Thannazzar wrote: »Rather than screwing over PVE players with PVP related nerfs, can we please just get a fully implemented battle spirit fix to address PVP issues generally.
Stamcro isn't the best...I have all classes in mag and stam. If you don't like your current setup, create a new one! I'm constantly being killed by nightblades in PVP, but I wouldn't complain about them asking them to be nerfed. If you think a stamcro is OP, make one for yourself and you'll quickly see that they aren't really all that great. My DKs and Templars are far superior to my necros, both stam and mag. It really comes down to how you fine tune your setup... You have to consider racial passives, cp point setup, weapons, jewelry, and armor selection. You need to use the correct traits and make adjustments based on what you need, not what Allcast suggests. Little things make all the difference. Know your racial passives and create your build based on those passives. Don't forget about jump points. If you don't know about that, you are potentially wasting a ton of cp points. :-)
Stamcro isn't the best...I have all classes in mag and stam. If you don't like your current setup, create a new one! I'm constantly being killed by nightblades in PVP, but I wouldn't complain about them asking them to be nerfed. If you think a stamcro is OP, make one for yourself and you'll quickly see that they aren't really all that great. My DKs and Templars are far superior to my necros, both stam and mag. It really comes down to how you fine tune your setup... You have to consider racial passives, cp point setup, weapons, jewelry, and armor selection. You need to use the correct traits and make adjustments based on what you need, not what Allcast suggests. Little things make all the difference. Know your racial passives and create your build based on those passives. Don't forget about jump points. If you don't know about that, you are potentially wasting a ton of cp points. :-)
Kidgangster101 wrote: »Atherakhia wrote: »I'd agree with that. Make them do disease/apply minor instead seems reasWhenever this thread or any stamcro thread pops up; I have a different opinion. Because I have a stamcro and know how good the defenses are and how good Blastbones is when it works. Yet I dont play it much. Not because I'm not decent with it or some moral stance. It literally just isnt fun for me because its keeping blast bones going every 3 seconds, buffs, and corpse absorbing. It's very sequential.
Not sure if I'm doing a decent job explaining it, but a nerf to 1 thing probably will make the entire class trash. Left as is, it's on the OP side.
45% healing reduction spammable is simply too strong. And that is not true. All they have to do is replace it with minor defile and some other damage buff. They could also keep the major defile though have the ability debuff the necro when casted. They could make it only cause major defile under certain circumstances. Or they could simply add a cool down to the ability. There are so many different things they could do to nerf it to make it a more intelligently used ability instead of a major defile spam without destroying the class.
At this point it should be plainly obvious that the Stamina morph should be minor defile and the mag morph should be minor vuln. I'm really not sure the skill needs to be changed in any other way. It already does a reasonable amount of damage and this change would be fine. The class will likely need more (much more) changed, but it will probably have to wait till a large scale class overhaul which heaven only knows when that will happen.
"Reasonable amount of damage"........ It does as much damage as ultimates.............. When you compare a regular move to an ultimate you know it's doing too much damage.
Atherakhia wrote: »Kidgangster101 wrote: »Atherakhia wrote: »I'd agree with that. Make them do disease/apply minor instead seems reasWhenever this thread or any stamcro thread pops up; I have a different opinion. Because I have a stamcro and know how good the defenses are and how good Blastbones is when it works. Yet I dont play it much. Not because I'm not decent with it or some moral stance. It literally just isnt fun for me because its keeping blast bones going every 3 seconds, buffs, and corpse absorbing. It's very sequential.
Not sure if I'm doing a decent job explaining it, but a nerf to 1 thing probably will make the entire class trash. Left as is, it's on the OP side.
45% healing reduction spammable is simply too strong. And that is not true. All they have to do is replace it with minor defile and some other damage buff. They could also keep the major defile though have the ability debuff the necro when casted. They could make it only cause major defile under certain circumstances. Or they could simply add a cool down to the ability. There are so many different things they could do to nerf it to make it a more intelligently used ability instead of a major defile spam without destroying the class.
At this point it should be plainly obvious that the Stamina morph should be minor defile and the mag morph should be minor vuln. I'm really not sure the skill needs to be changed in any other way. It already does a reasonable amount of damage and this change would be fine. The class will likely need more (much more) changed, but it will probably have to wait till a large scale class overhaul which heaven only knows when that will happen.
"Reasonable amount of damage"........ It does as much damage as ultimates.............. When you compare a regular move to an ultimate you know it's doing too much damage.
Does similar damage to Sub Assault so if one needs nerf I imagine both do?
Yeah... Regular skill that can hit like my ultimate, but unlike my ultimate it is AoE, can't be dodged, is cheap as dirt, is ranged, is delayed allowing to line up combo, has chance to apply minor defile on top of major defile - looks pretty balanced, where can I get one? /S
Yeah... Regular skill that can hit like my ultimate, but unlike my ultimate it is AoE, can't be dodged, is cheap as dirt, is ranged, is delayed allowing to line up combo, has chance to apply minor defile on top of major defile - looks pretty balanced, where can I get one? /S
My view is that the expansion classes were designed as stamina classes from the start. That is a huge, huge advantage. Both necro and warden as better designed for stamina builds than they are for magicka. They class passives are almost all dual use, mag/stam.
Take defile off BB, so what, the class will still be a monster.
Stamcro isn't the best...I have all classes in mag and stam. If you don't like your current setup, create a new one! I'm constantly being killed by nightblades in PVP, but I wouldn't complain about them asking them to be nerfed. If you think a stamcro is OP, make one for yourself and you'll quickly see that they aren't really all that great. My DKs and Templars are far superior to my necros, both stam and mag. It really comes down to how you fine tune your setup... You have to consider racial passives, cp point setup, weapons, jewelry, and armor selection. You need to use the correct traits and make adjustments based on what you need, not what Allcast suggests. Little things make all the difference. Know your racial passives and create your build based on those passives. Don't forget about jump points. If you don't know about that, you are potentially wasting a ton of cp points. :-)
First of all, you don't use Alcast's builds for PvP they're far from Bis.
Then the things you list are taken into consideration by everyone in here and become irrelevant because stamnecro has access to major defile and major protection on demand along with other overtuned things.
If you're actually saying that stamdk and stamplar are better than Stamnecro I'll pleasantly invite you to the Pts for some duels, you'll show up in a stamdk or stamplar, I'll bring a stamnecro.
No one can look at stamnecro and come to the conclusion it's a balanced class especially when looking at the 100% major defile uptime along with major protection on demand.
Stamcro isn't the best...I have all classes in mag and stam. If you don't like your current setup, create a new one! I'm constantly being killed by nightblades in PVP, but I wouldn't complain about them asking them to be nerfed. If you think a stamcro is OP, make one for yourself and you'll quickly see that they aren't really all that great. My DKs and Templars are far superior to my necros, both stam and mag. It really comes down to how you fine tune your setup... You have to consider racial passives, cp point setup, weapons, jewelry, and armor selection. You need to use the correct traits and make adjustments based on what you need, not what Allcast suggests. Little things make all the difference. Know your racial passives and create your build based on those passives. Don't forget about jump points. If you don't know about that, you are potentially wasting a ton of cp points. :-)
First of all, you don't use Alcast's builds for PvP they're far from Bis.
Then the things you list are taken into consideration by everyone in here and become irrelevant because stamnecro has access to major defile and major protection on demand along with other overtuned things.
If you're actually saying that stamdk and stamplar are better than Stamnecro I'll pleasantly invite you to the Pts for some duels, you'll show up in a stamdk or stamplar, I'll bring a stamnecro.
No one can look at stamnecro and come to the conclusion it's a balanced class especially when looking at the 100% major defile uptime along with major protection on demand.
the fact that you think alcast's pvp builds are bis just means you have no idea what youre talking about lmaooooo
edit: oh i read that wrong i guess I'm the idiot. i will go in the corner now