Antiquarian's Alpine Gallery Should have been 700 Slots

Jeremy · October 2020

Tandor wrote: »

I don't get the complaints about the number of housing slots. People sound like they either only have one house or that they must have every furnishing item displayed in every one of their houses. I doubt very much that anyone fits into the first category (not least with the free houses and inn rooms available) and I don't see the reasoning behind the second category. If they list all their houses and total up all the furnishing slots between them do they really not have enough? Even those players who build their own house within a house seem to be able to cope just fine judging by the screenshots and videos we see all the time.

I would say it depends on the house.

Some of the houses have plenty of slots. As an example: Snugpod has 200 slots for just one small room - which is more than enough. But then you have homes like the Grand Psijic Villa - easily more than 4x the size (probably more like 20x the size) - but only has 700 slots for the whole estate.

If you can find a video of one of the larger estate homes that look really good through-out the entire home I would love to see it. Because my guess is they are probably closing off portions of the home to conserve space. Because 700 slots just isn't enough to decorate in detail that much space.

Wildberryjack · October 2020

I haven't messed with it yet but it's a NOTABLE house and doesn't have 700 slots? Um, that has to be a bug. Is ZOS going to look at this or what? If the number of slots remains then they need to reclassify it as a Classic house.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · October 2020

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TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I can fill this house with 300 slots easily, you do not see me complaining about a house that ZOS gave to us for free.

The house is not free. You *must* have bought Greymoor, or you would not get access to it. Also, everyone that helped the community achieve this, donated person-hours to this. If you were to put a price on those player hours that were invested, you wouldn't be able to afford it.
So it isn't free. ZOS has just declined to as a price in addition to what we have already paid for it.

I paid for Greymoor, this house was not part of the transaction therefore the House is free.

Linaleah · October 2020

furiouslog wrote: »

I'm actually happy that it's 600. 100 more slots is not going to make or break the house. I'm surprised that you're complaining about what is essentially a free gift to the community. Just enjoy it.

aside from the fact that 100 slots can and does make a difference.... you realize that you would still have an option to NOT fill all the available slots in your build and had that option all along, but for those of us who prefer to go for intricate ideas or custom built items that take up multiple slots - we are far more limited?

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esotoon wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I don't get the complaints about the number of housing slots. People sound like they either only have one house or that they must have every furnishing item displayed in every one of their houses. I doubt very much that anyone fits into the first category (not least with the free houses and inn rooms available) and I don't see the reasoning behind the second category. If they list all their houses and total up all the furnishing slots between them do they really not have enough? Even those players who build their own house within a house seem to be able to cope just fine judging by the screenshots and videos we see all the time.

There's another category you missed, besides displaying any furniture you have collected or storage. Some players like to decorate their homes. Some try to make the house as it is look like real homes/scenes. Others take it a step further and create extra rooms, buildings, or completely transform the house so it looks nothing like the house they bought. Decorators like this need all the slots you can get. For example, if you are doing a banqueting table, you have all the food and place settings, the tables, lighting, chairs etc. And that's just for the main table setting, before you even start decorating the room around it and the outside of the house. All those items soon add up.

That's what I was getting at with my last point. They seem to do fine judging by the screenshots and videos.

I'm going to tell you a secret. those screenshots? they are designed specifically FOR screenshots. in many MANY cases, what you do not see in a screenshot - is sparse or completely bare with decorators putting in all the thought into what is visible.

we've also been known to block off entire swaths of housing, entire floors, multiple rooms etc - JUST to be able to do more detailed decorating in the area that is left.

and videos are edited.

volkeswagon · October 2020

yeah. Notables should be 700 otherwise this is just a classic house

Nomadic_Atmoran · October 2020

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

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Ravensilver wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I can fill this house with 300 slots easily, you do not see me complaining about a house that ZOS gave to us for free.

The house is not free. You *must* have bought Greymoor, or you would not get access to it. Also, everyone that helped the community achieve this, donated person-hours to this. If you were to put a price on those player hours that were invested, you wouldn't be able to afford it.
So it isn't free. ZOS has just declined to as a price in addition to what we have already paid for it.

I paid for Greymoor, this house was not part of the transaction therefore the House is free.

The house was incentive for new purchases of Greymoor. They do this every year right before announcing the new year of content. Its not free. No matter how you spin it. Its locked behind the purchase of this chapter.

LADYKiLLER · October 2020

Yes, this house absolutely needs 100 more slots. It also needs to have its population allowance increased from 12 to 24, and special collectibles should be 10, not 8. Right now, everything about this house's limitations says classic, not notable. The place is massive so rather than have them downgrade the status, I think ZOS would earn a lot of good will by just raising the caps to match all other notable homes, including others given out for "free" like the Psijic Villa.

Considering how regularly requests for increased furnishing limits are posted, I'm honestly kind of surprised they thought 600 was enough for this place.

Kesstryl · October 2020

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Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

Probably about 1/3rd of those are lights inside and out followed by trees, tables and finally rocks. Some of which are in far away spots on the property most people will not spend any time near. Just spent about an hour clearing out the clutter inside and removing a few boulders that were literally tucked in a corner of the map that's off the beaten path.

So far I've collected 24 tables of all types. I'm not really sure what I'm going to do with 24 Solitude tables... *ponders*

I made a proper Nord drinking and banquet hall with all my tables, just stuck them together to make a huge long table

LADYKiLLER · October 2020

Ravensilver wrote: »

Proudspire is a Classic home and has 600, Hall of the Lunar Champion is Notable and has 700. So either this house was not put into the correct category, or they forgot to update it to 700 slots.

And to be honest, I sure could use those 100 extra slots... ^^;;

That's what I'm hoping too. That it's a bug or a mistake, and they will fix it. It makes no sense to be 600 slots.

cyberjanet · October 2020

Actually, I would like more of the smaller houses. I have bought all of the staple homes, and only one or two of the classics, and even then, the smaller ones. The big 600/700 slots are just too big for me.

wenchmore420b14_ESO · October 2020

I agree that ZoS deserves a thanks for a free house. In game cool stuff has been rare and asked for ever since they started the dreaded CS word.
And the 600 limit is fine with me as it will become just another storage unit for all the bound and non destructible stuff I have and most of it it is so cool and yes, I'm a Skyrim hoarder.

I do find it impossible to try and make a decent "Guild Hall" with all crafting, mundas, and all the interactive things guildies need AND fill it for immersion, i.e. include all readable books, plus book cases. (Fyi, that is almost 400 slots alone).

So yes, more slots are needed. And yes, even free, if it is a notable house, it should be treated as such.
My 2 drakes...
Huzzah!!!

Alienoutlaw · October 2020

only on the ESO forums can you find someone complaining about something that was FREE
was the Pet the correct shade of purple? or should they change that also

wenchmore420b14_ESO · October 2020

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TequilaFire wrote: »

More problematic is a limit on 40 collectables, just the 21 or so statues collected use half that right our of the box.
Don't get me wrong, the house is appreciated, just wish it was a pool of item slots that could be used for any type of collectable or furnishing, not segmented.

This is exactly what I thought. The issue is not with the 100 more or less traditional furnishing but with the cap in all other kind of categories.

>It means less House guests/pets/mounts/assistants - who all share the same cap.

>It means that a house that would fit the purpose of displaying undaunted busts and trophies is severely more limited than in a regular NOTABLE house.

>It means that you can receive HALF the visitors you would in any other NOTABLE house.

For me it is a letdown, as the house is based on Inns/Taverns layouts in-game, it would have made a cool Undaunted Explorer gathering place, but the cap on visitor, special collectibles and others make it a lot less appealing.

I really don't see why a house that is as big as some other Notable houses end up not getting the same treatment.

I hope this is a BUG and it will be fixed soon

Ya, my favorite house has always been the amaya lake lodge. Id say this is now my favorite house but I have the same problem with it.

With roughly 130+ collectible items, like undaunted trophies, busts, achievement furnishings, and statues, 40 slots is just not enough. Not at all. The less house guests is a huge downer, but i could tolerate it, im not looking for a guild house.

The special furnishing limit of 8 is another huge downer, considering 4 of those will be the banker, merchant, fence, and this new NPC (at least for me). Then you have room for 4 mounts/pets. That sucks, but i could tolerate it.

And having 100 less furnishings sucks too, but 700 isnt even close to enough for a large notable home so 100 less for a slightly smaller home isnt a huge deal to me. Although id say this house is comparable to other notable homes, like the daggerfall overlook, so I dont really understand it.

Regardless the biggest thing for me, again, is the collectible furnishing limit. I think, at least, they should upgrade that in classic and maybe even staple homes.

Agree 100%. I have all the cat pets. I really want to fill my house with cats, but, alas, not possible.
Please ZoS, Do away with the sub classes, and just let us put what we want in them. Ok?
And yes, I am still advocating for more slots in general. Please???
My guild hall needs it!! 250 more on 700 limit?

AyeshaBelladonna · October 2020

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Interesting. I appreciate the free house either way so personally, idc. Who knows, maybe there is a "Notable" difference in slots between a FREE home (600) and a Crown Store BOUGHT home (700) which are setup as a selling point or simply just an oversight in ZOS' design choices. What is interesting is the Psijiic Villa is classified as notable and has 700 slots and that is also not near enough to fill that huge place. Seems maybe about 1000 slots as a standard would be appropriate for notable homes.

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The entire category, since housing was introduced, for Notable classification (manors)was a 350/700 slot standard furnishing capacity. (And all the other capacity differences involved Of course) This INCLUDES precedent set by ZOS with the other two Free homes they have released as 350/700 Notables well as the original three Notables available for gold, to the permanent crown only additions AND crown only limited release Notables. Ever other house, whether limited release OR available for in game gold/free has adhered to the precedents set for their classifications as well. The medium Classic homes of the 200/400 range such as Forgemaster Falls and Snow Globe That were crown only to the original medium classics for gold(including the limited release Exorcised Coven Cottage that can be gotten for gold)..... Large homes down to All the free mini Inn Rooms... the categorizing has been 100% consistent for three years . All the house limits _are_ ridiculously low, partially due to console capabilities... and hopefully next gen consoles coming out finally and all the server work this last year and a half see a resolution to our long standing complaints in that regard.... but Notable limits are not a freebie vs pay situation, beyond the differences imposed by eso+ vs non-subscribers... the only possible _reasonable_ explanation for Antiquarian Gallery being listed as a Notable is that it’s categorization is a bug and it will be relisted in a patch as large Classic.... anything else would be truly unacceptable and the start to a bad slide in the exact wrong direction from their player base requests.

Free house is always nice and this event house giveaway is a huge improvement over the stripped bare Villa, don’t get me wrong.... but people (myself and many guild mates among them) have reason to be concerned as ZOS continues to remain silent on the matter. Yes the category limits in general suck, yes the size of the home screams Notable to many of us based on the layout alone..... but the real concern here should honestly be that we need confirmation as to whether it IS a bug with the listing, and the listing is in error and will be fixed ASAP. Because if this is NOT, if it is an intentional change to the status quo.... we have bigger things to worry about than “is ZOS ever going to raise our caps”.

valkyrie93 · October 2020

are they even looking into this? please please increase the limit

LADYKiLLER · October 2020

AyeshaBelladonna wrote: »

Yes the category limits in general suck, yes the size of the home screams Notable to many of us based on the layout alone..... but the real concern here should honestly be that we need confirmation as to whether it IS a bug with the listing, and the listing is in error and will be fixed ASAP. Because if this is NOT, if it is an intentional change to the status quo.... we have bigger things to worry about than “is ZOS ever going to raise our caps”.

This is also a good point, and why I think we should continue to press for at least some kind of address of the issue. Is this a mistake, or is this setting a new (and awful) precedent?

I'm especially surprised at the bizarre limits on this house because it was released with their very first houseguest. You'd think they'd want to support their new feature by allowing for the current maximum collectibles limit.

ZOS_SarahHecker · October 2020

Hey all, for those of you who are seeing it as a notable home what platform are you on? (If you can snag a screenshot that would be appreciated.) It should be listed under the classic homes.

CaffeinatedMayhem · October 2020

PC/NA (gamepad mode)

virtus753 · October 2020

CaffeinatedMayhem wrote: »

PC/NA (gamepad mode)

Same thing here, same platform and mode.

nalline96 · October 2020

mine is located in the notable home section, but i cannot figure out how to put in a screenshot....

CaffeinatedMayhem wrote: »

PC/NA (gamepad mode)

rrimöykk · October 2020

Also Notable on PS/EU

Zyva · October 2020

It SHOULD be a notable imo. The place is one of the most beautiful homes they've release so far. And could totally use that limit.

griffrawk · October 2020

Notable - PS4 EU

ZOS_SarahHecker · October 2020

Thanks for the information everyone! That's not intended and will be fixed in a future update. Just to confirm: this is designed to be a classic home.

JoeCapricorn · October 2020

Cool, glad you are willing to respond so quickly to this issue...

Arciris · October 2020

"You will have to choose between what is right and what is easy" - Dumbledore.
I'm sad they are choosing the easy route - again.

Well, that's one more house that will be used as an extra furniture deposit. What a shame.

At least I will be able to devote more time to my Stillwater Retreat, got to keep positive thinking here.

Aliyavana · October 2020

Arciris wrote: »

"You will have to choose between what is right and what is easy" - Dumbledore.
I'm sad they are choosing the easy route - again.

Well, that's one more house that will be used as an extra furniture deposit. What a shame.

At least I will be able to devote more time to my Stillwater Retreat, got to keep positive thinking here.

Right, no way I will be able to put this house to its full potential with only 600 slots

BenevolentBowd · October 2020

ZOS_SarahHecker wrote: »

Hey all, for those of you who are seeing it as a notable home what platform are you on? (If you can snag a screenshot that would be appreciated.) It should be listed under the classic homes.

PC NA Keyboard/Mouse UI - Notable home.

Arciris · October 2020

As a Classic home it won't be what it could have been so I have no interest in the house anymore.

I actually wanted to purchase additional house guests for this home specifically (the maid and the drunk cat), now I will not, as I have no interest in house guests outside of this very specific scenario: a Inn/Tavern for the most undaunted explorers and adventurers (antiquity leads drop from some dungeon bosses so it makes sense to mix Undaunted stuff with Antiquities here).
Trophies cap is too low in this house.
Special collectibles as well.

I was also waiting to see how this will unfold to see if i'd purchase Greymoor for my alt account. Now I will not.

Their game, their choice. My money, my choice.

M_Volsung · October 2020

Ravensilver wrote: »

Am I wrong in resenting the fact that 90 of the 600 slots are already taken up with stuff that ZOS put there? >.< And it's all bound, so I can't even sell it? >.>

I find it interesting that zos could give this house away with furnishings but couldn't do the same with that psijic barn.