Hey, I can feel for you having to wait 2 weeks but we poor console players wait well over a month most of the time. Heck we don’t even have a regular schedule update process.

JhonathanD wrote: »

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

Hey, I can feel for you having to wait 2 weeks but we poor console players wait well over a month most of the time. Heck we don’t even have a regular schedule update process.

All this again shows the attitude towards their customers.

That or it shows the complacency that they don't take player feedback into consideration with gamebreaking bugs until it's too late. But with a kill all button in their testing environments, they probably would never have spotted a lot of these bugs anyways.

JhonathanD wrote: »

The fact that you so quickly fixed the moments with the non-working Crown Store (in the first place) showed everything.

now this?
this gets on my nerves.

are you just being crass on purpose, or do you legitimately think that the nature of crown store issues is in any way comparable to real gameplay bugs? or that the same team is responsible for both? and their boss trudges over, put his hands on their shoulders and whispers suavely: "you better fix the crown store right *** now. i don't care if players crash the moment they step in a dungeon. i want that crown store up and running pronto!"
so of course, the poor sods, all dozens of coders, sob on their keyboards as they work overtime, just to fix that damn crown store.

is that what you think happens?
or are you just bashing on ZOS (which are, in my opinion as well, monetizing aggressively)?
and you know that, in reality, the nature of these issues is vastly different, and different people work on them, therefore the crown store being fixed first is not because they prioritized it agaist everything else... but frankly, most likely because it was disabled due to one of these reasons:
-an exploit
-an issue with billing
-an issue with item delivery

none of these are meatballs stuck in the spaghetti code.
most of these can be fixed by any coder with decent experience.

so please, put two braincells together before you cry into the sky "oh but of course they fixed the crown store first!"
IT'S EASIER!

JhonathanD wrote: »

Muttsmutt wrote: »

JhonathanD wrote: »

The fact that you so quickly fixed the moments with the non-working Crown Store (in the first place) showed everything.

now this?
this gets on my nerves.

are you just being crass on purpose, or do you legitimately think that the nature of crown store issues is in any way comparable to real gameplay bugs? or that the same team is responsible for both? and their boss trudges over, put his hands on their shoulders and whispers suavely: "you better fix the crown store right *** now. i don't care if players crash the moment they step in a dungeon. i want that crown store up and running pronto!"
so of course, the poor sods, all dozens of coders, sob on their keyboards as they work overtime, just to fix that damn crown store.

is that what you think happens?
or are you just bashing on ZOS (which are, in my opinion as well, monetizing aggressively)?
and you know that, in reality, the nature of these issues is vastly different, and different people work on them, therefore the crown store being fixed first is not because they prioritized it agaist everything else... but frankly, most likely because it was disabled due to one of these reasons:
-an exploit
-an issue with billing
-an issue with item delivery

none of these are meatballs stuck in the spaghetti code.
most of these can be fixed by any coder with decent experience.

so please, put two braincells together before you cry into the sky "oh but of course they fixed the crown store first!"
IT'S EASIER!

This does not change the essence of the topic, I do not want to wait two weeks until the errors are corrected, I do not care what problems they have and how many people are responsible for certain aspects. I am a customer who has spent enough money on this product, and I demand quality, not a forced vacation.

yeah, that part i agree with, that's why i didn't say anything regarding that.
it is unacceptable that the product they sell be broken so deeply for so long.
however, again, like all things, it has a cause beyond just "ZOS is spiteful" or anything like that.
that cause may be incompetence, bureaucracy, or poor management. who knows.
nobody wants to sell a broken product. nobody wants to have a broken game.
let's not forget that ESO is probably the largest, most complex MMO on the market.
whatever happens to it, be it good or bad, is the result of a very intricate, complex system.
i do not think the buggy launch or the two weeks to fix it are acceptable.
but let's not get so riled up over it, and understand that it has a cause beyond "ZOS bad".
we've got other things to do in the meantime.
vote with your time & your wallet.
if nov revenue dips (and it will),
that's hard data for ZOS.
that they can't ignore.

Muttsmutt wrote: »

JhonathanD wrote: »

Muttsmutt wrote: »

JhonathanD wrote: »

The fact that you so quickly fixed the moments with the non-working Crown Store (in the first place) showed everything.

now this?
this gets on my nerves.

are you just being crass on purpose, or do you legitimately think that the nature of crown store issues is in any way comparable to real gameplay bugs? or that the same team is responsible for both? and their boss trudges over, put his hands on their shoulders and whispers suavely: "you better fix the crown store right *** now. i don't care if players crash the moment they step in a dungeon. i want that crown store up and running pronto!"
so of course, the poor sods, all dozens of coders, sob on their keyboards as they work overtime, just to fix that damn crown store.

is that what you think happens?
or are you just bashing on ZOS (which are, in my opinion as well, monetizing aggressively)?
and you know that, in reality, the nature of these issues is vastly different, and different people work on them, therefore the crown store being fixed first is not because they prioritized it agaist everything else... but frankly, most likely because it was disabled due to one of these reasons:
-an exploit
-an issue with billing
-an issue with item delivery

none of these are meatballs stuck in the spaghetti code.
most of these can be fixed by any coder with decent experience.

so please, put two braincells together before you cry into the sky "oh but of course they fixed the crown store first!"
IT'S EASIER!

This does not change the essence of the topic, I do not want to wait two weeks until the errors are corrected, I do not care what problems they have and how many people are responsible for certain aspects. I am a customer who has spent enough money on this product, and I demand quality, not a forced vacation.

yeah, that part i agree with, that's why i didn't say anything regarding that.
it is unacceptable that the product they sell be broken so deeply for so long.
however, again, like all things, it has a cause beyond just "ZOS is spiteful" or anything like that.
that cause may be incompetence, bureaucracy, or poor management. who knows.
nobody wants to sell a broken product. nobody wants to have a broken game.
let's not forget that ESO is probably the largest, most complex MMO on the market.
whatever happens to it, be it good or bad, is the result of a very intricate, complex system.
i do not think the buggy launch or the two weeks to fix it are acceptable.
but let's not get so riled up over it, and understand that it has a cause beyond "ZOS bad".
we've got other things to do in the meantime.
vote with your time & your wallet.
if nov revenue dips (and it will),
that's hard data for ZOS.
that they can't ignore.

I haven’t bought a new DLS, haven’t renewed my subscription (in advance, as I was 100% sure that there will be problems, at least for a month) I go into the game only to make craft daily, and even then not always.

And I try, with this topic, to call people to some kind of action

EdmondDontes wrote: »

How many of the lag and other performance issues are the result of moving so many calculations server side to accommodate Stadia and other hardware weak platforms?

If the representatives of the management deign to answer, they will say that there are no problems with Stadia. And in general it has nothing to do with it

The rush to put out beta DLCs is a marketing/finance decision and not a developer decision. With the sale of the company to Microsoft, the focus is going to be on maximizing profits until the sale is completed. There may even be a clause in the sale agreement the gives bonuses to upper management if they exceed revenue targets over the next year, which the Stadia deal may help.

What needs to happen is to halt putting out new content. The focus needs to be on fixing the numerous problems that players are currently experiencing, some of which have been with the game since the beginning. There needs to be more transparency between ZeniMax and the players. Giving updates up at the top of the General Discussion forum is a good first step. But there needs to be more information shared as to why long term bugs remain and what if anything, the company is doing to fix them. Sticker books and antiquities are nice to have but they are not the game and we all did fine without them. It is time to focus, as they say in football, on the blocking and tackling or this game is going not reach its 10th anniversary. I suspect Microsoft would not be pleased if this was to happen.

I have lived through every update. Even the fabled Clockwork city infinite loadscreens. But what I have seen from markarth makes me very worried.

@ZOS_ConnorG @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Why doesn't ZOS say anything about the fact that bugs were reported on PTS, were pushed to live together with the DLC, are now suddenly fixed and tested within days and we still have to wait for more than a week?

The game is broken. Raidgroups are cancelling raids and you are not even trying to make your paying customers feel like their opinion matters.

Said it before and I'll say it again: Anyone with the slightest regard for their customers would have told Google to take a flying f*** when they demanded the two-week update schedule. Such a person would have had no choice.

Jaraal wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Said it before and I'll say it again: Anyone with the slightest regard for their customers would have told Google to take a flying f*** when they demanded the two-week update schedule. Such a person would have had no choice.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

If an emergency arises, we’ll of course work with Stadia to get a patch published ASAP. So in general, PC incrementals will now occur bi-weekly, but if needed, we can update quickly.

They could fix it right away.... it's just not important enough to them.


https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/530103/changes-to-pc-incremental-patch-cadence#latest

For the first five years of this game, Update Day was followed by Emergency Patch Day within the next couple of days. Pretty much every single time. What's different this time around?

NekoN3ko wrote: »

You can't just push code without permission or whatever policies imposed on them. Either way things got more complex over at ZOS.

That's really cute, but the bugs we're talking about were known. They were reported on PTS.

Just reserve some releases X days after a new DLC. They know they always have something to fix. Always.

Unsubscribed my Eso+

Won't be giving my money to a company that displays this kind of attitude to it's loyal customer base. I have said this previously and i will say it again, i have NEVER played an MMO that encounters the sheer amount of broken content that ESO does at EVERY single patch.

BazOfWar wrote: »

Unsubscribed my Eso+

Won't be giving my money to a company that displays this kind of attitude to it's loyal customer base. I have said this previously and i will say it again, i have NEVER played an MMO that encounters the sheer amount of broken content that ESO does at EVERY single patch.

Agreed. No more money it's pointless.

BrownChicken wrote: »

There is a positive side. My ping now, even in trials, rarely rises above the minimum values (116-130ms) and fps rarely stays below 60. I have not been to Cyrodiil yet, but all pve works fine. I'm afraid that after fixing light attacks everything will become worse as it was. Perhaps ZOS should pay more attention to the code at this point.

This is all because a very large number of people do not play TESO now, so there is less load on the server))))