Antiquarian's Alpine Gallery Should have been 700 Slots

Aliyavana

A common complaint about housing in ESO is that we have too little housing slots. No one ever complained that we have too much. Please raise the housing slot cap to 700 as anyone passionate about the housing side of the game knows housing slots limits our creativity.

furiouslog

I'm actually happy that it's 600. 100 more slots is not going to make or break the house. I'm surprised that you're complaining about what is essentially a free gift to the community. Just enjoy it.

Recremen

furiouslog wrote: »

I'm actually happy that it's 600. 100 more slots is not going to make or break the house. I'm surprised that you're complaining about what is essentially a free gift to the community. Just enjoy it.

Big difference between a complaint and a request. I'm sure we're all happy and excited for the thing we bought with the chapter "free" thing, but as far as any of us non-devs know, the item cap is arbitrary. Therefore, a 700 item cap would just be objectively better, as 100 item slots really can make or break a setup.

Dragonnord

furiouslog wrote: »

I'm actually happy that it's 600. 100 more slots is not going to make or break the house. I'm surprised that you're complaining about what is essentially a free gift to the community. Just enjoy it.

Where is she complaining? She is CLEARLY requesting.
 

furiouslog

The word complaint is right there in the OP. It's obviously a complaint with a request for a remedy.

Definition of complaint: "a statement that a situation is unsatisfactory or unacceptable"

Title of post "Antiquarian's Alpine Gallery Should have been 700 Slots" - this is the unsatisfactory condition, further bolstered by the observation "A common complaint about housing in ESO is that we have too little housing slots."

Tell me how this is not a complaint?

DreamsUnderStars

furiouslog wrote: »

I'm actually happy that it's 600. 100 more slots is not going to make or break the house. I'm surprised that you're complaining about what is essentially a free gift to the community. Just enjoy it.

You're assuming it's a complaint just because you don't agree with them. Also they said it's a common complaint (which it is), not that they were complaining.

Making suggesting and requests is how we make things better. Even complaints can make unsatisfactory situations better.

furiouslog

Aliyavana wrote: »

furiouslog wrote: »

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[snip] ZOS gave us something pretty cool for free, which represented an investment of time/money on their end. The general issue of housing slots is a broader issue which I happen to agree with. [snip]

My point is that ZOS deserves credit when they do something good. I'm giving them credit on this one. The intended use of the house is to display antiquities. It's more than able to achieve that end. Anything else is just something you want to do to flex your creative juices. Okay, then work within the boundaries of the medium provided. Bringing the cap issue into this is just plain wrong.

BTW ZOS, thanks for the cool house.

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Aliyavana

furiouslog wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

furiouslog wrote: »

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[snip] ZOS gave us something pretty cool for free, which represented an investment of time/money on their end. The general issue of housing slots is a broader issue which I happen to agree with. [snip]

My point is that ZOS deserves credit when they do something good. I'm giving them credit on this one. The intended use of the house is to display antiquities. It's more than able to achieve that end. Anything else is just something you want to do to flex your creative juices. Okay, then work within the boundaries of the medium provided. Bringing the cap issue into this is just plain wrong.

BTW ZOS, thanks for the cool house.

[snip], I am however calling out the lack of furnishing slots which doesn't allow me to enjoy the gift to the fullest

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Nord_Raseri

Hm, it's listed as Notable in my collections. Weird that it has the same limit as my Classic home, Old Mistveil Manor.

virtus753

Nord_Raseri wrote: »

Hm, it's listed as Notable in my collections. Weird that it has the same limit as my Classic home, Old Mistveil Manor.

That sounds like a bug. If it doesn’t have 350/700 slots, it can’t rightfully be classified as Notable.

ArchMikem

Recremen wrote: »

furiouslog wrote: »

I'm actually happy that it's 600. 100 more slots is not going to make or break the house. I'm surprised that you're complaining about what is essentially a free gift to the community. Just enjoy it.

Big difference between a complaint and a request. I'm sure we're all happy and excited for the thing we bought with the chapter "free" thing,

I bought the Chapter for the Chapter, and had no idea this House was gonna have anything to do with the Chapter, so in my mind, the House is straight, plain free.

Lalothen

600 is fine for this home in my opinion. It's a large but not enormous space that's similar in size to Hunding's Palatial Hall, and likewise already has a complete structure (that also has a less restrictive internal layout than Hunding's) to use as a basis for a build , saving a significant number of slots that would otherwise be used creating something remotely like it. Frankly there's A LOT you can do with 600 furnishings, so perhaps you could take this as an opportunity to challenge yourself to build more efficiently, rather than stating you simply can't "enjoy the gift to the fullest" without an extra 100 slots.

Nomadic_Atmoran

I'm really not surprised by this at all. ZOS swears up and down that they can't up the item slot limit in these houses but continue to release these monstrous houses anyway. One of the reasons why I typically don't do much if anything at all with the free houses they do give us and refuse to buy large houses anymore. Its a scam and ZOS doesn't get called out nearly enough for it.

Lalothen

Nvm looks like I'm basing stuff on outdated info.

Ratzkifal

Wait what? It's not 700? I fully expected it to be 700 the same as the house in Elsweyr and Summerset...
100 small items don't make a big house look full, 100 big items can make a real big difference. But if your big house only looks full if you use 700 big furnishings then it doesn't look very cozy, which is why you have the small furnishings.
But if you don't have any slots left to fit them in because you needed all 700 slots to make the house (and yard) look full, then you'll never be at home in your house!

Let's hope it ends up being a house that's easy to make full and cozy... otherwise that 100 slot difference will hurt...

Recremen

ArchMikem wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

furiouslog wrote: »

I'm actually happy that it's 600. 100 more slots is not going to make or break the house. I'm surprised that you're complaining about what is essentially a free gift to the community. Just enjoy it.

Big difference between a complaint and a request. I'm sure we're all happy and excited for the thing we bought with the chapter "free" thing,

I bought the Chapter for the Chapter, and had no idea this House was gonna have anything to do with the Chapter, so in my mind, the House is straight, plain free.

Sure, you're free to look at it that way, and I certainly don't mean to make this all sound negative. But realistically, this asset has been around since the launch of the chapter and this contest was the only way to obtain it, and the way to obtain it was by participating in an activity that is only available through the chapter. It was a super fun "contest", but the outcome was ultimately predetermined and the fun was had in the process of winning, not really in the chance that we wouldn't.

TequilaFire

More problematic is a limit on 40 collectables, just the 21 or so statues collected use half that right our of the box.
Don't get me wrong, the house is appreciated, just wish it was a pool of item slots that could be used for any type of collectable or furnishing, not segmented.

Recremen

TequilaFire wrote: »

More problematic is a limit on 40 collectables, just the 21 or so statues collected use half that right our of the box.
Don't get me wrong, the house is appreciated, just wish it was a pool of item slots that could be used for any type of collectable or furnishing, not segmented.

I know for stuff like mounts they had to keep it that way because the gambling box mounts absolutely destroy consoles, but I'm not sure how many other types of collectibles were that bad, especially since I'm hard-pressed to think of any with moving parts. Pets, obviously. What else? Are they just way-too-high polycount?

Arciris

TequilaFire wrote: »

More problematic is a limit on 40 collectables, just the 21 or so statues collected use half that right our of the box.
Don't get me wrong, the house is appreciated, just wish it was a pool of item slots that could be used for any type of collectable or furnishing, not segmented.

This is exactly what I thought. The issue is not with the 100 more or less traditional furnishing but with the cap in all other kind of categories.

>It means less House guests/pets/mounts/assistants - who all share the same cap.

>It means that a house that would fit the purpose of displaying undaunted busts and trophies is severely more limited than in a regular NOTABLE house.

>It means that you can receive HALF the visitors you would in any other NOTABLE house.

For me it is a letdown, as the house is based on Inns/Taverns layouts in-game, it would have made a cool Undaunted Explorer gathering place, but the cap on visitor, special collectibles and others make it a lot less appealing.

I really don't see why a house that is as big as some other Notable houses end up not getting the same treatment.

I hope this is a BUG and it will be fixed soon

Ravensilver

Am I wrong in resenting the fact that 90 of the 600 slots are already taken up with stuff that ZOS put there? >.< And it's all bound, so I can't even sell it? >.>

SilentFox22

I do not understand why they keep releasing these huge arse homesteads without making them "notable" with the full 700 slots and 24 visitor caps. The large homesteads are big enough to host very large gatherings of players - which would be great for guild homes. Guilds have a 500 player cap yet only 12-24 guildies can be there at a time which just seems ridiculous to me as far as utility goes. Makes it difficult to hold guild events and meetings and meetups. You either have to risk your gatherings being interrupted in open world or have to host events multiple times so everyone has a chance to attend and participate.

Personally, I find the new Alpine Antiquity homestead quite lovely. However, I have never needed that much "house" for any of my character homes. I'd much prefer small/med size homes with the larger land space. I tried to make a little cottage out of the barn outside, but hiding the large manor next to it with the largest boulders and trees I could find easily eats up my furnishing count. So that is what I could use the extra 100 furnishing slots for.

scorpius2k1

virtus753 wrote: »

Nord_Raseri wrote: »

Hm, it's listed as Notable in my collections. Weird that it has the same limit as my Classic home, Old Mistveil Manor.

That sounds like a bug. If it doesn’t have 350/700 slots, it can’t rightfully be classified as Notable.

Interesting. I appreciate the free house either way so personally, idc. Who knows, maybe there is a "Notable" difference in slots between a FREE home (600) and a Crown Store BOUGHT home (700) which are setup as a selling point or simply just an oversight in ZOS' design choices. What is interesting is the Psijiic Villa is classified as notable and has 700 slots and that is also not near enough to fill that huge place. Seems maybe about 1000 slots as a standard would be appropriate for notable homes.

SilentFox22 wrote: »

Guilds have a 500 player cap yet only 12-24 guildies can be there at a time which just seems ridiculous to me as far as utility goes. Makes it difficult to hold guild events and meetings and meetups.

^^ And this too while we're on the topic of limitations. Aside from the free homes, the price of housing is astronomical for notable homes (most over $100 USD) so why there are such low limitations in the first place is beyond me. People pay for stuff, they expect to be able to use it properly.

Hopefully ZOS will chime in with some official words/thoughts, forum mods have already moderated posts here so maybe they can also relay the concerns? Idk.

Jeremy

More slots would be nice. 600 slots isn't enough for a big house (even 700 isn't enough) and severely limits what you can do with one. It's so bad a lot of people I know actually block off sections of their house so they can make it look better and less sparse.

Sarannah

ZOS should add 100 maximum furnishings slots for every home we own, and to every home we own. This way we can place more furnishings, and players will have a reason to buy multiple homes. And it kinda makes sense, more houses = more stuff.

esotoon

Recremen wrote: »

Sure, you're free to look at it that way, and I certainly don't mean to make this all sound negative. But realistically, this asset has been around since the launch of the chapter and this contest was the only way to obtain it, and the way to obtain it was by participating in an activity that is only available through the chapter. It was a super fun "contest", but the outcome was ultimately predetermined and the fun was had in the process of winning, not really in the chance that we wouldn't.

Not to mention the fact that it is part of a marketing campaign. Greymoor is on sale. The only way to get the 'free' house is to buy Greymoor. So it increases the perceived value of that Greymoor purchase for anyone who was undecided. The event/'free' house also generates more buzz amongst the community, who then post about it on social media, or tell friends about it, which gives ZOS a ton of free publicity.

End result, ZOS makes even more profit. If it was genuinely a 'free' house, it should cause them to lose money.

Remember folks, companies are not your friend. They do not do anything out of the kindness of their hearts. And just because you don't 'pay' for something directly with cash, doesn't mean you haven't paid with it through other means or at other times.

Nomadic_Atmoran

Ravensilver wrote: »

Am I wrong in resenting the fact that 90 of the 600 slots are already taken up with stuff that ZOS put there? >.< And it's all bound, so I can't even sell it? >.>

Probably about 1/3rd of those are lights inside and out followed by trees, tables and finally rocks. Some of which are in far away spots on the property most people will not spend any time near. Just spent about an hour clearing out the clutter inside and removing a few boulders that were literally tucked in a corner of the map that's off the beaten path.

Ravensilver

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

Probably about 1/3rd of those are lights inside and out followed by trees, tables and finally rocks. Some of which are in far away spots on the property most people will not spend any time near. Just spent about an hour clearing out the clutter inside and removing a few boulders that were literally tucked in a corner of the map that's off the beaten path.

So far I've collected 24 tables of all types. I'm not really sure what I'm going to do with 24 Solitude tables... *ponders*

Jeremy

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

Ravensilver wrote: »

Am I wrong in resenting the fact that 90 of the 600 slots are already taken up with stuff that ZOS put there? >.< And it's all bound, so I can't even sell it? >.>

Probably about 1/3rd of those are lights inside and out followed by trees, tables and finally rocks. Some of which are in far away spots on the property most people will not spend any time near. Just spent about an hour clearing out the clutter inside and removing a few boulders that were literally tucked in a corner of the map that's off the beaten path.

Just in case you were unaware, you can retrieve furnishings without having to hunt them down manually.

Jaimeh

I also thought it would have had a 700 slots cap. Too bad, the interior and exterior are quite spacious, so the extra 100 slots would have been handy.

SgtPepperUK

Arciris wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

More problematic is a limit on 40 collectables, just the 21 or so statues collected use half that right our of the box.
Don't get me wrong, the house is appreciated, just wish it was a pool of item slots that could be used for any type of collectable or furnishing, not segmented.

This is exactly what I thought. The issue is not with the 100 more or less traditional furnishing but with the cap in all other kind of categories.

>It means less House guests/pets/mounts/assistants - who all share the same cap.

>It means that a house that would fit the purpose of displaying undaunted busts and trophies is severely more limited than in a regular NOTABLE house.

>It means that you can receive HALF the visitors you would in any other NOTABLE house.

For me it is a letdown, as the house is based on Inns/Taverns layouts in-game, it would have made a cool Undaunted Explorer gathering place, but the cap on visitor, special collectibles and others make it a lot less appealing.

I really don't see why a house that is as big as some other Notable houses end up not getting the same treatment.

I hope this is a BUG and it will be fixed soon

At the very least, the situation with Undaunted Trophies and Busts is easily solvable for ZOS - Just add buyable versions that fall under the normal furnishing category, gate them by achievements like a number of items in the game.