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Elitists "META" Plague
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LashanW✭✭✭✭✭
✭OP if you want to have a meaningful discussion in English you will need to really work on communication skills, it is very hard to understand certain details you say and who you are addressing.
2 Teams had 2 different opinions/tactics/playstyles and they couldn't compromise for a joint operation. This is an example of a social or teamwork failure. This can happen in any aspect of life or games. If you can't come to a compromise, you leave and find someone who can compromise. No point in playing the blame game and wasting time and energy there.As an example of other game:
We had 2 servers that DPS boss.
10 people party. All difference was that 1 server kills it on left other on right side.
When 2 servers => to 1, that DDDps people can not DPS boss becouse can not agree what is right kill it on left or right side and both think that they knows better.
Who are you even talking to? You can do 90k+ dps with 250+ ping (dunno about low fps, turn down settings maybe). Unless you live on the moon and play on a potato pc, then it might be impossible.You will newer do 90 k becouse of worse ping and fps.
Aha, this one is for me. Here's the thing, in this game hard content is usually done by 4 person or 12 person groups. You can't expect all team members to learn at same speeds. Some learn quick, some don't. If you can't be patient enough until all team members learn, you don't belong in that team. That's why some people rage quit from progression groups. Tank roles tend to be more difficult to master than DD roles. So if you are a DD and you are perfect at your role and responsibilities, and your tank is still learning and causing wipes. You try it again with them until they get better. If they say they can't do it while wearing meta sets, you give them more tips/attention or even let them wear selfish sets until they get good enough. You don't go around blaming meta and others. This is literally how progression groups work.Some one say about dark soul, where you learn from wipes, but will you learn from others mistake ?
Some people want to play meta / popular tactics. That's their playstyle and how they want to have fun. From what you say, your playstyle is different. And you want "elitist meta plague" people to change their preferred way of playing, so you can play with them without any issues? Who has the "freak idea" here?It is freak idea to take others party game style and try to rework all peoples play for that.
It is monkey like play. Copy will never be better than original, remember ?
Just find 11 more people with your playstyle and way of thinking, make a guild and have fun.---No longer active in ESO---
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AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭Dragonslayerdovakiin wrote: »Firstly i would like to say i perhaps do not understand the premise of this thread, but i will comment on my assumption (that you, meaning the OP) think content creators are at fault for showcasing what the best builds/gear are and people then asking people to use that? it depends mostly on the content you are doing in my opinion but first several things:
Content creators do theory crafting and testing which is something alot of players do not have time for since they have real lives, the content creators more often than not have youtube/other means as their way of income and therefore have the time/reason to spend time testing things such as what is best, "meta" is a natural byproduct of a game system and will always exist, there cannot be a game like an MMO without meta, unless sets, etc are just different visuals and stats are all the same (which would be boring and counterproductive to gameplay systems like gear farming) that is not to say that meta is the ONLY way to play, those for example in general gameplay who say someone cannot DD if they dont use siroria and mother's sorry for example are wrong, however those sets are some of the BEST sets and higher dps is easier to attain as a result, however for most people in general in the game you wont encounter people telling you what to wear, however in the endgame that is where things change, i called the following things endgame: vet dlc dungeons (especially HM) specifically the ones which released after IC, vet trials (mainly the dlc ones) these instances are different and different rules apply, the endgame content is where you should naturally progress to when you have gotten very good at the game in your respective role, it is fully understandable and in instances completely acceptable to expect people to wear certain gear/use certain skills, a great example is tanks: if you join a vet trial like.....vHoF it is fully acceptable for the raid lead/group to expect you to wear group buff sets such as alkosh, yolna, torugs, worm, hircine, PA, etc since these sets provide a MASSIVE amount of help to the group and if you are doing this level of content it is not unreasonable for people to expect you to wear this gear, now things are SLIGHTLY different for damage dealers as there is not as much pressure set wise unless you are designated EC, etc buff dd, except in that case dds have alot more freedom and i would say only in the most endgame of endgame (scorepushing groups, etc) do you NEED to wear specific gear/use specific skills, however a raid lead expecting you to use gear/skills which allow you to achieve a certain amount of dps is not unreasonable, and i KNOW you can get good dps without meta sets and if you get the results people should not (and usually are not correct) to "force" you to change, i know a mag DK player who uses Z'ens and also uses DK chain as spammable (off-meta, but his sustain is epic and his dps is more than enough).
so to sum up the discussion it really depends on what level of content you are doing, if someone tells you that you need meta gear for a normal dungeon.......well thats totally wrong and unessisary, however as i said endgame is different story
also sorry i apparently dont know about paragraphs xD
I now understand how to say it better ty for your post.
First of all:
1) For any theory crafter it is impossible to check all it takes to much time and some times even data he use is not correct.
As an example skill Moltan Armaments was broken for year and did not work correct with different weapons. You can not theory craft with wrong data.
2) When you do theory crafting you do it for your group !!! It is to much work to do it for all situations.
So you do it for your strategy. If you use another positioning, stack do not stack mobs, have different dps - it will be wrong calculation, it will not work !
3) All this calculations work only on paper, than to make it real you need modification of it for your group. You need own theory crafter for it or it will not work !
4) If you already have own theory crafter, he need not other ones idea, he will do better based on his own group !
So:
a) If you have theory crafter, it will not be usefull.
b) If you do not have one, do not have time for it and just copy it from them, it will not work !
I say it because i am theory crafter myself !
You take this sets and ?
As example they do 1 million dps, your raid do 600 k dps.
Tank get 1 big adds, in your situation 2-3, and for 2 more period of time and can not sustain it.
It is not TANKS fault, it is WRONG strategy.
The plague of meta is what you just say:
You HAVE NO time to check yourself, you take it, but it will not work for your group !!!
What will you do next ? You will not start calculate the mistake you did, you ask other people do the same - copy wrong tacticks for your party, that will not work, because it is different situations !!!
You will not look in small details, you try to copy that groups gameplay - and this is WRONG, it will not work.
Copy solution for OTHER situation becouse it worked for some META group is plague for your group.
If tank can not sustain and not enough DPS what should party do ?
"Tank - take your meta sets off and put good tanks gear for live !"
What do this groups promote to us ?
Put ebon + torug on ? Are you mad ? He will not sustain for such long ! Not enough raid damage !!!
It is another situation you try to copy.
People who already understand this do not watch this content, people who watch it try to copy and it will not work !
It us different situations !
Such content is more distructive for a game than anything else.
Who will you listen ?Tank or DD who never played tank for meta and what tank must do ?
Normal people listen to tank for ranking, dd for dps.
And you ask Tanks put sets that DD promote, even with no understanding of situation ? Tank know what to wear better based on situation.
And that you "have no time for theory crafting", shows that you must not give any advices to other players ! Because you are not understanding what you talk to them ! It is like broken phone.
Why do you not pass ? Wrong data, you do not get information from situation you try to copy different solution for another problem.0 -
AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭OP if you want to have a meaningful discussion in English you will need to really work on communication skills, it is very hard to understand certain details you say and who you are addressing.
2 Teams had 2 different opinions/tactics/playstyles and they couldn't compromise for a joint operation. This is an example of a social or teamwork failure. This can happen in any aspect of life or games. If you can't come to a compromise, you leave and find someone who can compromise. No point in playing the blame game and wasting time and energy there.As an example of other game:
We had 2 servers that DPS boss.
10 people party. All difference was that 1 server kills it on left other on right side.
When 2 servers => to 1, that DDDps people can not DPS boss becouse can not agree what is right kill it on left or right side and both think that they knows better.
Who are you even talking to? You can do 90k+ dps with 250+ ping (dunno about low fps, turn down settings maybe). Unless you live on the moon and play on a potato pc, then it might be impossible.You will newer do 90 k becouse of worse ping and fps.
Aha, this one is for me. Here's the thing, in this game hard content is usually done by 4 person or 12 person groups. You can't expect all team members to learn at same speeds. Some learn quick, some don't. If you can't be patient enough until all team members learn, you don't belong in that team. That's why some people rage quit from progression groups. Tank roles tend to be more difficult to master than DD roles. So if you are a DD and you are perfect at your role and responsibilities, and your tank is still learning and causing wipes. You try it again with them until they get better. If they say they can't do it while wearing meta sets, you give them more tips/attention or even let them wear selfish sets until they get good enough. You don't go around blaming meta and others. This is literally how progression groups work.Some one say about dark soul, where you learn from wipes, but will you learn from others mistake ?
Some people want to play meta / popular tactics. That's their playstyle and how they want to have fun. From what you say, your playstyle is different. And you want "elitist meta plague" people to change their preferred way of playing, so you can play with them without any issues? Who has the "freak idea" here?It is freak idea to take others party game style and try to rework all peoples play for that.
It is monkey like play. Copy will never be better than original, remember ?
Just find 11 more people with your playstyle and way of thinking, make a guild and have fun.
You really can not.
With bad fps and ping you will not know if you press skill 2 times will it work 1 time 2 times or 0.
You are not even sure will skill work if you press it.
And all TOP dps streamers gave 100 fps 100 ping, that do not jumping.
Some people do not. We have 100 than 327 - than 150.
You have to predict what to do not even see situation.
If all be so simple - all players will just do mouse macro and dps on it like bot
Ping, server perfomance, fps do there work. Base on even this some players can not use some builds.
I know people who had 10 fps - they do 18-20 k dps in meta gear.
But in build i show for them 40 k dps.
It is funny to hear about PC perfomance have no effect on your play it really does.
About my communication skills, yes not the best and i write from phone - it is really hard for me, so sorry for grammar mistakes and strange words.
My example of communication is simple example:
They fight left other right. And can not get solution.
If they just hit no matter what it will not even be a problem right ?
In teso there are - tanks, healers and DD
DD can be HA, ultimate based, AOE, solo target, light attackers and etc. Stamina and mana.
To show better numbers they need different position of enemy, sets, tactick and etc.
LA can show more dps before, because number of support sets was limited.
As example i use HA, i need no mana.
I need ultimate to do more dps.
DK can get mana or stamina from ultimate, so set that gives ultimate give him resources + dps. Other classes get only DPS and need mana/stamina.
If you have people, you ask them change class each update ? Or make build for your group ? Base on classes you have ?
If you want just to pass you need not 1 DK, 1 Sorc, 1 templar, 1 warden, 3-4 necro, 4-5 NB !
You need it only for score numbers.
You can pass even HM with 12 DK as example.
It is not healthy to do new class DD each update, new sets and etc if you need just to pass.
Score runs is different situation from just pass, from pass no death, from pass HMs.
Some times meta will not even work !
It is wrong copy it with no thinking !
It is not even healthy for the game, itmake bad players, casuals, brainless people.0 -
NEMESIS_97✭✭✭There is many videos on yt where ppl with very high ping do perfectly la wieving and pulls high dps...train your rotation till you can do it with closed eyes..muscle memory will do rest..high ping is not excuse for low dps..3
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resdayn00✭✭✭Give a beginner a sharp sword and he will cut himself with it. It's not the blacksmith's fault for making a sharp sword, it's the beginner's fault for not practicing with a wooden sword first.
Replace sharp sword with endgame meta build, blacksmith with theorycrafter, wooden sword with beginner friendly build.PC EU - Ebonheart Pact
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NEMESIS_97✭✭✭And meta will always work..because for each situation comes meta...thats why its called meta..meta for single target low movement..meta for high mobility..meta for trash meta is meta..how MOST EFFECTIVE TACTIC AVAILABLE not work?Edited by NEMESIS_97 on December 9, 2020 12:09PM2
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NEMESIS_97✭✭✭Give a beginner a sharp sword and he will cut himself with it. It's not the blacksmith's fault for making a sharp sword, it's the beginner's fault for not practicing with a wooden sword first.
Replace sharp sword with endgame meta build, blacksmith with theorycrafter, wooden sword with beginner friendly build.
Well said..cookie for you
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✭@Firstmep Please read to the end:That may be your impression, if you go Alcasts website he often has multiple sets of gear that all work.
If people blindly copy a meta trial build for a tank ans take it to 4 man content without understanding the build, or why certain gear is used, that's their fault, not the content creators.
I like Alcast. Especially his sarcasm. But to me his videos are entertainment, not guidance. I never talked about his website.
That was exactly my point. Thank you for agreeing.Eso has a difficulty curve, but there is no dividing factor as to when players can start doing x content, since gear progression isn't as linear as in other games.
Experience and good mechanics are more important than gear.
Good example!Even nowadays you can throw on hundings agility on a Stam DD and do more dps than 90% of the players using the most meta sets.
Yes to the first, No to the second part. The content creators are partially to blame, because they condense information, without providing propper context. A simple preamble before every META build video would be enough. Everyone, who puts out content, has a responseability about the effects of his content. Especially those with high impact factors.If anyone Ignores all that, and then jumps ahead to the endgame meta builds, and then fails, that's on them, not on the content creators.
Something along the lines of: "This is META! Not for sub 1000h ingame players!" Some even say it, but the message doesn't always come through.
Again: There are a lot of build videos out there and they mostly lack context! Not content. I do not name or shame.
I do neither need hand holding, nor would I ever state that I have learned everything about it. Your sentiment is pure conjecture.Sorry if Alcast doesnt hold your hand personally while you learn to play the game.
I shall not. In a massive game like ESO, it is too much content. So I courteously ask for help and humbly listen to advice from players of my guilds or from the forum. That is what matters, not the amount of outside input.Try playing the game without relying on outside advice from other people or copying others builds.
Good for You! Enjoy!Ive been doing it since launch, and I've cleared pretty much all difficult content in this game, and I'm pretty decent at pvp too.
No Effort, No Reward?
No Reward, No Effort!1 -
AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭NEMESIS_97 wrote: »There is many videos on yt where ppl with very high ping do perfectly la wieving and pulls high dps...train your rotation till you can do it with closed eyes..muscle memory will do rest..high ping is not excuse for low dps..
With dots meta, where other DD had 120 this had 90 - may be.
It is not like that. If you press skill will it work ? Yes ! For some people 50/50.
Just situation you press button and have no effect or skill works.
I can not say more becouse i have no source for it, if you have video i can watch it.
I can say that once i was in vSS on HM and suddenly Zamaja comes to us there from vCR on helicopter. Than i wake up but i am sure that it was not just my dream
As a man with not the best ping i can say:
The same build and same rotation for me 8am or 8 pm is 5 k dps different.
So for me it is real difference in numbers.0 -
AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭Give a beginner a sharp sword and he will cut himself with it. It's not the blacksmith's fault for making a sharp sword, it's the beginner's fault for not practicing with a wooden sword first.
Replace sharp sword with endgame meta build, blacksmith with theorycrafter, wooden sword with beginner friendly build.
So all they do is give sharp blades of bad quality to beginners.
Because not beginners do not buy there stuff, they use guns.
It is not there fault or beginners.
We get what we get, i just show the situation.Edited by AyaDark on December 9, 2020 12:15PM0 -
NEMESIS_97✭✭✭Give a beginner a sharp sword and he will cut himself with it. It's not the blacksmith's fault for making a sharp sword, it's the beginner's fault for not practicing with a wooden sword first.
Replace sharp sword with endgame meta build, blacksmith with theorycrafter, wooden sword with beginner friendly build.
So all they do is give sharp blades of bad quality to beginners.
Because not beginners do not buy there stuff, they use guns.
It is not there fault or beginners.
We get what we get, i just show the situation.
NOPE...they give perfectly made blades but some ppl who not even swing spoon in soup takes those blades and cut theirs arms offEdited by NEMESIS_97 on December 9, 2020 12:33PM3 -
iksde✭✭✭✭Give a beginner a sharp sword and he will cut himself with it. It's not the blacksmith's fault for making a sharp sword, it's the beginner's fault for not practicing with a wooden sword first.
Replace sharp sword with endgame meta build, blacksmith with theorycrafter, wooden sword with beginner friendly build.
So all they do is give sharp blades of bad quality to beginners.
Because not beginners do not buy there stuff, they use guns.
It is not there fault or beginners.
We get what we get, i just show the situation.
so we are still with topic of content creators yes?
so they create videos, builds mainly for endgame...mostly they have in descrpition for what lvl it is and they cant know what people will watch them and then copy
they can guess just anybody can look at this but they aren't aware, when and who will actually copy them in 100%
this is not their fault someone without exp will look at their build and 100% copy paste it without experience
as you say this is not beginners fault because they took to sharp sword for start
same it is not content creators fault because theyr dont control who actually will take this sharp blade
I will add to it this is more of these beginners thing, fault or not or just unawarness of their inexperience because (theoretically) beginners should know theyr are not that eexp for endgame so they should be aware they need more practise, get more experience before touching very sharp sword
thats just thing there is no overall/general/total (or how else name it) mentor for everyone, just nobody is monitored by mentor/teacher/parent who will take care of him and stop from things for which he is not ready yet so people should have self awarness, self-restraint from to hard/to complicated things if they are still beginners without much exp, this is on them without control of anyone if they will took wooden sword for start of practise or instantly sharp sword and then be suprised they maked bad move and lost hand because they didnt know anything how they shold have used it and they didn't have anyone to control them to not touch it yet, they are on their self0 -
AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭About Alcast:
I do not like his game style. I watch his 3 in 1 run of Zaan with face palm. Fenix saved him ok. He really have good group but i am not so sure about his own skill.
But he have big site a lot of information on it and some times i even look it.
As example i do vVeteshrine arena with nodeath from 2-nd run.
1-st run i jump to waterfall (i think it is the way to quest).
I did not watch anything or play pts before.
But i did not take any buffs. I did not even know that it do exist !!!
When some one say me - after i already did no death - did you take buffs ?
WHAT ? There are buffs ????
And i walk to Alcasts site to watch where it is.
Some times there are people that i can not explain anything !!! They are just hard for understanding. I can not say to them some think like this, i just say to them:
It us good player Alcast - try to watch him.
So Alcast is really help some times.
But Alcast is DD. He do not play tank !
Alcast how do i sustain in low DPS group on tank you never play ?
I do not know - ebon alcosh ?
He even newer be in situation like this, why do you ask him about it ?
First of all he is DD, for DD - ok, do not even care how people do dps.
I use 1 support 1 DD set on my DD.
But stop talking about TANKs already !
It is no TANKS meta !!!
Your game play is based on party you play, have you enough healing, sustain, dps.
You play based on situation, thats why good tank have so many sets, no one talk about it !
But all DD will say about this sets.0 -
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✭✭✭Zodiarkslayer wrote: »@Firstmep Please read to the end:That may be your impression, if you go Alcasts website he often has multiple sets of gear that all work.
If people blindly copy a meta trial build for a tank ans take it to 4 man content without understanding the build, or why certain gear is used, that's their fault, not the content creators.
I like Alcast. Especially his sarcasm. But to me his videos are entertainment, not guidance. I never talked about his website.
That was exactly my point. Thank you for agreeing.Eso has a difficulty curve, but there is no dividing factor as to when players can start doing x content, since gear progression isn't as linear as in other games.
Experience and good mechanics are more important than gear.
Good example!Even nowadays you can throw on hundings agility on a Stam DD and do more dps than 90% of the players using the most meta sets.
Yes to the first, No to the second part. The content creators are partially to blame, because they condense information, without providing propper context. A simple preamble before every META build video would be enough. Everyone, who puts out content, has a responseability about the effects of his content. Especially those with high impact factors.If anyone Ignores all that, and then jumps ahead to the endgame meta builds, and then fails, that's on them, not on the content creators.
Something along the lines of: "This is META! Not for sub 1000h ingame players!" Some even say it, but the message doesn't always come through.
Again: There are a lot of build videos out there and they mostly lack context! Not content. I do not name or shame.
I do neither need hand holding, nor would I ever state that I have learned everything about it. Your sentiment is pure conjecture.Sorry if Alcast doesnt hold your hand personally while you learn to play the game.
I shall not. In a massive game like ESO, it is too much content. So I courteously ask for help and humbly listen to advice from players of my guilds or from the forum. That is what matters, not the amount of outside input.Try playing the game without relying on outside advice from other people or copying others builds.
Good for You! Enjoy!Ive been doing it since launch, and I've cleared pretty much all difficult content in this game, and I'm pretty decent at pvp too.
Alcasts website literally has beginner guides for pve.
The context is there.
He pretty much mentions his website in just about every video he makes.2 -
AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭Give a beginner a sharp sword and he will cut himself with it. It's not the blacksmith's fault for making a sharp sword, it's the beginner's fault for not practicing with a wooden sword first.
Replace sharp sword with endgame meta build, blacksmith with theorycrafter, wooden sword with beginner friendly build.
So all they do is give sharp blades of bad quality to beginners.
Because not beginners do not buy there stuff, they use guns.
It is not there fault or beginners.
We get what we get, i just show the situation.
so we are still with topic of content creators yes?
so they create videos, builds mainly for endgame...mostly they have in descrpition for what lvl it is and they cant know what people will watch them and then copy
they can guess just anybody can look at this but they aren't aware, when and who will actually copy them in 100%
this is not their fault someone without exp will look at their build and 100% copy paste it without experience
as you say this is not beginners fault because they took to sharp sword for start
same it is not content creators fault because theyr dont control who actually will take this sharp blade
I will add to it this is more of these beginners thing, fault or not or just unawarness of their inexperience because (theoretically) beginners should know theyr are not that eexp for endgame so they should be aware they need more practise, get more experience before touching very sharp sword
thats just thing there is no overall/general/total (or how else name it) mentor for everyone, just nobody is monitored by mentor/teacher/parent who will take care of him and stop from things for which he is not ready yet so people should have self awarness, self-restraint from to hard/to complicated things if they are still beginners without much exp, this is on them without control of anyone if they will took wooden sword for start of practise or instantly sharp sword and then be suprised they maked bad move and lost hand because they didnt know anything how they shold have used it and they didn't have anyone to control them to not touch it yet, they are on their self
I can not say for your country, but you can not buy weapon in our country. For this you need paper from doctor and paper that you know how to use it.
Even i just do not people some build i tell him how and where it have to work.
Now situation looks for me like:
Some player is dead and he say it is my fault that i am alive and do not play META.
They think that other players MUST do some thing for them.
No they must not.
If you want as example tank support you - HEAL tank.
If you do less damage do mechaniks ! Or why are some DD so proud there DPS when just stand and hit dummy like ?
Did you run portal ? No
Did you kill ads m ? No
Did you buff group ? No
What did you do ? Stand in AOE and DPS boss.
With 2 sets from supports just for him, other good DD can get better numbers, who did the work !
"Other MUST give me sustain"
They must not - even without people like this - pass is even simpker by 11 people run than 11+ 1 meta like this.0 -
NEMESIS_97✭✭✭Zodiarkslayer wrote: »@Firstmep Please read to the end:That may be your impression, if you go Alcasts website he often has multiple sets of gear that all work.
If people blindly copy a meta trial build for a tank ans take it to 4 man content without understanding the build, or why certain gear is used, that's their fault, not the content creators.
I like Alcast. Especially his sarcasm. But to me his videos are entertainment, not guidance. I never talked about his website.
That was exactly my point. Thank you for agreeing.Eso has a difficulty curve, but there is no dividing factor as to when players can start doing x content, since gear progression isn't as linear as in other games.
Experience and good mechanics are more important than gear.
Good example!Even nowadays you can throw on hundings agility on a Stam DD and do more dps than 90% of the players using the most meta sets.
Yes to the first, No to the second part. The content creators are partially to blame, because they condense information, without providing propper context. A simple preamble before every META build video would be enough. Everyone, who puts out content, has a responseability about the effects of his content. Especially those with high impact factors.If anyone Ignores all that, and then jumps ahead to the endgame meta builds, and then fails, that's on them, not on the content creators.
Something along the lines of: "This is META! Not for sub 1000h ingame players!" Some even say it, but the message doesn't always come through.
Again: There are a lot of build videos out there and they mostly lack context! Not content. I do not name or shame.
I do neither need hand holding, nor would I ever state that I have learned everything about it. Your sentiment is pure conjecture.Sorry if Alcast doesnt hold your hand personally while you learn to play the game.
I shall not. In a massive game like ESO, it is too much content. So I courteously ask for help and humbly listen to advice from players of my guilds or from the forum. That is what matters, not the amount of outside input.Try playing the game without relying on outside advice from other people or copying others builds.
Good for You! Enjoy!Ive been doing it since launch, and I've cleared pretty much all difficult content in this game, and I'm pretty decent at pvp too.
Alcasts website literally has beginner guides for pve.
The context is there.
He pretty much mentions his website in just about every video he makes.
But ''beginners'' dont have reading skills to see that Alcast 1st suggestions is for endgame build..2nd is for ppl who dont have options to get yet in trials and 3rd is for BEGINNERS...but for ''beginners'' is too hard to read it till end..its too much compute workload for their brains2 -
AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭Zodiarkslayer wrote: »@Firstmep Please read to the end:That may be your impression, if you go Alcasts website he often has multiple sets of gear that all work.
If people blindly copy a meta trial build for a tank ans take it to 4 man content without understanding the build, or why certain gear is used, that's their fault, not the content creators.
I like Alcast. Especially his sarcasm. But to me his videos are entertainment, not guidance. I never talked about his website.
That was exactly my point. Thank you for agreeing.Eso has a difficulty curve, but there is no dividing factor as to when players can start doing x content, since gear progression isn't as linear as in other games.
Experience and good mechanics are more important than gear.
Good example!Even nowadays you can throw on hundings agility on a Stam DD and do more dps than 90% of the players using the most meta sets.
Yes to the first, No to the second part. The content creators are partially to blame, because they condense information, without providing propper context. A simple preamble before every META build video would be enough. Everyone, who puts out content, has a responseability about the effects of his content. Especially those with high impact factors.If anyone Ignores all that, and then jumps ahead to the endgame meta builds, and then fails, that's on them, not on the content creators.
Something along the lines of: "This is META! Not for sub 1000h ingame players!" Some even say it, but the message doesn't always come through.
Again: There are a lot of build videos out there and they mostly lack context! Not content. I do not name or shame.
I do neither need hand holding, nor would I ever state that I have learned everything about it. Your sentiment is pure conjecture.Sorry if Alcast doesnt hold your hand personally while you learn to play the game.
I shall not. In a massive game like ESO, it is too much content. So I courteously ask for help and humbly listen to advice from players of my guilds or from the forum. That is what matters, not the amount of outside input.Try playing the game without relying on outside advice from other people or copying others builds.
Good for You! Enjoy!Ive been doing it since launch, and I've cleared pretty much all difficult content in this game, and I'm pretty decent at pvp too.
Alcasts website literally has beginner guides for pve.
The context is there.
He pretty much mentions his website in just about every video he makes.
Do alcast promote Plague Doctor for DD, when price of it go 50 times up?
100 k per stuff ?
Alfig was the same 10 times cheaper, the same only put stats different !
The same as Twice Born Star.
I even think that he buy a lot of plague doctor and decided to make money on it.
Did video and sell it 50 time more price
People will not think and compare, just buy pkague doctor - for DD
It was part a joke, but i really thought like this, that he did it just to get money
Edited by AyaDark on December 9, 2020 12:59PM0 -
Firstmep✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Give a beginner a sharp sword and he will cut himself with it. It's not the blacksmith's fault for making a sharp sword, it's the beginner's fault for not practicing with a wooden sword first.
Replace sharp sword with endgame meta build, blacksmith with theorycrafter, wooden sword with beginner friendly build.
So all they do is give sharp blades of bad quality to beginners.
Because not beginners do not buy there stuff, they use guns.
It is not there fault or beginners.
We get what we get, i just show the situation.
so we are still with topic of content creators yes?
so they create videos, builds mainly for endgame...mostly they have in descrpition for what lvl it is and they cant know what people will watch them and then copy
they can guess just anybody can look at this but they aren't aware, when and who will actually copy them in 100%
this is not their fault someone without exp will look at their build and 100% copy paste it without experience
as you say this is not beginners fault because they took to sharp sword for start
same it is not content creators fault because theyr dont control who actually will take this sharp blade
I will add to it this is more of these beginners thing, fault or not or just unawarness of their inexperience because (theoretically) beginners should know theyr are not that eexp for endgame so they should be aware they need more practise, get more experience before touching very sharp sword
thats just thing there is no overall/general/total (or how else name it) mentor for everyone, just nobody is monitored by mentor/teacher/parent who will take care of him and stop from things for which he is not ready yet so people should have self awarness, self-restraint from to hard/to complicated things if they are still beginners without much exp, this is on them without control of anyone if they will took wooden sword for start of practise or instantly sharp sword and then be suprised they maked bad move and lost hand because they didnt know anything how they shold have used it and they didn't have anyone to control them to not touch it yet, they are on their self
I can not say for your country, but you can not buy weapon in our country. For this you need paper from doctor and paper that you know how to use it.
Even i just do not people some build i tell him how and where it have to work.
Now situation looks for me like:
Some player is dead and he say it is my fault that i am alive and do not play META.
They think that other players MUST do some thing for them.
No they must not.
If you want as example tank support you - HEAL tank.
If you do less damage do mechaniks ! Or why are some DD so proud there DPS when just stand and hit dummy like ?
Did you run portal ? No
Did you kill ads m ? No
Did you buff group ? No
What did you do ? Stand in AOE and DPS boss.
With 2 sets from supports just for him, other good DD can get better numbers, who did the work !
"Other MUST give me sustain"
They must not - even without people like this - pass is even simpker by 11 people run than 11+ 1 meta like this.
Eso's group dynamics are determined by the players, healers run sets that support the group Beacuse for most people a zouple of heal over times are already more than enough to stay alive.
Tanks run support sets, Beacuse you can acquire the required "tankiness", without running selfish or defensive sets.
If you need to run a selfish build, that's your problem, if your group is fine with it no problem.
But don't blame others if they have certain expectations from you that you can't/won't meet.2 -
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This, or rather some sets are hard to use. Other has an long spin up time, found that my overland setup is much better than my dungeon one in the normal dungeon farming we do during event simply as bosses is dead then you done put down the dotsGive a beginner a sharp sword and he will cut himself with it. It's not the blacksmith's fault for making a sharp sword, it's the beginner's fault for not practicing with a wooden sword first.
Replace sharp sword with endgame meta build, blacksmith with theorycrafter, wooden sword with beginner friendly build.
And meta is for trials not dungeons, outside of vet dlc in most places I tend to go DD with emergency heal and shards.
If needed just add more hots and buffs.Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
NEMESIS_97✭✭✭Zodiarkslayer wrote: »@Firstmep Please read to the end:That may be your impression, if you go Alcasts website he often has multiple sets of gear that all work.
If people blindly copy a meta trial build for a tank ans take it to 4 man content without understanding the build, or why certain gear is used, that's their fault, not the content creators.
I like Alcast. Especially his sarcasm. But to me his videos are entertainment, not guidance. I never talked about his website.
That was exactly my point. Thank you for agreeing.Eso has a difficulty curve, but there is no dividing factor as to when players can start doing x content, since gear progression isn't as linear as in other games.
Experience and good mechanics are more important than gear.
Good example!Even nowadays you can throw on hundings agility on a Stam DD and do more dps than 90% of the players using the most meta sets.
Yes to the first, No to the second part. The content creators are partially to blame, because they condense information, without providing propper context. A simple preamble before every META build video would be enough. Everyone, who puts out content, has a responseability about the effects of his content. Especially those with high impact factors.If anyone Ignores all that, and then jumps ahead to the endgame meta builds, and then fails, that's on them, not on the content creators.
Something along the lines of: "This is META! Not for sub 1000h ingame players!" Some even say it, but the message doesn't always come through.
Again: There are a lot of build videos out there and they mostly lack context! Not content. I do not name or shame.
I do neither need hand holding, nor would I ever state that I have learned everything about it. Your sentiment is pure conjecture.Sorry if Alcast doesnt hold your hand personally while you learn to play the game.
I shall not. In a massive game like ESO, it is too much content. So I courteously ask for help and humbly listen to advice from players of my guilds or from the forum. That is what matters, not the amount of outside input.Try playing the game without relying on outside advice from other people or copying others builds.
Good for You! Enjoy!Ive been doing it since launch, and I've cleared pretty much all difficult content in this game, and I'm pretty decent at pvp too.
Alcasts website literally has beginner guides for pve.
The context is there.
He pretty much mentions his website in just about every video he makes.
Do alcast promote Plague Doctor for DD, when price of it go 50 times up?
100 k per stuff ?
Alfig was the same 10 times cheaper, the same only put stats different !
The same as Twice Born Star.
I even think that he buy a lot of plague doctor and decided to make money on it.
Did video and sell it 50 time more price
People will not think and compare, just buy pkague doctor - for DD
It was part a joke, but i really thought like this, that he did it just to get money
Are you on skooma?5 -
iksde✭✭✭✭Give a beginner a sharp sword and he will cut himself with it. It's not the blacksmith's fault for making a sharp sword, it's the beginner's fault for not practicing with a wooden sword first.
Replace sharp sword with endgame meta build, blacksmith with theorycrafter, wooden sword with beginner friendly build.
So all they do is give sharp blades of bad quality to beginners.
Because not beginners do not buy there stuff, they use guns.
It is not there fault or beginners.
We get what we get, i just show the situation.
so we are still with topic of content creators yes?
so they create videos, builds mainly for endgame...mostly they have in descrpition for what lvl it is and they cant know what people will watch them and then copy
they can guess just anybody can look at this but they aren't aware, when and who will actually copy them in 100%
this is not their fault someone without exp will look at their build and 100% copy paste it without experience
as you say this is not beginners fault because they took to sharp sword for start
same it is not content creators fault because theyr dont control who actually will take this sharp blade
I will add to it this is more of these beginners thing, fault or not or just unawarness of their inexperience because (theoretically) beginners should know theyr are not that eexp for endgame so they should be aware they need more practise, get more experience before touching very sharp sword
thats just thing there is no overall/general/total (or how else name it) mentor for everyone, just nobody is monitored by mentor/teacher/parent who will take care of him and stop from things for which he is not ready yet so people should have self awarness, self-restraint from to hard/to complicated things if they are still beginners without much exp, this is on them without control of anyone if they will took wooden sword for start of practise or instantly sharp sword and then be suprised they maked bad move and lost hand because they didnt know anything how they shold have used it and they didn't have anyone to control them to not touch it yet, they are on their self
I can not say for your country, but you can not buy weapon in our country. For this you need paper from doctor and paper that you know how to use it.
Even i just do not people some build i tell him how and where it have to work.
Now situation looks for me like:
Some player is dead and he say it is my fault that i am alive and do not play META.
They think that other players MUST do some thing for them.
No they must not.
If you want as example tank support you - HEAL tank.
If you do less damage do mechaniks ! Or why are some DD so proud there DPS when just stand and hit dummy like ?
Did you run portal ? No
Did you kill ads m ? No
Did you buff group ? No
What did you do ? Stand in AOE and DPS boss.
With 2 sets from supports just for him, other good DD can get better numbers, who did the work !
"Other MUST give me sustain"
They must not - even without people like this - pass is even simpker by 11 people run than 11+ 1 meta like this.
and here in game you dont need any papers to get the best set, all you need is willings to farm it and for some sets also group to run this content
and even if you have papes to buy weapon...it doesnt matter how good, expensive weapon you will buy with great accuracty, if you didn't learn before how to aim, shoot no any great weapon will make you great and accuracy shooting, you will be still missing if you dont practise
I cant understand last your sentence....but if we are in trial group healers talk about what they will use and thye will use support sets for most of the group like...why to use support set for single or 2 players in group instead of for 6?
or if they have split group in half for 4 stamina and 4 magica dps...they will still use support for magica dps because magica need more support t work than stamina and still stamina is getting some from somme supports which we have avaible to support magica/overall dps0 -
AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭Give a beginner a sharp sword and he will cut himself with it. It's not the blacksmith's fault for making a sharp sword, it's the beginner's fault for not practicing with a wooden sword first.
Replace sharp sword with endgame meta build, blacksmith with theorycrafter, wooden sword with beginner friendly build.
So all they do is give sharp blades of bad quality to beginners.
Because not beginners do not buy there stuff, they use guns.
It is not there fault or beginners.
We get what we get, i just show the situation.
so we are still with topic of content creators yes?
so they create videos, builds mainly for endgame...mostly they have in descrpition for what lvl it is and they cant know what people will watch them and then copy
they can guess just anybody can look at this but they aren't aware, when and who will actually copy them in 100%
this is not their fault someone without exp will look at their build and 100% copy paste it without experience
as you say this is not beginners fault because they took to sharp sword for start
same it is not content creators fault because theyr dont control who actually will take this sharp blade
I will add to it this is more of these beginners thing, fault or not or just unawarness of their inexperience because (theoretically) beginners should know theyr are not that eexp for endgame so they should be aware they need more practise, get more experience before touching very sharp sword
thats just thing there is no overall/general/total (or how else name it) mentor for everyone, just nobody is monitored by mentor/teacher/parent who will take care of him and stop from things for which he is not ready yet so people should have self awarness, self-restraint from to hard/to complicated things if they are still beginners without much exp, this is on them without control of anyone if they will took wooden sword for start of practise or instantly sharp sword and then be suprised they maked bad move and lost hand because they didnt know anything how they shold have used it and they didn't have anyone to control them to not touch it yet, they are on their self
I can not say for your country, but you can not buy weapon in our country. For this you need paper from doctor and paper that you know how to use it.
Even i just do not people some build i tell him how and where it have to work.
Now situation looks for me like:
Some player is dead and he say it is my fault that i am alive and do not play META.
They think that other players MUST do some thing for them.
No they must not.
If you want as example tank support you - HEAL tank.
If you do less damage do mechaniks ! Or why are some DD so proud there DPS when just stand and hit dummy like ?
Did you run portal ? No
Did you kill ads m ? No
Did you buff group ? No
What did you do ? Stand in AOE and DPS boss.
With 2 sets from supports just for him, other good DD can get better numbers, who did the work !
"Other MUST give me sustain"
They must not - even without people like this - pass is even simpker by 11 people run than 11+ 1 meta like this.
Eso's group dynamics are determined by the players, healers run sets that support the group Beacuse for most people a zouple of heal over times are already more than enough to stay alive.
Tanks run support sets, Beacuse you can acquire the required "tankiness", without running selfish or defensive sets.
If you need to run a selfish build, that's your problem, if your group is fine with it no problem.
But don't blame others if they have certain expectations from you that you can't/won't meet.
You write about tankeness, do you play tank ? Tank was my main.
Becouse of peoples not clever actions i decided that it is more simple to play DD.
But i really like tanks, so i always will wish best for them.
You can tank on DD by the way, i can do it, in meta with 1 minute boss kill DD can do it.
Will you try if community decide you should do it and have enough tankeness ?
It must be healthy logick, not community decided. 2% of this community really pass, but 98% of others always decided.0 -
NEMESIS_97✭✭✭Give a beginner a sharp sword and he will cut himself with it. It's not the blacksmith's fault for making a sharp sword, it's the beginner's fault for not practicing with a wooden sword first.
Replace sharp sword with endgame meta build, blacksmith with theorycrafter, wooden sword with beginner friendly build.
So all they do is give sharp blades of bad quality to beginners.
Because not beginners do not buy there stuff, they use guns.
It is not there fault or beginners.
We get what we get, i just show the situation.
so we are still with topic of content creators yes?
so they create videos, builds mainly for endgame...mostly they have in descrpition for what lvl it is and they cant know what people will watch them and then copy
they can guess just anybody can look at this but they aren't aware, when and who will actually copy them in 100%
this is not their fault someone without exp will look at their build and 100% copy paste it without experience
as you say this is not beginners fault because they took to sharp sword for start
same it is not content creators fault because theyr dont control who actually will take this sharp blade
I will add to it this is more of these beginners thing, fault or not or just unawarness of their inexperience because (theoretically) beginners should know theyr are not that eexp for endgame so they should be aware they need more practise, get more experience before touching very sharp sword
thats just thing there is no overall/general/total (or how else name it) mentor for everyone, just nobody is monitored by mentor/teacher/parent who will take care of him and stop from things for which he is not ready yet so people should have self awarness, self-restraint from to hard/to complicated things if they are still beginners without much exp, this is on them without control of anyone if they will took wooden sword for start of practise or instantly sharp sword and then be suprised they maked bad move and lost hand because they didnt know anything how they shold have used it and they didn't have anyone to control them to not touch it yet, they are on their self
I can not say for your country, but you can not buy weapon in our country. For this you need paper from doctor and paper that you know how to use it.
Even i just do not people some build i tell him how and where it have to work.
Now situation looks for me like:
Some player is dead and he say it is my fault that i am alive and do not play META.
They think that other players MUST do some thing for them.
No they must not.
If you want as example tank support you - HEAL tank.
If you do less damage do mechaniks ! Or why are some DD so proud there DPS when just stand and hit dummy like ?
Did you run portal ? No
Did you kill ads m ? No
Did you buff group ? No
What did you do ? Stand in AOE and DPS boss.
With 2 sets from supports just for him, other good DD can get better numbers, who did the work !
"Other MUST give me sustain"
They must not - even without people like this - pass is even simpker by 11 people run than 11+ 1 meta like this.
Eso's group dynamics are determined by the players, healers run sets that support the group Beacuse for most people a zouple of heal over times are already more than enough to stay alive.
Tanks run support sets, Beacuse you can acquire the required "tankiness", without running selfish or defensive sets.
If you need to run a selfish build, that's your problem, if your group is fine with it no problem.
But don't blame others if they have certain expectations from you that you can't/won't meet.
You write about tankeness, do you play tank ? Tank was my main.
Becouse of peoples not clever actions i decided that it is more simple to play DD.
But i really like tanks, so i always will wish best for them.
You can tank on DD by the way, i can do it, in meta with 1 minute boss kill DD can do it.
Will you try if community decide you should do it and have enough tankeness ?
It must be healthy logick, not community decided. 2% of this community really pass, but 98% of others always decided.
I play all roles..have 3 tanks..2 healers and 12 dps...so your question?about easy play...mastering dps rotation,la wieving and pulling high dps on whole encounter is way harder..from my personal exp..when you learn all roles its goes dd easiest then healer and last tank..when you got familiar with them then situation changes..dps becomes harder then tanking and last healing...when you learn boss/ads mehs and what to do with tank its becomes easy..but sustain high dps in intense battle doing mehs and avoiding dangers with perfect rotation for long duration becomes way harder..Edited by NEMESIS_97 on December 9, 2020 1:15PM0 -
iksde✭✭✭✭Give a beginner a sharp sword and he will cut himself with it. It's not the blacksmith's fault for making a sharp sword, it's the beginner's fault for not practicing with a wooden sword first.
Replace sharp sword with endgame meta build, blacksmith with theorycrafter, wooden sword with beginner friendly build.
So all they do is give sharp blades of bad quality to beginners.
Because not beginners do not buy there stuff, they use guns.
It is not there fault or beginners.
We get what we get, i just show the situation.
so we are still with topic of content creators yes?
so they create videos, builds mainly for endgame...mostly they have in descrpition for what lvl it is and they cant know what people will watch them and then copy
they can guess just anybody can look at this but they aren't aware, when and who will actually copy them in 100%
this is not their fault someone without exp will look at their build and 100% copy paste it without experience
as you say this is not beginners fault because they took to sharp sword for start
same it is not content creators fault because theyr dont control who actually will take this sharp blade
I will add to it this is more of these beginners thing, fault or not or just unawarness of their inexperience because (theoretically) beginners should know theyr are not that eexp for endgame so they should be aware they need more practise, get more experience before touching very sharp sword
thats just thing there is no overall/general/total (or how else name it) mentor for everyone, just nobody is monitored by mentor/teacher/parent who will take care of him and stop from things for which he is not ready yet so people should have self awarness, self-restraint from to hard/to complicated things if they are still beginners without much exp, this is on them without control of anyone if they will took wooden sword for start of practise or instantly sharp sword and then be suprised they maked bad move and lost hand because they didnt know anything how they shold have used it and they didn't have anyone to control them to not touch it yet, they are on their self
I can not say for your country, but you can not buy weapon in our country. For this you need paper from doctor and paper that you know how to use it.
Even i just do not people some build i tell him how and where it have to work.
Now situation looks for me like:
Some player is dead and he say it is my fault that i am alive and do not play META.
They think that other players MUST do some thing for them.
No they must not.
If you want as example tank support you - HEAL tank.
If you do less damage do mechaniks ! Or why are some DD so proud there DPS when just stand and hit dummy like ?
Did you run portal ? No
Did you kill ads m ? No
Did you buff group ? No
What did you do ? Stand in AOE and DPS boss.
With 2 sets from supports just for him, other good DD can get better numbers, who did the work !
"Other MUST give me sustain"
They must not - even without people like this - pass is even simpker by 11 people run than 11+ 1 meta like this.
Eso's group dynamics are determined by the players, healers run sets that support the group Beacuse for most people a zouple of heal over times are already more than enough to stay alive.
Tanks run support sets, Beacuse you can acquire the required "tankiness", without running selfish or defensive sets.
If you need to run a selfish build, that's your problem, if your group is fine with it no problem.
But don't blame others if they have certain expectations from you that you can't/won't meet.
You write about tankeness, do you play tank ? Tank was my main.
Becouse of peoples not clever actions i decided that it is more simple to play DD.
But i really like tanks, so i always will wish best for them.
You can tank on DD by the way, i can do it, in meta with 1 minute boss kill DD can do it.
Will you try if community decide you should do it and have enough tankeness ?
It must be healthy logick, not community decided. 2% of this community really pass, but 98% of others always decided.
Im playing with guildmates, friends, few who have tank - they rarely run all tankly ses at once
one of them have done triple with 3dd run on stone garden, this was the only place where he needed to go full tank, selfish sets becaus eof last boss hm
in every other content they are runniing with max sinsgle tankly sets and rest for support dps if nto all sets to support
for now basic set is yolnahkrin because it is heavy, 2nd is depending on how hard content is...but as for like diffucuilty...for icreach etc with hm ofc....they will wear as 2nd set olorime or alkosh if there will by synergies just tu support dps more and they are fine with their skill and tankniess in their setups0 -
NEMESIS_97✭✭✭Give a beginner a sharp sword and he will cut himself with it. It's not the blacksmith's fault for making a sharp sword, it's the beginner's fault for not practicing with a wooden sword first.
Replace sharp sword with endgame meta build, blacksmith with theorycrafter, wooden sword with beginner friendly build.
So all they do is give sharp blades of bad quality to beginners.
Because not beginners do not buy there stuff, they use guns.
It is not there fault or beginners.
We get what we get, i just show the situation.
so we are still with topic of content creators yes?
so they create videos, builds mainly for endgame...mostly they have in descrpition for what lvl it is and they cant know what people will watch them and then copy
they can guess just anybody can look at this but they aren't aware, when and who will actually copy them in 100%
this is not their fault someone without exp will look at their build and 100% copy paste it without experience
as you say this is not beginners fault because they took to sharp sword for start
same it is not content creators fault because theyr dont control who actually will take this sharp blade
I will add to it this is more of these beginners thing, fault or not or just unawarness of their inexperience because (theoretically) beginners should know theyr are not that eexp for endgame so they should be aware they need more practise, get more experience before touching very sharp sword
thats just thing there is no overall/general/total (or how else name it) mentor for everyone, just nobody is monitored by mentor/teacher/parent who will take care of him and stop from things for which he is not ready yet so people should have self awarness, self-restraint from to hard/to complicated things if they are still beginners without much exp, this is on them without control of anyone if they will took wooden sword for start of practise or instantly sharp sword and then be suprised they maked bad move and lost hand because they didnt know anything how they shold have used it and they didn't have anyone to control them to not touch it yet, they are on their self
I can not say for your country, but you can not buy weapon in our country. For this you need paper from doctor and paper that you know how to use it.
Even i just do not people some build i tell him how and where it have to work.
Now situation looks for me like:
Some player is dead and he say it is my fault that i am alive and do not play META.
They think that other players MUST do some thing for them.
No they must not.
If you want as example tank support you - HEAL tank.
If you do less damage do mechaniks ! Or why are some DD so proud there DPS when just stand and hit dummy like ?
Did you run portal ? No
Did you kill ads m ? No
Did you buff group ? No
What did you do ? Stand in AOE and DPS boss.
With 2 sets from supports just for him, other good DD can get better numbers, who did the work !
"Other MUST give me sustain"
They must not - even without people like this - pass is even simpker by 11 people run than 11+ 1 meta like this.
Eso's group dynamics are determined by the players, healers run sets that support the group Beacuse for most people a zouple of heal over times are already more than enough to stay alive.
Tanks run support sets, Beacuse you can acquire the required "tankiness", without running selfish or defensive sets.
If you need to run a selfish build, that's your problem, if your group is fine with it no problem.
But don't blame others if they have certain expectations from you that you can't/won't meet.
You write about tankeness, do you play tank ? Tank was my main.
Becouse of peoples not clever actions i decided that it is more simple to play DD.
But i really like tanks, so i always will wish best for them.
You can tank on DD by the way, i can do it, in meta with 1 minute boss kill DD can do it.
Will you try if community decide you should do it and have enough tankeness ?
It must be healthy logick, not community decided. 2% of this community really pass, but 98% of others always decided.
Im playing with guildmates, friends, few who have tank - they rarely run all tankly ses at once
one of them have done triple with 3dd run on stone garden, this was the only place where he needed to go full tank, selfish sets becaus eof last boss hm
in every other content they are runniing with max sinsgle tankly sets and rest for support dps if nto all sets to support
for now basic set is yolnahkrin because it is heavy, 2nd is depending on how hard content is...but as for like diffucuilty...for icreach etc with hm ofc....they will wear as 2nd set olorime or alkosh if there will by synergies just tu support dps more and they are fine with their skill and tankniess in their setups
Another place where needed bit selfish and heal support is tanking vFV HM0 -
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PC performance has zero effect on my ESO gameplay because I have a strong PC. If people have fps problems, easiest solution is turn down settings while inside trials and dungeons. Many endgamers do it.It is funny to hear about PC perfomance have no effect on your play it really does.
High ping is not a big problem for dps. I live 8000+ km from europe (I play on EU server, it's the closer one) and my best ping is 170. Entire last month I had ~300 ping at all times. I still do pretty high dps both on dummy parses and in trials with my magSorc. Just recently did 60k dps in vSS 1st boss hardmode with 300+ ping, raid dummy dps 100k+ (ping was 280+).
Non-stop ping spikes (ping jumping) however, is a problem. If your ISP is solid and you don't live on the other side of the world from the server, you shouldn't have ping spikes (unless ofc ESO servers are having a heart attack
). If you came up with a heavy attack oriented build to counter that, nicely done. Still doesn't make sense to demonize meta builds.
Copying meta setups and expecting high results is not gonna work most of the time, yes. But anyone with a brain and willingness to get better will either practice more with same setup, or will try different setups, might even ask more experienced people. Content creators and meta build makers receive a lot of support and followers because this game lacks proper in-game guides and combat balance is always changing.Some times meta will not even work !
It is wrong copy it with no thinking !
It is not even healthy for the game, itmake bad players, casuals, brainless people.---No longer active in ESO---
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iksde✭✭✭✭NEMESIS_97 wrote: »Give a beginner a sharp sword and he will cut himself with it. It's not the blacksmith's fault for making a sharp sword, it's the beginner's fault for not practicing with a wooden sword first.
Replace sharp sword with endgame meta build, blacksmith with theorycrafter, wooden sword with beginner friendly build.
So all they do is give sharp blades of bad quality to beginners.
Because not beginners do not buy there stuff, they use guns.
It is not there fault or beginners.
We get what we get, i just show the situation.
so we are still with topic of content creators yes?
so they create videos, builds mainly for endgame...mostly they have in descrpition for what lvl it is and they cant know what people will watch them and then copy
they can guess just anybody can look at this but they aren't aware, when and who will actually copy them in 100%
this is not their fault someone without exp will look at their build and 100% copy paste it without experience
as you say this is not beginners fault because they took to sharp sword for start
same it is not content creators fault because theyr dont control who actually will take this sharp blade
I will add to it this is more of these beginners thing, fault or not or just unawarness of their inexperience because (theoretically) beginners should know theyr are not that eexp for endgame so they should be aware they need more practise, get more experience before touching very sharp sword
thats just thing there is no overall/general/total (or how else name it) mentor for everyone, just nobody is monitored by mentor/teacher/parent who will take care of him and stop from things for which he is not ready yet so people should have self awarness, self-restraint from to hard/to complicated things if they are still beginners without much exp, this is on them without control of anyone if they will took wooden sword for start of practise or instantly sharp sword and then be suprised they maked bad move and lost hand because they didnt know anything how they shold have used it and they didn't have anyone to control them to not touch it yet, they are on their self
I can not say for your country, but you can not buy weapon in our country. For this you need paper from doctor and paper that you know how to use it.
Even i just do not people some build i tell him how and where it have to work.
Now situation looks for me like:
Some player is dead and he say it is my fault that i am alive and do not play META.
They think that other players MUST do some thing for them.
No they must not.
If you want as example tank support you - HEAL tank.
If you do less damage do mechaniks ! Or why are some DD so proud there DPS when just stand and hit dummy like ?
Did you run portal ? No
Did you kill ads m ? No
Did you buff group ? No
What did you do ? Stand in AOE and DPS boss.
With 2 sets from supports just for him, other good DD can get better numbers, who did the work !
"Other MUST give me sustain"
They must not - even without people like this - pass is even simpker by 11 people run than 11+ 1 meta like this.
Eso's group dynamics are determined by the players, healers run sets that support the group Beacuse for most people a zouple of heal over times are already more than enough to stay alive.
Tanks run support sets, Beacuse you can acquire the required "tankiness", without running selfish or defensive sets.
If you need to run a selfish build, that's your problem, if your group is fine with it no problem.
But don't blame others if they have certain expectations from you that you can't/won't meet.
You write about tankeness, do you play tank ? Tank was my main.
Becouse of peoples not clever actions i decided that it is more simple to play DD.
But i really like tanks, so i always will wish best for them.
You can tank on DD by the way, i can do it, in meta with 1 minute boss kill DD can do it.
Will you try if community decide you should do it and have enough tankeness ?
It must be healthy logick, not community decided. 2% of this community really pass, but 98% of others always decided.
Im playing with guildmates, friends, few who have tank - they rarely run all tankly ses at once
one of them have done triple with 3dd run on stone garden, this was the only place where he needed to go full tank, selfish sets becaus eof last boss hm
in every other content they are runniing with max sinsgle tankly sets and rest for support dps if nto all sets to support
for now basic set is yolnahkrin because it is heavy, 2nd is depending on how hard content is...but as for like diffucuilty...for icreach etc with hm ofc....they will wear as 2nd set olorime or alkosh if there will by synergies just tu support dps more and they are fine with their skill and tankniess in their setups
Another place where needed bit selfish and heal support is tanking vFV HM
right, I forgot this dung because it is not new and we have no reason to run it for to long xD but yes
in overall there is not so much of content in this game where exp tank will need to use fully his selfish setup to stay alive, 95% of content here if not more is enough for tank to run with just 1 tank set to stay alive and rest for support as for exp tank0 -
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PC performance has zero effect on my ESO gameplay because I have a strong PC. If people have fps problems, easiest solution is turn down settings while inside trials and dungeons. Many endgamers do it.It is funny to hear about PC perfomance have no effect on your play it really does.
High ping is not a big problem for dps. I live 8000+ km from europe (I play on EU server, it's the closer one) and my best ping is 170. Entire last month I had ~300 ping at all times. I still do pretty high dps both on dummy parses and in trials with my magSorc. Just recently did 60k dps in vSS 1st boss hardmode with 300+ ping, raid dummy dps 100k+ (ping was 280+).
Non-stop ping spikes (ping jumping) however, is a problem. If your ISP is solid and you don't live on the other side of the world from the server, you shouldn't have ping spikes (unless ofc ESO servers are having a heart attack ). If you came up with a heavy attack oriented build to counter that, nicely done. Still doesn't make sense to demonize meta builds.
Copying meta setups and expecting high results is not gonna work most of the time, yes. But anyone with a brain and willingness to get better will either practice more with same setup, or will try different setups, might even ask more experienced people. Content creators and meta build makers receive a lot of support and followers because this game lacks proper in-game guides and combat balance is always changing.Some times meta will not even work !
It is wrong copy it with no thinking !
It is not even healthy for the game, itmake bad players, casuals, brainless people.
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AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭NEMESIS_97 wrote: »Give a beginner a sharp sword and he will cut himself with it. It's not the blacksmith's fault for making a sharp sword, it's the beginner's fault for not practicing with a wooden sword first.
Replace sharp sword with endgame meta build, blacksmith with theorycrafter, wooden sword with beginner friendly build.
So all they do is give sharp blades of bad quality to beginners.
Because not beginners do not buy there stuff, they use guns.
It is not there fault or beginners.
We get what we get, i just show the situation.
so we are still with topic of content creators yes?
so they create videos, builds mainly for endgame...mostly they have in descrpition for what lvl it is and they cant know what people will watch them and then copy
they can guess just anybody can look at this but they aren't aware, when and who will actually copy them in 100%
this is not their fault someone without exp will look at their build and 100% copy paste it without experience
as you say this is not beginners fault because they took to sharp sword for start
same it is not content creators fault because theyr dont control who actually will take this sharp blade
I will add to it this is more of these beginners thing, fault or not or just unawarness of their inexperience because (theoretically) beginners should know theyr are not that eexp for endgame so they should be aware they need more practise, get more experience before touching very sharp sword
thats just thing there is no overall/general/total (or how else name it) mentor for everyone, just nobody is monitored by mentor/teacher/parent who will take care of him and stop from things for which he is not ready yet so people should have self awarness, self-restraint from to hard/to complicated things if they are still beginners without much exp, this is on them without control of anyone if they will took wooden sword for start of practise or instantly sharp sword and then be suprised they maked bad move and lost hand because they didnt know anything how they shold have used it and they didn't have anyone to control them to not touch it yet, they are on their self
I can not say for your country, but you can not buy weapon in our country. For this you need paper from doctor and paper that you know how to use it.
Even i just do not people some build i tell him how and where it have to work.
Now situation looks for me like:
Some player is dead and he say it is my fault that i am alive and do not play META.
They think that other players MUST do some thing for them.
No they must not.
If you want as example tank support you - HEAL tank.
If you do less damage do mechaniks ! Or why are some DD so proud there DPS when just stand and hit dummy like ?
Did you run portal ? No
Did you kill ads m ? No
Did you buff group ? No
What did you do ? Stand in AOE and DPS boss.
With 2 sets from supports just for him, other good DD can get better numbers, who did the work !
"Other MUST give me sustain"
They must not - even without people like this - pass is even simpker by 11 people run than 11+ 1 meta like this.
Eso's group dynamics are determined by the players, healers run sets that support the group Beacuse for most people a zouple of heal over times are already more than enough to stay alive.
Tanks run support sets, Beacuse you can acquire the required "tankiness", without running selfish or defensive sets.
If you need to run a selfish build, that's your problem, if your group is fine with it no problem.
But don't blame others if they have certain expectations from you that you can't/won't meet.
You write about tankeness, do you play tank ? Tank was my main.
Becouse of peoples not clever actions i decided that it is more simple to play DD.
But i really like tanks, so i always will wish best for them.
You can tank on DD by the way, i can do it, in meta with 1 minute boss kill DD can do it.
Will you try if community decide you should do it and have enough tankeness ?
It must be healthy logick, not community decided. 2% of this community really pass, but 98% of others always decided.
I play all roles..have 3 tanks..2 healers and 12 dps...so your question?about easy play...mastering dps rotation,la wieving and pulling high dps on whole encounter is way harder..from my personal exp..when you learn all roles its goes dd easiest then healer and last tank..when you got familiar with them then situation changes..dps becomes harder then tanking and last healing...when you learn boss/ads mehs and what to do with tank its becomes easy..but sustain high dps in intense battle doing mehs and avoiding dangers with perfect rotation for long duration becomes way harder..
You can have 12 tanks but play all 12 bad, and ?
You have all 3 roll only shows that you play 1 of them 3 times less, what roll is it ?
I can not say anything more when i do not see your current game.
But in my own expirience, people who try to show that they are cool and are really bad always say something like this.
And i have Tank, DD and i can heal. I am really bad healer you know ?
But I only see 8 healers better then my DD healer for 3 years in thus game.
One of them was 500 +- CP.
If other healers are that bad and best group will have one if this good, how bad healing do I get on tank in not top party ? Do not even want to think about it. When in some raid 2 DD and tank have 50% hps.
Some HOF run HM we go to help.
May be healer there had 12 heals each, but why i need to heal on DD to PASS ?
Or all here are top partys with 20 k HPs on heals and 1 kk dps ?
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