Jeremy wrote: »

Tattooo wrote: »

I honestly would love to know how macros can help you in pvp.

Let me know

I don't see the merit in using them, especially since everything is bound to a GCD, so even if you enter two actions at the same time, only one will go off.

In respect to macros specifically, they can be used to attach automatic light attacks to all of your abilities. So you can flawlessly weave even while jumping through the air spinning. So it is an advantage if you use them smartly. They also be used to create burst you can unload after a stun and things like that.

I've used macros on other games (like WoW) and they help, trust me. There is a reason people use them. I'm not an expert on macros either. So there is no telling what some players can get their characters to do with the right software and automation. So I wouldn't underestimate the effect they can have.

This is an important thing to know (they can be used to attach automatic light attacks to all of your abilities) are you sure that is legal ?

Demalb16_ESO wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Tattooo wrote: »

I honestly would love to know how macros can help you in pvp.

Let me know

I don't see the merit in using them, especially since everything is bound to a GCD, so even if you enter two actions at the same time, only one will go off.

In respect to macros specifically, they can be used to attach automatic light attacks to all of your abilities. So you can flawlessly weave even while jumping through the air spinning. So it is an advantage if you use them smartly. They also be used to create burst you can unload after a stun and things like that.

I've used macros on other games (like WoW) and they help, trust me. There is a reason people use them. I'm not an expert on macros either. So there is no telling what some players can get their characters to do with the right software and automation. So I wouldn't underestimate the effect they can have.

This is an important thing to know (they can be used to attach automatic light attacks to all of your abilities) are you sure that is legal ?

Using an macro to add LA weave is not legal as I know, however you are extremely unlikely to be reported for it.
You can see it in pugs from time to time if people do staff LA then buffing themselves before the fight.
As for PvP, try block casting with it.

zaria wrote: »

Demalb16_ESO wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Tattooo wrote: »

I honestly would love to know how macros can help you in pvp.

Let me know

I don't see the merit in using them, especially since everything is bound to a GCD, so even if you enter two actions at the same time, only one will go off.

In respect to macros specifically, they can be used to attach automatic light attacks to all of your abilities. So you can flawlessly weave even while jumping through the air spinning. So it is an advantage if you use them smartly. They also be used to create burst you can unload after a stun and things like that.

I've used macros on other games (like WoW) and they help, trust me. There is a reason people use them. I'm not an expert on macros either. So there is no telling what some players can get their characters to do with the right software and automation. So I wouldn't underestimate the effect they can have.

This is an important thing to know (they can be used to attach automatic light attacks to all of your abilities) are you sure that is legal ?

Using an macro to add LA weave is not legal as I know, however you are extremely unlikely to be reported for it.
You can see it in pugs from time to time if people do staff LA then buffing themselves before the fight.
As for PvP, try block casting with it.

thanks for your answer, but "as I know" is the thing that bother me. This thing should be made CLEAR from the staff of ZOS, there should be NO POSSIBLE INTERPRETATION and it's not clear (at least for me). I don't paly a lot of pvp, I like it but i'm bad at it . The point is that as you can see some people says it's legal some other say it's not. Is there no ZOS guy who can halp close the discussion with certainty?

relentless_turnip wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Tattooo wrote: »

I honestly would love to know how macros can help you in pvp.

Let me know

I don't see the merit in using them, especially since everything is bound to a GCD, so even if you enter two actions at the same time, only one will go off.

In respect to macros specifically, they can be used to attach automatic light attacks to all of your abilities. So you can flawlessly weave even while flying through the air backwards. So it is an advantage if you use them smartly. They also be used to create burst you can unload after a stun and things like that.

I've used macros on other games (like WoW) and they help, trust me.

In wow they do help and were even allowed (at the time I played), but they were normally used to afk rotations or they coordinated with the swing timer to optimise DPS. In PvP I can't imagine them helping as the right skill is important in wow, but combinations are a lot slower. You are also limited by cast times and cooldowns, which limit you much further than ESOs GCD.

A macro couldn't be performed whilst being knocked back. It is just performing inputs you would normally press. They don't bypass game mechanics. I appreciate you probably didn't mean that literally, you probably just meant under distraction. All the same it doesn't accurately reflect the use of a macro.

You misunderstood me. I meant you can go up to a player and stun them - then hit a macro to unleash your burst on them. I didn't mean it was going to bypass a stun or knockback.

Burst Macros are a common use for macros and I think you underestimate how useful they can be. They can also be used to flawlessly weave as I said. I don't understand why you and others are so gung-*** to dismiss macros. Why is that? I mean if you don't use them and don't know of anyone who does use then why even get involved in the first place?

Given that basically the only thing I do in this game is PvP and have had many people accussing me of cheating using macros etc.... Just because I played better than them is tiresome.

I say I think the use of macros is greatly exaggerated because I believe it is. People get outplayed and they want any reason other than they aren't as good. I get killed and I can see on FTC how I died, if it was a well executed combination I do not assume it was a macro. As I and all the people I play with are capable of exactly the same thing without any form of automation.

Btw I do not mean to upset you with my opinion it is just I find that those making these accusations are the ones dying. Kristofer ESO and many others have done great videos over the years explaining how to do combinations. I found once I got the hang of weaving it came very naturally to me. I think if everyone was more willing to practice and get better they may not arrive at these conclusions. At the end of it all they are just excuses that slow down your own potential.

But I haven't accused you or anyone else in this thread of using macros. Nor has anyone else that I have seen in this thread. It's not that you have upset me (you haven't, so don't worry about that). I just don't understand where this defensive attitude comes from when ever a thread about macros is created. Or why people have to get involved and insist it's the people who talk about macros who are sore losers and what not. It feels almost as if people are trying to intimidate posters on here and keep them from talking about macros because they don't want to be accused of being a bad player just making excuses for their loss.

To put it a different way: if you don't think macro use is an issue and have never encountered it - then that's great - but why is it necessary to get involved and imply those of us who had different experiences are exaggerating or making excuses? That's what I don't get. Because I have been killed by a lot of players I have never accused of using macros. So just who are you talking about? Who is doing this?

Demalb16_ESO wrote: »

idk wrote: »

WiseSky wrote: »

Seriously if Using The Lazy Writs Addon is not cheating..

I don't really know what is...

I press "E" and it does everything at crafting stations.

Then I got to Merchant and press "E" and it sells everything I told it to sell ( Inventory Manager addon)

Then I press "E" at the bank and it deposits everything in own bank and guild bank ( BankMangerRevised Addon)

I am pretty sure there is an Addon that would save me the time to Press "E" but I Disabled it. I wanted my feeling of doing something

I just don't know how Console Peasants play this game...

The lazy writ add-on is a poor example for two reasons.

1. It's not combat so it does not provide an advantage over other players when in combat. This alone makes it very irrelevant to to subject.

2. Zos controls what is accessible via API while the macros we are speaking or are not using the API. Instead macros are third-party software Zos has explicitly state are against the API.

waht about the claim that you can use macro to attach LA to the skills ?

Demalb, you misunderstood me. When I said you can do this I meant only that it was possible to do. I didn't mean can in the sense that it was legal via the game rules.

Any macro that automates in-game functions is a violation of the rules.

Firstmep wrote: »

I think a lot of ppl mistake lag induced skill delays or skillful timed combos with macros.
Macros can't circumvent the global cooldown, so at best they're a catch up thing, since many ppl can already weave perfectly fine, or string attacks together.

Most cheats or exploits in eso don't come from 3rd party programs, but rather from abusing bugs, unfathomable...khm...khm...
There have been many cases in the past where certain sets provided their buffs even after they were de-equipped.

Thing is, most ppl don't like to come to the forums to outright explain exploits, as it's actually bannable.

It's possible lag may give the wrong impression. But if it's the same player consistently doing it over and over then lag becomes less and less a probability. And being able to automatically weave is still an unfair advantage - especially during mobile combat. The fact players are able to accomplish the same task manually doesn't change that. I've never understand this argument that because players are capable of doing something manually without the assistance of macros that somehow negates the advantage using macros to assist them doing it can bring.

Either way, if a person is not using macros then they have little to fear from players reporting them for using them. So I don't understand why this is such a concern or why there is always a battalion of posters that come to aid the cause when ever these threads pop up. Players who don't use macros don't need to worry about these kinds of threads. They are not a threat to them.

Demalb16_ESO wrote: »

Bergzorn wrote: »

I read "magcro" in the title and got very confused by the opening post (really took me a bit to figure it out). Should probably go to bed early today.

sorry about that I'll change it, I din't notice.
?_? i thought I wrote ir wrong

No, it was entirely my fault, I misread it.

To be honest, I wouldn't even have clicked it otherwise, since these threads about macros always play out the same. But someone imposing rules on what you are allowed to do on your magcro? That made me curious!

Demalb16_ESO wrote: »

This is an important thing to know (they can be used to attach automatic light attacks to all of your abilities) are you sure that is legal ?

Of course it is 'legal'. ZOS is a company, not the government. They do have householder's right on their servers though, and just like in RL when guests don't behave in your home, ZOS can (and will) kick you out of their servers when you use macros.

The question is whether they can detect it. Doing the same repetitive task for hours is a good indication, using a perfectly executed sophisticated rotation in a completely unfitting situation is another, but small things like automatically weaving in a light attack can't be separated from a player with well trained muscle memory. For ZOS to detect cheating here, they'd need to come dangerously close to cyber spying.

(One thing ESO actually does, is resetting any remapped keys when it starts. A bit annoying for those of us who just remap one key for another, but a clear statement that that kind of background software is not wanted. Ironically, that sneaky little change a while ago actually made me use Autohotkey for ESO to again disable the windows keys once the game has started.)


With all that said, the best way to prevent cheating for weaving would be making it useless: make animation cancelling not only cancel the animation but also the damage part of the ability, and nobody would feel a need to cheat here just to close a dexterity gap in a CRPG, while content can be easier balanced for both experienced players and new ones.

relentless_turnip wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Tattooo wrote: »

I honestly would love to know how macros can help you in pvp.

Let me know

I don't see the merit in using them, especially since everything is bound to a GCD, so even if you enter two actions at the same time, only one will go off.

In respect to macros specifically, they can be used to attach automatic light attacks to all of your abilities. So you can flawlessly weave even while flying through the air backwards. So it is an advantage if you use them smartly. They also be used to create burst you can unload after a stun and things like that.

I've used macros on other games (like WoW) and they help, trust me.

In wow they do help and were even allowed (at the time I played), but they were normally used to afk rotations or they coordinated with the swing timer to optimise DPS. In PvP I can't imagine them helping as the right skill is important in wow, but combinations are a lot slower. You are also limited by cast times and cooldowns, which limit you much further than ESOs GCD.

A macro couldn't be performed whilst being knocked back. It is just performing inputs you would normally press. They don't bypass game mechanics. I appreciate you probably didn't mean that literally, you probably just meant under distraction. All the same it doesn't accurately reflect the use of a macro.

You misunderstood me. I meant you can go up to a player and stun them - then hit a macro to unleash your burst on them. I didn't mean it was going to bypass a stun or knockback.

Burst Macros are a common use for macros and I think you underestimate how useful they can be. They can also be used to flawlessly weave as I said. I don't understand why you and others are so gung-*** to dismiss macros. Why is that? I mean if you don't use them and don't know of anyone who does use then why even get involved in the first place?

Given that basically the only thing I do in this game is PvP and have had many people accussing me of cheating using macros etc.... Just because I played better than them is tiresome.

I say I think the use of macros is greatly exaggerated because I believe it is. People get outplayed and they want any reason other than they aren't as good. I get killed and I can see on FTC how I died, if it was a well executed combination I do not assume it was a macro. As I and all the people I play with are capable of exactly the same thing without any form of automation.

Btw I do not mean to upset you with my opinion it is just I find that those making these accusations are the ones dying. Kristofer ESO and many others have done great videos over the years explaining how to do combinations. I found once I got the hang of weaving it came very naturally to me. I think if everyone was more willing to practice and get better they may not arrive at these conclusions. At the end of it all they are just excuses that slow down your own potential.

But I haven't accused you or anyone else in this thread of using macros. Nor has anyone else that I have seen in this thread. It's not that you have upset me (you haven't, so don't worry about that). I just don't understand where this defensive attitude comes from when ever a thread about macros is created. Or why people have to get involved and insist it's the people who talk about macros who are sore losers and what not. It feels almost as if people are trying to intimidate posters on here and keep them from talking about macros because they don't want to be accused of being a bad player just making excuses for their loss.

To put it a different way: if you don't think macro use is an issue and have never encountered it - then that's great - but why is it necessary to get involved and imply those of us who had different experiences are exaggerating or making excuses? That's what I don't get. Because I have been killed by a lot of players I have never accused of using macros. So just who are you talking about? Who is doing this?

I'm glad I haven't offended you and you should know I am also not offended I understand where you're coming from.

I simply want to discourage a culture that puts their loses down to their opponent cheating. Which I see more often than legitimate cheating via macros or what ever. As I said I have never witnessed someone cheating or at least not in a way I could distinguish from someone playing well. So when I say it's exaggerated I mean exactly that. More often than not when you lose you lost because your opponent beat you.

I don't feel defensive about the discussion just the spread of this idea that everyone is cheating. The more often it is said the less people own their losses and actually try to get better at the game. It also encourages a negative culture in game where myself and many others are acussed of cheating everytime they play well.

I appreciate you feel I am needlessly getting involved, but imo incidents where someone is cheating and you are sure of it. It should simply be reported to the developers and not discussed any further.

Who has said everyone is cheating?

Who has accused you or anyone else in this thread of using macros?

Where is this "culture" you are talking about? And why do you object to people on the forums discussing the use of macros? You saying things like that just confirms my earlier suspicion that this is an effort to shut down the conversation. Which always happens when the topic of macro use comes up. Why not just let people share their experiences with cheaters or suspected cheaters without assuming they're sore losers making excuses for their loss? Because that's just as bad as assuming the other way.

Cheating happens and some people do use macros - especially those players who pretend to be gods owning every match they're in as was mentioned here. I've had experiences with players like that myself, and they were indeed cheating because their account got banned. Are you saying that isn't true - and that no one in ESO uses macros or cheats? Because it does, trust me. You're just lucky you've never encountered it, because it is quite annoying.

I have a question would something like the Razer Tartarus having the corner of the d-pad/thumbstick mapped as w+a, w+d, etc. be considered a macro?

Fata1moose wrote: »

I have a question would something like the Razer Tartarus having the corner of the d-pad/thumbstick mapped as w+a, w+d, etc. be considered a macro?

Technically a macro is a more or less simple program that emulates key presses. Whether writting an actual program for software that runs in the background or "training" hardware like a mouse or keypad, by typing the keys you want to have repeated, in the end you push one button and the macro automatically puts out several key presses. An example for a simple macro would be Ctrl+B while writing a post here in the forums: you press it and it automatically inserts the codes to bolden the selected text.

A variant is remapping the keys. Let's say you want to use the cursor keys to move in games, you can either change the keyboard preferences in every game or simply remap the cursor keys to WASD. This is what your Razer keypad is doing, you simply tell it what keys to press when moving the Joystick. It's perfectly fine as long as every key you press physically results in only one keypress being sent to the game.

Firstmep wrote: »

I think a lot of ppl mistake lag induced skill delays or skillful timed combos with macros.
Macros can't circumvent the global cooldown, so at best they're a catch up thing, since many ppl can already weave perfectly fine, or string attacks together.

Most cheats or exploits in eso don't come from 3rd party programs, but rather from abusing bugs, unfathomable...khm...khm...
There have been many cases in the past where certain sets provided their buffs even after they were de-equipped.

Thing is, most ppl don't like to come to the forums to outright explain exploits, as it's actually bannable.

This. Ingame bug exploits are far worse than any simplistic macro could ever be. And compared to what was, and potentially still is possible in the game, the unfathomable bug exploit seems like a rather tame one. Word gets around in the small scale community and I know of some pretty renown players that at least at some point in the past abused the *** out of bugs.