Because if they are unique as they used to be, it is way more difficult to balance the game.
OlumoGarbag wrote: »
Recapitated wrote: »Magsorc has a spammable? What did I miss?OlumoGarbag wrote: »
Notice all the popular stam spammables have cast times and ele weapon has a complication attached to it. Force shock and Surprise Attack are the only ones I can think of that don't. So maybe in ZOS's mind they're not in the same column?
OlumoGarbag wrote: »Recapitated wrote: »Magsorc has a spammable? What did I miss?OlumoGarbag wrote: »
Notice all the popular stam spammables have cast times and ele weapon has a complication attached to it. Force shock and Surprise Attack are the only ones I can think of that don't. So maybe in ZOS's mind they're not in the same column?
Yes cristall frags now proc of them selfes so its now viable to hardcast frags on pts.
Well that still doesent mean class skills should be worse then their weapon skillline counterparts
Recapitated wrote: »OlumoGarbag wrote: »Recapitated wrote: »Magsorc has a spammable? What did I miss?OlumoGarbag wrote: »
Notice all the popular stam spammables have cast times and ele weapon has a complication attached to it. Force shock and Surprise Attack are the only ones I can think of that don't. So maybe in ZOS's mind they're not in the same column?
Yes cristall frags now proc of them selfes so its now viable to hardcast frags on pts.
Well that still doesent mean class skills should be worse then their weapon skillline counterparts
Yeah I agree, js.
Most of the issues you mentioned are about the skills being clunky, if the cast times and travel times felt smoother would that solve the issue or is the problem mainly mechanical in your mind (tooltips being low, added effects insignificant etc)
YandereGirlfriend wrote: »As for Birds, as others have said, take away the Off-Balance condition for the Bleed and tone down the number of stacks. Speed up the animation. Distance Birds could also stand to be improved (and in my dreams it would do Frost Damage).
lucky_Sage wrote: »If a Magdk in pvp is using molten whip it is not a spammable. Engulfing flames is more spammable but not much of one how there class plays and has to burst people don’t have really one not often I use whip multi times.
lucky_Sage wrote: »If a Magdk in pvp is using molten whip it is not a spammable. Engulfing flames is more spammable but not much of one how there class plays and has to burst people don’t have really one not often I use whip multi times.
Not precisely true.
Whenever I have my DoTs stacked and I'm focusing on one target I definitely spam whip, especially when they're low health, sure, I wait until the right moment to apply this pressure, but spamming it most definitely happens and is most definitely better than engulfing spam.
Engulfing spam is for if someone is trying to dodge roll away and you need AoE pressure.
Skjaldbjorn wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »As for Birds, as others have said, take away the Off-Balance condition for the Bleed and tone down the number of stacks. Speed up the animation. Distance Birds could also stand to be improved (and in my dreams it would do Frost Damage).
Ffs yes. This spammable would be fine if we actually had real control over the stacks. Please for the love of god lol. I hate that it's not melee and can't proc stuff. I hate the speed of it. I'd be willing to look past all that if I could just control the damn bleeds.
OlumoGarbag wrote: »
Olupajmibanan wrote: »1) Most magNBs prefer Swallow Soul over Ele Weapon or Force Pulse. Similar damage, self-heal on top of that and ultigen used to its maximum potential on top of top of that.
Surprise Attack is used by most if not all StamNBs.
2) A lot of magsorc recently started using Crystal Fragments as spammable over Ele weapon or Force Pulse. Try it yourself, it's really something.
The new Stamsorc spammable is not really good, the group utility it brings is too low. This one is better off using Rapid Strikes.
3) No magDK will pick Ele Weapon or Force Pulse over Whip.
Poor stamDK has to stick with clunky Poop Fist which is terrible but brings a lot of group utility so it's usualy prefered over Weapon spammables.
4) Templars are even out of question, Sweeps/Jabs all the way
5) stamWardens recently started with Birds to use the Bleed to it's maximum potential. Results seem to be more than satisfying.
Magwardens don't even use spammable, it's full dot-cycle rotation. But okay, if they unslot some of the dots sometimes, they replace these with Ele Weapon or Bird.
6) Magnecro is the same like magNB, Ricochet Skull is preferred over Ele Weapon or Force Pulse. It does more damage than both, when Engulfing Flames come into question, and the AoE portion just further strenghtens the preference of Skull.
Stamnecro's skull is terrible so he is stuck with weapon spammables.
So, out of 12 specs and classes I counted only 1-3 which really prefer generic spammable over its class spammable. That doesn't seem like class spammables are terrible.
ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Olupajmibanan wrote: »1) Most magNBs prefer Swallow Soul over Ele Weapon or Force Pulse. Similar damage, self-heal on top of that and ultigen used to its maximum potential on top of top of that.
Surprise Attack is used by most if not all StamNBs.
2) A lot of magsorc recently started using Crystal Fragments as spammable over Ele weapon or Force Pulse. Try it yourself, it's really something.
The new Stamsorc spammable is not really good, the group utility it brings is too low. This one is better off using Rapid Strikes.
3) No magDK will pick Ele Weapon or Force Pulse over Whip.
Poor stamDK has to stick with clunky Poop Fist which is terrible but brings a lot of group utility so it's usualy prefered over Weapon spammables.
4) Templars are even out of question, Sweeps/Jabs all the way
5) stamWardens recently started with Birds to use the Bleed to it's maximum potential. Results seem to be more than satisfying.
Magwardens don't even use spammable, it's full dot-cycle rotation. But okay, if they unslot some of the dots sometimes, they replace these with Ele Weapon or Bird.
6) Magnecro is the same like magNB, Ricochet Skull is preferred over Ele Weapon or Force Pulse. It does more damage than both, when Engulfing Flames come into question, and the AoE portion just further strenghtens the preference of Skull.
Stamnecro's skull is terrible so he is stuck with weapon spammables.
So, out of 12 specs and classes I counted only 1-3 which really prefer generic spammable over its class spammable. That doesn't seem like class spammables are terrible.
Still doesn't mean that they dont need to be improved. Warden's doesn't even work with the class's design.