Warlock is an actual rank in the Mages Guild, above Magician and below Wizard.

So the proper person to address about your desire for a promotion is Valaste. I'm sure she'll look with favor upon such a good friend of Vanus Galerion (or of Uncle Sheo).

idk wrote: »

A lot of ESO titles have different titles for the two genders.

Alas, not empieress

virtus753 wrote: »

doomette wrote: »

idk wrote: »

A lot of ESO titles have different titles for the two genders.

Alas, not empieress

There is indeed now a (forced) female version of empieror. They changed that since the initial debut of the title.

Whaaaaaaaat? I must have missed that. Well, sad face rescinded.

virtus753 wrote: »

doomette wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

doomette wrote: »

idk wrote: »

A lot of ESO titles have different titles for the two genders.

Alas, not empieress

There is indeed now a (forced) female version of empieror. They changed that since the initial debut of the title.

Whaaaaaaaat? I must have missed that. Well, sad face rescinded.

Personally I’d much rather they stop forcing gendered endings down our throats one way or the other. First they slapped the masculine/gender neutral on all toons, then they changed their minds and retroactively changed it to feminine on all female toons. They missed the whole part where they could have given us the choice, making many more people happier in the process.

You make a very good point, and it is silly they do have forced gendering. It doesn’t seem like it would be terribly difficult to give people a choice, and more choices and representation is always a good thing. Kudos for bringing that up, I know it can be one of my blind spots.

Also you said it's a rank, is that different than a title?

I'd very much like to keep using the title Witch on male characters.

Changing this would be far worse for me than the cosmetic changes the devs actively avoid making to armour and furnishings.

DarkWun wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Warlock is an actual rank in the Mages Guild, above Magician and below Wizard.

So the proper person to address about your desire for a promotion is Valaste. I'm sure she'll look with favor upon such a good friend of Vanus Galerion (or of Uncle Sheo).

I'm level 10 in Mages guild. not 100% sure I did ALL the quests, but I don't see this in my titles.

Also, I looked here https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Titles and there's no mention of the Warlock title. How do I set this as a title?

No they mean a title from game's lore not an actual ingame title.

Sephyr wrote: »

Monte_Cristo wrote: »

Warlocks and witches are different types of spell casters. Isn't wiccan the male version of witch?

No. Wiccan is a practitioner that happens to practice Wicca. Witches are witches. Men, women, and what someone chooses to identify as. IRL, the only difference is, again, they are oathbreakers and liars. Anything further than that isn't really relevant for the forum, so I'll keep it at that. In ESO, the term Warlock is used as a rank in the Mages Guild. There's "Witchman" in TES lore, however witch is also acceptable.

That being said, again, I wouldn't mind the term added--just that people should realize that while it always hasn't been, witch is currently a gender-neutral term.

How about Witcher?

VaranisArano wrote: »

Warlock is an actual rank in the Mages Guild, above Magician and below Wizard.

So the proper person to address about your desire for a promotion is Valaste. I'm sure she'll look with favor upon such a good friend of Vanus Galerion (or of Uncle Sheo).

And bring some butterflies before talking to her. xD

DarkWun wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Warlock is an actual rank in the Mages Guild, above Magician and below Wizard.

So the proper person to address about your desire for a promotion is Valaste. I'm sure she'll look with favor upon such a good friend of Vanus Galerion (or of Uncle Sheo).

I'm level 10 in Mages guild. not 100% sure I did ALL the quests, but I don't see this in my titles.

Also, I looked here https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Titles and there's no mention of the Warlock title. How do I set this as a title?

I'm sorry if I got your hopes up. It's not an ESO title (yet). It's a rank in the Mages Guild of Morrowind and Oblivion, earned right before they tell you that the criteria for earning the rank of Wizard is to either make your own Wizard's staff or kill another wizard and take theirs.

So if ZOS added the title to ESO, which I think would be cool, I'd expect it to come through the Mages Guild rather than holiday crafting writs.

Anyways, I'm sorry about being confusing!

idk wrote: »

A lot of ESO titles have different titles for the two genders.

Actually, there aren't a lot of different titles for the two genders.
From all the titles you can get in-game, 177 titles if I'm not mistaken, only these are different according to the char's gender:

- Lady/Lord
- Countess/Count
- Clan Mother/Clan Father
- Lady of Misrule/Lord of Misrule

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Titles
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Player_vs._Player_Achievements#Rank

Charon_on_Vacation wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

red_emu wrote: »

Sephyr wrote: »

Monte_Cristo wrote: »

Warlocks and witches are different types of spell casters. Isn't wiccan the male version of witch?

No. Wiccan is a practitioner that happens to practice Wicca. Witches are witches. Men, women, and what someone chooses to identify as. IRL, the only difference is, again, they are oathbreakers and liars. Anything further than that isn't really relevant for the forum, so I'll keep it at that. In ESO, the term Warlock is used as a rank in the Mages Guild. There's "Witchman" in TES lore, however witch is also acceptable.

That being said, again, I wouldn't mind the term added--just that people should realize that while it always hasn't been, witch is currently a gender-neutral term.

How about Witcher?

I suspect ZOS doesn't want to deal with the potential for IP conflicts. I mean, maybe their legal department won't let butter melt in their mouth as they claim the title has nothing to do with the books, new show, or rival video game series, but do they really want to?

But that's not the fun answer.

though "Witcher" is just the male version of "Witch", which means its not specific to any game, series, company or anything along those lines.
just like McDonalds can not claim the term "Hamburger".

For the record, that's the Slavic translation for vedmak. Not the universal English version, which again is witch (men and women). I can also understand the conflict of IP because while it may be that, it's still an IP. Remember, Bethesda filed a lawsuit against Mojang's "Scrolls" simply over the word. It's rather gray territory. Cool and all, but I don't see them adding it due to that. There's also the issue that there's technically "Witchers" in the mythos; Witchman. Most, if not all the titles, are pretty accurate to the lore with various titles through climbing the ranks in your alliance's military, hitting those books in the Mages Guild, or pieing people in Cyrodiil before you kill them. Most of these have some link to the in game lore already where as Witcher, imo, does not.

Charon_on_Vacation wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

red_emu wrote: »

Sephyr wrote: »

Monte_Cristo wrote: »

Warlocks and witches are different types of spell casters. Isn't wiccan the male version of witch?

No. Wiccan is a practitioner that happens to practice Wicca. Witches are witches. Men, women, and what someone chooses to identify as. IRL, the only difference is, again, they are oathbreakers and liars. Anything further than that isn't really relevant for the forum, so I'll keep it at that. In ESO, the term Warlock is used as a rank in the Mages Guild. There's "Witchman" in TES lore, however witch is also acceptable.

That being said, again, I wouldn't mind the term added--just that people should realize that while it always hasn't been, witch is currently a gender-neutral term.

How about Witcher?

I suspect ZOS doesn't want to deal with the potential for IP conflicts. I mean, maybe their legal department won't let butter melt in their mouth as they claim the title has nothing to do with the books, new show, or rival video game series, but do they really want to?

But that's not the fun answer.

though "Witcher" is just the male version of "Witch", which means its not specific to any game, series, company or anything along those lines.
just like McDonalds can not claim the term "Hamburger".

I think you'd have a hard time arguing that "Witcher" is a generic term for male witch to an American gamer audience.

And ZOS is an American company, - specifically an American video game company who competes with CD Projekt Red in the fantasy RPG video game arena - and given that they'd be changing said "Witch" title after the success of the recent TV series, I doubt they can pretend either obliviousness or naivety.

In some contexts, yeah, Witcher is absolutely the generic term for a male witch.

We are not talking about a context in which Witcher is a generic term for a male witch.

I couldn't begin to guess how it would play out, legally, but I personally doubt ZOS wants to deal with it if the people who own The Witcher IP care to make a fuss about it. There's just not a lot of room for plausible deniability on "We totally meant to give our gamers the title "Witcher" as the male version of a witch, not trying to horn in on this other popular franchise, oh no, definitely not, Your Honor."

Warlock is not a male version of a witch. Witches may be mostly women but the word applies to men as well. I’m all for adding more titles, but “witch” is a gender neutral term.

In Elder Scrolls specifically, a witch is a kind of magic practitioner who has connections to primal/nature magic and/or daedra worship in specific subcultures like those of the Reach, the Wyrds, Ashlanders, etc. and typically lives outside of civilization. “Witch” has a specific connotation but can apply to different groups like Wyresses, wise women and hags. They are magic users who typically aren’t engrained in the dominant culture and are outcasts or live in clans and covens of other witches or those who revere witches. While most who would be referred to as witches are women (often because the roles they fill in their societies are for women), it isn’t exclusive and male witches exist (notably among Reachmen).

Warlocks are also typically socially outcast, but are usually just generic daedra-worshippers and sorcerers. Warlock is usually more of an NPC title than an actual role that people fill, but the common theme seems to be that they have an affinity for Conjuration. Again, not a gender-exclusive term.

Wizard, while not in the discussion, is also a gender neutral term that refers to the more typically socially-acceptable mage who lives within society (unlike witches) and relies on books and formal training for their arcane knowledge as opposed Daedric pacts like warlocks or oral tradition and folk knowledge like witches.

Basically - this isn’t Harry Potter. Also, all of these things can mean more than one thing. They’re not a set social role like a soldier or a priest.