Paying a handful of GMs to casually stroll through dungeons and ban obvious botters is a drop in the bucket pay wise compared to what they are raking in. We're talking about a $10/hr job here, not a $60k/yr or better job.

It wouldn't get rid of anywhere near close of all the bots, but it would make a dent that would make the game playable for now.

Etchesketch wrote: »

For all you apologists out there... you are wrong. If they don't get rid of the bots now, the game is doomed.

Keep on with your unrealistic view of the game, but this bot situation is NOTHING like wow or any other game. That's blatant stupid fanboism if you think it is.

NOTHING like this has ever been seen before. Show me one video where this is even remotely close to the camped bots of this game.

They can fix it, unfortunately it would require effort. I don't think we will see that effort anytime soon, and that's too bad, cause the life of a game these days is about 2 months. If you can't get your game to a place where people keep joining, it stagnates and then dies.

Funny how WoW is still thriving and has 5+ bots in pvp matches at times. It's all in the matter of time, and i highly doubt they're going to let ESO be over run by bots lol. --Now i will give WoW where credit is due, and those bots get banned quickly, ofcourse they had 10 yrs to perfect this.

Eso has been live for less than a month.

again with the wow crap.

The bots you talk about are in BG and have little to no effect in game with players joining the game.

This crap in the public dungeon Is what new players see within minutes of getting to the first area of play.

I've played wow since day one of Cenarion Circle. I've never even seen a bot. The ones I ran across in BG don't really affect me. They certainly didn't change anything in the PVE world at all.

Etchesketch wrote: »

again with the wow crap.

The bots you talk about are in BG and have little to no effect in game with players joining the game.

This crap in the public dungeon Is what new players see within minutes of getting to the first area of play.

I've played wow since day one of Cenarion Circle. I've never even seen a bot. The ones I ran across in BG don't really affect me. They certainly didn't change anything in the PVE world at all.

Its the same concept, bots are bots, and they hinder game-play, whether they're in pvp, or not. My point i was making that you clearly missed, was bots are in top notch MMO's these days still. So demanding this and that is not going to work friend. We just have to be patient and give ZOS time to build up the things they need to. People pretend ZOS is at the pub drinking brew and eating fried zuchinni or something, because things arent being fixed on a dime.

things arent going to be fixed like that, ESPECIALLY, bots.

Reignskream wrote: »

Etchesketch wrote: »

again with the wow crap.

The bots you talk about are in BG and have little to no effect in game with players joining the game.

This crap in the public dungeon Is what new players see within minutes of getting to the first area of play.

I've played wow since day one of Cenarion Circle. I've never even seen a bot. The ones I ran across in BG don't really affect me. They certainly didn't change anything in the PVE world at all.

Its the same concept, bots are bots, and they hinder game-play, whether they're in pvp, or not. My point i was making that you clearly missed, was bots are in top notch MMO's these days still. So demanding this and that is not going to work friend. We just have to be patient and give ZOS time to build up the things they need to.

Sorry but it's not the same at all.

ZoS put this into the game. They have to fix it. It's a game breaking issue that kills the game for new players right away.

The public dungeons bots are by no means the only bots in the game, they are just the ones breaking it.

Again, my problem is that you want to throw out WoW as your argument. It's old.

Wow doesn't have a bot problem even remotely close to what this public dungeon problem is.

Sorry if you can't see this.

Etchesketch wrote: »

Reignskream wrote: »

Etchesketch wrote: »

again with the wow crap.

The bots you talk about are in BG and have little to no effect in game with players joining the game.

This crap in the public dungeon Is what new players see within minutes of getting to the first area of play.

I've played wow since day one of Cenarion Circle. I've never even seen a bot. The ones I ran across in BG don't really affect me. They certainly didn't change anything in the PVE world at all.

Its the same concept, bots are bots, and they hinder game-play, whether they're in pvp, or not. My point i was making that you clearly missed, was bots are in top notch MMO's these days still. So demanding this and that is not going to work friend. We just have to be patient and give ZOS time to build up the things they need to.

Sorry but it's not the same at all.

ZoS put this into the game. They have to fix it. It's a game breaking issue that kills the game for new players right away.

The public dungeons bots are by no means the only bots in the game, they are just the ones breaking it.

Again, my problem is that you want to throw out WoW as your argument. It's old.

Wow doesn't have a bot problem even remotely close to what this public dungeon problem is.

Sorry if you can't see this.

The reason WoW doesn't have a bot problem like this is because it has had 10 years to get a good system in place to stop bots. Bots were a much bigger issue in WoW around release. It probably still has one of the larger bot/farmer populations of western MMOs. If this game was 10 years old it also would not have much of a bot problem due to having the time to put a good system in place.

The issue here is time. You want an immediate fix and that is simply impossible. Fixes for these things take time. You want the polish and anti bot systems of a 10 year MMO on a new MMO? YOu better be willing to give that new MMO time.

Saerydoth wrote: »

Actually, they very stealthily put a timer on the public dungeon loot last night. Apparently now you can only get loot from public dungeon bosses once every 3 minutes. The bots are already starting to clear out of there, because it's not profitable for them. No doubt they will find other places to farm, but for now at least, it looks like they won't be concentrating in the public dungeons anymore, which should make them MUCH less annoying.

This will not get rid of bots, not by a long shot - but it is a good first step.

They're not Clearing Out - they're pausing to rewrite their bot scripts to log between characters - meaning they suffer almost No penalties, while Real Players suffer the Full Brunt of the timer.

Milanna wrote: »

Reignskream wrote: »

I never told anybody they were wrong, and it doesn't matter, because as soon as i even mentioned defending zos a little, i was harassed for a good half an hour. Back on OP please, no need to discuss this crap, its in the past. Let it stay.

I think you should keep your head out of the chopping block. It´s a touchy subject at the moment. Let ZOS defend themselves

Very true, and i appreciate your input, as i should have just been quiet. but I'm not one to back down when people give me a hard time for posting my opinion. As mine is just as valid as anybody elses.

Noth wrote: »

Completely unrealistic. GMs will not be able to ban fast enough. Further hiring GMs to do such takes time.

There is realism and idealism. Guess which one occurs more in the real world.

And just How is it unrealistic, and What, prey tell - is going to slow the bans down?

Honestly, the only reason to make such statements is to protect your botting efforts - because it takes all of ONE spawn of a boss to see who the bots are.

-- and after that there are Endless options to prove it.

Eg.. add a spell, GM only, that conjures a U-shaped Railing for 5 minutes.

GM - conjures it with the open end facing Away from the boss spawn, and far enough away that anyone standing in it can't Reach the boss' spawn.

REAL players would simply walk out of it.
Scripted BOTS - would try to run toward the boss unaware, or would use a teleport hack to warp to the boss spawn point.
- - either way, they prove themselves and are BANNED.

Eventually the Bot operators would learn to script their way out of the structure, but there are - as I said - endless ways to prove it.
And none of it requires any Punishment of legitimate players to accomplish.

Being moved into a U and forced to walk out of it ... vs forced to twiddle your thumbs after each boss fails to drop the item you're there for...
I know what I'd rather.

Rantog wrote: »

Noth wrote: »

Completely unrealistic. GMs will not be able to ban fast enough. Further hiring GMs to do such takes time.

There is realism and idealism. Guess which one occurs more in the real world.

And just How is it unrealistic, and What, prey tell - is going to slow the bans down?

Honestly, the only reason to make such statements is to protect your botting efforts - because it takes all of ONE spawn of a boss to see who the bots are.

-- and after that there are Endless options to prove it.

Eg.. add a spell, GM only, that conjures a U-shaped Railing for 5 minutes.

GM - conjures it with the open end facing Away from the boss spawn, and far enough away that anyone standing in it can't Reach the boss' spawn.

REAL players would simply walk out of it.
Scripted BOTS - would try to run toward the boss unaware, or would use a teleport hack to warp to the boss spawn point.
- - either way, they prove themselves and are BANNED.

Eventually the Bot operators would learn to script their way out of the structure, but there are - as I said - endless ways to prove it.
And none of it requires any Punishment of legitimate players to accomplish.

Being moved into a U and forced to walk out of it ... vs forced to twiddle your thumbs after each boss fails to drop the item you're there for...
I know what I'd rather.

They wouldn't be able to ban fast enough because there simply are not enough GMs and hiring more takes time. Further writing an ability like that takes time so you'd just get into a one-upping match with a couple bot programmers. Also any bot banned would be replaced in a couple hours if that. Meaning very little in the long run.

Proper systems ban bots much quicker and can often ban them before they even get to the level where they can bot effectively.

Essentially, GMs are just a faster reactive action, but still ultimately futile in doing what the community wants. You need a proactive solution and that comes with something that takes time to develop.

Darzil wrote: »

Well, today in Deshaan the bots in dungeons were hideous. Still, at least found a good way to get credit. Spam restoration staff heal over times, you'll get heals on most of the bots and thus credit when the kill the boss. Very handy when the boss dies to a single bot attack, as they'll do that before the boss is even drawn by the graphics card! When it needs two bot attacks you can get an instant in in time.

I was able to do that on the lower level bosses - where they lived long enough to Damage the bots.

But you get equal points for points.. One point of Healed damage = One point of damage to the mob that dealt it.
Once you get enough bots - or high enough bots, that they kill the boss before it harms them, you're healing 0 and getting 0 credit.

I would say they need to make it so that Any harm counts as a kill credit, but that would be too easy to exploit on out-of-level low characters, or adding 50 bots on a spawn.

As I have told you before as long as customers have to pay for this game, ZOS will not ban bots, at least not right away anyway.

Think of it from a financial perspective. I have seen upto 15 bots in a single dungeon, multiply this number by the number of public dungeons + the number of bots that just spam in chat and are not in the dungeons.

For an estimate I'll say that there are 1200 bots online at any given time. This amounts to £60,000 a month from game sales + £10,800 a month from the monthly fee. Let me tell you something from the business side of things, companies stopped caring about their customers a looooong time ago, now it's purely about money and they will try to keep us happy of course but you really believe for a single second that a company is willinging to lose £850,000 a year just to keep us happy?

F2P games actually have let botters from my personal experience of playing them, because F2P games have stores and the last thing they want is people buying gold/items from goldsellers and not from their own store.

ZOS will *** the community off so much that a lot of players will leave, the game will go F2P then and ONLY then will we see rapid action against botters.

P.S This is just for EU server. Both servers you're looking at a loss of about £1.7m profit. No company in their right mind would loose that much money to make customers "happy"

It's not just the bots that is the problem, which is a major problem. It's also the speed hacks, the port hacks, the invisible hacks they are using. If they are allowed to use them in game, what's stopping the PVP people (the best part of this game according to many) to use the same hacks? A game that allows such things is Doomed, like other posters have said.

Here's to hoping they get it handled as I really enjoy the game minus the combat animation canceling deal I was brought aware of a few days ago.

And to the poster above me, I have already canceled. When they banned me for no reason the other night, I'm still recovering. That was stressful. I plan to keep playing until my playtime is up. Then decide from there rather to renew or give Wildstar a shot.

Kyotee0071 wrote: »

Here's to hoping they get it handled as I really enjoy the game minus the combat animation canceling deal I was brought aware of a few days ago.

What exactly is that?