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Another forced PvP Event So Soon?

  • Vanagrand
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    Im only worried about the new bug in IC when some skills, on my magdk leap, gets graeyed and i have to port out and in to be able to use it.
  • gatekeeper13
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    lucky_Sage wrote: »
    Every stam player runes the same 5 or so proc sets it’s not a secret and the two your talking about they have been running them since greymoor launched now zos just added a few more to use to do your dmg for you

    They are actually pre-Greymoor sets. Most good pvp players I ve died from (and they are truly better than me), never killed me with proc sets but with their skills. Personally dont have any problem with people using dot sets, I use from time to time too depending on the situation, but whispering someone to call him "useless" etc when you are not a skilled player, is idiotic the least.
  • hafgood
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    Just go into IC before it starts and complete the 6 daily quests on couple of characters. Then just hand one in per day to get the event tickets.

    Means you don't have to get involved heavily in PvP but can still get the benefits of the event.
  • Taleof2Cities
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    Looks like the OP has left.

    Maybe it’s sinking in now ... ?
  • Aptonoth
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    Yeah, we can get double Tel Var stones that others can steal when they gank us!

    What a great idea!

    We don't even have the Cyrodil dailies to give other chances for a daily quest.

    I am sure this will make many PvP players happy as the have lots of targets. Why fix the bugs in PvP whe. You can generate lots of easy targets instead?

    I'll run dungeons for my tickets.
  • Cloudtrader
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    With only 2 dungeons dropping the tickets, and the current lag in instances problems, I highly, highly recommend people bank Imperial City dailies before the even actually starts and then turn in one per day.
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    Yeah, we can get double Tel Var stones that others can steal when they gank us!

    What a great idea!

    We don't even have the Cyrodil dailies to give other chances for a daily quest.

    I am sure this will make many PvP players happy as the have lots of targets. Why fix the bugs in PvP whe. You can generate lots of easy targets instead?

    Here's what you do.

    You go to IC now. Not on Sept 3. Now. Preferably last week but oh well.

    Do 13 quests. If that means 13 alts then do 13 alts. If that means 5 quests on 3 alts then there you go.

    Come Sep 3 turn 1 in each morning and open your glorious box

    Then go about your day with no PVP and no forced anything.
  • markulrich1966
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    I think this time I will skip completely. We just had midyear mayhem, I did not like it.
    Was playing it though to get event tickets.

    But the rewards this time are underwhelming:

    - yet another indrik (yawn)
    - imperial furniture that nobody likes (the reward furniture from quests is lowprice in guildstores)
    - motifs that do not count for the "learn 50 motifs" achievement and that I never see worn by other players

    So I do not need tickets, except maybe a few to fill them up for the next event. So this wll be a very short event for me.
  • Jaraal
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    I guess it's a choice between longer and repetitive dungeons vs six quests that have the potential to be way more exciting than you want, including getting roadblocked by enemy players.

    If you don't like PvP, but want to run the event for your tickets, it's way faster to jump off a ledge and kill 4 daedroth or flame atronachs, and kill dremora and loot 8 documents, then run up to an enemy player and let them kill you in three seconds so you can respawn in your base and hand in your daily than to run an entire dungeon.

    The key to not hating PvP for PvEers is to accept the fact that you're going to die a lot while doing your PvE in Imperial City, so put your pride on hold for a bit and just let it happen. You don't lose experience, your gear doesn't degrade when killed by players, and sometimes the best way to get back to your base is to die and respawn there anyway. Honestly.... I suck at PvP, and avoided it for years.... but there may come a time when you want to grab those missing skyshards that are keeping you from the accomplishment and also get the skill points that are available to you. And after I read up on IC and got some information about what to do and how to do it, I just bit the bullet and tried it out. And frankly, it's become my favorite zone and the one I play in the most.

    Some tips for people new to Imperial City who are PvE focused:

    1) Bank all that Tel Var you have accumulated from events and daily rewards before you even set foot in the districts or the sewers.

    You will lose half of what you carry each time you die, so if you go in with zero, you won't lose much. And PvPers that kill you will see right away that you aren't profitable, and they may be more likely to look for fatter targets next time they see you. Plus, if you go down fast without a fight, many will be courteous and leave you alone next time, realizing that you aren't a challenge and are just doing dailies or farming daedra. I can't tell you how many times I've faced off against an enemy player, and we both just looked at each other and went our separate ways. They may be just like you and rather be somewhere else, and be grateful to be able to walk away, too. Obviously, there are quests for killing a certain number of enemy players, so expect to die. But these are regular people playing these toons, and sometimes you get the unexpected pass, and it's cool when it does happen.

    2) Grab all six dailies at once, before even setting foot in the Districts, and if you're new to the zone, talk to the Drake of Blades to get the zone quest that awards Tel Var and skill points. You can do that alongside the dailies... kill two birds with one stone.

    In your alliance base is a room with six ladders, one for each district. The daily quest givers are at the top of each ladder, in a safe spot. As long as you stay up on the ledge and away from the edges, you will be safe, and can interact with the NPCs. Get the quest, and go back down the ladder. Repeat this with each ladder, until you have all six repeatable quests.

    The reason for this is that once you jump off the ledge into the District proper, the ways to get back and turn in the quest are limited. There are doors between each District, and if you leave one and enter another, it's good to already have the quest so you can work on it without having to go back.

    3) If you see people from your Alliance standing around a flag.... join them ASAP!

    Each district is controlled by an Alliance. The capture point is a flag near the middle of the map, closest to the White Gold Tower. It is guarded by three NPCs who are of the controlling faction. If you kill the three guards, the flag will begin the process of converting to your faction, and if you stand there long enough, you will get a District capture achievement, decent experience, and most importantly, 1500 Alliance Points. The AP allows you to buy gear from Cyrodiil vendors, including The Golden in your Cyro base. It's also required to level both of your Alliance vs Alliance skill trees, and is one way to earn back the Rapid Maneuvers ZOS so unceremoniously ganked from many players.

    Be aware that folks can easily see on the map when a flag is under attack, so be prepared for a fight. There are a lot of defensive sets that can be worn, CP that can be respecced to anti-player, Impenetrable traits, etc.... but the simplest thing you can do to avoid dying quickly is to block and roll out of harm's way. It may buy you just enough time to be saved by your teammates, or it may send another PvE player who saw an opportunity for a potentially easy battle running the other way when they see it's not going to be a quick kill. Odds are it will be a veteran PvPer who will simply freeze you in place as you die in seconds, however, it never hurts to hold block during a flag flip to mitigate that gap closer from stealth that would have taken you by complete surprise.

    4) Put a Glyph Of Prismatic Onslaught on an Infused weapon, and craft a set of Torug's Pact armor for yourself to kill daedra and undead much, much faster.

    Other than a few human type fighters (more prevalant in some areas than others), the vast majority of Imperial City, including the sewers and the two dungeons, are daedra and undead. Specializing to kill them will make your job a lot faster and easier. The glyph is very effective against vampire players as well. Also, there are Fighters Guild passives that let you generate more ultimate when killing these types and that provide 20% more damage against them when using Fighter's Guild skills on them.

    5) When you open your daily quest rewards (year-round blue Siegemaster's Coffers, not the event coffers), only open ONE every 20 hours, or you will lose your Siege Of Cyrodiil Merits.

    You can only earn one every twenty hours per account, and if you open your coffers sooner than that they will just disappear. They are used for a hat runebox, as well as two full costume runeboxes, including the new Timbercrow Wanderer costume. And even if you're not interested in the costumes, they are still worth 500 gold each to merchants.

    There are also three Xivkyn polymorphs that can be bought with Tel Var, as well as a number of decent and useful armor sets. And it's the easiest place to get Hakeijo runes, which can then be sold to players.

    6) Get in a group, your odds of survival increase greatly!

    Nothing more fun than being in a zerg of 24 players rolling through the Districts or sewers killing everything in it's path, including the bosses that drop antiquity leads for furnishings and mythic armor pieces. This event will be your best chance to acquire these leads. Also the style pages that will have a chance to drop from bosses. Zerging through the sewers is also the easiest way to get the skyshards near the enemy bases, too.


    There's a lot more that can be said, but really, part of the fun is discovering new things for yourself. Don't avoid IC and Cyro because you don't know what they're about, find out firsthand. You may be like the many players who learned what fun places they can actually be, and it can give you another option to enjoy with your playing time.


    Edited by Jaraal on August 29, 2020 6:12PM
  • anadandy
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    - imperial furniture that nobody likes (the reward furniture from quests is lowprice in guildstores)

    I beg to differ. Aside from the single bed, the bookcase and a brazier (level up rewards and not part of the event ticket list), this is the only way to get Imperial furnishings outside the Crown Store. This is like the only event where there is something I WANT to spend my tickets on :)

  • Vevvev
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    The one PVP event with a PVE side and people are still complaining??? Really?!? :confused:

    If you do pick to do the PVP side there are many ways to avoid gankers. From invisibility all the way to stacking speed buffs and purges. If you do have to head back to base and there is a blockade you can queue for a Cyrodiil campaign or consume a Sigil of Imperial Retreat which you can buy from the Tel Var general merchant for alliance points.
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  • Thechuckage
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    Optional event that can be completed with no PvP whatsoever.
    Im being persecuted.

    As I side note, not a fan of PvPvE, would not mind seeing this particular zone being separated.
  • oregonrob
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    When you have to game an event (do dailies and bank them) in order not to have to endure that event, there is a problem. Forcing people to go to Imperial City is not going to make them want to do PVP. The fact that PVP is all but dead except during these events, should be an indicator that this approach is not working.

    This is not meant to be a bash PVP post. PVP needs their events like PVE does. Just stop trying to force PVE players from having to go to a PVP zone for PVE rewards. Conversely, offer PVP items and rewards only in PVP zones so that PVP players do not have to play PVE. For those who want to do both, make sure PVE and PVP events do not happen at the same time.



  • Linaleah
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    adendum to if you decide to do the quests now, or during event. occasionally, not often but occasionally - there will be players that will farm you even knowing that you have no tel var to take. because some people are... like that. if you respawn, go back to where you were doing the quest and get killed by the very same ganker who JUST got you, and so they know you have no tel var to spare - you have several options.

    1. switch districts and do a different daily. gankers like that tend to stick to a district. there may be a different ganker in a different district. there may not. but more often then not, just switching districts and focusing on a different daily is enough to let you finish at least one quest without continued molestation
    2. switch campaigns. even if ZoS forgets... again, that these events require added campaigns, during mayhem, they added them few hours after event start - so there will be several campaigns to chose from. I have found that occasionally, it might be actualy easier to do the quests in campaigns dominated by a different faction vs yours - because gankers go where they can do maximum ganking. so there is a good chance that you end up in a campaign with a ganker of your own faction, which actualy makes it easier to do quests, rather then harder.
    3. come back later. this option is for when all else fails and you really REALLY don't want to pug white gold tower for whatever reason (hey - totally valid - and the reason I specifically said WGT is becasue its both easier and significantly shorter then imperial prison, making it a better choice for faster tickets if that's the only thing you are after). sometimes you just gotta let the children get it out of their system, before they get bored farming easy targets and leave - so if you can play few hours later, you may just end up having much easier time.


    and whenever possible - do extra dailies so if you can NOT come back later (or just need a break), you have one or several saved up to get those tickets every day anyways.
    Edited by Linaleah on August 29, 2020 7:42PM
    dirty worthless casual.
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  • Elvenheart
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    OldManJim wrote: »
    [Quoted post was removed]

    This made me laugh out loud 😂
    Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on August 30, 2020 3:59PM
  • Raisin
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    oregonrob wrote: »
    When you have to game an event (do dailies and bank them) in order not to have to endure that event, there is a problem. Forcing people to go to Imperial City is not going to make them want to do PVP. The fact that PVP is all but dead except during these events, should be an indicator that this approach is not working.

    This is not meant to be a bash PVP post. PVP needs their events like PVE does. Just stop trying to force PVE players from having to go to a PVP zone for PVE rewards. Conversely, offer PVP items and rewards only in PVP zones so that PVP players do not have to play PVE. For those who want to do both, make sure PVE and PVP events do not happen at the same time.



    I may be misreading this, but are you implying that the event rewards (tickets, mounts, styles, furniture, etc.) somehow qualify as 'PVE rewards'? Because ZOS pretty much does what you say, by putting these rewards up for both PVP and PVE events. At best one could argue that they need to be more liberal with tickts, so that people can skip out on which event they don't wanna do. That would require them to raise up the number of PVP events by quite a bit though, so the number is equal to PVE. But to be honest I'm not sure if getting the Indrik is truly impossible if you skip MYM, which is the only PVP-oly event (and technically tickets there can be gotten fairly safely by doing scouting, which rarely results in running into other players).

    All of this is moot discussion of course, because DUNGEONS ARE STILL PVE CONTENT. Literally no one is being forced to PVP. or enter IC.
    Edited by Raisin on August 29, 2020 7:53PM
  • oregonrob
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    All of this is moot discussion of course, because DUNGEONS ARE STILL PVE CONTENT. Literally no one is being forced to PVP. or enter IC.

    The poster above makes some good points especially in terms of the ticket inflation. But it did not address the fact that many people do not want to do dungeons that yield loot that is not usable for them and/or look at the Imperial City as being the worst PVP experience. It also did not address the fact that people are going to go IC over the next few days, do dailies and not claim them, and then for the most part, avoid the event. IC is a ghost town outside of these events which is one of the reasons why it was offered for free. Why have an event in a zone that is clearly not popular?
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    Looks like the OP has left.

    Maybe it’s sinking in now ... ?

    No. I have this thing called sleep....

    This even greatly limits the scope. Someone said to just do things in Cyrodil, but that is not an option now.

    We also just had a PvP event very recently.

    I will try the dungeons again, but I thought one or both of those were the ones I kept dying on the final boss to things that surprised me. Those are an acceptable alternative if these are not two of the hardest normal dungeons.

    And I can do dungeons, just not some of them. Sorry if that means I need to L2P in the eyes of many.

    I am still part of the audience and pay my money to play. Pushing all PvP into a small area (6 zones) where gakers can camp quest points is a very bad idea.
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  • Jaraal
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    oregonrob wrote: »
    Why have an event in a zone that is clearly not popular?

    My guess is that they want to have a live test of their "backend changes" under load. But I'm afraid, based upon the new bugs introduced to IC with Update 27 (gap closers greyed out and unusable, for instance), that they aren't going to be pleased with the results.

    This is another good reason to stock up the dailies for turn in once a day. It's entirely possible they may shut things down for long periods of time to address issues, like they have done in the past. And if past action is a predictor of future action, they may not extend the event to make up for lost time. So being able to take advantage of a potentially brief window of opportunity to hand in quests could be a wise strategy.

  • zaria
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    The dungeons are super easy nowadays, so you aren't really forced to pvp.
    And you can do it in normal.

    And very probably more campaigns will open up,
    Grinding just make you go in circles.
    Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.
  • Thechuckage
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    Looks like the OP has left.

    Maybe it’s sinking in now ... ?

    No. I have this thing called sleep....

    This even greatly limits the scope. Someone said to just do things in Cyrodil, but that is not an option now.

    We also just had a PvP event very recently.

    I will try the dungeons again, but I thought one or both of those were the ones I kept dying on the final boss to things that surprised me. Those are an acceptable alternative if these are not two of the hardest normal dungeons.

    And I can do dungeons, just not some of them. Sorry if that means I need to L2P in the eyes of many.

    I am still part of the audience and pay my money to play. Pushing all PvP into a small area (6 zones) where gakers can camp quest points is a very bad idea.

    Should every event have 5 different ways to get the tickets? Or maybe they poll every player before every event to see whats agreeable.
    Both are un-workable and frankly ludicrous options.

    Seems like there are a few options here. Bank some dailies, get better at the dungeons, run the gank-gauntlet or not participate. I suppose you could add buy the tickets with crowns (a detestable *option* IMO)
  • VaranisArano
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    oregonrob wrote: »
    When you have to game an event (do dailies and bank them) in order not to have to endure that event, there is a problem. Forcing people to go to Imperial City is not going to make them want to do PVP. The fact that PVP is all but dead except during these events, should be an indicator that this approach is not working.

    This is not meant to be a bash PVP post. PVP needs their events like PVE does. Just stop trying to force PVE players from having to go to a PVP zone for PVE rewards. Conversely, offer PVP items and rewards only in PVP zones so that PVP players do not have to play PVE. For those who want to do both, make sure PVE and PVP events do not happen at the same time.

    Gaming the system is a new one this year, due to the event tickets being tied to the dailies.

    Last year, all we had to do was kill a boss in Imperial City, or finish the dungeons. Oh, the woes and lamentations from people who hated PVP but just wanted quick tickets from the Imperial City bosses!

    Oh, right, no one was being forced to PVP. Not last year and not this year either.

    If you don't want to PVP, run the dungeons! You'll get the same event rewards (minus double Tel Var). Don't whine when you come to a PVP-enabled zone for quick rewards and *gasp* PVP happens.
  • ForzaRammer
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    or farm vwgt for spc?
  • Linaleah
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    or farm vwgt for spc?

    why veteran, when you can smash through normal much faster and easier? spc drops in both, and upgrading to purple might be a heck of a lot less headache/time invested
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  • Emmagoldman
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    Yeah, we can get double Tel Var stones that others can steal when they gank us!

    What a great idea!

    We don't even have the Cyrodil dailies to give other chances for a daily quest.

    I am sure this will make many PvP players happy as the have lots of targets. Why fix the bugs in PvP whe. You can generate lots of easy targets instead?

    Just dont do it!!!! I dont understand what the issue is, if its not enjoyable dont play the event. There are plenty of events I skip out on and guess what, I made it. Not sure how I survived
  • Linaleah
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    oregonrob wrote: »
    When you have to game an event (do dailies and bank them) in order not to have to endure that event, there is a problem. Forcing people to go to Imperial City is not going to make them want to do PVP. The fact that PVP is all but dead except during these events, should be an indicator that this approach is not working.

    This is not meant to be a bash PVP post. PVP needs their events like PVE does. Just stop trying to force PVE players from having to go to a PVP zone for PVE rewards. Conversely, offer PVP items and rewards only in PVP zones so that PVP players do not have to play PVE. For those who want to do both, make sure PVE and PVP events do not happen at the same time.

    Gaming the system is a new one this year, due to the event tickets being tied to the dailies.

    Last year, all we had to do was kill a boss in Imperial City, or finish the dungeons. Oh, the woes and lamentations from people who hated PVP but just wanted quick tickets from the Imperial City bosses!

    Oh, right, no one was being forced to PVP. Not last year and not this year either.

    If you don't want to PVP, run the dungeons! You'll get the same event rewards (minus double Tel Var). Don't whine when you come to a PVP-enabled zone for quick rewards and *gasp* PVP happens.

    part of the problem with imperial city bosses wasn't even the ganking (though it was plentiful) part of the problem was that many of the bosses were bugged and would NOT drop the tickets. and its not that they were the "wrong" bosses either. they were the same type, but some would drop tickets and others... would not (even if you were eligible for loot... which is a whole other can of worms)

    but anyways...
    dirty worthless casual.
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  • Taunky
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    What about all the other forced PvE events? :triumph:
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    It gets even better. Just wait until it starts and you'll see what I mean. :o
  • CaptainVenom
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    You are not forced to participate, you know...
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  • doomette
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    Linaleah wrote: »
    adendum to if you decide to do the quests now, or during event. occasionally, not often but occasionally - there will be players that will farm you even knowing that you have no tel var to take. because some people are... like that. if you respawn, go back to where you were doing the quest and get killed by the very same ganker who JUST got you, and so they know you have no tel var to spare - you have several options.

    4 (if you do plan on PVPing more after) Note the gamertag and view them as KOS, because it turns out they aren’t as big and bad when they’re not up against a lowbie alt with few skills unlocked. 😎
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