precambria wrote: »The tooltip isn't even written correctly so it doesn't show that its like 30k damage in an aoe with no flight time, look at the other dot procs in the game than look at that one. It's at least TWICE as much damage as it should be if compared with other sets.
I mean after battlespirit and mitigation it will hit for about 1k a sec, wich is not bad, but its hardly the issue by itself.
Imho they should reduce the duration on the set.
BaiterOfZergs wrote: »precambria wrote: »The tooltip isn't even written correctly so it doesn't show that its like 30k damage in an aoe with no flight time, look at the other dot procs in the game than look at that one. It's at least TWICE as much damage as it should be if compared with other sets.
I mean after battlespirit and mitigation it will hit for about 1k a sec, wich is not bad, but its hardly the issue by itself.
Imho they should reduce the duration on the set.
In other patches I think 1k a sec wouldn’t be that bad but this update with people vigor only hitting for 1k plus I’m not entirely sure.
So I got cc'd in the water today and ate that proc for 11k granted i wasnt buff at all and in medium, so curious what its hitting for you guys buffed up?
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Iam running squishy nighblade build and never seen this proc hits me for more than 6-7k overall damage, calurion does much more pressure to the target due to instant damage. Never died to it (easy to outheal 10 seconds periodic damage, slow af), but this damage has been inluded in the counter just an additional source of damage, not main one by far.
Tried that set, saw 600-700 ticks against plars/tardens and went back to spriggan.
It works well for bursting squishy targets with meh self healing only and fighting against ballgroups due to aoe damage, [snip]
Best post in the thread in context. [Snip]
There are more powerful proc sets for PvP in the game. No need to rush out and nerf this new set just because it's NEWer and seeing more play.
[Snip] that led to Bloospawn OVERNERF, Pirate Skel OVERNERF, etc. Sometimes I think these nerf-herders are working for ZOS, FB friends etc., trying to help rationalize unnecessarily shaking up the game with nerfs to keep people playing more to regear, regrind etc.
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precambria wrote: »The tooltip isn't even written correctly so it doesn't show that its like 30k damage in an aoe with no flight time, look at the other dot procs in the game than look at that one. It's at least TWICE as much damage as it should be if compared with other sets.
It's just one dot, lol.precambria wrote: »The tooltip isn't even written correctly so it doesn't show that its like 30k damage in an aoe with no flight time, look at the other dot procs in the game than look at that one. It's at least TWICE as much damage as it should be if compared with other sets.
30k tooltip damage over 15 seconds is equal to the same tooltip damage as two dswings. It's also about equal to Venomous Claw. Again, it's just one dot. Dots are hilariously weak in ESO, so try healing.
Rending with Master DW also has about the same tooltip as this set, but can be used every ~11 seconds, so it's more effective dps.
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This is what you guys are complaining about. I put together a dot build with this set and hit a dummy and it's.. 5% of my damage. It doesn't even out damage rending with master dw or venomous claw. This isn't sloads where it completely ignores mitigation and has 100% uptime, it's just a relatively strong dot that ticks over 10s. The old master dw before bleeds were nerfed, along with axe bleeds, were way way stronger than this ever was. Even the old carve that caused a bleed was better because that ignored mitigation too.
What do you give up for running this set? In my case could run Tzogvin's on 2h bar instead and get minor force, 10% more crit on both bars, and 1400 pen. Or I could have a dot. Tough choice.
SavageChain wrote: »It's just one dot, lol.precambria wrote: »The tooltip isn't even written correctly so it doesn't show that its like 30k damage in an aoe with no flight time, look at the other dot procs in the game than look at that one. It's at least TWICE as much damage as it should be if compared with other sets.
30k tooltip damage over 15 seconds is equal to the same tooltip damage as two dswings. It's also about equal to Venomous Claw. Again, it's just one dot. Dots are hilariously weak in ESO, so try healing.
Rending with Master DW also has about the same tooltip as this set, but can be used every ~11 seconds, so it's more effective dps.
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This is what you guys are complaining about. I put together a dot build with this set and hit a dummy and it's.. 5% of my damage. It doesn't even out damage rending with master dw or venomous claw. This isn't sloads where it completely ignores mitigation and has 100% uptime, it's just a relatively strong dot that ticks over 10s. The old master dw before bleeds were nerfed, along with axe bleeds, were way way stronger than this ever was. Even the old carve that caused a bleed was better because that ignored mitigation too.
What do you give up for running this set? In my case could run Tzogvin's on 2h bar instead and get minor force, 10% more crit on both bars, and 1400 pen. Or I could have a dot. Tough choice.
Pls use overwhelming in a dummy parse too and tell us all its ***...
Dummy parses are not at all comparable with PvP and most damage proc sets perform weak in a parse, meanwhile they are strong in PvP. Your whole statement therefore does not make sense.
The set hits harder than most dots and most proc sets applying a dot. Also the damage is pretty mich unavoidable for the primary target and even is AoE damage.
The sets is another cuplrit of players performing better than they are, because the set approximately does 15-20% of a players dps in a 1v1. If you add another damage proc set or two, 40-60% of the players damage is caused by the sets and not the player himself. To me this looks like a great indicator for dumbing the game down for new players and makes skilled gameplay irrelevant, since you perform better using proc sets.
SavageChain wrote: »It's just one dot, lol.precambria wrote: »The tooltip isn't even written correctly so it doesn't show that its like 30k damage in an aoe with no flight time, look at the other dot procs in the game than look at that one. It's at least TWICE as much damage as it should be if compared with other sets.
30k tooltip damage over 15 seconds is equal to the same tooltip damage as two dswings. It's also about equal to Venomous Claw. Again, it's just one dot. Dots are hilariously weak in ESO, so try healing.
Rending with Master DW also has about the same tooltip as this set, but can be used every ~11 seconds, so it's more effective dps.
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This is what you guys are complaining about. I put together a dot build with this set and hit a dummy and it's.. 5% of my damage. It doesn't even out damage rending with master dw or venomous claw. This isn't sloads where it completely ignores mitigation and has 100% uptime, it's just a relatively strong dot that ticks over 10s. The old master dw before bleeds were nerfed, along with axe bleeds, were way way stronger than this ever was. Even the old carve that caused a bleed was better because that ignored mitigation too.
What do you give up for running this set? In my case could run Tzogvin's on 2h bar instead and get minor force, 10% more crit on both bars, and 1400 pen. Or I could have a dot. Tough choice.
Pls use overwhelming in a dummy parse too and tell us all its ***...
Dummy parses are not at all comparable with PvP and most damage proc sets perform weak in a parse, meanwhile they are strong in PvP. Your whole statement therefore does not make sense.
The set hits harder than most dots and most proc sets applying a dot. Also the damage is pretty mich unavoidable for the primary target and even is AoE damage.
The sets is another cuplrit of players performing better than they are, because the set approximately does 15-20% of a players dps in a 1v1. If you add another damage proc set or two, 40-60% of the players damage is caused by the sets and not the player himself. To me this looks like a great indicator for dumbing the game down for new players and makes skilled gameplay irrelevant, since you perform better using proc sets.
Is venomous claw strong in pvp? Not really. Are people complaining about master dw, which does even more damage than this set? The average damage per tick (every 2 seconds) from rending is more than twice as high as the ticks from venomous smite, and rending also has a direct damage component, so over 10 seconds it's much more damage than this set, and it can be applied more often than once every 15 seconds. Should we nerf master dw even more? The blood craze morph heals too, which makes it sound really OP, I wonder why literally everyone isn't using it?
It hits harder than most dots, so what? Most dots are complete trash. Rending without master dw is garbage, Venomous Claw is extremely weak until the last few ticks, etc. I'm glad it's better than most dots because (again) most dots are terrible abilities. That means it's actually useful. Over 10 seconds, including it's direct damage hits, Rending only does 20% more damage than a single hit of dizzy without master dw. If you want it reduced to the "strength" of a normal dot, it'll be forgotten about just like almost every other set that barely tickles opponents.
If I used that setup in a duel, claw and blood craze would do more damage than the proc. Would you still be complaining about it?
SavageChain wrote: »It's just one dot, lol.precambria wrote: »The tooltip isn't even written correctly so it doesn't show that its like 30k damage in an aoe with no flight time, look at the other dot procs in the game than look at that one. It's at least TWICE as much damage as it should be if compared with other sets.
30k tooltip damage over 15 seconds is equal to the same tooltip damage as two dswings. It's also about equal to Venomous Claw. Again, it's just one dot. Dots are hilariously weak in ESO, so try healing.
Rending with Master DW also has about the same tooltip as this set, but can be used every ~11 seconds, so it's more effective dps.
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This is what you guys are complaining about. I put together a dot build with this set and hit a dummy and it's.. 5% of my damage. It doesn't even out damage rending with master dw or venomous claw. This isn't sloads where it completely ignores mitigation and has 100% uptime, it's just a relatively strong dot that ticks over 10s. The old master dw before bleeds were nerfed, along with axe bleeds, were way way stronger than this ever was. Even the old carve that caused a bleed was better because that ignored mitigation too.
What do you give up for running this set? In my case could run Tzogvin's on 2h bar instead and get minor force, 10% more crit on both bars, and 1400 pen. Or I could have a dot. Tough choice.
Pls use overwhelming in a dummy parse too and tell us all its ***...
Dummy parses are not at all comparable with PvP and most damage proc sets perform weak in a parse, meanwhile they are strong in PvP. Your whole statement therefore does not make sense.
The set hits harder than most dots and most proc sets applying a dot. Also the damage is pretty mich unavoidable for the primary target and even is AoE damage.
The sets is another cuplrit of players performing better than they are, because the set approximately does 15-20% of a players dps in a 1v1. If you add another damage proc set or two, 40-60% of the players damage is caused by the sets and not the player himself. To me this looks like a great indicator for dumbing the game down for new players and makes skilled gameplay irrelevant, since you perform better using proc sets.
Is venomous claw strong in pvp? Not really. Are people complaining about master dw, which does even more damage than this set? The average damage per tick (every 2 seconds) from rending is more than twice as high as the ticks from venomous smite, and rending also has a direct damage component, so over 10 seconds it's much more damage than this set, and it can be applied more often than once every 15 seconds. Should we nerf master dw even more? The blood craze morph heals too, which makes it sound really OP, I wonder why literally everyone isn't using it?
It hits harder than most dots, so what? Most dots are complete trash. Rending without master dw is garbage, Venomous Claw is extremely weak until the last few ticks, etc. I'm glad it's better than most dots because (again) most dots are terrible abilities. That means it's actually useful. Over 10 seconds, including it's direct damage hits, Rending only does 20% more damage than a single hit of dizzy without master dw. If you want it reduced to the "strength" of a normal dot, it'll be forgotten about just like almost every other set that barely tickles opponents.
If I used that setup in a duel, claw and blood craze would do more damage than the proc. Would you still be complaining about it?
I really hope u re joking cuz u CANT compare a trial dummy without any crit resistance vs a player, ofc your master dual wield dot deals more dmg than venomus on a dummy try vs someone with 3.3k crit resistance which is really easy to get than come here to post your results
ItsJustHashtag wrote: »I’ve heard a lot of magicka users are beginning to wear this set as well on EU servers. If that is the case then it tells you all that you need to know about this set.
Gee, I wonder why the class that can completely ignore the damage from this set with cloak doesn't see why people are complaining about it...but yeah..sure. Best post in the thread.
Gee, I wonder why the class that can completely ignore the damage from this set with cloak doesn't see why people are complaining about it...but yeah..sure. Best post in the thread.
I main sorc for last month, not nightblade.
My point still stands, set is terrible in pvp and works only against crowds/bads, your tears are exaggerated.
SavageChain wrote: »It's just one dot, lol.precambria wrote: »The tooltip isn't even written correctly so it doesn't show that its like 30k damage in an aoe with no flight time, look at the other dot procs in the game than look at that one. It's at least TWICE as much damage as it should be if compared with other sets.
30k tooltip damage over 15 seconds is equal to the same tooltip damage as two dswings. It's also about equal to Venomous Claw. Again, it's just one dot. Dots are hilariously weak in ESO, so try healing.
Rending with Master DW also has about the same tooltip as this set, but can be used every ~11 seconds, so it's more effective dps.
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This is what you guys are complaining about. I put together a dot build with this set and hit a dummy and it's.. 5% of my damage. It doesn't even out damage rending with master dw or venomous claw. This isn't sloads where it completely ignores mitigation and has 100% uptime, it's just a relatively strong dot that ticks over 10s. The old master dw before bleeds were nerfed, along with axe bleeds, were way way stronger than this ever was. Even the old carve that caused a bleed was better because that ignored mitigation too.
What do you give up for running this set? In my case could run Tzogvin's on 2h bar instead and get minor force, 10% more crit on both bars, and 1400 pen. Or I could have a dot. Tough choice.
Pls use overwhelming in a dummy parse too and tell us all its ***...
Dummy parses are not at all comparable with PvP and most damage proc sets perform weak in a parse, meanwhile they are strong in PvP. Your whole statement therefore does not make sense.
The set hits harder than most dots and most proc sets applying a dot. Also the damage is pretty mich unavoidable for the primary target and even is AoE damage.
The sets is another cuplrit of players performing better than they are, because the set approximately does 15-20% of a players dps in a 1v1. If you add another damage proc set or two, 40-60% of the players damage is caused by the sets and not the player himself. To me this looks like a great indicator for dumbing the game down for new players and makes skilled gameplay irrelevant, since you perform better using proc sets.
Is venomous claw strong in pvp? Not really. Are people complaining about master dw, which does even more damage than this set? The average damage per tick (every 2 seconds) from rending is more than twice as high as the ticks from venomous smite, and rending also has a direct damage component, so over 10 seconds it's much more damage than this set, and it can be applied more often than once every 15 seconds. Should we nerf master dw even more? The blood craze morph heals too, which makes it sound really OP, I wonder why literally everyone isn't using it?
It hits harder than most dots, so what? Most dots are complete trash. Rending without master dw is garbage, Venomous Claw is extremely weak until the last few ticks, etc. I'm glad it's better than most dots because (again) most dots are terrible abilities. That means it's actually useful. Over 10 seconds, including it's direct damage hits, Rending only does 20% more damage than a single hit of dizzy without master dw. If you want it reduced to the "strength" of a normal dot, it'll be forgotten about just like almost every other set that barely tickles opponents.
If I used that setup in a duel, claw and blood craze would do more damage than the proc. Would you still be complaining about it?
I really hope u re joking cuz u CANT compare a trial dummy without any crit resistance vs a player, ofc your master dual wield dot deals more dmg than venomus on a dummy try vs someone with 3.3k crit resistance which is really easy to get than come here to post your results
Since the proc can't crit at all, master dw will still out damage it due to dw passives, especially if you have cc and/or get some ticks in on a low health target. With the amount of purges that are going out in pvp these days I don't see why anyone is all that worried about a dot. You're all playing templars or wardens or stamcros anyway, so just purge lol.
Strong dots are a regular thing in literally every other MMO besides ESO anyway. This idea that all effective damage has to be direct and able to be immediately countered is limited to this game's playerbase and nowhere else.
SavageChain wrote: »It's just one dot, lol.precambria wrote: »The tooltip isn't even written correctly so it doesn't show that its like 30k damage in an aoe with no flight time, look at the other dot procs in the game than look at that one. It's at least TWICE as much damage as it should be if compared with other sets.
30k tooltip damage over 15 seconds is equal to the same tooltip damage as two dswings. It's also about equal to Venomous Claw. Again, it's just one dot. Dots are hilariously weak in ESO, so try healing.
Rending with Master DW also has about the same tooltip as this set, but can be used every ~11 seconds, so it's more effective dps.
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This is what you guys are complaining about. I put together a dot build with this set and hit a dummy and it's.. 5% of my damage. It doesn't even out damage rending with master dw or venomous claw. This isn't sloads where it completely ignores mitigation and has 100% uptime, it's just a relatively strong dot that ticks over 10s. The old master dw before bleeds were nerfed, along with axe bleeds, were way way stronger than this ever was. Even the old carve that caused a bleed was better because that ignored mitigation too.
What do you give up for running this set? In my case could run Tzogvin's on 2h bar instead and get minor force, 10% more crit on both bars, and 1400 pen. Or I could have a dot. Tough choice.
Pls use overwhelming in a dummy parse too and tell us all its ***...
Dummy parses are not at all comparable with PvP and most damage proc sets perform weak in a parse, meanwhile they are strong in PvP. Your whole statement therefore does not make sense.
The set hits harder than most dots and most proc sets applying a dot. Also the damage is pretty mich unavoidable for the primary target and even is AoE damage.
The sets is another cuplrit of players performing better than they are, because the set approximately does 15-20% of a players dps in a 1v1. If you add another damage proc set or two, 40-60% of the players damage is caused by the sets and not the player himself. To me this looks like a great indicator for dumbing the game down for new players and makes skilled gameplay irrelevant, since you perform better using proc sets.
Is venomous claw strong in pvp? Not really. Are people complaining about master dw, which does even more damage than this set? The average damage per tick (every 2 seconds) from rending is more than twice as high as the ticks from venomous smite, and rending also has a direct damage component, so over 10 seconds it's much more damage than this set, and it can be applied more often than once every 15 seconds. Should we nerf master dw even more? The blood craze morph heals too, which makes it sound really OP, I wonder why literally everyone isn't using it?
It hits harder than most dots, so what? Most dots are complete trash. Rending without master dw is garbage, Venomous Claw is extremely weak until the last few ticks, etc. I'm glad it's better than most dots because (again) most dots are terrible abilities. That means it's actually useful. Over 10 seconds, including it's direct damage hits, Rending only does 20% more damage than a single hit of dizzy without master dw. If you want it reduced to the "strength" of a normal dot, it'll be forgotten about just like almost every other set that barely tickles opponents.
If I used that setup in a duel, claw and blood craze would do more damage than the proc. Would you still be complaining about it?
I really hope u re joking cuz u CANT compare a trial dummy without any crit resistance vs a player, ofc your master dual wield dot deals more dmg than venomus on a dummy try vs someone with 3.3k crit resistance which is really easy to get than come here to post your results
Since the proc can't crit at all, master dw will still out damage it due to dw passives, especially if you have cc and/or get some ticks in on a low health target. With the amount of purges that are going out in pvp these days I don't see why anyone is all that worried about a dot. You're all playing templars or wardens or stamcros anyway, so just purge lol.
Strong dots are a regular thing in literally every other MMO besides ESO anyway. This idea that all effective damage has to be direct and able to be immediately countered is limited to this game's playerbase and nowhere else.
Master dual wield can crit just look your screen and as i said when we re talking about pvp u have to test vs a player not a trial dummy with major+ minor force
Mojomonkeyman wrote: »Agreed.
Venomous is pre-nerfed sloads on steroids: deals comparable single target damage while dealing that same dmg also to nearby targets (hilarious), comparable ease of application, lack of counters, applies a nasty status effect, etc.
But hey, we also got malacath - so I guess ZOS is just beyond pretending to care for balance and goes for even the most cheap & dirty tricks to milk the cow.
Ragnaroek93 wrote: »All proc builds are hilarious right now with Malacath ring and overbuffed impen and meanwhile most classes are pruned down so much that their kit doesn't work anymore without utilizing procs. AFK dmg from sets is just awful game design and doesn't feel satisfying to use and frustrating to die against.
Ragnaroek93 wrote: »All proc builds are hilarious right now with Malacath ring and overbuffed impen and meanwhile most classes are pruned down so much that their kit doesn't work anymore without utilizing procs. AFK dmg from sets is just awful game design and doesn't feel satisfying to use and frustrating to die against.
It's just one dot, lol.precambria wrote: »The tooltip isn't even written correctly so it doesn't show that its like 30k damage in an aoe with no flight time, look at the other dot procs in the game than look at that one. It's at least TWICE as much damage as it should be if compared with other sets.
30k tooltip damage over 15 seconds is equal to the same tooltip damage as two dswings. It's also about equal to Venomous Claw. Again, it's just one dot. Dots are hilariously weak in ESO, so try healing.
Rending with Master DW also has about the same tooltip as this set, but can be used every ~11 seconds, so it's more effective dps.
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This is what you guys are complaining about. I put together a dot build with this set and hit a dummy and it's.. 5% of my damage. It doesn't even out damage rending with master dw or venomous claw. This isn't sloads where it completely ignores mitigation and has 100% uptime, it's just a relatively strong dot that ticks over 10s. The old master dw before bleeds were nerfed, along with axe bleeds, were way way stronger than this ever was. Even the old carve that caused a bleed was better because that ignored mitigation too.
What do you give up for running this set? In my case could run Tzogvin's on 2h bar instead and get minor force, 10% more crit on both bars, and 1400 pen. Or I could have a dot. Tough choice.
The Uninvited wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »All proc builds are hilarious right now with Malacath ring and overbuffed impen and meanwhile most classes are pruned down so much that their kit doesn't work anymore without utilizing procs. AFK dmg from sets is just awful game design and doesn't feel satisfying to use and frustrating to die against.
This set doesn't work together with Malacath.
Mojomonkeyman wrote: »Venomous is pre-nerfed sloads on steroids: deals comparable single target damage while dealing that same dmg also to nearby targets (hilarious), comparable ease of application, lack of counters, applies a nasty status effect, etc.
Hey, give ZOS some credit. At least Venomous Smite does not proc itself.