Opt out of Sharing Player Data With Third Parties

AlnilamE · July 2020

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

In ESO, you have the option to set yourself to Anonymous (which is the default option). Then you are Anonymous X. And nobody will know it's you.

Unless no one else set themselves to anonymous. Then by deduction, that anonymous person is you.

If you are not talking about a trial group, then it does not matter because:

1. Someone has to start the encounter log at the beginning of a fight. It doesn't automatically record everything. If you are at a world boss and someone is practicing tanking and they want to make sure the boss is debuffed and taunted 100% of the time and you show up to help kill the World Boss, then they are not going to remember you were the person that showed up, and nor will they care. And everyone is set to Anonymous by default, so I'd guess 90% of players at least are anonymous.

You still haven't given an actual example of where someone would find out your are this anonymous player and call you out on your setup or whatever it is that is stressing you out.

UrQuan · July 2020

blackweb wrote: »

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

I was told by both trial guilds that I joined that if I wished to remain anonymous, I would not be allowed to run trials with them.

Why do you feel entitled to a raid group of you can’t/won’t meet their standards? Why should the game have to change because can’t/won’t change your gameplay?

The fact that you asked that question means that I cannot help you understand. We had parsers before esologs.com. We had parser addons but it was up to each individual player to install the addon and collect their own parse then share it manually with others.

How I play the game is none of your business unless I make it so. How I spec, gear or play ESO is not your concern.

I DO NOT CONSENT TO SHARE MY DATA TO YOU OR ANYONE ELSE THROUGH ANY THIRD PARTY.

If you want to do end-game content with a team, then how you play the game becomes their business. Different guilds and teams within those guilds will have different requirements for doing trials with them (ranging from "just show up" to "we want you to bring a character of X class with Y gear, and we expect you to hit Z DPS"), and it's their business to make sure that how you play fits in with their team.

And you know what? That's really the only context in which logs ever really come up. Nobody is spending any time digging into logs for a random PUG except maybe to look at their own performance to try to improve (if it was even logged in the first place, which is unlikely). It's really only in organized groups that people pay attention to logs.

Jem_Kindheart · July 2020

Lol we're talking about combat data, for combat team raids, in a combat setting. I've been in several top tier trial teams and this data is valuable in improving the group, gear allocations, and overall successes for the TEAM. THE TEAM. THE TEAM. They're not taking any personal information or asking your blood type and mother's maiden name lol. It's just numbers to help teams succeed together.

If you want to push Vet team content, it's totally fair to look at logs and see where persons can maybe improve so the team as a whole can reach better heights.

If a player wants to push the top content, it is absolutely fair for the leader to ask that they run certain sets or skills.

I've never known a top tier group that was hateful and obnoxious or is gonna come over and criticize your choice of gaming chairs. They're usually more than happy to see players succeed and improve. This will give you plenty of help and guidance on which sets and skills will benefit yourself and the group going forward.

If this is somehow unacceptable, then there is plenty of solo content, and plenty of norm content that offers a similar gaming experience without the need for specific sets and DPS numbers.

Katahdin · July 2020

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

In ESO, you have the option to set yourself to Anonymous (which is the default option). Then you are Anonymous X. And nobody will know it's you.

Unless no one else set themselves to anonymous. Then by deduction, that anonymous person is you.

A templar, a DK and a NB all set themselves as anonymous in a trial, you can still tell who they are

AlnilamE · July 2020

Katahdin wrote: »

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

In ESO, you have the option to set yourself to Anonymous (which is the default option). Then you are Anonymous X. And nobody will know it's you.

Unless no one else set themselves to anonymous. Then by deduction, that anonymous person is you.

A templar, a DK and a NB all set themselves as anonymous in a trial, you can still tell who they are

Yes, but the OP said this wasn't about trials, so I'm left wondering.

zvavi · July 2020

I run into such a problem in dungeons a lot. Healers, tanks, and dds, that start being toxic the moment I ask if I should slot elemental drain, because boss has no major breach (full mag group). And they start calling me toxic, because I want to perform better in their group.

From my experience the toxic crowd is the one that "protects" their privacy. I ask them if I should do something (in case they don't) to higher the group performance, and they start being toxic. It is group activity. I have the full right to know what the group is planning to give me as buffs.

I am so tired of tip toeing around entitled " "I play how I want" people that get offensive when I offer to slot elemental drain myself. Or even silver leash as mag sorc damage dealer just so the group will have smoother run.

So ye. When a person goes to group content he should be ready to accept to work as a group
or at the very least communicate with group members to explain what they are willing to bring to the group, without being toxic.

Katahdin · July 2020

AlnilamE wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

In ESO, you have the option to set yourself to Anonymous (which is the default option). Then you are Anonymous X. And nobody will know it's you.

Unless no one else set themselves to anonymous. Then by deduction, that anonymous person is you.

A templar, a DK and a NB all set themselves as anonymous in a trial, you can still tell who they are

Yes, but the OP said this wasn't about trials, so I'm left wondering.

Considering they specifically mentioned trials, I too am wondering.

blackweb · July 2020

zvavi wrote: »

I run into such a problem in dungeons a lot. Healers, tanks, and dds, that start being toxic the moment I ask if I should slot elemental drain, because boss has no major breach (full mag group). And they start calling me toxic, because I want to perform better in their group.

From my experience the toxic crowd is the one that "protects" their privacy. I ask them if I should do something (in case they don't) to higher the group performance, and they start being toxic. It is group activity. I have the full right to know what the group is planning to give me as buffs.

I am so tired of tip toeing around entitled " "I play how I want" people that get offensive when I offer to slot elemental drain myself. Or even silver leash as mag sorc damage dealer just so the group will have smoother run.

So ye. When a person goes to group content he should be ready to accept to work as a group
or at the very least communicate with group members to explain what they are willing to bring to the group, without being toxic.

Ok then find people to group with who think like you.

Dont force it on the rest of us.

I DO NOT CONSENT TOI HAVE MY ESO IN-GAME DATA SHARED WITH THIRD PARTIES.

nud3_voxel · July 2020

Here is an idea. Don't join a guild that asks for logs. Create your own guild and do stuff the way you want to. Managing a guild and raid leading is time consuming and always involves a bunch of drama. There is nothing wrong with a raid lead making sure they have competent players to clear trials. Raids are a team effort and require coordination for what gear to wear. If you're not a team player don't join someone else's raid guild.

Another plot twist for you, if Zeni added an opt-out option. You'd still not get into raids because there is no way to know if you're competent at your role. As a raid lead all I see is someone who has something to hide.

Create your own guild with your own rules and enjoy progression through nAA.

If you're worried about privacy of your 2k dps parse. Just share anonymously.

UrQuan · July 2020

blackweb wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

I run into such a problem in dungeons a lot. Healers, tanks, and dds, that start being toxic the moment I ask if I should slot elemental drain, because boss has no major breach (full mag group). And they start calling me toxic, because I want to perform better in their group.

From my experience the toxic crowd is the one that "protects" their privacy. I ask them if I should do something (in case they don't) to higher the group performance, and they start being toxic. It is group activity. I have the full right to know what the group is planning to give me as buffs.

I am so tired of tip toeing around entitled " "I play how I want" people that get offensive when I offer to slot elemental drain myself. Or even silver leash as mag sorc damage dealer just so the group will have smoother run.

So ye. When a person goes to group content he should be ready to accept to work as a group
or at the very least communicate with group members to explain what they are willing to bring to the group, without being toxic.

Ok then find people to group with who think like you.

Maybe, just maybe, you should try taking your own advice. If you want to be part of a team you need to find a team that you fit in with.

Apox · July 2020

is this an old post? there is a way..

and to be honest if im vetting a person for a group and i check their logs and they have no logs or theyre set to private theyre probably not going to get in my group. id be happy to see if theyre alright for a later run but if im planning something in the moment im not going to gamble on someone that might weigh the group down.

esologs has been an amazing too to help players optimize their performance. it hasnt been used 100% for good but if someone is being toxic towards you based on your logs, i wouldnt want to run with that person regardless.

also, classic wow elitism is the most hilarious thing ive ever heard. "i can do my 1 button rotation better than you"

NupidStoob · July 2020

VaranisArano wrote: »

There's two aspects to this thread.

One is about not being able to opt out of ESO Logs, even if we remain anonymous.

The other is about accusing trial guilds of being toxic for requiring members to use ESO Logs to prove they meet guild requirement.

OP, you can't complain about people responding to the second part when it was a major portion of your first post. Not unless you want to be hypocritical about you being allowed to attribute having guild requirement to "condescending toxic elitism" but other posters "not being mindreaders" when it comes to your intent.

If you want to keep the discussion on the first part, well, trial guilds having certain requirements has nothing to do with ZOS not giving us the option to opt out. ZOS could possibly give you that option if they are willing to remove the ability for non-grouped players to use the Logs...but they aren't going to step in and tell trial guilds they can't mandate an ESO Logs resume.

Personally, I'm all for ZOS giving us an opt-out AND for guild being able to set their own standards.

Pretty much this OP. My response was mainly focused on your points of guilds being toxic and you somehow try to turn it around into me acting like a "condescending mind reader".

You say the issue is the data sharing. However the examples you use to build your argument are not related to the data sharing, but simply to guilds having restrictions. ZoS could make it completely opt out for all I care, BUT it wouldn't fix your issues in the slightest as any serious guild would still require the opt in.

ZoS even could go as far as to remove all addons and third party ways to measure DPS and there would still be ways to figure out how well others do with a stopwatch and some basic math/observation skills.

No one has an obligation to play with someone who is not willing to show what they are contributing.

thorwyn · July 2020

I DO NOT CONSENT TOI HAVE MY ESO IN-GAME DATA SHARED WITH THIRD PARTIES.

No matter how often you are repeating your position and your statement, this is not the place, because it is not up to the people to decide whether or not their data is under their control. We are all just sharing our thoughts, nothing more. This forum is just a bunch of chattering people. And your statement does not overrule the stuff you accepted with a mouseclick before logging in.

It is all in the TOS. If the data gathered by eso logs would be a violation of the TOS, then ZOS would be forced to intervene. The fact that eso logs is up and running for quite a long time now means, that this is not the case. If you think that there are legal reasons why collecting your ingame data should not be allowed, you need to contact ZOS and discuss the issue with them directly.

Naftal · July 2020

I don't think OP should be playing multiplayer games. By default they're sharing their ingame information when others see what they're doing.

zvavi · July 2020

blackweb wrote: »

Ok then find people to group with who think like you.

Dont force it on the rest of us.

Force what? Basic human communication without raging? Being able to get basic information about buffs I am being provided with before the fight when I can obviously see it during the fight anyway (I am not [snip] blind you know)? I don't expect them to change their build, nor to provide specific something. I expect them not to be offensive and toxic when I am trying to inquire about what i should run for the group.

[Edited for Censor Bypass]

vgabor · July 2020

blackweb wrote: »

Ok then find people to group with who think like you.

Dont force it on the rest of us.

Exactly. Please just do as you wrote here, and find a group thinking like you and don't try to force your view on the rest of the players.

tmbrinks · July 2020

blackweb wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

I run into such a problem in dungeons a lot. Healers, tanks, and dds, that start being toxic the moment I ask if I should slot elemental drain, because boss has no major breach (full mag group). And they start calling me toxic, because I want to perform better in their group.

From my experience the toxic crowd is the one that "protects" their privacy. I ask them if I should do something (in case they don't) to higher the group performance, and they start being toxic. It is group activity. I have the full right to know what the group is planning to give me as buffs.

I am so tired of tip toeing around entitled " "I play how I want" people that get offensive when I offer to slot elemental drain myself. Or even silver leash as mag sorc damage dealer just so the group will have smoother run.

So ye. When a person goes to group content he should be ready to accept to work as a group
or at the very least communicate with group members to explain what they are willing to bring to the group, without being toxic.

Ok then find people to group with who think like you.

Dont force it on the rest of us.

Sounds good. Plenty of groups out there that don't use Logs for you to join. Glad this thread is over.

VaranisArano · July 2020

blackweb wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

I run into such a problem in dungeons a lot. Healers, tanks, and dds, that start being toxic the moment I ask if I should slot elemental drain, because boss has no major breach (full mag group). And they start calling me toxic, because I want to perform better in their group.

From my experience the toxic crowd is the one that "protects" their privacy. I ask them if I should do something (in case they don't) to higher the group performance, and they start being toxic. It is group activity. I have the full right to know what the group is planning to give me as buffs.

I am so tired of tip toeing around entitled " "I play how I want" people that get offensive when I offer to slot elemental drain myself. Or even silver leash as mag sorc damage dealer just so the group will have smoother run.

So ye. When a person goes to group content he should be ready to accept to work as a group
or at the very least communicate with group members to explain what they are willing to bring to the group, without being toxic.

Ok then find people to group with who think like you.

Dont force it on the rest of us.

Er, you DO realize the applicability of this advice to the "play the way you like" types too, yes?

Or is this a case of "advice for thee, but not for me"?

JanTanhide · July 2020

IDK, I've been in game a very long time with over 15,000 hours in game. I have yet to run into an "Elitist" group demanding DPS parses. Why you may wonder? Because I formed my own guild and am in other guilds that demand nothing from each other.

We have run all content including trials. We don't always complete the harder Vet trials but we do have fun trying. As for ESO Logs I have not used it in a very long time. I certainly did use it when it first was released to see if we needed to adjust our healing and DPS. It helped quite a bit.

I don't have an issue with others running ESO Logs and peeking at my gear/skills, etc. I really just don't care what others think and so far not one person has ever said I need to do something about my build/gear etc.

Simply put there are some hard core elitists in ESO as there are in every MMO type game in existence. Find a fun guild or make your own. Trying to get into those end game groups that spend all their time doing progression runs in Trials is going to be demanding. They will want to know your gear/skills and parses on 6 Mil dummies. It's their rules or you won't get in.

blackweb · July 2020

VaranisArano wrote: »

blackweb wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

I run into such a problem in dungeons a lot. Healers, tanks, and dds, that start being toxic the moment I ask if I should slot elemental drain, because boss has no major breach (full mag group). And they start calling me toxic, because I want to perform better in their group.

From my experience the toxic crowd is the one that "protects" their privacy. I ask them if I should do something (in case they don't) to higher the group performance, and they start being toxic. It is group activity. I have the full right to know what the group is planning to give me as buffs.

I am so tired of tip toeing around entitled " "I play how I want" people that get offensive when I offer to slot elemental drain myself. Or even silver leash as mag sorc damage dealer just so the group will have smoother run.

So ye. When a person goes to group content he should be ready to accept to work as a group
or at the very least communicate with group members to explain what they are willing to bring to the group, without being toxic.

Ok then find people to group with who think like you.

Dont force it on the rest of us.

Er, you DO realize the applicability of this advice to the "play the way you like" types too, yes?

Or is this a case of "advice for thee, but not for me"?

I DO NOT CONSENT FOR YOU OR ANYONE ELSE TO VIEW MY ESO IN-GAME DATA THROUGH ANY THIRD PARTY.

furiouslog · July 2020

blackweb wrote: »

There is coercion here and it is happening now, to players who are being forced to share their data whether they like it or not.

That is untrue. You are not being coerced, you are agreeing to share those data under the terms and conditions you accepted when you chose to play the game, just like any other license you've accepted that requires the sharing of data. People have already elegantly argued why the sharing of data is important to driving success of trial and dungeon groups who are trying to reach achievements or score push, but here is a metaphor:

If you joined a basketball league, it's unlikely that a truly casual league would be recording your stats, but in more competitive leagues, they will do that - no one complains about this. It's understood that the analysis and understanding of those data are required to improve. This is no different. They are recording your game stats to understand your contribution to the team.

Some guilds don't care about logging and will just go do normal trials. Our guild runs a "no log" normal training trial for this purpose (but we still require a low level of pre-qualification tags). Others look for a challenge, and that requires a certain understanding of the contribution of those on the team in order to achieve their goals, so those data are necessary. If you want to conceal your contribution, how are people supposed to understand your contribution, and furthermore, how are they supposed to trust you as a reliable member of the team? If you are dragging everyone else down, wouldn't you want to know that? Wouldn't you want to know what you need to do differently to improve? If the answer is no, I would not want you participating in my groups, because you are placing your need for "privacy" above the success of the team, and are willfully being ignorant of your opportunities for improvement. No one wants to run with someone like that beyond a casual level.

NocturnalSonata · July 2020

blackweb wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

blackweb wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

I run into such a problem in dungeons a lot. Healers, tanks, and dds, that start being toxic the moment I ask if I should slot elemental drain, because boss has no major breach (full mag group). And they start calling me toxic, because I want to perform better in their group.

From my experience the toxic crowd is the one that "protects" their privacy. I ask them if I should do something (in case they don't) to higher the group performance, and they start being toxic. It is group activity. I have the full right to know what the group is planning to give me as buffs.

I am so tired of tip toeing around entitled " "I play how I want" people that get offensive when I offer to slot elemental drain myself. Or even silver leash as mag sorc damage dealer just so the group will have smoother run.

So ye. When a person goes to group content he should be ready to accept to work as a group
or at the very least communicate with group members to explain what they are willing to bring to the group, without being toxic.

Ok then find people to group with who think like you.

Dont force it on the rest of us.

Er, you DO realize the applicability of this advice to the "play the way you like" types too, yes?

Or is this a case of "advice for thee, but not for me"?

I DO NOT CONSENT FOR YOU OR ANYONE ELSE TO VIEW MY ESO IN-GAME DATA THROUGH ANY THIRD PARTY.

There is probably a clause in the TOS stating that you do... if not, then by all means take it up with ZOS.

Not to beat a dead horse... but no-one can see your data if you are anonymous anyway. That by extrapolation it can be figured out... well that is entirely different, as through deduction most things can be figured out to some extent anyway.

furiouslog · July 2020

blackweb wrote: »

I DO NOT CONSENT FOR YOU OR ANYONE ELSE TO VIEW MY ESO IN-GAME DATA THROUGH ANY THIRD PARTY.

It's not "your" data. In Section 1 of the ZOS T&Cs:

By creating an Account, You agree that You do not own the Account, any user names created on the Account, any Content stored or associated with an Account (such as digital and/or virtual assets, achievements, virtual currency, and other Downloadable Content), or related data associated with the Account.

ZOS has elected to make those data available to share. Because you agreed that they own it, your consent is not an issue. If I buy a cup of coffee, I do not require your consent to drink it (absent some agreement between us). Your statement withholding consent of data-sharing is equally irrelevant.

tmbrinks · July 2020

blackweb wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

blackweb wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

I run into such a problem in dungeons a lot. Healers, tanks, and dds, that start being toxic the moment I ask if I should slot elemental drain, because boss has no major breach (full mag group). And they start calling me toxic, because I want to perform better in their group.

From my experience the toxic crowd is the one that "protects" their privacy. I ask them if I should do something (in case they don't) to higher the group performance, and they start being toxic. It is group activity. I have the full right to know what the group is planning to give me as buffs.

I am so tired of tip toeing around entitled " "I play how I want" people that get offensive when I offer to slot elemental drain myself. Or even silver leash as mag sorc damage dealer just so the group will have smoother run.

So ye. When a person goes to group content he should be ready to accept to work as a group
or at the very least communicate with group members to explain what they are willing to bring to the group, without being toxic.

Ok then find people to group with who think like you.

Dont force it on the rest of us.

Er, you DO realize the applicability of this advice to the "play the way you like" types too, yes?

Or is this a case of "advice for thee, but not for me"?

I DO NOT CONSENT FOR YOU OR ANYONE ELSE TO VIEW MY ESO IN-GAME DATA THROUGH ANY THIRD PARTY.

you realize, by agreeing to the TOS (and the EULA) when you sign up for this game.. you agreed that you don't "own" any of your in-game data... right?

The only way to not share your in-game data is to not play the game...

By law they can't share your PERSONAL data... but your in-game information is not personal data.

UrQuan · July 2020

blackweb wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

blackweb wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

I run into such a problem in dungeons a lot. Healers, tanks, and dds, that start being toxic the moment I ask if I should slot elemental drain, because boss has no major breach (full mag group). And they start calling me toxic, because I want to perform better in their group.

From my experience the toxic crowd is the one that "protects" their privacy. I ask them if I should do something (in case they don't) to higher the group performance, and they start being toxic. It is group activity. I have the full right to know what the group is planning to give me as buffs.

I am so tired of tip toeing around entitled " "I play how I want" people that get offensive when I offer to slot elemental drain myself. Or even silver leash as mag sorc damage dealer just so the group will have smoother run.

So ye. When a person goes to group content he should be ready to accept to work as a group
or at the very least communicate with group members to explain what they are willing to bring to the group, without being toxic.

Ok then find people to group with who think like you.

Dont force it on the rest of us.

Er, you DO realize the applicability of this advice to the "play the way you like" types too, yes?

Or is this a case of "advice for thee, but not for me"?

I DO NOT CONSENT FOR YOU OR ANYONE ELSE TO VIEW MY ESO IN-GAME DATA THROUGH ANY THIRD PARTY.

You keep saying that like you think it matters. Are you one of those "sovereign citizens"?

alainjbrennanb16_ESO · July 2020

tmbrinks wrote: »

blackweb wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

blackweb wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

I run into such a problem in dungeons a lot. Healers, tanks, and dds, that start being toxic the moment I ask if I should slot elemental drain, because boss has no major breach (full mag group). And they start calling me toxic, because I want to perform better in their group.

From my experience the toxic crowd is the one that "protects" their privacy. I ask them if I should do something (in case they don't) to higher the group performance, and they start being toxic. It is group activity. I have the full right to know what the group is planning to give me as buffs.

I am so tired of tip toeing around entitled " "I play how I want" people that get offensive when I offer to slot elemental drain myself. Or even silver leash as mag sorc damage dealer just so the group will have smoother run.

So ye. When a person goes to group content he should be ready to accept to work as a group
or at the very least communicate with group members to explain what they are willing to bring to the group, without being toxic.

Ok then find people to group with who think like you.

Dont force it on the rest of us.

Er, you DO realize the applicability of this advice to the "play the way you like" types too, yes?

Or is this a case of "advice for thee, but not for me"?

I DO NOT CONSENT FOR YOU OR ANYONE ELSE TO VIEW MY ESO IN-GAME DATA THROUGH ANY THIRD PARTY.

you realize, by agreeing to the TOS (and the EULA) when you sign up for this game.. you agreed that you don't "own" any of your in-game data... right?

The only way to not share your in-game data is to not play the game...

By law they can't share your PERSONAL data... but your in-game information is not personal data.

in a way your are both right and wrong, the game its self you dont own, but the game information, well that depends on several factors, ie: if you use the account name across several games/platforms, if that is the case the game data, is classed as personal, because the game account name can be directly linked to you (Third-party data is defined as any data collected from variety of sources by a company with no direct connection to the consumer whose data is collected), yes you technical have signed a contract but its not all that clear, when zos brought in esologs, they needed to make sure that it benefits both sides not just one and they did not, any lawyer worth there salt can well sue zos for this, most countries in the world that compainies must have an opt out and not simple state well dont use or services then which zos is stating with the eso logs, you dont like it then tough dont play the game

Env_t · July 2020

looks like OP just casual with low DPS

go fishing and fight overland mobs, trials are not for you!

Env_t · July 2020

blackweb wrote: »

If an opt out in the account interface is not provided in ESO, I will be taking my leave of the game.

can i have your stuff?

Thoragaal · July 2020

blackweb wrote: »

I DO NOT CONSENT TOI HAVE MY ESO IN-GAME DATA SHARED WITH THIRD PARTIES.

You really got to think about the issue deeper than that.
You are sharing "data" by simply existing, in any kind of interaction, in all kind of enviornments, with other people (such as a dungeon).
A boss/mob has X amount of health. I takes Y amount of time to kill it. If I know my own dps then I also, by default, know what your DPS is (like @Dusk_Coven mentioned). It's not about sharing your data, it's about using common sense and logic.

But I have to ask, are you asking to remove other peoples option to see their own dps?

Czekoludek · July 2020

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

blackweb wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

blackweb wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

I run into such a problem in dungeons a lot. Healers, tanks, and dds, that start being toxic the moment I ask if I should slot elemental drain, because boss has no major breach (full mag group). And they start calling me toxic, because I want to perform better in their group.

From my experience the toxic crowd is the one that "protects" their privacy. I ask them if I should do something (in case they don't) to higher the group performance, and they start being toxic. It is group activity. I have the full right to know what the group is planning to give me as buffs.

I am so tired of tip toeing around entitled " "I play how I want" people that get offensive when I offer to slot elemental drain myself. Or even silver leash as mag sorc damage dealer just so the group will have smoother run.

So ye. When a person goes to group content he should be ready to accept to work as a group
or at the very least communicate with group members to explain what they are willing to bring to the group, without being toxic.

Ok then find people to group with who think like you.

Dont force it on the rest of us.

Er, you DO realize the applicability of this advice to the "play the way you like" types too, yes?

Or is this a case of "advice for thee, but not for me"?

I DO NOT CONSENT FOR YOU OR ANYONE ELSE TO VIEW MY ESO IN-GAME DATA THROUGH ANY THIRD PARTY.

you realize, by agreeing to the TOS (and the EULA) when you sign up for this game.. you agreed that you don't "own" any of your in-game data... right?

The only way to not share your in-game data is to not play the game...

By law they can't share your PERSONAL data... but your in-game information is not personal data.

in a way your are both right and wrong, the game its self you dont own, but the game information, well that depends on several factors, ie: if you use the account name across several games/platforms, if that is the case the game data, is classed as personal, because the game account name can be directly linked to you (Third-party data is defined as any data collected from variety of sources by a company with no direct connection to the consumer whose data is collected), yes you technical have signed a contract but its not all that clear, when zos brought in esologs, they needed to make sure that it benefits both sides not just one and they did not, any lawyer worth there salt can well sue zos for this, most countries in the world that compainies must have an opt out and not simple state well dont use or services then which zos is stating with the eso logs, you dont like it then tough dont play the game

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If you think that ZOS is stupid enough that "any lawyer worth there salt can well sue zos for this" then i have bad news for you friend, you believe in [snip]. They know what they can and cannot do.
And what with this [snip]: "if you use the account name across several games/platforms, if that is the case the game data, is classed as personal". No, it isn't working like that. My account name Czekoludek is not personal data even if I use it in different games too. My email is my personal data but as you can see, e-mail is not shared in ESO logs.
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[edited for baiting and profanity]