Rules about the use of macro

Demalb16_ESO

Hello, I play from the beginning and I was under the impression that you could not use macros under any circumstance.
I had a conversation with other people and someone said to me that people use macro in PVP while some others said that macro are allowed if you have the right hardware: using macro that depend on software is cause of ban while using dedicated periferals like razer gamepad and some high level keyboard with dedicated key is not illegal. I heard that there are even keyboard with software that change sligtly the timing between the different key of the macro to avoid detection.
I never used macro but I need some clarity on the subject: what are the limitation?
Thanks

tmbrinks

Macros of any type, if detected, are against the ToS, and could lead to your account being banned.

Yes, there is software that can make it "appear" to not be a macro, but you're playing with fire (and your account).

L_Nici

Macros are against the rules, if you can confirm someone is using macros, don't hesitate to report it.

You can maybe say that the use of Macros is not as bad in PvE since you only hit NPCs, but in PvP Macros are extremely unfair and will almost always guarantee you a win. But only because they are not as bad doesn't make them legal.

About Keyboard Macros, They don't really work with skills, since they basically are a very fast sending of combinations. The server will only register the very first one, and if you are unlucky will kick you for to fast sending of messages. In Chats you can use Keyboard Macros for texts, thats not really illegal, since you won't get an unfair advantage with it.

Jeremy

Demalb16_ESO wrote: »

Hello, I play from the beginning and I was under the impression that you could not use macros under any circumstance.
I had a conversation with other people and someone said to me that people use macro in PVP while some others said that macro are allowed if you have the right hardware: using macro that depend on software is cause of ban while using dedicated periferals like razer gamepad and some high level keyboard with dedicated key is not illegal. I heard that there are even keyboard with software that change sligtly the timing between the different key of the macro to avoid detection.
I never used macro but I need some clarity on the subject: what are the limitation?
Thanks

I had a discussion about this awhile back. You can use the hardware but creating macros to automate in-game functions is a violation. So you can use the Razer Gamepads and fancy keyboards, but if you use them to make macros then you're violating the rules.

Do a lot of people still do it? Yeah. But it's suppose to be against the rules. What I do now is just report people who seem to be performing at an abnormal level so ZoS can take a look at them to see if they're using macros. I've already gotten a few people I'm happy to say - one in particular who was really macroing his butt off.

DTStormfox

From the TOS:

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You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your access to or receipt, play or use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of ‘bots’, “speed hacks”, “deep-link”, “page-scrape”, “robot”, “spider”, algorithm or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services

L_Nici

@Jeremy Yes they are still used very frequent, especially by that self proclaimed "God" PvP players. They are the ones that beat entire zergs to the ground without a scratch and then flame how bad the players are.

Its very fun to see them come and go, and sometimes appearing with new accounts, just to do the same again. There are some names I could drop now, but sadly thats against the forum rules.

Jierdanit

I dont think i have ever seen anyone use a macro in PvP.

The players who accuse others of using macros mostly just dont understand how someone killed them in PvP and accuse them of using macros because they either dont know about stuff like animation cancelling / weaving or because the lag made them get hit by several skills at once.

I am not really sure if theyre allowed or not, but I can tell you that due to the global cooldown theyre (at least in PvP) going to be pretty much useless anyways as you can do everything you can do with macros pretty easily without using them, so i see no reason to use a macro if youd risk getting banned for that instead pf spending 20 - 30 min learning how to weave and animation cancel.

Jeremy

L_Nici wrote: »

@Jeremy Yes they are still used very frequent, especially by that self proclaimed "God" PvP players. They are the ones that beat entire zergs to the ground without a scratch and then flame how bad the players are.

Its very fun to see them come and go, and sometimes appearing with new accounts, just to do the same again. There are some names I could drop now, but sadly thats against the forum rules.

Yeah I could give a few names too. haha

One name I had reported in particular I was especially glad they got. Because he was exactly the kind of player you describing. He'd use macros and who knows what else to cheat and them flame players afterwards with obnoxious tells. Then I saw him just the other day in fact starting all over on a new account. I view my contribution to getting that player banned as probably the best thing I've done on this game.

So if you or anyone else for that matter suspect someone may be using macros please report them. ZoS actually does look into it.

nuttytom

L_Nici wrote: »

@Jeremy Yes they are still used very frequent, especially by that self proclaimed "God" PvP players. They are the ones that beat entire zergs to the ground without a scratch and then flame how bad the players are.

Its very fun to see them come and go, and sometimes appearing with new accounts, just to do the same again. There are some names I could drop now, but sadly thats against the forum rules.

This literally doesn’t happen

relentless_turnip

I believe the use of macros in PvP is highly exaggerated. Anyone that plays at even an above average level can tell you that combinations are adapted on the fly and are reactive to your opponents position, health, if they have cc immunity, if they have ulti etc...

I wouldn't recommend using them in anyway and in PvP it will just slow your progression.

relentless_turnip

nuttytom wrote: »

L_Nici wrote: »

@Jeremy Yes they are still used very frequent, especially by that self proclaimed "God" PvP players. They are the ones that beat entire zergs to the ground without a scratch and then flame how bad the players are.

Its very fun to see them come and go, and sometimes appearing with new accounts, just to do the same again. There are some names I could drop now, but sadly thats against the forum rules.

This literally doesn’t happen

I agree, sounds like sodium rich words to me.

Zorgon_The_Revenged

The game has it's own macro system in PvP. I often input a few keys for the game to use later, anywhere from 10 seconds to a minute later.......when the lag spike ends and the game decides to respond

Jeremy

nuttytom wrote: »

L_Nici wrote: »

@Jeremy Yes they are still used very frequent, especially by that self proclaimed "God" PvP players. They are the ones that beat entire zergs to the ground without a scratch and then flame how bad the players are.

Its very fun to see them come and go, and sometimes appearing with new accounts, just to do the same again. There are some names I could drop now, but sadly thats against the forum rules.

This literally doesn’t happen

It happens.

Just count yourself lucky you've never encountered it. There was one player in particular who literally described himself as a God and would own every match. Luckily they finally got him because he was obviously cheating.

relentless_turnip

Jeremy wrote: »

nuttytom wrote: »

L_Nici wrote: »

@Jeremy Yes they are still used very frequent, especially by that self proclaimed "God" PvP players. They are the ones that beat entire zergs to the ground without a scratch and then flame how bad the players are.

Its very fun to see them come and go, and sometimes appearing with new accounts, just to do the same again. There are some names I could drop now, but sadly thats against the forum rules.

This literally doesn’t happen

It happens.

Just count yourself lucky you've never encountered it. There was one player in particular who literally described himself as a God and would own every match. Luckily they finally got him because he was obviously cheating.

I have known of cheat sites, of which the results are very obvious. Flying, sinking through the floor etc...

I have never fought or played with anyone I believe to be using macros, as I stated above it would be detrimental to a good player. What may I ask made it obvious this person was cheating?

Jeremy

relentless_turnip wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

nuttytom wrote: »

L_Nici wrote: »

@Jeremy Yes they are still used very frequent, especially by that self proclaimed "God" PvP players. They are the ones that beat entire zergs to the ground without a scratch and then flame how bad the players are.

Its very fun to see them come and go, and sometimes appearing with new accounts, just to do the same again. There are some names I could drop now, but sadly thats against the forum rules.

This literally doesn’t happen

It happens.

Just count yourself lucky you've never encountered it. There was one player in particular who literally described himself as a God and would own every match. Luckily they finally got him because he was obviously cheating.

I have known of cheat sites, of which the results are very obvious. Flying, sinking through the floor etc...

I have never fought or played with anyone I believe to be using macros, as I stated above it would be detrimental to a good player. What may I ask made it obvious this person was cheating?

Beating entire zergs into the ground without a scratch was a pretty good description as L-Nici put it. If something seems too good to be true, then it probably is. That same logic applies here. The guy was unkillable and would win every match he was in while boasting of his Godhood. So if you see a certain player like this performing way above what you are used to seeing and completely dominating every match they are in, please report them. Odds are they are cheating their ___ off.

Tattooo

I honestly would love to know how macros can help you in pvp.

Let me know

I don't see the merit in using them, especially since everything is bound to a GCD, so even if you enter two actions at the same time, only one will go off.

Jeremy

Tattooo wrote: »

I honestly would love to know how macros can help you in pvp.

Let me know

I don't see the merit in using them, especially since everything is bound to a GCD, so even if you enter two actions at the same time, only one will go off.

In respect to macros specifically, they can be used to attach automatic light attacks to all of your abilities. So you can flawlessly weave even while jumping through the air spinning. So it is an advantage if you use them smartly. They also be used to create burst you can unload after a stun and things like that.

I've used macros on other games (like WoW) and they help, trust me. There is a reason people use them. I'm not an expert on macros either. So there is no telling what some players can get their characters to do with the right software and automation. So I wouldn't underestimate the effect they can have.

alainjbrennanb16_ESO

Tattooo wrote: »

I honestly would love to know how macros can help you in pvp.

Let me know

I don't see the merit in using them, especially since everything is bound to a GCD, so even if you enter two actions at the same time, only one will go off.

saying how they would help would meaning explaining how to do them which is a nono

Grimlok_S

Macrospeedhacks are cheet. enjoy u ban!

For real though, I have never been able to tell what advantage any person could gain in PvP from using a macro.. You can't override the GCD.. Queuing abilities in a set order is just as likely to get you killed - you never know when you're going to catch a surprise burst and need your heal.. dodge roll etc. That would be bad if you still have 2-3 GCDs worth of macro'd abilities to get through.

Anyone who has ever made these types of accusations against me has just come off as generally unaware of what a macro actually is.

ALSO just regarding lag in general, I'm having a really hard time believing a macro could even work in this game. I regularly have to hit my abilities a few times before the game responds. A macro with timed inputs to cut as close as possible to the GCD might work on a training dummy in a small, low lag housing area.. but anyone who has played more than 15 minutes in Cyrodiil will understand where I'm coming from.

If I'm missing the mark, can anyone provide a use-case where a set script of inputs could actually be beneficial to a player?

EDIT: Removed unnecessary spacing

Yellow_Monolith

Jeremy wrote: »

nuttytom wrote: »

L_Nici wrote: »

@Jeremy Yes they are still used very frequent, especially by that self proclaimed "God" PvP players. They are the ones that beat entire zergs to the ground without a scratch and then flame how bad the players are.

Its very fun to see them come and go, and sometimes appearing with new accounts, just to do the same again. There are some names I could drop now, but sadly thats against the forum rules.

This literally doesn’t happen

It happens.

Just count yourself lucky you've never encountered it. There was one player in particular who literally described himself as a God and would own every match. Luckily they finally got him because he was obviously cheating.

Yep, I've seen it myself before. A magsorc that I can't name able to light attack and such facing away from me and doing a perfect rotation of skills in the exact same order everytime. Always able to keep shields, stuns etc. but I encountered them on a magblade 1v1 in the middle of a field in pvp and they ran from me because they knew they couldn't beat me then. This person has also been banned before and appears on new accounts every so often.

Bergzorn

I read "magcro" in the title and got very confused by the opening post (really took me a bit to figure it out). Should probably go to bed early today.

Tattooo

Jeremy wrote: »

Tattooo wrote: »

I honestly would love to know how macros can help you in pvp.

Let me know

I don't see the merit in using them, especially since everything is bound to a GCD, so even if you enter two actions at the same time, only one will go off.

In respect to macros specifically, they can be used to attach automatic light attacks to all of your abilities. So you can flawlessly weave even while jumping through the air spinning. So it is an advantage if you use them smartly. They also be used to create burst you can unload after a stun and things like that.

I've used macros on other games (like WoW) and they help, trust me. There is a reason people use them.

or you could also just use the hands that god has given you, instead of saying that it is tied to using macros

relentless_turnip

Jeremy wrote: »

Tattooo wrote: »

I honestly would love to know how macros can help you in pvp.

Let me know

I don't see the merit in using them, especially since everything is bound to a GCD, so even if you enter two actions at the same time, only one will go off.

In respect to macros specifically, they can be used to attach automatic light attacks to all of your abilities. So you can flawlessly weave even while flying through the air backwards. So it is an advantage if you use them smartly. They also be used to create burst you can unload after a stun and things like that.

I've used macros on other games (like WoW) and they help, trust me.

In wow they do help and were even allowed (at the time I played), but they were normally used to afk rotations or they coordinated with the swing timer to optimise DPS. In PvP I can't imagine them helping as the right skill is important in wow, but combinations are a lot slower. You are also limited by cast times and cooldowns, which limit you much further than ESOs GCD.

A macro couldn't be performed whilst being knocked back. It is just performing inputs you would normally press. They don't bypass game mechanics. I appreciate you probably didn't mean that literally, you probably just meant under distraction. All the same it doesn't accurately reflect the use of a macro.

Jeremy

Tattooo wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Tattooo wrote: »

I honestly would love to know how macros can help you in pvp.

Let me know

I don't see the merit in using them, especially since everything is bound to a GCD, so even if you enter two actions at the same time, only one will go off.

In respect to macros specifically, they can be used to attach automatic light attacks to all of your abilities. So you can flawlessly weave even while jumping through the air spinning. So it is an advantage if you use them smartly. They also be used to create burst you can unload after a stun and things like that.

I've used macros on other games (like WoW) and they help, trust me. There is a reason people use them.

or you could also just use the hands that god has given you, instead of saying that it is tied to using macros

You can and should use your hand. Not everyone does though. Some use macros instead. And good luck competing manually with automated attacks. You're going to need it.

Jeremy

relentless_turnip wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Tattooo wrote: »

I honestly would love to know how macros can help you in pvp.

Let me know

I don't see the merit in using them, especially since everything is bound to a GCD, so even if you enter two actions at the same time, only one will go off.

In respect to macros specifically, they can be used to attach automatic light attacks to all of your abilities. So you can flawlessly weave even while flying through the air backwards. So it is an advantage if you use them smartly. They also be used to create burst you can unload after a stun and things like that.

I've used macros on other games (like WoW) and they help, trust me.

In wow they do help and were even allowed (at the time I played), but they were normally used to afk rotations or they coordinated with the swing timer to optimise DPS. In PvP I can't imagine them helping as the right skill is important in wow, but combinations are a lot slower. You are also limited by cast times and cooldowns, which limit you much further than ESOs GCD.

A macro couldn't be performed whilst being knocked back. It is just performing inputs you would normally press. They don't bypass game mechanics. I appreciate you probably didn't mean that literally, you probably just meant under distraction. All the same it doesn't accurately reflect the use of a macro.

You misunderstood me. I meant you can go up to a player and stun them - then hit a macro to unleash your burst on them. I didn't mean it was going to bypass a stun or knockback.

Burst Macros are a common use for macros and I think you underestimate how useful they can be. They can also be used to flawlessly weave as I said. I don't understand why you and others are so gung-*** to dismiss macros. Why is that? I mean if you don't use them and don't know of anyone who does use then why even get involved in the first place?

nuttytom

Jeremy wrote: »

Tattooo wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Tattooo wrote: »

I honestly would love to know how macros can help you in pvp.

Let me know

I don't see the merit in using them, especially since everything is bound to a GCD, so even if you enter two actions at the same time, only one will go off.

In respect to macros specifically, they can be used to attach automatic light attacks to all of your abilities. So you can flawlessly weave even while jumping through the air spinning. So it is an advantage if you use them smartly. They also be used to create burst you can unload after a stun and things like that.

I've used macros on other games (like WoW) and they help, trust me. There is a reason people use them.

or you could also just use the hands that god has given you, instead of saying that it is tied to using macros

You can and should use your hand. Not everyone does though. Some use macros instead. And good luck competing manually with automated attacks. You're going to need it.

It’s not hard tho lol, it’s literally better to just use your hands as tattooo said, macros don’t help in this game (pvp)

Jeremy

nuttytom wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Tattooo wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Tattooo wrote: »

I honestly would love to know how macros can help you in pvp.

Let me know

I don't see the merit in using them, especially since everything is bound to a GCD, so even if you enter two actions at the same time, only one will go off.

In respect to macros specifically, they can be used to attach automatic light attacks to all of your abilities. So you can flawlessly weave even while jumping through the air spinning. So it is an advantage if you use them smartly. They also be used to create burst you can unload after a stun and things like that.

I've used macros on other games (like WoW) and they help, trust me. There is a reason people use them.

or you could also just use the hands that god has given you, instead of saying that it is tied to using macros

You can and should use your hand. Not everyone does though. Some use macros instead. And good luck competing manually with automated attacks. You're going to need it.

It’s not hard tho lol, it’s literally better to just use your hands as tattooo said, macros don’t help in this game (pvp)

How is it going to be better if you use your hands? A macro is going to weave flawlessly every time you hit it with less effort. So you can just fire off your abilities and weave automatically. So I don't understand your argument.

Tattooo

Jeremy wrote: »

nuttytom wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Tattooo wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Tattooo wrote: »

I honestly would love to know how macros can help you in pvp.

Let me know

I don't see the merit in using them, especially since everything is bound to a GCD, so even if you enter two actions at the same time, only one will go off.

In respect to macros specifically, they can be used to attach automatic light attacks to all of your abilities. So you can flawlessly weave even while jumping through the air spinning. So it is an advantage if you use them smartly. They also be used to create burst you can unload after a stun and things like that.

I've used macros on other games (like WoW) and they help, trust me. There is a reason people use them.

or you could also just use the hands that god has given you, instead of saying that it is tied to using macros

You can and should use your hand. Not everyone does though. Some use macros instead. And good luck competing manually with automated attacks. You're going to need it.

It’s not hard tho lol, it’s literally better to just use your hands as tattooo said, macros don’t help in this game (pvp)

How is it going to be better if you use your hands? A macro is going to weave flawlessly every time you hit it with less effort. So you can just fire off your abilities and weave automatically. So I don't understand your argument.

the whole point is that, everyone who does it flawlessly without macros still gets accused of using macros, even tho u can't pull it off with macros, because everything is tied to a gcd making macros useless.

The only instance of macros being useful was back in pve, to get synergies.

Jeremy

Tattooo wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

nuttytom wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Tattooo wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Tattooo wrote: »

I honestly would love to know how macros can help you in pvp.

Let me know

I don't see the merit in using them, especially since everything is bound to a GCD, so even if you enter two actions at the same time, only one will go off.

In respect to macros specifically, they can be used to attach automatic light attacks to all of your abilities. So you can flawlessly weave even while jumping through the air spinning. So it is an advantage if you use them smartly. They also be used to create burst you can unload after a stun and things like that.

I've used macros on other games (like WoW) and they help, trust me. There is a reason people use them.

or you could also just use the hands that god has given you, instead of saying that it is tied to using macros

You can and should use your hand. Not everyone does though. Some use macros instead. And good luck competing manually with automated attacks. You're going to need it.

It’s not hard tho lol, it’s literally better to just use your hands as tattooo said, macros don’t help in this game (pvp)

How is it going to be better if you use your hands? A macro is going to weave flawlessly every time you hit it with less effort. So you can just fire off your abilities and weave automatically. So I don't understand your argument.

the whole point is that, everyone who does it flawlessly without macros still gets accused of using macros, even tho u can't pull it off with macros, because everything is tied to a gcd making macros useless.

The only instance of macros being useful was back in pve, to get synergies.

I haven't accused you or anyone else in this thread of using macros. So there is no logical reason for you to be defensive about it.

It's just undeniable that there is an advantage to being able to weave automatically while firing off your abilities when compared to having to manually do it. That's simply common sense.

There is a reason they are against the rules, Tattooo. Because they give players an unfair advantage over others.

Tattooo

What I've been saying is that your argument is flawed, since it does not work because of GCD!!!!!!!!!
If inputs were still client based, then yes macros would work, probably.
But it has been server side for about a year now, that's why everything in pvp and pve is delayed and positional dsynced.

Jeremy

Tattooo wrote: »

What I've been saying is that your argument is flawed, since it does not work because of GCD!!!!!!!!!
If inputs were still client based, then yes macros would work, probably.
But it has been server side for about a year now, that's why everything in pvp and pve is delayed and positional dsynced.

What does the global cool down have to do with this?

In this specific example I am talking about a player who uses macros to automatically weave. That gives them an advantage, because they don't have to worry about doing it manually.