I have 3 days to level my Scrying to 10, or my leads disappear

Olauron · July 2020

FierceSam wrote: »

So you’ve had the leads for 27 days already... [snip]

RogueShark wrote: »

You had 30 days to level your scrying to 10.

Nairinhe wrote: »

This. The system is though out well enough - when you get a lead there's plenty of time to decide if you want the item and level skills.

Not everyone has bought Greymoor on launch. Some people simply can't buy everything on launch. Are you saying that in-game system that punished players for not buying a chapter as fast as possible is a good system? Especially when most people, who don't read the fine text in the patch notes, don't even know that leads will disappear, since there is no timer when you get the lead.

UntilValhalla13 · July 2020

bearbelly wrote: »

Wildberryjack wrote: »

Perfect, go to Coldharbour, the gold lead there can be scryed at I think 7, it gives you 10 per solve and I'm not joking when I said it dropped like crazy. Hit the alchemy nodes in Hollow City, I'd get it about every fifth node, again and again and again. It's called Void-Crystal Anomaly. I have I think 18 of them to place in my house now LOL. It's a conservatory crystal house item.

I *kinda* started with that plan (though I didn't know that the Coldharbour gold lead was so easily repeatable), except I was stymied right away by the dig site being in the far north of Coldharbour, tip-top of the map, where I don't have access yet.
(I had not finished the main quest on any of my characters, yet).

So I'm having to run through the Coldharbour questline, and I assume complete it, before I can dig it up for the first time.

Not a catastrophe by any means--I think I have two or three quests remaining (I think the next quest I do will unlock the Chasm, if I remember correctly)-- but it IS another thing to slow me down, and I only have a few days left before my most coveted gold lead expires. (I am currently only about 50% through Level 7 on Antiquities, and the Brazier of Frozen Flame requires level 10 to scry.)

At least finding out that the Coldharbour gold lead drops easily was a boon, so I can now focus all of my attention there, instead of working on purples and golds in other areas, too.

You can abandon the dig if it's in a bad area and scry it again immediately with no harm. I did that like 7 times in a row before it finally moved it away from the very top of the map. The dig sites aren't set in stone.

Nairinhe · July 2020

Olauron wrote: »

FierceSam wrote: »

So you’ve had the leads for 27 days already... [snip]

RogueShark wrote: »

You had 30 days to level your scrying to 10.

Nairinhe wrote: »

This. The system is though out well enough - when you get a lead there's plenty of time to decide if you want the item and level skills.

Not everyone has bought Greymoor on launch. Some people simply can't buy everything on launch. Are you saying that in-game system that punished players for not buying a chapter as fast as possible is a good system? Especially when most people, who don't read the fine text in the patch notes, don't even know that leads will disappear, since there is no timer when you get the lead.

You get lead -> you decide that you want this thing -> buy Greymoor -> level skills -> get thing. You don't wait until there's three days till lead expires - you either level skills or complain earlier.

SickleCider · July 2020

I visited a great spot for getting leads last night. Go to Bthzark in Stros M'kai. Stay in the first few rooms (to be considerate to those questing, and for expedience) and beat up the dwarven spiders for a little while. On my toon I was able to one-shot them. Within 30 minutes I had leads for the Dwarven Puzzle Box (purple), the Dwemer Star Chart (gold, not sure which difficulty tier), and part of the Ebon Dwarven Wolf (blue).

Old Orsinium in Wrothgar was also extremely profitable. Just go there and kill everything. I ran it with a group, and we got all sorts of gold and purple leads (including a part of Malacath's Band of Brutality and the blacksmithing station, the latter is an ultimate difficulty lead).

Olauron · July 2020

Nairinhe wrote: »

Olauron wrote: »

FierceSam wrote: »

So you’ve had the leads for 27 days already... [snip]

RogueShark wrote: »

You had 30 days to level your scrying to 10.

Nairinhe wrote: »

This. The system is though out well enough - when you get a lead there's plenty of time to decide if you want the item and level skills.

Not everyone has bought Greymoor on launch. Some people simply can't buy everything on launch. Are you saying that in-game system that punished players for not buying a chapter as fast as possible is a good system? Especially when most people, who don't read the fine text in the patch notes, don't even know that leads will disappear, since there is no timer when you get the lead.

You get lead -> you decide that you want this thing -> buy Greymoor -> level skills -> get thing. You don't wait until there's three days till lead expires - you either level skills or complain earlier.

One more time, where will you get in game that the lead will expire? The much more probable scenario is
You get lead -> you decide that you want this thing -> you buy Greymoor when you can (it may be in 2 or 3 weeks after you get the lead) -> you are not in a hurry to level up skills, because you have the lead -> you get a timer in what, 7 days (have no idea, haven't seen it) -> you are in a great grind to level up skills.
And you are punished with this urgent grind after you have actually bought Greymoor! This is bad. Buying a chapter should at least reset the timer, if the lead is still in the journal. Timer should be shown from the moment you get the lead.

bearbelly · July 2020

UntilValhalla13 wrote: »

bearbelly wrote: »

Wildberryjack wrote: »

Perfect, go to Coldharbour, the gold lead there can be scryed at I think 7, it gives you 10 per solve and I'm not joking when I said it dropped like crazy. Hit the alchemy nodes in Hollow City, I'd get it about every fifth node, again and again and again. It's called Void-Crystal Anomaly. I have I think 18 of them to place in my house now LOL. It's a conservatory crystal house item.

I *kinda* started with that plan (though I didn't know that the Coldharbour gold lead was so easily repeatable), except I was stymied right away by the dig site being in the far north of Coldharbour, tip-top of the map, where I don't have access yet.
(I had not finished the main quest on any of my characters, yet).

So I'm having to run through the Coldharbour questline, and I assume complete it, before I can dig it up for the first time.

Not a catastrophe by any means--I think I have two or three quests remaining (I think the next quest I do will unlock the Chasm, if I remember correctly)-- but it IS another thing to slow me down, and I only have a few days left before my most coveted gold lead expires. (I am currently only about 50% through Level 7 on Antiquities, and the Brazier of Frozen Flame requires level 10 to scry.)

At least finding out that the Coldharbour gold lead drops easily was a boon, so I can now focus all of my attention there, instead of working on purples and golds in other areas, too.

You can abandon the dig if it's in a bad area and scry it again immediately with no harm. I did that like 7 times in a row before it finally moved it away from the very top of the map. The dig sites aren't set in stone.

Did not know that; thank you. I would have been too cautious to experiment with that, because one thing I *have* discovered is that if you abandon an active excavation, you lose the lead altogether.

I know we can find a number of the leads again once they expire, but of all of the various leads I have found so far, I haven't found any of the repeatable purples or golds for a second time yet.

witchdoctor · July 2020

The only leads that require Scry 10 are rare. I can think of 2: the war drum and the statue of Boh...th. The rest, level 7. So, my bet is OP can already do them at level 9.

bearbelly · July 2020

witchdoctor wrote: »

The only leads that require Scry 10 are rare. I can think of 2: the war drum and the statue of Boh...th. The rest, level 7. So, my bet is OP can already do them at level 9.

Brazier of Frozen Flame is also Level 10.

SickleCider · July 2020

bearbelly wrote: »

witchdoctor wrote: »

The only leads that require Scry 10 are rare. I can think of 2: the war drum and the statue of Boh...th. The rest, level 7. So, my bet is OP can already do them at level 9.

Brazier of Frozen Flame is also Level 10.

Stained Glass of Lunar Phases and Anvil of Old Orsinium are two more I can think of.

notyuu · July 2020

Consdering you can get from scrying/excivation 10 in about 3 hours of dedicated grind [personally I managed it in about 1] and that you've had THIRTY DAYS of sitting on the leads...I am really not seeing what the issue is other than a lack of planning or action on your part op

Geekgirl · July 2020

Question:

Is there anything keeping a low-level character from power-leveling scrying *without* leveling up too fast?

I say that, and of course, I have to remind myself that all quests now scale, so you can do the questlines at any level, but I also get the desire to not level too quickly.

My husband and I have just come back from a break and I've made a new character specifically for seeking out "collectibles". The losing the leads thing came as a surprise.

I have SO many questions about this system, will try to keep them to myself. Haha

Raisin · July 2020

Geekgirl wrote: »

Question:

Is there anything keeping a low-level character from power-leveling scrying *without* leveling up too fast?

I say that, and of course, I have to remind myself that all quests now scale, so you can do the questlines at any level, but I also get the desire to not level too quickly.

My husband and I have just come back from a break and I've made a new character specifically for seeking out "collectibles". The losing the leads thing came as a surprise.

I have SO many questions about this system, will try to keep them to myself. Haha

No, nothing stopping you. There really is very little EXP gained while scrying. Maybe kill something on the way to the dig site, or discover a new map marker.... That's it!

Vaoh · July 2020

They don’t want you to acquire your leads and then wait awhile to buy Greymoor on sale.

Either buy it now, or lose all of the leads/progress you’ve obtained. That’s the reasoning at least - you can either buy Greymoor and do your leads as you get them, or basically throw away all of the leads.

Olauron · July 2020

Geekgirl wrote: »

Question:

Is there anything keeping a low-level character from power-leveling scrying *without* leveling up too fast?

I say that, and of course, I have to remind myself that all quests now scale, so you can do the questlines at any level, but I also get the desire to not level too quickly.

My husband and I have just come back from a break and I've made a new character specifically for seeking out "collectibles". The losing the leads thing came as a surprise.

I have SO many questions about this system, will try to keep them to myself. Haha

You don't get experience for scrying or excavating. So you will level up only because you will kill some monsters on the way to excavation site and (if you choose so) because you will kill some enemies to get leads.

notyuu wrote: »

Consdering you can get from scrying/excivation 10 in about 3 hours of dedicated grind [personally I managed it in about 1] and that you've had THIRTY DAYS of sitting on the leads...I am really not seeing what the issue is other than a lack of planning or action on your part op

Even Eyevea non-stop was much longer.

Edit:

Vaoh wrote: »

They don’t want you to acquire your leads and then wait awhile to buy Greymoor on sale.

Either buy it now, or lose all of the leads/progress you’ve obtained. That’s the reasoning at least - you can either buy Greymoor and do your leads as you get them, or basically throw away all of the leads.

They should show the timer then, not remove the lead with evil laugh "Loser, you should have bought Greymoor earlier, now suffer".

SickleCider · July 2020

Raisin wrote: »

Geekgirl wrote: »

Question:

Is there anything keeping a low-level character from power-leveling scrying *without* leveling up too fast?

I say that, and of course, I have to remind myself that all quests now scale, so you can do the questlines at any level, but I also get the desire to not level too quickly.

My husband and I have just come back from a break and I've made a new character specifically for seeking out "collectibles". The losing the leads thing came as a surprise.

I have SO many questions about this system, will try to keep them to myself. Haha

No, nothing stopping you. There really is very little EXP gained while scrying. Maybe kill something on the way to the dig site, or discover a new map marker.... That's it!

You'll also find a lot of skyshards along the way, probably. So, you won't level too quickly, but you'll get a lot of skill points to use!

BlueRaven · July 2020

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

Wildberryjack wrote: »

Not all gold leads require 10 to scry, do all the ones you can then... I got from 7 to 10 in a few hours scrying the gold lead in Coldharbour over and over. It dropped like crazy from gathering nodes in the zone. What level are you at now?

I'm at lvl 9 and a half. My choices of leads at the moments are green freebies or farming world bosses.

Then what important leads of yours are disappearing?

If there are higher level leads of yours that are disappearing, they could not have been that important to you for put off leveling for this long. When I got the lead for the stain glass window (I think) I was level eight. I wanted the window so the next day I made it my mission to level up to ten.

When I get a lead now, I am doing them that night or the very next day.

redlink1979 · July 2020

Something similar happened to me, some gold leads were about to expire, so... Grind time, I think.

You can grind at Eyevea, most of my friends did. The last 2 levels will take a bit more because you need more xp as you level up.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · July 2020

I keep seeing Coldharbour here it’s the same in ALL small zones if you have a nodes based lead the density of small zones makes it seem like it has a higher drop rate remember how spread out big zones are you can do two steps in Hew’s Bane without a node being right there.

TequilaFire · July 2020

count_dingo wrote: »

You can go from 1-7 in a few hours, and grind out the last 3 levels in a few more hours. There are guides online on how to grind it up. Not saying I'm a huge fan of disappearing leads, though.

Pro tip: Stock up on extra controllers/keyboards and mice if you do this!

Ragged_Claw · July 2020

I don't get why this is necessary. Since I assume this is to push people into buying the chapter, why are they punishing people who've already bought it buy having their leads disappear? Makes no sense to me at all, just change it so that once the chapter is bought, the leads become permanent. I'm also confused as to why people are defending these kinds of consumer unfriendly practices. I got a gold partial lead for the music box on my first day in Skyrim, a few days later I was told that I would lose it, so the grind began. I was planning to just level up the scrying alongside questing and up to that point was finding it really relaxing. And for anyone saying 'it's easy to get the leads again', I don't think fishing for 8 hours to get the Stranglers lead was easy or enjoyable, nor was running Darkshade Caverns 2 over and over again etc.

Inaya · July 2020

No, you have 33 days to fully level before your leads disappear. I'm pretty casual since I work 60 hours a week, care for my elderly mother AND am an officer in my guild responsible for running and tracking several events.

NONE of my leads have expired and believe me I don't have a lot of time to play.

If you are talking about leads you acquired through chance prior to buying Greymoor then you will get them again at some point. If you think it's a waste of time, then don't do it. You can't really complain about not being able to get things you think are a waste of time to begin with.

The items that require multiple leads are different. Once an item is dug up it does not disappear and will be shown as progress towards the item in your codex. Go dig the leads your grinded for first and no more worries!

SpacemanSpiff1 · July 2020

you let your leads sit for nearly a month. you did this to yourself.

BRCOURTN · July 2020

if the leads didn't disappear, would you ever level it anyways?

PizzaCat82 · July 2020

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

you let your leads sit for nearly a month. you did this to yourself.

I was playing and scrying all month. I was doing leads almost every day. But because I didn't "Grind the hell out of them" I might lose the hardest to find and most valuable ones.

Seems like bad design.

VaranisArano · July 2020

Leads disappearing is a terrible system for players. There's no reason why leads had to be this way. The flavor text excuse that "somebody else followed up on the lead first" is threadbare. It didn't have to be that way.

So why are we stuck with a system with awful QOL for players?

It's a great system for ZOS, who loves to mash that "fear of missing out" button in our brains every time they can, especially when they can use it to sell Chapters and get us to grind.

Whether or not the OP should have ground out their scrying sooner or not is immaterial to the fact that ZOS designed a terrible system explicitly to push everyone to rush to do their leads ASAP when they didn't have to. No player would be harmed if leads didn't disappear.

bmnoble · July 2020

You have had the better part of 30 days to do something, its not like they set them to expire after 24 hrs or something stupid.

That said you don't need to get to level 10 to be able to do your leads follow the guide below:

https://alcasthq.com/eso-antiquities-grind-guide-scrying-excavation-leveling/

You should easily be able to get to level 7 which is the min level to do the gold leads and be able to complete your leads in your time frame, if you have the majority of wayshrines unlocked, if not your likely going to have to hunt down the leads again.

That is assuming you mean relatively full days of gaming by that I mean around the 8hr a day mark, not one or two hrs a day or something if that is the case you will end up needing to hunt down your leads again, if it comes to that use the guide below:

https://alcasthq.com/eso-full-antiquities-list-with-locations-of-leads/

Not much more advice I can give you, the made it with the time limit to create an incentive to get people to buy the chapter, since players that don't own Greymoor still end up getting leads.

PizzaCat82 · July 2020

1. You need to be level 10 to scry ultimate leads. Color is not an indication of difficulty.
2. I am level 9.5 I am grinding leads so I can level to 10.
3. I have multiple Ultimate leads that require level 5 scrying.

AmoralOne · July 2020

Just seems like you should of played more, or have been more efficient. It took us 3-4 days to get to lv 10.

SolidusPrime · July 2020

Yep it's a dumb system that punishes people for having a life outside of the game, and people that do multiple activities in-game. It just doesn't respect our free time, and i still haven't seen a good justification for it. Just people telling others to live with it.

PizzaCat82 · July 2020

DTAmoral wrote: »

Just seems like you should of played more, or have been more efficient. It took us 3-4 days to get to lv 10.

Yeah. I should have ignored the new DLC and the event that was happening and just grinded leads.