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Game full of Bots... and Zos lack of action...
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OkieDokie✭✭✭I think we should create an official topic for this and keep it always on top, demanding an answer about it. It would have (in my opinion) more impact than several few pages topics.
And I agree this is a breaking game issue. I've played another mmorpg for years and bots were a problem there. However, here is different. I felt at the time the company didn't care about the customers but in this game the bot situation is so scandalous that I'm ashamed to say I miss that company right now.People keep saying they heard of a friend of friend of friend of their neighbors that plays a NB and can catch up with dks and sorcs and this guy just never shows up. He would be a rock star if he existed.0 -
Kyotee0071✭✭✭Holycannoli wrote: »Kyotee0071 wrote: »Here's to hoping they get it handled as I really enjoy the game minus the combat animation canceling deal I was brought aware of a few days ago.
What exactly is that?
My post from earlier today. It failed to get a dev's response. But I would advise to read it over, even the comments..lots of good info and needs attention.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/85594/major-combat-flaw-animation-canceling-damage-stacking-devs-please-look-here/p1
I didn't think my hangover was that bad this morning until I spent 10 minutes trying to log into my old Etch-A-Sketch0 -
Etchesketch✭✭✭✭it's the same thing as when the servers go down for maint and then when we log on there is always some clueless banter about how much better it is.....
Because the bots haven't logged back in yet, not because anything was done. Just give it an hour or two and the bots are always back.The number one rule of online gaming is now and has always been, Never play on Patch Day.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ImaginaryDimension wrote: »As I have told you before as long as customers have to pay for this game, ZOS will not ban bots, at least not right away anyway.
Think of it from a financial perspective. I have seen upto 15 bots in a single dungeon, multiply this number by the number of public dungeons + the number of bots that just spam in chat and are not in the dungeons.
For an estimate I'll say that there are 1200 bots online at any given time. This amounts to £60,000 a month from game sales + £10,800 a month from the monthly fee. Let me tell you something from the business side of things, companies stopped caring about their customers a looooong time ago, now it's purely about money and they will try to keep us happy of course but you really believe for a single second that a company is willinging to lose £850,000 a year just to keep us happy?
Well, I know this much. I had set up my account to subscribe for a period of three months after my 30 days were up, and now I've cancelled. That's three bots worth they just lost.
I'll consider re-subbing in a month if they haven't fixed this before my remaining two weeks are up, but there is plenty else out there to do than be disgusted by these exploits every day.
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ImaginaryDimension wrote: »As I have told you before as long as customers have to pay for this game, ZOS will not ban bots, at least not right away anyway.
snipp...
If they don't care as you say, I won't be back when its free to play for sure. In fact, I would rather the game never go free to play. The only problem with the logic you present in this quote is them not caring for real players if they have bots paying their bills. Bots won't make money if there are no actual players to sell to. As it is right now, there are more bots in dungeons than actual players. If it isn't fixed in the next week or so, I'm done.
Yeah so the bots don't care... they will just move to a new mmo lol. Besides not every player is going to leave eso no matter how bad bots are. I am an ex Aion player and trust me that game is dead as you like, only 1000 online at any given time on the eu servers and that game still has hundreds of bots.
As long as a game is still running it will always have bots, just a reduced amount to make up for the lesser player population.
People seem to think that ZOS actually care about their customers... wake the hell up guys didn't even of you study financial studies at school? If banning the bots made them more money, they'd be all over that like a fat kid on cakes.
The only other solution if GM's won't ban the bots to make us happy is for us to demand a financial motive. Great a game shop where we can buy costumes, mounts, pets and I'm sad to say, premium currency.
Now it would be very much in ZOS interest to ban the botters because the money they'll lose from not banning them would be greater than if they banned them.
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I have yet to see obvious bots in game... normal people waiting to kill the boss over and over for loot, yeah... but automated bots, not a single one...
I really wonder where they all go to when I enter a dungeon.... I might have to take a shower I guessThe statement "if you put enough monkeys behind enough typewriters... sooner or later one will produce the works of Shakespeare" has sadly been proven utterly wrong by the internet...1 -
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I am in the same position as you. I canceled three days ago and haven't been to Tamriel since. Between the bots and the players that camp Bosses, I completely lose interest in even loading the game.AlienDiplomat wrote: »Well, I know this much. I had set up my account to subscribe for a period of three months after my 30 days were up, and now I've cancelled. That's three bots worth they just lost.
I'll consider re-subbing in a month if they haven't fixed this before my remaining two weeks are up, but there is plenty else out there to do than be disgusted by these exploits every day.Words contained in posts, at which point I stop reading and will not respond...
Toon / Mana / WoW or any acronym following "In ___" /
Pets (when referring to summoned Daedra) / Any verbiage to express slang (ie, ending in uz,az,..) / Soul Stone
... to be continued.
Now, get off my lawn.0 -
samooryesordb14_ESOSoul Shrivenstefaan.de.wasch1b16_ESO wrote: »I have yet to see obvious bots in game... normal people waiting to kill the boss over and over for loot, yeah... but automated bots, not a single one...
I really wonder where they all go to when I enter a dungeon.... I might have to take a shower I guess
Do you not see all the random "asdjkba" and "qduqns" players wearing nothing but the starter cloth? There are usually 3-5 of them in a small group, usually all Templars that spam that spear thing.
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Etchesketch✭✭✭✭samooryesordb14_ESO wrote: »stefaan.de.wasch1b16_ESO wrote: »I have yet to see obvious bots in game... normal people waiting to kill the boss over and over for loot, yeah... but automated bots, not a single one...
I really wonder where they all go to when I enter a dungeon.... I might have to take a shower I guess
Do you not see all the random "asdjkba" and "qduqns" players wearing nothing but the starter cloth? There are usually 3-5 of them in a small group, usually all Templars that spam that spear thing.
You shouldn't respond to obvious fanboi trolls posting crap like that. The bot thing is soooooo obvious that claims to the opposite, are just laughable.The number one rule of online gaming is now and has always been, Never play on Patch Day.0 -
Kyotee0071✭✭✭stefaan.de.wasch1b16_ESO wrote: »I have yet to see obvious bots in game... normal people waiting to kill the boss over and over for loot, yeah... but automated bots, not a single one...
I really wonder where they all go to when I enter a dungeon.... I might have to take a shower I guess
Theres a vid linked here showing it just from today.
Edited by Kyotee0071 on April 22, 2014 11:51PMI didn't think my hangover was that bad this morning until I spent 10 minutes trying to log into my old Etch-A-Sketch1 -
samooryesordb14_ESO wrote: »stefaan.de.wasch1b16_ESO wrote: »I have yet to see obvious bots in game... normal people waiting to kill the boss over and over for loot, yeah... but automated bots, not a single one...
I really wonder where they all go to when I enter a dungeon.... I might have to take a shower I guess
Do you not see all the random "asdjkba" and "qduqns" players wearing nothing but the starter cloth? There are usually 3-5 of them in a small group, usually all Templars that spam that spear thing.
No, honestly... I have yet to see automated bots... Only time I had a problem was with a few casters standing near the boss that killed it so fast I couldn't get a hit in... I just asked if they'd allow me to hit a few times first before they nuked it's butt into next week which they did... But again, I have yet to see automated bots, and I'm well on my way to Veteran Level 2 having done all solo and public dungeons on the way there...
The statement "if you put enough monkeys behind enough typewriters... sooner or later one will produce the works of Shakespeare" has sadly been proven utterly wrong by the internet...0 -
McmaroneySoul ShrivenThey cound even trace the items the bot gets and ban their main accounts. Another easy thing to do that ZOS is not doing.
Problem with this is John(legit player) wants item in game and has not found said item buys it from Joe blow(bot extraordinaire) and thinks wow I've got me a new item days later ZOS claims the item was boted and bans poor poor Johnnys account who is a legit player that made the mistake of buying the item.
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And another indication that ZOS doesn't care about their customers. For all the bugs and massive amount of downtime and we've not even been given so much as a public apology.
They don't even care enough to say
"Hello everyone, lead developer blah blah here, I just wanted to publically apologise for the extemely unpleasant first experience many of you have had with the game. I would personally like to take responsibity as I believe the launch was rushed a little bit and should have been held off a few more weeks.
We value our customers so as a result we have decided to "blah blah blah" and we will continue to do our best to make your experience with us an enjoyable one. Please understand that me and my team work around the clock to fix any and all bugs reported but please understand that it takes time to release patches.
Once again we appreciate your patience and hope you can continue to be patient for a little longer.
Kind regards,
Lead Developer blah blah
An apology, a sense that someone can hear our cries means a lot... an apology can go a long way to restoring faith. For any developers that read this (if any) I suggest popping over to CCP who run EVE Online for a prime example of good customer service.Edited by ImaginaryDimension on April 22, 2014 11:50PM0 -
Kyotee0071✭✭✭stefaan.de.wasch1b16_ESO wrote: »samooryesordb14_ESO wrote: »stefaan.de.wasch1b16_ESO wrote: »I have yet to see obvious bots in game... normal people waiting to kill the boss over and over for loot, yeah... but automated bots, not a single one...
I really wonder where they all go to when I enter a dungeon.... I might have to take a shower I guess
Do you not see all the random "asdjkba" and "qduqns" players wearing nothing but the starter cloth? There are usually 3-5 of them in a small group, usually all Templars that spam that spear thing.
No, honestly... I have yet to see automated bots... Only time I had a problem was with a few casters standing near the boss that killed it so fast I couldn't get a hit in... I just asked if they'd allow me to hit a few times first before they nuked it's butt into next week which they did... But again, I have yet to see automated bots, and I'm well on my way to Veteran Level 2 having done all solo and public dungeons on the way there...
Fine..Here Proof's in the pudding.
I didn't think my hangover was that bad this morning until I spent 10 minutes trying to log into my old Etch-A-Sketch0 -
Rantog✭✭✭✭ImaginaryDimension wrote: »Think of it from a financial perspective. I have seen upto 15 bots in a single dungeon, multiply this number by the number of public dungeons + the number of bots that just spam in chat and are not in the dungeons.
Now do the actual math.
Assume you're right about the 1200 bot accounts.
They already HAVE the $60,000 that was spent to buy those accounts.
All they can look forward to from them now is $15 for a monthly subscription, which comes out to $18,000
But if they banned them all (I know, but they could get a Lot of them) - that would be another $60,000 instead of $18,000.
So even after taking out the GMs' pay, they are Well Ahead by banning.
And that is before any consideration at all is given to how many Legitimate players will Cancel before they are required to pay a subscription - specifically because these bots and spammers persist.
There is no way to shake the numbers to make it turn out that Keeping these bots and spammers is the Profitable side.
Unless the IGN thing is true... and even then, it would be hard to credit a little positive press with That much value.
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Monsoon✭✭✭I just saw the edited patch notes. So you can t grind dungeon bosses anymore as a player and you have to wait several minutes. This was put in to combat bots. So great... to combat bots you are punishing players who want to grind NPCs...well done, bravo
/endsarcasm
For crying out loud the problem is the bots killing the NPCs. If they can t loot as often they STILL will be killing the NPCs in 1 second. What is wrong with you? I am seriously starting to think that all these ridiculously stupid decisions are made by interns versus by people who are professionalsEdited by Monsoon on April 22, 2014 11:55PM0 -
Kyotee0071 wrote: »stefaan.de.wasch1b16_ESO wrote: »samooryesordb14_ESO wrote: »stefaan.de.wasch1b16_ESO wrote: »I have yet to see obvious bots in game... normal people waiting to kill the boss over and over for loot, yeah... but automated bots, not a single one...
I really wonder where they all go to when I enter a dungeon.... I might have to take a shower I guess
Do you not see all the random "asdjkba" and "qduqns" players wearing nothing but the starter cloth? There are usually 3-5 of them in a small group, usually all Templars that spam that spear thing.
No, honestly... I have yet to see automated bots... Only time I had a problem was with a few casters standing near the boss that killed it so fast I couldn't get a hit in... I just asked if they'd allow me to hit a few times first before they nuked it's butt into next week which they did... But again, I have yet to see automated bots, and I'm well on my way to Veteran Level 2 having done all solo and public dungeons on the way there...
Fine..Here Proof's in the pudding.
I'm not saying that it doesn't happen, just that "I" haven 't seen it yet... maybe you guys are unlucky and I'm very lucky. But you're video shows a few bots... not the 100's of 1000's people keep going on about... I play Domnion on the Euroserver... no idea where you guys play.
The statement "if you put enough monkeys behind enough typewriters... sooner or later one will produce the works of Shakespeare" has sadly been proven utterly wrong by the internet...0 -
Kyotee0071✭✭✭stefaan.de.wasch1b16_ESO wrote: »Kyotee0071 wrote: »stefaan.de.wasch1b16_ESO wrote: »samooryesordb14_ESO wrote: »stefaan.de.wasch1b16_ESO wrote: »I have yet to see obvious bots in game... normal people waiting to kill the boss over and over for loot, yeah... but automated bots, not a single one...
I really wonder where they all go to when I enter a dungeon.... I might have to take a shower I guess
Do you not see all the random "asdjkba" and "qduqns" players wearing nothing but the starter cloth? There are usually 3-5 of them in a small group, usually all Templars that spam that spear thing.
No, honestly... I have yet to see automated bots... Only time I had a problem was with a few casters standing near the boss that killed it so fast I couldn't get a hit in... I just asked if they'd allow me to hit a few times first before they nuked it's butt into next week which they did... But again, I have yet to see automated bots, and I'm well on my way to Veteran Level 2 having done all solo and public dungeons on the way there...
Fine..Here Proof's in the pudding.
I'm not saying that it doesn't happen, just that "I" haven 't seen it yet... maybe you guys are unlucky and I'm very lucky. But you're video shows a few bots... not the 100's of 1000's people keep going on about... I play Domnion on the Euroserver... no idea where you guys play.
Maybe you do just need a shower. I only go into public dungeons looking and smelling my best!
I didn't think my hangover was that bad this morning until I spent 10 minutes trying to log into my old Etch-A-Sketch0 -
Monsoon✭✭✭The question ZOS should be answering NOW is : Why the **** are there no GMs in the game banning bots? Why? why why why why why?0
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Rantog✭✭✭✭Reignskream wrote: »What's Also funny?
How when the bots got really bad a couple years ago...
WoW LOST more subscribers - than ESO even HAS.
You're welcome to continue thinking it's all rainbows and kittens, but reality isn't that nice. WoW lost almost 6 Million subs in less than a year. Ask Zenimax how many they have, total.
I guess i can't argue that because according to you, I think this all is merely just rainbows and kittens.
Thats my que, as nobody can hold a constructive conversation in this thread without criticism because they're so threatened by anothers opinion. Bots will be dealt with how ZOS will deal with them, time will tell.
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Threatened? Hardly.
You made the comment that it was "Funny that wow...."
so I responded in kind.
You are referencing the very point at which WoW lost nearly 6 million players - which was a headline article in most of the major gaming magazine, websites, blogs and vlogs. You are already aware of the losses.
Does that mean ESO will lose 6 million? No.. because it is less about the hard total than the portion of the population in the genra.
But there is also the dedication factor - WoW had Years to latch on to the players they lost. Hundreds upon hundreds of played hours of character development, camping rare items, achievements... Harder to walk away from than a game that has been up a couple of weeks - and already has far more, and far more obvious Bots than WoW EVER had.
ESO has not had time to get people seriously invested, and is exhibiting the problem to a degree WoW never suffered - so the Portion that will leave is likely Much higher.
How many do you think they can lose before ESO has to either go F2P or shut down? 100k? 500k? 1 million?
If the loss of accounts were in the Same proportion that WoW suffered - it will be more like 2 or 2.5 million leaving.
All for their determined efforts to create something no one has been able to create - in over 20 years of MMOs. A reliable Automated banning system for hacks, bots, and spammers.
The closest anyone ever came was PunkBuster - and we all know how "reliable" that can be.0 -
Kyotee0071 wrote: »Maybe you do just need a shower. I only go into public dungeons looking and smelling my best!
Personaly I just kill every cave boss once and move on... must be all the blood and gore caked to my armor that's driving them off. I'm much rather move on to the next dungeon instead of waiting to finaly see a bot
The statement "if you put enough monkeys behind enough typewriters... sooner or later one will produce the works of Shakespeare" has sadly been proven utterly wrong by the internet...1 -
Colbane✭✭stefaan.de.wasch1b16_ESO wrote: »I have yet to see obvious bots in game... normal people waiting to kill the boss over and over for loot, yeah... but automated bots, not a single one...
I really wonder where they all go to when I enter a dungeon.... I might have to take a shower I guess
Do you want screenshots of whole groups of bots running around with names like Aaxxzz and Ffttyy? Are you just blind or are you one of the culprits? There are more bots RIGHT now in the Glenumbra Ebon dungeon than actual players. I saw two GROUPS of bots running a patrol killing NPCs. These bots all move and turn at the same time and had names like my example above. This is a huge problem, even if you fail to see it.Edited by Colbane on April 23, 2014 12:16AM0 -
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Since Del's Claim is being perma botted 24/7 in every phase at any time, I highly doubt that.0 -
Kyotee0071✭✭✭stefaan.de.wasch1b16_ESO wrote: »Kyotee0071 wrote: »Maybe you do just need a shower. I only go into public dungeons looking and smelling my best!
Personaly I just kill every cave boss once and move on... must be all the blood and gore caked to my armor that's driving them off. I'm much rather move on to the next dungeon instead of waiting to finaly see a bot
Fair enough, I bet the bots flee in terror at the very sound of your gore covered armor treading down the dark, foggy stairs into the abyss. Stories are told to their children, and their children's children, of the terror you spread. As a matter a fact, they only dare whisper your name..."Stinky Stefaan The Swift", you're there, there's blood, then you're gone in a flash!I didn't think my hangover was that bad this morning until I spent 10 minutes trying to log into my old Etch-A-Sketch1 -
pxtc_ESO✭✭✭Bots are a big problem. Don't take any action and I'll just cancel my sub after 30 days. No big deal to me. There are plenty of games I can spend my money on.2 -
Rantog✭✭✭✭Bots are a big problem. Don't take any action and I'll just cancel my sub after 30 days. No big deal to me. There are plenty of games I can spend my money on.
Agree.. heck we should get a campaign going to drag anyone who quits here to Vanguard - and force Sony to keep it going. hehe
It had a similar bad start, but just in the broken system/bugs department.
The reputation they developed from those unfixed bugs and systems for the first couple of months - kept the game from ever flourishing, despite the fact it offered things no other game ever has.. (diplomacy for example)
Zenimax is striving for the same result it seems - endless bots and spammers, and no in-game action to remedy the problem. An attempted Automated solution - banning hundreds of Legitimate users... without explanation - then a single canned apology that still didn't indicate How it was we were targeted.
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Etchesketch✭✭✭✭Bots are a big problem. Don't take any action and I'll just cancel my sub after 30 days. No big deal to me. There are plenty of games I can spend my money on.
This is the problem. A very good percentage of young/new players will feel the same way and the community will decline, not increase. Game over.The number one rule of online gaming is now and has always been, Never play on Patch Day.1 -
Kyotee0071✭✭✭Etchesketch wrote: »Bots are a big problem. Don't take any action and I'll just cancel my sub after 30 days. No big deal to me. There are plenty of games I can spend my money on.
This is the problem. A very good percentage of young/new players will feel the same way and the community will decline, not increase. Game over.
I'm not certain what the "young/new" comment implies. I'm 43, been playing MMORPGS for 15 years straight for entertainment. I have canceled my sub. I plan to keep playing until my time runs out. But being a successful business owner, sometimes the only way to get a company's attention is in their wallet.
If the game get's better, I'll immediately resub and not miss a second of playtime. If not, There are other options. I am hoping this game gets better though as I really see the potential here. But without decent customer support it is hard for anything thing subscription based to thrive.Edited by Kyotee0071 on April 23, 2014 12:32AMI didn't think my hangover was that bad this morning until I spent 10 minutes trying to log into my old Etch-A-Sketch0 -
Though I abhor cheaters my real issue with the botters is that they take away from my ability to play the game. Every dungeon ( and I mean every one ) that I've been in so far has had multiple bots all doing the exact same thing at the exact same time preventing me from getting hits on the boss and taking out the enemies I need for my quests.
This issue MUST be addressed.1