rapids change
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nukk3r✭✭✭✭✭
✭Let's see how the defenders of change will sing when there is always a crowd of noobs on their side.
And they will simply because they need this skill.
Well, maybe these crowds of noobs will learn something and become interested in PvP. I, for myself, was never toxic to new players in PvP and, contrary to the popular belief, many PvP'ers aren't either.6 -
etchedpixels✭✭✭✭✭
✭ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »You don't even need to go to cyro, just lose 12 BG matches and reach your level 5. Either way is about 2 hours per character.
So we PVE only folks should all ruin BG for people by signing in to 12 BG matches and going to the loo whilst we stand still and die ?
I guess I can do that, just strikes me as a bit anti-social ;-)Too many toons not enough time2 -
Sgrug✭✭✭✭✭Let's see how the defenders of change will sing when there is always a crowd of noobs on their side.
And they will simply because they need this skill.
Well, maybe these crowds of noobs will learn something and become interested in PvP. I, for myself, was never toxic to new players in PvP and, contrary to the popular belief, many PvP'ers aren't either.
Requiring someone to do something rarely encourages them to like it, in fact the opposite tends to happen.10 -
TheRealPotoroo✭✭✭✭✭
✭Let's see how the defenders of change will sing when there is always a crowd of noobs on their side.
And they will simply because they need this skill.
Well, maybe these crowds of noobs will learn something and become interested in PvP. I, for myself, was never toxic to new players in PvP and, contrary to the popular belief, many PvP'ers aren't either.
Being bullied into something just makes people resentful.PC NA, PC EU
"Instead of taking the best of the dolmens (predictable rotation), the best of the geysers (scalability based on number of players), and the best of the dragons (map location and health indicators) and adding them together to make a fun and dynamic world event scenario, they gave us....... harrowstorms." https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6850523/#Comment_685052320 -
DarcyMardin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭TheRealPotoroo wrote: »
Agreed. If it’s so quick and easy to get to level 5 in assault, why all the previous complaints about how long it took stam characters to get vigor?
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nukk3r✭✭✭✭✭
✭etchedpixels wrote: »You don't even need to go to cyro, just lose 12 BG matches and reach your level 5. Either way is about 2 hours per character.
So we PVE only folks should all ruin BG for people by signing in to 12 BG matches and going to the loo whilst we stand still and die ?
I guess I can do that, just strikes me as a bit anti-social ;-)
There's a difference between sabotage and honest defeat. I think you shouldn't give up without trying.3 -
Thaliff✭✭All it really does is gimp new players/alts in Cyrodil to the point that you need riding max before you even think about participating in anything.
Lazy change7 -
TESO_sb✭✭✭Let's see how the defenders of change will sing when there is always a crowd of noobs on their side.
And they will simply because they need this skill.
Well, maybe these crowds of noobs will learn something and become interested in PvP. I, for myself, was never toxic to new players in PvP and, contrary to the popular belief, many PvP'ers aren't either.
forcibly driving players into activities that they are not interested in?
And now let's imagine the following change: "I will take away all skills from you and they will issue one for each role played in the tavern." Do you like something new? Maybe you like this?11 -
nukk3r✭✭✭✭✭
✭Let's see how the defenders of change will sing when there is always a crowd of noobs on their side.
And they will simply because they need this skill.
Well, maybe these crowds of noobs will learn something and become interested in PvP. I, for myself, was never toxic to new players in PvP and, contrary to the popular belief, many PvP'ers aren't either.
forcibly driving players into activities that they are not interested in?
And now let's imagine the following change: "I will take away all skills from you and they will issue one for each role played in the tavern." Do you like something new? Maybe you like this?
Don't threaten me with a good time. I will put my pen and paper RPG experience to good use and win your roleplaying competition. Will there be achievements, dyes, and titles?1 -
TESO_sb✭✭✭Let's see how the defenders of change will sing when there is always a crowd of noobs on their side.
And they will simply because they need this skill.
Well, maybe these crowds of noobs will learn something and become interested in PvP. I, for myself, was never toxic to new players in PvP and, contrary to the popular belief, many PvP'ers aren't either.
forcibly driving players into activities that they are not interested in?
And now let's imagine the following change: "I will take away all skills from you and they will issue one for each role played in the tavern." Do you like something new? Maybe you like this?
Don't threaten me with a good time. I will put my pen and paper RPG experience to good use and win your roleplaying competition. Will there be achievements, dyes, and titles?
not. there will be 1 skill, for 5-6 hours of time spent and rejection from the game, tk. You will not have the necessary equipment, unlike those who have been doing this for a long time.5 -
nukk3r✭✭✭✭✭
✭Let's see how the defenders of change will sing when there is always a crowd of noobs on their side.
And they will simply because they need this skill.
Well, maybe these crowds of noobs will learn something and become interested in PvP. I, for myself, was never toxic to new players in PvP and, contrary to the popular belief, many PvP'ers aren't either.
forcibly driving players into activities that they are not interested in?
And now let's imagine the following change: "I will take away all skills from you and they will issue one for each role played in the tavern." Do you like something new? Maybe you like this?
Don't threaten me with a good time. I will put my pen and paper RPG experience to good use and win your roleplaying competition. Will there be achievements, dyes, and titles?
not. there will be 1 skill, for 5-6 hours of time spent and rejection from the game, tk. You will not have the necessary equipment, unlike those who have been doing this for a long time.
Yeah, just as I thought, because roleplay is not inherently in this game's design. It's provided by players and not the game itself. But even then, if there was a natural progression to this, I'd do it. Momma didn't raise a quitter.2 -
Ratinira✭✭✭✭Not everyone has a luxury of eternal free time to play what they don't like...
Some people play only what they enjoy to play13 -
buttaface✭✭✭✭✭First world propband its hilarious to call out on zos because they secretly wanted to sell more riding books, cuz you know everyone has 17 chars that SOME REASON need rapid manouver.
I have rapids on many toons, use it on the bar of exactly one of those, my gatherer. Cyro needs it admittedly, rest of ESO world the zones are really too small and twisty/multileveled to use it to much effect despite all the many rationalizations to the contrary. First world problem, still waiting for some logical, reasonable rationale for needing it on a multitude of alts, doubt we'll be seeing that anytime soon other than "but but... I wants it!"
OTOH, a majority of stam toons doing any group content can use vigor. Great change.
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LandmannX✭✭✭[snip] The players get angry, and ZOS go's forward without responding to the players' opinions. This has been going on for a long time and is getting worse. A game that was once good turns into a variety of things. A badly matched game.
Players don't care, the main thing is that new players donate money.
Everything is put into the advertising and nothing into the product.
[snip] What is in a year does not matter.
Sorry, that's true. :'(
[Edited to remove Bashing]Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on August 24, 2020 5:43PM5 -
Ratinira✭✭✭✭First world propband its hilarious to call out on zos because they secretly wanted to sell more riding books, cuz you know everyone has 17 chars that SOME REASON need rapid manouver.
I have rapids on many toons, use it on the bar of exactly one of those, my gatherer. Cyro needs it admittedly, rest of ESO world the zones are really too small and twisty/multileveled to use it to much effect despite all the many rationalizations to the contrary. First world problem, still waiting for some logical, reasonable rationale for needing it on a multitude of alts, doubt we'll be seeing that anytime soon other than "but but... I wants it!"
OTOH, a majority of stam toons doing any group content can use vigor. Great change.
I used rapid on all my tunes if I need to get somewhere quickly or if I want move quicker. For example to limited-time events or if I am riding with a group on a low-lvl toon.
None of my stam toons ever used vigor. None of my mag toons ever needed vigor.
That change has nothing to do with vigor or helping stam characters. If they only wanted to give vigor for free they could have done it without toching rapid. They wanted to remove rapid - they did it.11 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭My feelings are:
(1) Doesn't really matter for PvP because it takes no time for someone doing PvP to unlock both;
(2) Clearly worse for magicka characters as they would never use vigor and might get value from rapids, but I don't think you build that skill line based on what magicka characters need.
(3) Vigor is a big help for people leveling first character.
(4) Loss of rapids will be missed when leveling alts and trying to do things as fast as possible, which is a far less important consideration than #3.
Personally, I got more value from rapids leveling my alts, but I have 18 max level characters at this point. There were times though when doing random dungeons on those alts where I really missed having vigor. I can imagine this is far more significant for newer players.4 -
PizzaCat82✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Gotta go see which alts need Assault lvl 5.. I'm pretty sure none of the 15 alts of mine are below that but probably should make sure.Edited by PizzaCat82 on August 24, 2020 5:49PM1 -
Why did they not make a base skill which you can morf into Vigor or Rapid so everybody is happy.2 -
Elvenheart✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭SydneyGrey wrote: »
Your way of playing is not any more valid than anyone else's way of playing, so stop with the condescending attitude. You are not more important than anyone else.SydneyGrey wrote: »They only care about PvP, dungeons and trials. They really don't care about players who like to make a dozen alts for fun, or who roleplay. They want to force everyone to do PvP even if they don't want to. Looks like they've ignored all the suggestions people gave them that would work better for everyone.
They could have just added Rapids as the first unlock in the Soul Magic line, but noooo ....
PvP, dungeons and trials are the primary activities of this game, making alts and roleplay are not, that's why we get new dungeons and trials every patch. The majority of players create characters to actually achieve something in the game, no wonder the devs would make stuff convenient for them. Hanging out in Riften inn is irrelevant to any progression in the game.
I don't do roleplay, but I DO enjoy making a lot of alts for fun. This change just killed my desire to make more characters.
I never said that PvE/P players are more important, I said that they play the actual game the way it was designed, not spend the time chatting to other players. Why these changes should mean anything to roleplayers is beyond me.PvP, dungeons and trials are the primary activities of this game, making alts and roleplay are not, that's why we get new dungeons and trials every patch.
And that is why all in-game zones are pvp zones, and we are leaving pvp only to enter dungeon or trial... Oh, wait...
If that is how *you* play that does not mean everyone else play that way. And there are alot of other locations in game except Cyrodiil, dungeons and trials. It is easily seen just by opening the map
That's how everyone I know plays this game. Do people really do the same zone quests over and over with dozens of toons?
Yes.3 -
madrab73✭✭✭✭✭It's a server performance change, too many milk drinkers running around faster than intended. PVP players probably don't enjoy levelling undaunted to level 92
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Sahidom✭✭✭✭"Assault
Vigor: This ability is now first in the skill line to unlock, and has swapped places with Rapid Maneuvers in efforts to help builds focused on Stamina to have a healthier leveling experience. Previous XP gained in both of these skills will be retained, but if your Assault skill line is too low to obtain the 3rd skill, you will have to level it in order to gain access to Rapid Maneuvers again."
Hard to imagine a better way to disrespect a players time. Guess you consider those who farm and make multiple alts time not important.
[Edited title to remove Bashing]
Do you mean the time it takes to teleport to Cyrodiil and finish the introduction quest than leave? I guess its called farming over multiple alts.0 -
OldManJim✭✭✭✭✭So mods can jump in here and snip posts for baiting, yet the devs refuse to comment on this mostly hated change...
I have just lost rapids on 13 of my 15 toons and there’s no way in hell I’m going into PvP to grind a skill that has been taken off us.
I think it might be time to park this game and my subscription until the ZoS show us players some basic respect.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!14 -
AlnilamE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Let's see how the defenders of change will sing when there is always a crowd of noobs on their side.
And they will simply because they need this skill.
Well, maybe these crowds of noobs will learn something and become interested in PvP. I, for myself, was never toxic to new players in PvP and, contrary to the popular belief, many PvP'ers aren't either.
Maybe they have already been in PvP to get Vigor/Barrier/Purge on characters that needed them and they decided that they don't want to spend time there.The Moot Councillor5 -
Gythral✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Not just a hated change but one with serveral bugs
Locked but no skill point refunded
Locked but still useable and no skill point refunded
notification sent but no refund of point
locked but no notification
combinations found so far!
Edited by Gythral on August 24, 2020 6:50PM“Be as a tower, that, firmly set,
Shakes not its top for any blast that blows!”
Dante Alighieri, The Divine Comedy7 -
Elvenheart✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I just wish that someone from ZO$ would come out and say why all the reasonable well thought out suggestions that would have made everyone happy seemed to have been ignored without consideration, like swapping vigor with the first skill in the support line, or some of the other possibilities. Just a “This is why we couldn’t do that” type of post. Otherwise I am going to believe like a lot of others that it was to try and get is to by speed lessons and/or skill tree unlocks when possible.Edited by Elvenheart on August 24, 2020 7:11PM5 -
Sgrug✭✭✭✭✭Elvenheart wrote: »I just wish that someone from ZO$ would come out and say why all the reasonable well thought out suggestions that would have made everyone happy seemed to have been ignored without consideration, like swapping vigor with the first skill in the support line, or some of the other possibilities. Just a “This is why we couldn’t do that” type of post. Otherwise I am going to believe like a lot of others that it was to try and get is to by speed lessons and/or skill tree unlocks when possible.
The bolded part is not something to be dismissed0 -
MageCatF4F✭✭✭✭This is a complaint thread and will be ignored. You guys should have started a new thread with the words "Rapids bugged since patch" in the title.1 -
Obsidian3✭✭✭✭It is such a minimal effort to get to the needed ranks in Assault. I never cared which was first had both anyway in less than 30 minutes.
Ah No! I was Assault Level 4 1/2 and it took an hour half in BG's to get to Level 5. I don't wanna know how long it's gonna take my toons that are assault level 2.4 -
johnebrown✭✭✭It is done. You guys have been creating these threads for 5 weeks and it got you nowhere. They won't do anything about it, no matter how loud you are.
Got us nowhere? So we did it all in vain? I think not. Sometimes they do make changes based on feedback. If you don't try, they definitely won't change.5 -
Thechuckage✭✭✭✭✭johnebrown wrote: »It is done. You guys have been creating these threads for 5 weeks and it got you nowhere. They won't do anything about it, no matter how loud you are.
Got us nowhere? So we did it all in vain? I think not. Sometimes they do make changes based on feedback. If you don't try, they definitely won't change.
Look at all the vMA weapons threads. We got the same level of response on that one as well. At this point people were actually ignorant (to no fault of their own) or willfully ignorant.
Oddly enough, the same response can be used for all of us who advocated for changing existing weapons to perfected. "Get back to grinding"2