Rules about the use of macro

Ackwalan

Meet a WW today that used a macro to spam light attacks. It was obvious since he never used any other attacks, not even heavy attacks. His light attacks were consistent and constant. Since the WW light attacks have a bleed affect , don't use stam, and you are still able to move around unimpeded while it is going, he just ran around swinging. Even when no one was close to being in range, he just kept on swinging at a predictable tempo that would make any drummer envious. Of course some will just claim it was all muscle memory.

Sanctum74

Light attacks are on a cooldown too, Its not too hard to spam 1 button. Nobody would use a macro for 1 action. Try to figure out what you could have done better instead of wrongfully accusing people of cheating.

Ackwalan

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Light attacks are on a cooldown too, Its not too hard to spam 1 button. Nobody would use a macro for 1 action. Try to figure out what you could have done better instead of wrongfully accusing people of cheating.

Well of course, now I understand, you have completely changed my mind.

Iarao

Buddy_Cactus wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

nuttytom wrote: »

L_Nici wrote: »

@Jeremy Yes they are still used very frequent, especially by that self proclaimed "God" PvP players. They are the ones that beat entire zergs to the ground without a scratch and then flame how bad the players are.

Its very fun to see them come and go, and sometimes appearing with new accounts, just to do the same again. There are some names I could drop now, but sadly thats against the forum rules.

This literally doesn’t happen

It happens.

Just count yourself lucky you've never encountered it. There was one player in particular who literally described himself as a God and would own every match. Luckily they finally got him because he was obviously cheating.

Yep, I've seen it myself before. A magsorc that I can't name able to light attack and such facing away from me and doing a perfect rotation of skills in the exact same order everytime. Always able to keep shields, stuns etc. but I encountered them on a magblade 1v1 in the middle of a field in pvp and they ran from me because they knew they couldn't beat me then. This person has also been banned before and appears on new accounts every so often.

how do you determine that someone is back on another acct? even if same name, could be someone different.

Glurin

@relentless_turnip It's not about predicting every possible eventuality and creating a macro to handle them all. Macros cover general sequences of commands. So for example, if you like having two particular buffs going, you can put those on your back bar and have a macro that swaps the bar, applies the buffs and swaps back. You don't have to worry about pressing several keys in the proper order with the proper timing because that's all done for you, which means you've opened up more opportunities to use it with pretty much no chance of screwing it up.

Then there's this:

Offensively (your example) you fire a skill dodge roll to the left... You roll behind some terrain the rest of you combo is Los'd by your second movement. Do we make a macro to roll right too? Or is it far simpler to fire a skill and dodge roll reactively and complete the combo? That combo also can't be predetermined. You may have a full offensive combo in mind or rehearsed, but what if your opponent is at half health? You are better to change your combo and try to kill them, drop your ult earlier, execute etc... You might want to save your stun for the right moment. What if you start your combo and you get knocked to half health? You might want to use your stun defensively, you might want to hit vigor and stay on the offensive. How do we predetermine every possible outcome? How can we plan for total ambiguity?

You again display an incorrect understanding of what macros are. They do not take over combat for you and generally aren't meant for you to just stand still and spam it. They just fire off a short set of commands and are not intended to predict every possible outcome. They basically just combine several attacks into a brand new one that is a combination of the others.

You dodge behind a tree. So what? The second attack just fails. Your opponent is at half health. And? Use an attack macro or spam your execute or hit your ultimate. Whatever you think needs doing. Just because you're using macros doesn't mean each and every action you take has to be part of one.

I understand what a macro is.

Clearly you do not. You keep demanding evidence that a particular person is using macros. I've told you multiple times now that it doesn't work that way. It is very difficult to prove an individual is using macros. But it is very easy to show that macros exist and people use them. Just google gaming keyboards and you'll find thousands of them for sale with "macro buttons" as one of the big selling points.

Glurin

Ackwalan wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Light attacks are on a cooldown too, Its not too hard to spam 1 button. Nobody would use a macro for 1 action. Try to figure out what you could have done better instead of wrongfully accusing people of cheating.

Well of course, now I understand, you have completely changed my mind.

He's got a point. A macro that just spams LA is not particularly useful. At best a macro like that would only be good for those clicker games where you win by destroying your mouse clicking on something nine thousand times as fast as you possibly can.

Ackwalan

Glurin wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Light attacks are on a cooldown too, Its not too hard to spam 1 button. Nobody would use a macro for 1 action. Try to figure out what you could have done better instead of wrongfully accusing people of cheating.

Well of course, now I understand, you have completely changed my mind.

He's got a point. A macro that just spams LA is not particularly useful. At best a macro like that would only be good for those clicker games where you win by destroying your mouse clicking on something nine thousand times as fast as you possibly can.

Never said he was OP while doing it. People that got CC'd or bad lag spikes had problems, but getting out of range worked to defeat him.

Iarao

WiseSky wrote: »

Seriously if Using The Lazy Writs Addon is not cheating..

I don't really know what is...

I press "E" and it does everything at crafting stations.

Then I got to Merchant and press "E" and it sells everything I told it to sell ( Inventory Manager addon)

Then I press "E" at the bank and it deposits everything in own bank and guild bank ( BankMangerRevised Addon)

I am pretty sure there is an Addon that would save me the time to Press "E" but I Disabled it. I wanted my feeling of doing something

I just don't know how Console Peasants play this game...

lol. they play it like it was meant to be played: grind grind grind

Iarao

Bergzorn wrote: »

Demalb16_ESO wrote: »

Bergzorn wrote: »

I read "magcro" in the title and got very confused by the opening post (really took me a bit to figure it out). Should probably go to bed early today.

sorry about that I'll change it, I din't notice.
?_? i thought I wrote ir wrong

No, it was entirely my fault, I misread it.

To be honest, I wouldn't even have clicked it otherwise, since these threads about macros always play out the same. But someone imposing rules on what you are allowed to do on your magcro? That made me curious!

uhm well, there are rules, sort of. just do a tiny conjure in town and see what happens! just a tiny one. tiny tiny.

Iarao

Waylander07 wrote: »

I may be a below average player but I have worked hard to get to that level without the need to cheat.

LOL icsr.

relentless_turnip

Glurin wrote: »

@relentless_turnip It's not about predicting every possible eventuality and creating a macro to handle them all. Macros cover general sequences of commands. So for example, if you like having two particular buffs going, you can put those on your back bar and have a macro that swaps the bar, applies the buffs and swaps back. You don't have to worry about pressing several keys in the proper order with the proper timing because that's all done for you, which means you've opened up more opportunities to use it with pretty much no chance of screwing it up.

Then there's this:

Offensively (your example) you fire a skill dodge roll to the left... You roll behind some terrain the rest of you combo is Los'd by your second movement. Do we make a macro to roll right too? Or is it far simpler to fire a skill and dodge roll reactively and complete the combo? That combo also can't be predetermined. You may have a full offensive combo in mind or rehearsed, but what if your opponent is at half health? You are better to change your combo and try to kill them, drop your ult earlier, execute etc... You might want to save your stun for the right moment. What if you start your combo and you get knocked to half health? You might want to use your stun defensively, you might want to hit vigor and stay on the offensive. How do we predetermine every possible outcome? How can we plan for total ambiguity?

You again display an incorrect understanding of what macros are. They do not take over combat for you and generally aren't meant for you to just stand still and spam it. They just fire off a short set of commands and are not intended to predict every possible outcome. They basically just combine several attacks into a brand new one that is a combination of the others.

You dodge behind a tree. So what? The second attack just fails. Your opponent is at half health. And? Use an attack macro or spam your execute or hit your ultimate. Whatever you think needs doing. Just because you're using macros doesn't mean each and every action you take has to be part of one.

I understand what a macro is.

Clearly you do not. You keep demanding evidence that a particular person is using macros. I've told you multiple times now that it doesn't work that way. It is very difficult to prove an individual is using macros. But it is very easy to show that macros exist and people use them. Just google gaming keyboards and you'll find thousands of them for sale with "macro buttons" as one of the big selling points.

@Glurin
You described it as taking over combat for you and yes I know what a macro is... I am pointing out the flawed logic in it completing any sequence for you. So far you haven't described a situation where it would help.

I am not demanding evidence I am pointing out the complete lack of it...
The fact you can buy hardware that would make it possible is not evidence of any single individual using macros in ESO. Only that it is possible. Where is the evidence it happens or has ever happened? By that logic we are all guilty for owning a computer...

Edit:
Also any sequence a macro starts cannot be interupted. You could use priority actions such as block or dodge to stop elements of it. Essentially those buttons you pre programmed would continue to play out regardless though... Do you just hold block until it's over? You wouldn't even be able to stop and heal if you wanted as the macro would interrupt any other action you wanted to do.

Glurin

relentless_turnip wrote: »

Glurin wrote: »

@relentless_turnip It's not about predicting every possible eventuality and creating a macro to handle them all. Macros cover general sequences of commands. So for example, if you like having two particular buffs going, you can put those on your back bar and have a macro that swaps the bar, applies the buffs and swaps back. You don't have to worry about pressing several keys in the proper order with the proper timing because that's all done for you, which means you've opened up more opportunities to use it with pretty much no chance of screwing it up.

Then there's this:

Offensively (your example) you fire a skill dodge roll to the left... You roll behind some terrain the rest of you combo is Los'd by your second movement. Do we make a macro to roll right too? Or is it far simpler to fire a skill and dodge roll reactively and complete the combo? That combo also can't be predetermined. You may have a full offensive combo in mind or rehearsed, but what if your opponent is at half health? You are better to change your combo and try to kill them, drop your ult earlier, execute etc... You might want to save your stun for the right moment. What if you start your combo and you get knocked to half health? You might want to use your stun defensively, you might want to hit vigor and stay on the offensive. How do we predetermine every possible outcome? How can we plan for total ambiguity?

You again display an incorrect understanding of what macros are. They do not take over combat for you and generally aren't meant for you to just stand still and spam it. They just fire off a short set of commands and are not intended to predict every possible outcome. They basically just combine several attacks into a brand new one that is a combination of the others.

You dodge behind a tree. So what? The second attack just fails. Your opponent is at half health. And? Use an attack macro or spam your execute or hit your ultimate. Whatever you think needs doing. Just because you're using macros doesn't mean each and every action you take has to be part of one.

I understand what a macro is.

Clearly you do not. You keep demanding evidence that a particular person is using macros. I've told you multiple times now that it doesn't work that way. It is very difficult to prove an individual is using macros. But it is very easy to show that macros exist and people use them. Just google gaming keyboards and you'll find thousands of them for sale with "macro buttons" as one of the big selling points.

@Glurin
You described it as taking over combat

No, I don't believe I did. As a matter of fact, I believe I made that point crystal clear right from the get go. Repeatedly. Unfortunately you seem to be stuck in an all or nothing mindset and I'm not sure at this point that anything will break you out of it.

relentless_turnip

Glurin wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

Glurin wrote: »

@relentless_turnip It's not about predicting every possible eventuality and creating a macro to handle them all. Macros cover general sequences of commands. So for example, if you like having two particular buffs going, you can put those on your back bar and have a macro that swaps the bar, applies the buffs and swaps back. You don't have to worry about pressing several keys in the proper order with the proper timing because that's all done for you, which means you've opened up more opportunities to use it with pretty much no chance of screwing it up.

Then there's this:

Offensively (your example) you fire a skill dodge roll to the left... You roll behind some terrain the rest of you combo is Los'd by your second movement. Do we make a macro to roll right too? Or is it far simpler to fire a skill and dodge roll reactively and complete the combo? That combo also can't be predetermined. You may have a full offensive combo in mind or rehearsed, but what if your opponent is at half health? You are better to change your combo and try to kill them, drop your ult earlier, execute etc... You might want to save your stun for the right moment. What if you start your combo and you get knocked to half health? You might want to use your stun defensively, you might want to hit vigor and stay on the offensive. How do we predetermine every possible outcome? How can we plan for total ambiguity?

You again display an incorrect understanding of what macros are. They do not take over combat for you and generally aren't meant for you to just stand still and spam it. They just fire off a short set of commands and are not intended to predict every possible outcome. They basically just combine several attacks into a brand new one that is a combination of the others.

You dodge behind a tree. So what? The second attack just fails. Your opponent is at half health. And? Use an attack macro or spam your execute or hit your ultimate. Whatever you think needs doing. Just because you're using macros doesn't mean each and every action you take has to be part of one.

I understand what a macro is.

Clearly you do not. You keep demanding evidence that a particular person is using macros. I've told you multiple times now that it doesn't work that way. It is very difficult to prove an individual is using macros. But it is very easy to show that macros exist and people use them. Just google gaming keyboards and you'll find thousands of them for sale with "macro buttons" as one of the big selling points.

@Glurin
You described it as taking over combat

No, I don't believe I did. As a matter of fact, I believe I made that point crystal clear right from the get go. Repeatedly. Unfortunately you seem to be stuck in an all or nothing mindset and I'm not sure at this point that anything will break you out of it.

@Glurin
Behaving like I'm crazed doesn't address anything you have already failed to address. I remain unconvinced...

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Does macro use exist in ESO? Yes. Are 99% of macro accusations without merit? Double yes. People love to cry Macro Use when they get wrecked, but usually it’s a L2P issue.

Outside of an auto light attack weave or maybe a burst/bomb combo, there is just no scenario where they are going to give you much of an edge, and both of those things would be better handled without a macro even if it was legal (which of course it’s not). Throw lag into the picture and macros frankly become more of a hinderance than a help. I have only seen what I was fairly sure were macros maybe 2-3 times in all of ESO, and it was honestly never by players that I was worried about killing me. It was always what appeared to be scripted burst combos, but if you evaded it, they were typically in a bad spot because they couldn’t react.