Antiquarian's Alpine Gallery Should have been 700 Slots

Danikat

Ravensilver wrote: »

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

Probably about 1/3rd of those are lights inside and out followed by trees, tables and finally rocks. Some of which are in far away spots on the property most people will not spend any time near. Just spent about an hour clearing out the clutter inside and removing a few boulders that were literally tucked in a corner of the map that's off the beaten path.

So far I've collected 24 tables of all types. I'm not really sure what I'm going to do with 24 Solitude tables... *ponders*

First thing I did when I loaded into the house was open the furnishing menu and go to 'Retrieve' to see what was already there. Second thing I did was say to myself "At least I have a lifetime supply of tables".

I'm not sure what I'm going to do with them, but I suspect they'll end up shared around different houses, with some likely sitting in a storage chest. But I'm planning to do a big re-shuffle of furniture now, as I've got a lot of stuff sitting in inn rooms just because I didn't have a real use for it, so maybe some ideas will come up.

eso_lags

Arciris wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

More problematic is a limit on 40 collectables, just the 21 or so statues collected use half that right our of the box.
Don't get me wrong, the house is appreciated, just wish it was a pool of item slots that could be used for any type of collectable or furnishing, not segmented.

This is exactly what I thought. The issue is not with the 100 more or less traditional furnishing but with the cap in all other kind of categories.

>It means less House guests/pets/mounts/assistants - who all share the same cap.

>It means that a house that would fit the purpose of displaying undaunted busts and trophies is severely more limited than in a regular NOTABLE house.

>It means that you can receive HALF the visitors you would in any other NOTABLE house.

For me it is a letdown, as the house is based on Inns/Taverns layouts in-game, it would have made a cool Undaunted Explorer gathering place, but the cap on visitor, special collectibles and others make it a lot less appealing.

I really don't see why a house that is as big as some other Notable houses end up not getting the same treatment.

I hope this is a BUG and it will be fixed soon

Ya, my favorite house has always been the amaya lake lodge. Id say this is now my favorite house but I have the same problem with it.

With roughly 130+ collectible items, like undaunted trophies, busts, achievement furnishings, and statues, 40 slots is just not enough. Not at all. The less house guests is a huge downer, but i could tolerate it, im not looking for a guild house.

The special furnishing limit of 8 is another huge downer, considering 4 of those will be the banker, merchant, fence, and this new NPC (at least for me). Then you have room for 4 mounts/pets. That sucks, but i could tolerate it.

And having 100 less furnishings sucks too, but 700 isnt even close to enough for a large notable home so 100 less for a slightly smaller home isnt a huge deal to me. Although id say this house is comparable to other notable homes, like the daggerfall overlook, so I dont really understand it.

Regardless the biggest thing for me, again, is the collectible furnishing limit. I think, at least, they should upgrade that in classic and maybe even staple homes.

eso_lags

Arciris wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

More problematic is a limit on 40 collectables, just the 21 or so statues collected use half that right our of the box.
Don't get me wrong, the house is appreciated, just wish it was a pool of item slots that could be used for any type of collectable or furnishing, not segmented.

This is exactly what I thought. The issue is not with the 100 more or less traditional furnishing but with the cap in all other kind of categories.

>It means less House guests/pets/mounts/assistants - who all share the same cap.

>It means that a house that would fit the purpose of displaying undaunted busts and trophies is severely more limited than in a regular NOTABLE house.

>It means that you can receive HALF the visitors you would in any other NOTABLE house.

For me it is a letdown, as the house is based on Inns/Taverns layouts in-game, it would have made a cool Undaunted Explorer gathering place, but the cap on visitor, special collectibles and others make it a lot less appealing.

I really don't see why a house that is as big as some other Notable houses end up not getting the same treatment.

I hope this is a BUG and it will be fixed soon

Oh, now that im looking at it in my collections menu i see that it is actually a notable home. So in that case, does anyone know of any other notable homes that dont have the usual notable home furnishing/guest/etc cap? I cant think of any so ya, maybe its just a bug?

volkeswagon

when I previewed it I guessed 600. Lucky cat landing should have been 600 instead of 400.

Arciris

eso_lags wrote: »

Arciris wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

More problematic is a limit on 40 collectables, just the 21 or so statues collected use half that right our of the box.
Don't get me wrong, the house is appreciated, just wish it was a pool of item slots that could be used for any type of collectable or furnishing, not segmented.

This is exactly what I thought. The issue is not with the 100 more or less traditional furnishing but with the cap in all other kind of categories.

>It means less House guests/pets/mounts/assistants - who all share the same cap.

>It means that a house that would fit the purpose of displaying undaunted busts and trophies is severely more limited than in a regular NOTABLE house.

>It means that you can receive HALF the visitors you would in any other NOTABLE house.

For me it is a letdown, as the house is based on Inns/Taverns layouts in-game, it would have made a cool Undaunted Explorer gathering place, but the cap on visitor, special collectibles and others make it a lot less appealing.

I really don't see why a house that is as big as some other Notable houses end up not getting the same treatment.

I hope this is a BUG and it will be fixed soon

Oh, now that im looking at it in my collections menu i see that it is actually a notable home. So in that case, does anyone know of any other notable homes that dont have the usual notable home furnishing/guest/etc cap? I cant think of any so ya, maybe its just a bug?

I can't recall any other Notable house having this issue.

However, I'm afraid ZoS will just reclassify it as a Classic home and call it a day aka bug fix. That would be terrible PR though as, so far, all Chapters since Summerset have given a "free" Notable house: Psijiic Grand Villa and Hall of the Lunar Champion.

Ravensilver

Proudspire is a Classic home and has 600, Hall of the Lunar Champion is Notable and has 700. So either this house was not put into the correct category, or they forgot to update it to 700 slots.

And to be honest, I sure could use those 100 extra slots... ^^;;

Contaminate

Please for the love of good fix the furnishing caps to accurately reflect its Notable category. Those 100 items absolutely do make or break a house, and for how many furnishings I’ve already dug up, and all the Undaunted busts that would look perfectly at home in there, these caps will be filed near instantly. The guest limit would be incredibly limiting for housing guild if left as-in.

LaughingGremlin

At 600 slots this place is Classic not a Notable home. It's beautiful house, but I just got Hunding's Palatial Hall and it's costing me a small fortune to decorate that place; so unfortunately Antiquarian's Alpine Gallery is going be used for storage for now.

Nomadic_Atmoran

Jeremy wrote: »

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

Ravensilver wrote: »

Am I wrong in resenting the fact that 90 of the 600 slots are already taken up with stuff that ZOS put there? >.< And it's all bound, so I can't even sell it? >.>

Probably about 1/3rd of those are lights inside and out followed by trees, tables and finally rocks. Some of which are in far away spots on the property most people will not spend any time near. Just spent about an hour clearing out the clutter inside and removing a few boulders that were literally tucked in a corner of the map that's off the beaten path.

Just in case you were unaware, you can retrieve furnishings without having to hunt them down manually.

I'm aware of this. That's not the point of the comment. Whomever was in-charge of filling almost 1/6th of the map with junk furnishings really went out of their way to fill the place not just with tables and lights but also rocks and trees. Some of which are in really out of the way spots.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

I can fill this house with 300 slots easily, you do not see me complaining about a house that ZOS gave to us for free.

rrimöykk

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I can fill this house with 300 slots easily, you do not see me complaining about a house that ZOS gave to us for free.

You bought Greymoor, hence not free. Without it you wouldn't get the house.

volkeswagon

Must be a mistake then

Ravensilver

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I can fill this house with 300 slots easily, you do not see me complaining about a house that ZOS gave to us for free.

The house is not free. You *must* have bought Greymoor, or you would not get access to it. Also, everyone that helped the community achieve this, donated person-hours to this. If you were to put a price on those player hours that were invested, you wouldn't be able to afford it.
So it isn't free. ZOS has just declined to as a price in addition to what we have already paid for it.

eso_lags

Arciris wrote: »

eso_lags wrote: »

Arciris wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

More problematic is a limit on 40 collectables, just the 21 or so statues collected use half that right our of the box.
Don't get me wrong, the house is appreciated, just wish it was a pool of item slots that could be used for any type of collectable or furnishing, not segmented.

This is exactly what I thought. The issue is not with the 100 more or less traditional furnishing but with the cap in all other kind of categories.

>It means less House guests/pets/mounts/assistants - who all share the same cap.

>It means that a house that would fit the purpose of displaying undaunted busts and trophies is severely more limited than in a regular NOTABLE house.

>It means that you can receive HALF the visitors you would in any other NOTABLE house.

For me it is a letdown, as the house is based on Inns/Taverns layouts in-game, it would have made a cool Undaunted Explorer gathering place, but the cap on visitor, special collectibles and others make it a lot less appealing.

I really don't see why a house that is as big as some other Notable houses end up not getting the same treatment.

I hope this is a BUG and it will be fixed soon

Oh, now that im looking at it in my collections menu i see that it is actually a notable home. So in that case, does anyone know of any other notable homes that dont have the usual notable home furnishing/guest/etc cap? I cant think of any so ya, maybe its just a bug?

I can't recall any other Notable house having this issue.

However, I'm afraid ZoS will just reclassify it as a Classic home and call it a day aka bug fix. That would be terrible PR though as, so far, all Chapters since Summerset have given a "free" Notable house: Psijiic Grand Villa and Hall of the Lunar Champion.

I mean it could go either way. They could say, oh its a bug and its supposed to have the correct amount for all notable homes. But ya, it could certainly go the other way and they could classify it as a classic. Hopefully they decide to give it what it deserves under its current notable classification.

eso_lags

Ravensilver wrote: »

Proudspire is a Classic home and has 600, Hall of the Lunar Champion is Notable and has 700. So either this house was not put into the correct category, or they forgot to update it to 700 slots.

And to be honest, I sure could use those 100 extra slots... ^^;;

Im a bit confused, classic homes usually have the 600 furnishing limit as well as the other limitations such as only 12 guests, etc. Proudspire seems like it would be a classic home, like you said, and has the 600 limit, like you said. That makes sense, its smaller, has no yard.

And the hall of the lunar champion is a notable home and has the max cap of everything, again like you said. That also makes sense since its pretty big. So i must be missing something because it seems like both would be in the correct category. But if im missing something let me know, i could be.

On another note, you would think this would have the max cap because every house given away with a chapter has been a notable home with the max cap. Like the hall of the lunar champion and the arteum home. Now this house comes around, and it is also a notable home like the others, so im crossing my fingers and hoping its just an oversight.

Jeremy

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

Ravensilver wrote: »

Am I wrong in resenting the fact that 90 of the 600 slots are already taken up with stuff that ZOS put there? >.< And it's all bound, so I can't even sell it? >.>

Probably about 1/3rd of those are lights inside and out followed by trees, tables and finally rocks. Some of which are in far away spots on the property most people will not spend any time near. Just spent about an hour clearing out the clutter inside and removing a few boulders that were literally tucked in a corner of the map that's off the beaten path.

Just in case you were unaware, you can retrieve furnishings without having to hunt them down manually.

I'm aware of this. That's not the point of the comment. Whomever was in-charge of filling almost 1/6th of the map with junk furnishings really went out of their way to fill the place not just with tables and lights but also rocks and trees. Some of which are in really out of the way spots.

Ok, I wasn't sure. Because you said it took you over an hour to clear out clutter and boulders that were tucked away in corners or off the beaten paths. So it gave me the impression you might have been having to hunt them all down in hard to find places before removing them and that's why it took so long.

Nord_Raseri

Ravensilver wrote: »

Proudspire is a Classic home and has 600, Hall of the Lunar Champion is Notable and has 700. So either this house was not put into the correct category, or they forgot to update it to 700 slots.

And to be honest, I sure could use those 100 extra slots... ^^;;

After checking again, while it is listed under Notable homes, in it's description next to name is "Classic" home. So it seems they misplaced it.

Michae

Oh boy! So the OP asked for a perfectly reasonable thing in a polite manner and the thread turned into a semantics battle for a while arguing whether it's a complaint or a request? Gotta love this community. What's so wrong about complaining any way? And the house wasn't exactly free, it was a part of a marketing strategy. You may have not known that you'd get it if you bought it in May but with basic pattern recognition skills you may have expected something in September since it was so for the last two years. And many people bought the chapter now due to discount and this extra incentive.

Anyway, yes, I agree. The cap is silly and I'm more dissapointed about collectibles cap than traditional furnishings cap. The former is really low even in 700 slot houses and this house would be perfect to pack with housguests to make some sort of tavern. With more and more busts and trophies, as well as mounts and pets, it's really easy to run out of collectible space.

bluebird

I posted about this on the PTS when the Antiquarian's Alpine Gallery was being tested; it seems they didn't find it a good idea and didn't increase the slots.

A shame, because this house is easily twice as large as Proudspire and yet has the same slots. Pretty funny and sad, lol.

MasterSpatula

ESO's housing system has always been hobbled by a wildly inadequate item limits. 700 is too low. 600? That's just shooting decorators in the foot, and there's no good reason for it.

CaffeinatedMayhem

MasterSpatula wrote: »

ESO's housing system has always been hobbled by a wildly inadequate item limits 700 is too low. 600? That's just shooting decorators in the foot, and there's no good reason for it.

OT but I could post quite a few fully decorated homes, no sections walled off, well under the ESO+ limits. It’s possible, you just can’t use 10 things to cobble every piece in the entire home.

rrimöykk

It was 600 on pts. Tons of feedback about the limit being too low. Nothing happened, nothing changed.

Don't get your hopes up.

rrimöykk

bluebird wrote: »

I posted about this on the PTS when the Antiquarian's Alpine Gallery was being tested; it seems they didn't find it a good idea and didn't increase the slots.

A shame, because this house is easily twice as large as Proudspire and yet has the same slots. Pretty funny and sad, lol.

There are many houses with big outside areas, Hundings for example and they've gotten lots of feedback about the cap being too small yet nothing changes. I don't think they gonna change any slots for this one. 600 is easily doable here, just leave your wildest creations for other houses.

Tandor

I don't get the complaints about the number of housing slots. People sound like they either only have one house or that they must have every furnishing item displayed in every one of their houses. I doubt very much that anyone fits into the first category (not least with the free houses and inn rooms available) and I don't see the reasoning behind the second category. If they list all their houses and total up all the furnishing slots between them do they really not have enough? Even those players who build their own house within a house seem to be able to cope just fine judging by the screenshots and videos we see all the time.

Minyassa

It does seem to be an oversight that a Notable is missing 100 slots. It shouldn't be hard to fix that, right? It's not like they have to go in there with little hammers and plink out a hundred tiny notches into things.

esotoon

Tandor wrote: »

I don't get the complaints about the number of housing slots. People sound like they either only have one house or that they must have every furnishing item displayed in every one of their houses. I doubt very much that anyone fits into the first category (not least with the free houses and inn rooms available) and I don't see the reasoning behind the second category. If they list all their houses and total up all the furnishing slots between them do they really not have enough? Even those players who build their own house within a house seem to be able to cope just fine judging by the screenshots and videos we see all the time.

There's another category you missed, besides displaying any furniture you have collected or storage. Some players like to decorate their homes. Some try to make the house as it is look like real homes/scenes. Others take it a step further and create extra rooms, buildings, or completely transform the house so it looks nothing like the house they bought. Decorators like this need all the slots you can get. For example, if you are doing a banqueting table, you have all the food and place settings, the tables, lighting, chairs etc. And that's just for the main table setting, before you even start decorating the room around it and the outside of the house. All those items soon add up.

Tandor

esotoon wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I don't get the complaints about the number of housing slots. People sound like they either only have one house or that they must have every furnishing item displayed in every one of their houses. I doubt very much that anyone fits into the first category (not least with the free houses and inn rooms available) and I don't see the reasoning behind the second category. If they list all their houses and total up all the furnishing slots between them do they really not have enough? Even those players who build their own house within a house seem to be able to cope just fine judging by the screenshots and videos we see all the time.

There's another category you missed, besides displaying any furniture you have collected or storage. Some players like to decorate their homes. Some try to make the house as it is look like real homes/scenes. Others take it a step further and create extra rooms, buildings, or completely transform the house so it looks nothing like the house they bought. Decorators like this need all the slots you can get. For example, if you are doing a banqueting table, you have all the food and place settings, the tables, lighting, chairs etc. And that's just for the main table setting, before you even start decorating the room around it and the outside of the house. All those items soon add up.

That's what I was getting at with my last point. They seem to do fine judging by the screenshots and videos.

bluebird

Tandor wrote: »

esotoon wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I don't get the complaints about the number of housing slots. People sound like they either only have one house or that they must have every furnishing item displayed in every one of their houses. I doubt very much that anyone fits into the first category (not least with the free houses and inn rooms available) and I don't see the reasoning behind the second category. If they list all their houses and total up all the furnishing slots between them do they really not have enough? Even those players who build their own house within a house seem to be able to cope just fine judging by the screenshots and videos we see all the time.

There's another category you missed, besides displaying any furniture you have collected or storage. Some players like to decorate their homes. Some try to make the house as it is look like real homes/scenes. Others take it a step further and create extra rooms, buildings, or completely transform the house so it looks nothing like the house they bought. Decorators like this need all the slots you can get. For example, if you are doing a banqueting table, you have all the food and place settings, the tables, lighting, chairs etc. And that's just for the main table setting, before you even start decorating the room around it and the outside of the house. All those items soon add up.

That's what I was getting at with my last point. They seem to do fine judging by the screenshots and videos.

Not sure what screenshots and videos you're watching, but most housing fans 100% agree that 600/700 is far too low for the majority of Notable homes. And it's not about 'you already have so many houses with so many furniture, you don't need more' (I honestly don't even understand your point there). It's about 'I got this house, so why should it not live up to its fullest potential? Why should I have to compromise?'

Because compromises of some kind are absolutely necessary (unless you have a Spartan or very niche furnishing style or something), and that only leads to frustration. I need to pick whether I want a stocked pantry or a full banquet table, because I can't do both. I need to pick one of the same 3 bookshelves in my house, because I simply can't afford to spend slots on filling up regular shelves, because I had a tea-table on the porch already; and I can't have both.

People like good space/slot ratio homes, because it allows them to have a house with a dressing table that has combs and perfumes on it, a dining table that has more than just a candlestick and two cups on it, as well as a library with reading material, and a non-empty garden all in the same house (like it would be normal). Just because we have many houses with decorations in them doesn't mean we don't want all our homes to be decently decorated rather than half-empty with only a few furnished areas - I don't think this is so absurd or hard to understand.

Arciris

Tandor wrote: »

I don't get the complaints about the number of housing slots. People sound like they either only have one house or that they must have every furnishing item displayed in every one of their houses. I doubt very much that anyone fits into the first category (not least with the free houses and inn rooms available) and I don't see the reasoning behind the second category. If they list all their houses and total up all the furnishing slots between them do they really not have enough? Even those players who build their own house within a house seem to be able to cope just fine judging by the screenshots and videos we see all the time.

Well, in that big house, with ESO+, you get to place 8 mounts or pets or house guests or banker/merchants assistants, as they are all in the same category.

That means with banker, merchant, smuggler and the House Guest who comes with the house, you're left with 4 mounts/pets or other house guests, And that's with Plus because without it, you don't have any slots left.

The same applies to other restrictive categories, such as the number of people you can have in your house.

That is why being a Notable or a Classic makes such a difference.

The 100 more slots are the cherry on top, as more slots is better than less. Like a bank account you know? I suppose I could live on a very small budget, but I rather have a bigger one - gives more life options, like spending in video games

I really don't understand what's so difficult to understand here.

esotoon

Tandor wrote: »

That's what I was getting at with my last point. They seem to do fine judging by the screenshots and videos.

Gah. I read your post multiple times but didn't see your last sentence once. That will teach me to post when I should be sleeping. Sorry about that.