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Game full of Bots... and Zos lack of action...
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The game is full of bots. Each time you enter a dungeon, ANY dungeon -even the lvl 40 ones- you see them there camping the bosses, and farming gold and exp. Now, we are not talking about the bots that actually act like humans and which are difficult to spot. We are talking about *** obvious bots that we all know where to find them.
I think there is a serious issue here. And this issue is not the bots themselves -since every mmorpg have them-, but that Zeni/Bethesda seem not care at all about them. They can't say they don't know about them, they can't say they are difficult to fight. The solution is to just send one GM to go daily to every dungeon and start baning all the bots he finds, it's the easiest thing ever, really. Just ONE person is required for the job, and they won't do it.
This makes me think Zeni/Bethesda either don't give a ***, or they actually support this. After all, how are they allowed to have such an obvious immunity?
We, as honest players, should raise our voice and protest against this, it's completely unfair and unsportslike. We are paying a lot of money to play this game, and the dev companies can't put ONE guy to ban bot accounts? Come on, something's clearly not right here, don't you think?
EDIT: For people saying that ZOS is taking measures and that bot-baning is not an easy thing to do. I was a bot baning GM in Ragnarok Online for almost 2 years, this is the procedure you follow, as a GM:
You just walk into the dungeon and whisper to the bot "Mr askjdalksdjasdk -typical name of the bots- I'm from the Staff, please answer to me or your account might get baned." "I just saw you killing that boss, I know you are there, please asnwer to me." *keeps talking to him for 5 minutes in different chats*. After 5 minutes of no answer, you ban him and take screenshot for when the bot owner comes to complain to the forums. If you want to avoid people arguing that they were not paying attention to the chat window, you just teleport the player to somewhere else and keep talking to him until you got the proof he's a bot. Always take screenshots of everything. Done. It's as simple as that. One person could do the job, in less than a week, he could have the server cleaned -at least the dungeon bots-. It's really the easiest thing in the world. I can assure you ZOS is not taking measures at all or we wouldn't be seing so many bots out there, it simply won't be worth it, since each account costs 60 bucks.
I think there is a serious issue here. And this issue is not the bots themselves -since every mmorpg have them-, but that Zeni/Bethesda seem not care at all about them. They can't say they don't know about them, they can't say they are difficult to fight. The solution is to just send one GM to go daily to every dungeon and start baning all the bots he finds, it's the easiest thing ever, really. Just ONE person is required for the job, and they won't do it.
This makes me think Zeni/Bethesda either don't give a ***, or they actually support this. After all, how are they allowed to have such an obvious immunity?
We, as honest players, should raise our voice and protest against this, it's completely unfair and unsportslike. We are paying a lot of money to play this game, and the dev companies can't put ONE guy to ban bot accounts? Come on, something's clearly not right here, don't you think?
EDIT: For people saying that ZOS is taking measures and that bot-baning is not an easy thing to do. I was a bot baning GM in Ragnarok Online for almost 2 years, this is the procedure you follow, as a GM:
You just walk into the dungeon and whisper to the bot "Mr askjdalksdjasdk -typical name of the bots- I'm from the Staff, please answer to me or your account might get baned." "I just saw you killing that boss, I know you are there, please asnwer to me." *keeps talking to him for 5 minutes in different chats*. After 5 minutes of no answer, you ban him and take screenshot for when the bot owner comes to complain to the forums. If you want to avoid people arguing that they were not paying attention to the chat window, you just teleport the player to somewhere else and keep talking to him until you got the proof he's a bot. Always take screenshots of everything. Done. It's as simple as that. One person could do the job, in less than a week, he could have the server cleaned -at least the dungeon bots-. It's really the easiest thing in the world. I can assure you ZOS is not taking measures at all or we wouldn't be seing so many bots out there, it simply won't be worth it, since each account costs 60 bucks.
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There are numerous threads about this, ZOS knows it and issue and they ARE handling it, maybe not in the public outcry domination way that you'd like it to be, however banning bots is not simply done, it requires that YOU the player give detailed reports on the botters and that the ZOS team reviews these reports to determine if said botter was actually botting, they can't afford to ban people falsely based on loose information. How would you like to be banned because someone said you were botting, and provided little to no information that said otherwise. This isn't like getting rid of gold farmers, it takes time.|----Cometh' at me bro'eth.--- Aldmeri Dominion NA, Veteran,----|
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Syzmicke✭✭✭If people start to cancel their subscription's because it is getting that bad maybe they will then take notice when there revenue drops like a stone and do something about it.
But that time may be to later if they don't act sooner rather than later.6 -
It isn't even a game breaking thing, you hardly see any bots in the later areas, if they are farming common soul gems and below par blues, whoopee freakng do.|----Cometh' at me bro'eth.--- Aldmeri Dominion NA, Veteran,----|
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Oblongship✭✭✭✭Yeah they banned thousands of people...No they have taken no action at all...
Every think they are working on ways to fix this? Just because the result isn't instant doesn't mean it isn't being worked on..
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dr_zed✭✭✭It IS simply done. I've done it myself in Ragnarok online, I was a bot-baning GM and I did my job pretty danm right. You just walk into the dungeon and whisper to the bot "Mr askjdalksdjasdk -typical name of the bots- I'm from the Staff, please answer to me or your account might get baned." "I just saw you killing that boss, I know you are there, please asnwer to me." *keeps talking to him for 5 minutes in different chats*. After 5 minutes of no answer, you ban him and take screenshot for when the bot owner comes to complain to the forums. If you want to avoid people arguing that they were not paying attention to the chat window, you just teleport the player to somewhere else and keep talking to him until you got the proof he's a bot. Done. It's as simple as that. One person could do the job. I could do the job. It's really the easiest thing in the world. ZOS is not taking measures at all.11
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It IS simply done. I've done it myself in Ragnarok online, I was a bot-baning GM and I did my job pretty danm right. You just walk into the dungeon and whisper to the bot "Mr askjdalksdjasdk -typical name of the bots- I'm from the Staff, please answer to me or your account might get baned." "I just saw you killing that boss, I know you are there, please asnwer to me." *keeps talking to him for 5 minutes in different chats*. After 5 minutes of no answer, you ban him and take screenshot for when the bot owner comes to complain to the forums. If you want to avoid people arguing that they were not paying attention to the chat window, you just teleport the player to somewhere else and keep talking to him until you got the proof he's a bot. Done. It's as simple as that. One person could do the job. I could do the job. It's really the easiest thing in the world. ZOS is not taking measures at all.Koltiros1005b14a_ESO wrote: »There are numerous threads about this, ZOS knows it and issue and they ARE handling it, maybe not in the public outcry domination way that you'd like it to be, however banning bots is not simply done, it requires that YOU the player give detailed reports on the botters and that the ZOS team reviews these reports to determine if said botter was actually botting, they can't afford to ban people falsely based on loose information. How would you like to be banned because someone said you were botting, and provided little to no information that said otherwise. This isn't like getting rid of gold farmers, it takes time.5 -
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If they were really baning accounts, people wont be doing it so much. Who would spend 60 bucks to get their accound baned a couple of days after? Something is not being done right, I can assure you that.Oblongship wrote: »Yeah they banned thousands of people...No they have taken no action at all...
Every think they are working on ways to fix this? Just because the result isn't instant doesn't mean it isn't being worked on..
Be patient.
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dr_zed✭✭✭They cound even trace the items the bot gets and ban their main accounts. Another easy thing to do that ZOS is not doing.3
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Dudegeridoo✭✭I thinks Zenimax are making preparations for some big anti bots procedure.
The problems is, until that "thingy" come to live, they need to make some "manual" cleaning.2 -
It IS simply done. I've done it myself in Ragnarok online, I was a bot-baning GM and I did my job pretty danm right. You just walk into the dungeon and whisper to the bot "Mr askjdalksdjasdk -typical name of the bots- I'm from the Staff, please answer to me or your account might get baned." "I just saw you killing that boss, I know you are there, please asnwer to me." *keeps talking to him for 5 minutes in different chats*. After 5 minutes of no answer, you ban him and take screenshot for when the bot owner comes to complain to the forums. If you want to avoid people arguing that they were not paying attention to the chat window, you just teleport the player to somewhere else and keep talking to him until you got the proof he's a bot. Done. It's as simple as that. One person could do the job. I could do the job. It's really the easiest thing in the world. ZOS is not taking measures at all.Koltiros1005b14a_ESO wrote: »There are numerous threads about this, ZOS knows it and issue and they ARE handling it, maybe not in the public outcry domination way that you'd like it to be, however banning bots is not simply done, it requires that YOU the player give detailed reports on the botters and that the ZOS team reviews these reports to determine if said botter was actually botting, they can't afford to ban people falsely based on loose information. How would you like to be banned because someone said you were botting, and provided little to no information that said otherwise. This isn't like getting rid of gold farmers, it takes time.
Also if they placed a GM in the dungeon to creep on these botters and just stand there, real players would gather around them and whine about bugs, it's a GM's job to NOt be apparent in the gaming atmosphere, instead of being the sunlight REAL people of business do their job as they HAVE been doing as evidenced by threads like:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/82424/recent-actions-against-exploiters-appealing-a-ban#latest
They care about their product, enough said.
Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on April 22, 2014 6:15PM|----Cometh' at me bro'eth.--- Aldmeri Dominion NA, Veteran,----|
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That's my point. Manual cleaning in this game is a reaaally easy thing to do since bots are so limited in their interactions. In Ragnarok they teleported when you talked to them, disconnected, talked back, it was much harder to prove they were bots, yet I baned like 20 bots a day, and I wasn't even payed to do it.Dudegeridoo wrote: »I thinks Zenimax are making preparations for some big anti bots procedure.
The problems is, until that "thingy" come to live, they need to make some "manual" cleaning.
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Milanna✭✭✭Koltiros1005b14a_ESO wrote: »
Ragnarok is a 2-bit game played by 12 year olds, you're comparing that to a world of pixelated adult brutality created by people with their masters degree in the computer arts, also Ragnarok or whatever the hell it is, isn't holding a big name brand that supports its title like BETHESDA! Your argument could not be more irrelevant here. Also if they placed a GM in the dungeon to creep on these botters and just stand there, real players would gather around them and whine about bugs, it's a GM's job to NOt be apparent in the gaming atmosphere, instead of being the sunlight on a 12 year olds day. And before you use the stupid excuse that they could go invisible or what have you, they would still need to open chat up. So shut up mister Ragnarok GM and let REAL people of business do their job as they HAVE been doing as evidenced by threads like:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/82424/recent-actions-against-exploiters-appealing-a-ban#latest
They care about their product, enough said.
I acctually read your aggressive retort and I´m wondering, how would anyone know there is a GM among them? Except for the ones being whispered to, off course, but they are not aware either, are they?
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You know nothing, Jon Snow. Really, you don't know what you're talking about.Koltiros1005b14a_ESO wrote: »
It IS simply done. I've done it myself in Ragnarok online, I was a bot-baning GM and I did my job pretty danm right. You just walk into the dungeon and whisper to the bot "Mr askjdalksdjasdk -typical name of the bots- I'm from the Staff, please answer to me or your account might get baned." "I just saw you killing that boss, I know you are there, please asnwer to me." *keeps talking to him for 5 minutes in different chats*. After 5 minutes of no answer, you ban him and take screenshot for when the bot owner comes to complain to the forums. If you want to avoid people arguing that they were not paying attention to the chat window, you just teleport the player to somewhere else and keep talking to him until you got the proof he's a bot. Done. It's as simple as that. One person could do the job. I could do the job. It's really the easiest thing in the world. ZOS is not taking measures at all.Koltiros1005b14a_ESO wrote: »There are numerous threads about this, ZOS knows it and issue and they ARE handling it, maybe not in the public outcry domination way that you'd like it to be, however banning bots is not simply done, it requires that YOU the player give detailed reports on the botters and that the ZOS team reviews these reports to determine if said botter was actually botting, they can't afford to ban people falsely based on loose information. How would you like to be banned because someone said you were botting, and provided little to no information that said otherwise. This isn't like getting rid of gold farmers, it takes time.
Ragnarok is a 2-bit game played by 12 year olds, you're comparing that to a world of pixelated adult brutality created by people with their masters degree in the computer arts, also Ragnarok or whatever the hell it is, isn't holding a big name brand that supports its title like BETHESDA! Your argument could not be more irrelevant here. Also if they placed a GM in the dungeon to creep on these botters and just stand there, real players would gather around them and whine about bugs, it's a GM's job to NOt be apparent in the gaming atmosphere, instead of being the sunlight on a 12 year olds day. And before you use the stupid excuse that they could go invisible or what have you, they would still need to open chat up. So shut up mister Ragnarok GM and let REAL people of business do their job as they HAVE been doing as evidenced by threads like:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/82424/recent-actions-against-exploiters-appealing-a-ban#latest
They care about their product, enough said.
1) The GM could just teleport the bot to a cell or something, and make the bot tests there. The other people would never know he intervined. A GM with a trained eye spots a bot in 5 seconds, just by watching how it moves. Of course, it takes much more to actually prove he's a bot. That's part of the job.
2) Ragnarok's been in bussiness for more than 10 years, and even has a secuel. It's one of the most successful mmorpgs of all times. "BETHESDA!!"'s ESO should be aspiring to something even remotly close to that.
3) That link you posted says nothing about bots. NOTHING. It just says that people were baned for exploiting bugs. Bots = / Bugs.
4) "Real people of business" are doing a terrible job concerning this matter.
Please don't talk again if you are going to say something as ignorant as what you just said
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tripiseanb14_ESO✭✭✭Up until yesterday, I totally disagreed with you. I am level 43, I hadn't seen a single bot. Until last night.
I often go into the dungeons and farm boss mobs for crafting mats, that's how I make money. Every dungeon though, EVERY one I went to at level 43 was camped by a group of bots. I gave up (Thats my source of income, guess I need a new one, maybe buying gold from my new Bot overlords?)
So, I went to coldharbor to do some questing. There was a group of bots just running in a circle killing undead in the Cliffs of Failure. In Cold harbor! Not even a dungeon.
How do groups of bots get all the way up to level 40+ without getting banned?! These are groups of 4 templars, wearing no gear, just weapons that kill anything that comes near them. They have names like kys, ooa, jfm, xco, etc.
Seems like gross negligence by the devs. I get bots camping the low level dungeons, its hard to ban every NEW account. But, to get all the way to level 41 with bots and not get banned?! Insane! They are not hiding it, and people are reporting it.6 -
Here I found one on bots, enjoy it I know I did.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/74534/taking-action-against-cheaters-in-eso#latest
I especially like the part where she mentions bots.|----Cometh' at me bro'eth.--- Aldmeri Dominion NA, Veteran,----|
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Seravi✭✭✭✭✭Bots are an issue, period. They are game breakers in the dungeons with quests that expect you the player to actually hit/kill the boss and you can't for the bots. It took three of us yesterday over an hour to get one hit in so our quest would progress because of the bots camping the boss. I as well as the other reported the dungeon and every bot we could get a name on. Getting old doing this with no results because it is just getting worse. It sucks the bots gather the resources but that is not game breaking. Bots killing the npc's that infect vamps and ww and live in every single dungeon ARE an issue and are game breaking for a lot of quests. It's not like the quest can't be completed because of a bug, these are bots that have been reported since the second week of being live. ZOS IF you are listening, this needs to be priority ONE on your list of things to do.3 -
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That post is from 2 weeks ago.. and bots are still everywhere. Something's not right, don't you think? Now, I don't expect to see no bots from one day to another but the boss farming groups of 4-5 bots you see on every dungeon? How come they didn't ban those? How come people are still using them there if they're getting baned?Koltiros1005b14a_ESO wrote: »Here I found one on bots, enjoy it I know I did.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/74534/taking-action-against-cheaters-in-eso#latest
I especially like the part where she mentions bots.
It's simple really: If a normal player, who never used a bot program finds it so easy to identify a bot, it should be even easier for a specialized GM to do so. Yet, the bots are still there.. 24/7.4 -
Rantog✭✭✭✭Koltiros1005b14a_ESO wrote: »It isn't even a game breaking thing, you hardly see any bots in the later areas, if they are farming common soul gems and below par blues, whoopee freakng do.
Hardly See any bots? I really wish I'd had time to hit the Rift before maint. I only got video up to Shadowfen and starting into Eastmarch.
There are Bots in dungeons all the way up now. If you're not seeing them, you're either not in the dungeons - or you somehow have Divine Intervention placing you into the One instance of each dungeon you visit that has few or no bots.
And bots tying up A Single boss in a Single dungeon is game breaking - to the character/player who has just leveled up to the point of doing that dungeon.4 -
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So...basically you are saying you camped bosses to make money and now gold farmers are doing exactly what you were doing and your angry about that...tripiseanb14_ESO wrote: »Up until yesterday, I totally disagreed with you. I am level 43, I hadn't seen a single bot. Until last night.
I often go into the dungeons and farm boss mobs for crafting mats, that's how I make money. Every dungeon though, EVERY one I went to at level 43 was camped by a group of bots. I gave up (Thats my source of income, guess I need a new one, maybe buying gold from my new Bot overlords?)
So, I went to coldharbor to do some questing. There was a group of bots just running in a circle killing undead in the Cliffs of Failure. In Cold harbor! Not even a dungeon.
How do groups of bots get all the way up to level 40+ without getting banned?! These are groups of 4 templars, wearing no gear, just weapons that kill anything that comes near them. They have names like kys, ooa, jfm, xco, etc.
Seems like gross negligence by the devs. I get bots camping the low level dungeons, its hard to ban every NEW account. But, to get all the way to level 41 with bots and not get banned?! Insane! They are not hiding it, and people are reporting it.
You don't realize camping bosses takes away from other players until you had it done to you...gg
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It even became the way of knowing where the boss spawns, just follow the bots lol.Koltiros1005b14a_ESO wrote: »It isn't even a game breaking thing, you hardly see any bots in the later areas, if they are farming common soul gems and below par blues, whoopee freakng do.
Hardly See any bots? I really wish I'd had time to hit the Rift before maint. I only got video up to Shadowfen and starting into Eastmarch.
There are Bots in dungeons all the way up now. If you're not seeing them, you're either not in the dungeons - or you somehow have Divine Intervention placing you into the One instance of each dungeon you visit that has few or no bots.
And bots tying up A Single boss in a Single dungeon is game breaking - to the character/player who has just leveled up to the point of doing that dungeon.2 -
Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭While i have seen a few suspicious behaviour next to bosses, where are all these bots, guys?
Is it a matter of server? On the EU server we arent overrun by bots.1 -
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There's a difference between doing it with 5 different accounts at the same time, while you being afk, and doing it while actually playing the game.So...basically you are saying you camped bosses to make money and now gold farmers are doing exactly what you were doing and your angry about that...
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Milanna✭✭✭Oh and I did cancel my sub.EU-server
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Hakuichi✭✭✭While i have seen a few suspicious behaviour next to bosses, where are all these bots, guys?
Is it a matter of server? On the EU server we arent overrun by bots.
Its not overran on our side either. Its more of an occasional appearance. However American kids these days sure do love there whine. (they like the attention it brings)Edited by Hakuichi on April 22, 2014 4:48PM2 -
tripiseanb14_ESO✭✭✭So...basically you are saying you camped bosses to make money and now gold farmers are doing exactly what you were doing and your angry about that...
You don't realize camping bosses takes away from other players until you had it done to you...gg
Fortunately, you don't get to tell me how to spend my time playing the game. I am perfectly entitled to camp a boss all I want as long as I'm not running a botting program on my computer and if you can find something in the EULA that says otherwise I will gladly stop.
These computers are cheating, they are breaking the rules, they should be dealt with. You are allowed to camp bosses too, no one is stopping you, the playing field is even. I am not allowed to run a botting program to even the playing field with them.
The problem isn't "taking away from others experience" no where does it say I have to ensure you have a good time. It's about breaking the rules, and they are breaking them.
I should also note. I was doing it to make in game money. They are doing it to make real world money, which is another violation of the EULA. These bots feed the spam of the gold farmers.
Edited by tripiseanb14_ESO on April 22, 2014 4:45PM2
