I prefer the old version of stuhns. Now it only has a 5 seconds downtime as oppposed to 15 seconds and 5,3k is still more than major breech and fracture.

Please just let it be 10 seconds once when damaging, allowing it to still outlive off balance by a few seconds. I think this change is more harmful than it is a nerf.

jaws343 wrote: »

Aerenthir wrote: »

This just got nerfed so badly that it's pretty much useless. I'd rather use Spriggan with its 100% up time, even though it potentially gives 3, 349 Penetration less. Whoever decided that this is a good idea and balanced, did a very poor job.

Did it not just get buffed though?

Pre-update: It only did extra penetration to off-balance targets.

Now: It does that penetration to all targets, after you have damaged an off-balance target.

It is much better than before. The previous version would have been great in 1v1 but would have suffered in outnumbered scenarios. Since you would continuously need to set opponents off balance to take advantage. Now, you just need to set one off balance and gain the pen on the entire group.

The difference with Truth is, you can get close to, or the same damage buff with easier conditions. You cannot do that here.

It doing extra damage to everyone isn’t that great when you consider you can already have a build with incredibly high pen, my old build which I switched out of had over 20k pen.

So at best this set will give about 2k more pen depending on the build. It only really stood out to me because it offered the option to more builds whether it was stam or mag.

Yes, it is a nerf. 5.3k pen doesn't even compare to other set that you want it to replace with, specially if you have NMA as your main set. It could have been a good set if it stayed at 10k+ to be even competitive but now it's just another trash set.
Time to move on...or not? But definitely saved me tons of tempers...

UrbanMonk wrote: »

Yes, it is a nerf. 5.3k pen doesn't even compare to other set that you want it to replace with, specially if you have NMA as your main set. It could have been a good set if it stayed at 10k+ to be even competitive but now it's just another trash set.
Time to move on...or not? But definitely saved me tons of tempers...

Trash ? No, just isn’t overtuned. It’s mostly a buff for those who main source of pen will be through the set and a slight nerf to those who already build for pen. It’s really just a “slightly” better spriggans with a condition.

5.3k is still a lot of damage. 10k + is overkill.

Welp, we went from over preforming sets to another pile of decon... Thrassian stranglers included that just became a literal dummy cheese set instead of something possibly useful. At least I wont feel the urge to grind for anything in the new chapter after finishing the quests for skill points. The good thing is the OP stuff became useless before it is even released so we don't have to hear complaints for the next 3 months :P

Well, as usual. ZOS took a set that needed a bit more of a fine tune of value adjustment and made it trash! Just what we needed with so many sets being so trash already.

This is 100% up time 5k pen if you use acordingly. Spprigans was a decent set, this is potantialy stronger than it.

This set is not what it once was but new version is a decent set.

I think the people that think this was an overnerf and the set is dead before arrival don't really understand how much this set offers, it may not be meta because more Damage == more Healing, but this set offers a crazy amount of uptime for high damage builds.

• Crafted.
• All bonuses double dip, extremely useful for hybrid builds, Penilials Aptitude is severely behind now that there is over 4-5 sets that double dip their bonuses.
• Most pvp damage stat dense set in the game. (2 lines of damage, 2 lines of penetration, no crit, regen or max resources).
• Easy proc for max 68% uptime in 1v1, but 100% uptime in 1v2+.
• Easy proc + no CD makes it an excellent front or back bar option. 1 tick of damage to an off balanced target refreshes the 10s duration, effectively killing any need for Spriggan's unless that was your second static set, although Titanborn is arguably much stronger, definitely stronger past 75% hp.

NMA has the penalty of +5% cost for an extra 180 damage past Hundings on the 5 piece. Strong, but for many that already invest into a specific amount of sustain, they won't see any benefit from this set because they'd probably have to invest more into sustain somewhere else in their build making the extra static damage mute. NMA also craftable, but has 1 bonus as crit.

Armor of Truth, practically the same set but for weapon damage, has 1 line of crit and 1 line of max stamina. It's a dungeon set instead of being crafted making it harder to obtain the pieces you want, especially since farming for a weapon can be really annoying and it's most likely what you'd aim for since it's an excellent front bar option. It does not double dip any of it's stats.

For clarifcation, crit resist is going up for everyone making crit damage weaker. For people who use Malacath Band, it will completely negate all crit chance/damage, meaning you should aim for sets without crit chance bonuses. These 2 changes make Crit Chance even less valuable than it is on live, it was already the weakest bonus you could use for pvp unless you heavily invested into Crit Damage via race, class and sets OR you wanted more Surge procs for Sorc.

IMO in terms of pure damage: Penetration > Damage > Max Resource > Crit

Stuhn's Favour is simply great.

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Justified. Definitely not enough. Needs to be down to 10,000 at least. If not down to 8,000. Any lower will be far too much though, given the trouble. If this were a dropped set I might say otherwise but it’s crafted and EVERYONE will have it in its current state in PvP.

Considering the time and money I spend for crafting, it is absolutely more work then idly running the same dungeon over and over, which EVERYONE can do. So, no, it should be buffed to 15k.

Your play style does not justify anything.

a set that breaks the "tank" meta in PVP and everyone QQing about it, lets nerf it until we stop dying to it, this is whats wrong with PVP

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