Canned_Apples wrote: »
Atherakhia wrote: »This wasn't much of a nerf either. It is still going to be used by everyone with a bow.
Canned_Apples wrote: »
JayKwellen wrote: »Proc sets are fine. You can't just throw on something like venomous smite and hunters venom and expect to be carried to the top of the leaderboards. Your armor isn't going to carry you to a summit you weren't already able to climb. As always, skill remains the great equalizer.
Here's an example of what highly skilled gameplay looks like: https://youtu.be/clfi6k7LifY
SavageChain wrote: »JayKwellen wrote: »Proc sets are fine. You can't just throw on something like venomous smite and hunters venom and expect to be carried to the top of the leaderboards. Your armor isn't going to carry you to a summit you weren't already able to climb. As always, skill remains the great equalizer.
Here's an example of what highly skilled gameplay looks like: https://youtu.be/clfi6k7LifY
I really hope you got the sarcasm in the whole video or in the video description.
The video exactly shows how zero skill can result in high performance with such sets.
SavageChain wrote: »JayKwellen wrote: »Proc sets are fine. You can't just throw on something like venomous smite and hunters venom and expect to be carried to the top of the leaderboards. Your armor isn't going to carry you to a summit you weren't already able to climb. As always, skill remains the great equalizer.
Here's an example of what highly skilled gameplay looks like: https://youtu.be/clfi6k7LifY
I really hope you got the sarcasm in the whole video or in the video description.
The video exactly shows how zero skill can result in high performance with such sets.
lucky_Sage wrote: »proc sets need to be nerfed but i guess zos didn't learn from the last proc meta.
lucky_Sage wrote: »proc sets need to be nerfed but i guess zos didn't learn from the last proc meta.
Nah, these procs require far less effort than the last batch.
Well most of them anyway.
And i think thats the point. They have been looking for ways to close the gap between bad and good players for a long time.
Procsets are an easy way to make bad players feel powerful.
Also they have been eyeballing crit nerfs for a while now, wouldnt be suprised if they wanted procsets to take over pve at some point in the future.
You can already pull respectable dps at endgame wearing procs only.
lucky_Sage wrote: »lucky_Sage wrote: »proc sets need to be nerfed but i guess zos didn't learn from the last proc meta.
Nah, these procs require far less effort than the last batch.
Well most of them anyway.
And i think thats the point. They have been looking for ways to close the gap between bad and good players for a long time.
Procsets are an easy way to make bad players feel powerful.
Also they have been eyeballing crit nerfs for a while now, wouldnt be suprised if they wanted procsets to take over pve at some point in the future.
You can already pull respectable dps at endgame wearing procs only.
In a 1v1 proc sets aren’t hard to deal with it’s when your fighting 2 to 4 people with them when you have 6 to 12 procs on you. Yes I’ve fought a whole team running 3 proc sets it is almost every match now
It won’t be as bad in BG’s once groups come back and can bring a healer.
JayKwellen wrote: »Proc sets are fine. You can't just throw on something like venomous smite and hunters venom and expect to be carried to the top of the leaderboards. Your armor isn't going to carry you to a summit you weren't already able to climb. As always, skill remains the great equalizer.
Here's an example of what highly skilled gameplay looks like: https://youtu.be/clfi6k7LifY
JayKwellen wrote: »SavageChain wrote: »JayKwellen wrote: »Proc sets are fine. You can't just throw on something like venomous smite and hunters venom and expect to be carried to the top of the leaderboards. Your armor isn't going to carry you to a summit you weren't already able to climb. As always, skill remains the great equalizer.
Here's an example of what highly skilled gameplay looks like: https://youtu.be/clfi6k7LifY
I really hope you got the sarcasm in the whole video or in the video description.
The video exactly shows how zero skill can result in high performance with such sets.
@SavageChain Oh for sure.
That anybody could watch that video, see Else doing 1,000,000 damage and getting the top or near top score in multiple BGs while doing nothing but light attacking and using poison injection, and genuinely think that nonsense is healthy for the game is just...literally incomprehensible to me. Some of those names in that video are people I know from Cyrodiil too, people who aren't exactly potatoes. Or low APM's, or whatever it is ZOS is calling the unskilled these days.
I mean come on. Dude did nothing but spam one cheap easy to apply ability and basically came out on top every game. Imagine if he actually, you know, used any other damage skills? If he actually did a surprise attack into an incap and a spectral bow while VS/HV were ticking? Who cares if your merciless resolve tooltip is only 14k and your incap is only 11k when your proc sets are doing so much damage that they'll kill people by themselves anyway?
It is indeed exactly what you said - a showcase of how the multi proc set stacking meta is a cancerous malignancy which punishes actual time investment and work, not to mention genuinely lowers the quality of PvP all around, all the while rewarding otherwise lazy, unimaginative, and unskilled gameplay, and that they should be either brought to heel, or excised from the game completely, as soon as humanly possible.
So yeah bro I definitely got it. 100%.
OlumoGarbag wrote: »lucky_Sage wrote: »lucky_Sage wrote: »proc sets need to be nerfed but i guess zos didn't learn from the last proc meta.
Nah, these procs require far less effort than the last batch.
Well most of them anyway.
And i think thats the point. They have been looking for ways to close the gap between bad and good players for a long time.
Procsets are an easy way to make bad players feel powerful.
Also they have been eyeballing crit nerfs for a while now, wouldnt be suprised if they wanted procsets to take over pve at some point in the future.
You can already pull respectable dps at endgame wearing procs only.
In a 1v1 proc sets aren’t hard to deal with it’s when your fighting 2 to 4 people with them when you have 6 to 12 procs on you. Yes I’ve fought a whole team running 3 proc sets it is almost every match now
It won’t be as bad in BG’s once groups come back and can bring a healer.
lul yeah sure having 50k tooltip worth of proc sets on you from 1 person isnt a problem... wait until vate destro next patch and you will change your mind about that
I am not one to defend or promote the use of proc sets in any way and bgs/no CP is its own hell hole of proc combo cheese builds but when players in CP run around on builds in heavy armour with 35k+ health in Cyro stack spamming rapid regen how else other than with the use of strong DOTs or proc sets can you try to put enough pressure on someone? 10K effective weapon power isn’t enough to cut people down when every zergling and pug player has decided to essentially make a burst proof tank, proc sets are going to be seen as an easy option to thin the Xv1 players down.
lucky_Sage wrote: »OlumoGarbag wrote: »lucky_Sage wrote: »lucky_Sage wrote: »proc sets need to be nerfed but i guess zos didn't learn from the last proc meta.
Nah, these procs require far less effort than the last batch.
Well most of them anyway.
And i think thats the point. They have been looking for ways to close the gap between bad and good players for a long time.
Procsets are an easy way to make bad players feel powerful.
Also they have been eyeballing crit nerfs for a while now, wouldnt be suprised if they wanted procsets to take over pve at some point in the future.
You can already pull respectable dps at endgame wearing procs only.
In a 1v1 proc sets aren’t hard to deal with it’s when your fighting 2 to 4 people with them when you have 6 to 12 procs on you. Yes I’ve fought a whole team running 3 proc sets it is almost every match now
It won’t be as bad in BG’s once groups come back and can bring a healer.
lul yeah sure having 50k tooltip worth of proc sets on you from 1 person isnt a problem... wait until vate destro next patch and you will change your mind about that
My build was made to deal with proc sets. I run curse eater on my back bar for a reason 100% needed for solo in this proc meta
JayKwellen wrote: »lucky_Sage wrote: »OlumoGarbag wrote: »lucky_Sage wrote: »lucky_Sage wrote: »proc sets need to be nerfed but i guess zos didn't learn from the last proc meta.
Nah, these procs require far less effort than the last batch.
Well most of them anyway.
And i think thats the point. They have been looking for ways to close the gap between bad and good players for a long time.
Procsets are an easy way to make bad players feel powerful.
Also they have been eyeballing crit nerfs for a while now, wouldnt be suprised if they wanted procsets to take over pve at some point in the future.
You can already pull respectable dps at endgame wearing procs only.
In a 1v1 proc sets aren’t hard to deal with it’s when your fighting 2 to 4 people with them when you have 6 to 12 procs on you. Yes I’ve fought a whole team running 3 proc sets it is almost every match now
It won’t be as bad in BG’s once groups come back and can bring a healer.
lul yeah sure having 50k tooltip worth of proc sets on you from 1 person isnt a problem... wait until vate destro next patch and you will change your mind about that
My build was made to deal with proc sets. I run curse eater on my back bar for a reason 100% needed for solo in this proc meta
@lucky_Sage I've never used curse eater, but I'm assuming regeneration counts as a direct heal right? I wonder if dark cloak does too. As a magblade I don't have a purge, so this is an interesting idea, my biggest concern being the cooldown and the limited number of effects purged. I think I'm gonna mess with it though and see if I can come up with something workable.
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Regeneration is a heal over time, and won't trigger Curse Eater's 5 piece set bonus. Going by tooltips, the only class ability that a Magicka Nightblade could use to trigger the set would be Sap Essence, which would obviously only work in melee range. Outside of class skills, I suppose you could use Combat Prayer or Healing Springs, but neither is particularly good in PvP (other than zerging maybe?) Even then, I'm not 100% sure about Healing Springs, but the tooltip indicates a small up-front heal preceding the ground-based HOT.JayKwellen wrote: »lucky_Sage wrote: »OlumoGarbag wrote: »lucky_Sage wrote: »lucky_Sage wrote: »proc sets need to be nerfed but i guess zos didn't learn from the last proc meta.
Nah, these procs require far less effort than the last batch.
Well most of them anyway.
And i think thats the point. They have been looking for ways to close the gap between bad and good players for a long time.
Procsets are an easy way to make bad players feel powerful.
Also they have been eyeballing crit nerfs for a while now, wouldnt be suprised if they wanted procsets to take over pve at some point in the future.
You can already pull respectable dps at endgame wearing procs only.
In a 1v1 proc sets aren’t hard to deal with it’s when your fighting 2 to 4 people with them when you have 6 to 12 procs on you. Yes I’ve fought a whole team running 3 proc sets it is almost every match now
It won’t be as bad in BG’s once groups come back and can bring a healer.
lul yeah sure having 50k tooltip worth of proc sets on you from 1 person isnt a problem... wait until vate destro next patch and you will change your mind about that
My build was made to deal with proc sets. I run curse eater on my back bar for a reason 100% needed for solo in this proc meta
@lucky_Sage I've never used curse eater, but I'm assuming regeneration counts as a direct heal right? I wonder if dark cloak does too. As a magblade I don't have a purge, so this is an interesting idea, my biggest concern being the cooldown and the limited number of effects purged. I think I'm gonna mess with it though and see if I can come up with something workable.
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