VoluptaBox wrote: »There's a ton more recent threads going around :disappointed
VoluptaBox wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Did we really need to revive an old thread from a different event?
LOL, well, it was either that or create a new one, but I don't think it has changed from event to event or lost relevancy.
If ZOS considers this a bad necro, I'll post my reply as a new thread.
There's a ton more recent threads going around :disappointedZaroktheImmortal wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Did we really need to revive an old thread from a different event?
LOL, well, it was either that or create a new one, but I don't think it has changed from event to event or lost relevancy.
If ZOS considers this a bad necro, I'll post my reply as a new thread.
It's all so very relevant and shows nothing has changed.
Other than "I don't like it' I've yet to see any real arguments why it should change.
GusTheWizard wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »Yeah, you probably gank people like me who just want the stupid tickets they put behind a PvP wall.
You can also get the tickets in white gold tower or imperial city prison both which are pve.
If you’re going into a pvp zone and expecting other players not to kill you, you obviously don’t understand what PVP stands for.
daemondamian wrote: »GusTheWizard wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »Yeah, you probably gank people like me who just want the stupid tickets they put behind a PvP wall.
You can also get the tickets in white gold tower or imperial city prison both which are pve.
If you’re going into a pvp zone and expecting other players not to kill you, you obviously don’t understand what PVP stands for.
What about leads? There are specific leads that can only be gotten in IC & the sewers?
Before you say 'well there's all this pve content us pvpers have to do to get certain things' I'd say sure, but do you have other players continually stopping you from getting those things in pve content?
You don't & that's the difference.
Both of those are flawed arguments.daemondamian wrote: »GusTheWizard wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »Yeah, you probably gank people like me who just want the stupid tickets they put behind a PvP wall.
You can also get the tickets in white gold tower or imperial city prison both which are pve.
If you’re going into a pvp zone and expecting other players not to kill you, you obviously don’t understand what PVP stands for.
What about leads? There are specific leads that can only be gotten in IC & the sewers?
Before you say 'well there's all this pve content us pvpers have to do to get certain things' I'd say sure, but do you have other players continually stopping you from getting those things in pve content?
You don't & that's the difference.
Murkmire was given away free as a login reward a few years ago, then they released it as a paid one.ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »If it had worked as intended they wouldn't have had to give it away for free and it'd be far more active outside of events. I mean how many of the 'dlc' content have they given away for free before? None as far as I'm aware. This to me shows they know it wasn't working so gave it to everyone in hopes that would help yet even with that it hasn't.
ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »VoluptaBox wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Did we really need to revive an old thread from a different event?
LOL, well, it was either that or create a new one, but I don't think it has changed from event to event or lost relevancy.
If ZOS considers this a bad necro, I'll post my reply as a new thread.
There's a ton more recent threads going around :disappointedZaroktheImmortal wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Did we really need to revive an old thread from a different event?
LOL, well, it was either that or create a new one, but I don't think it has changed from event to event or lost relevancy.
If ZOS considers this a bad necro, I'll post my reply as a new thread.
It's all so very relevant and shows nothing has changed.
Other than "I don't like it' I've yet to see any real arguments why it should change.
I hate repeating myself but
"IC feels like a failed experiment of forcing together pvp and pve content that they had to end giving away for free yet is hardly even that active outside of events and any time I've looked at the bars for it all alliances sit on one and that's with far fewer instances than it has in events. May have done better if they just focused on the pve instead of forcing pvers to pvp but here we are and yet it hasn't changed at all and the event has brought out all the people who do the described behaviors in IC."
This exactly. It's not just 'I don't like it. But it was a nice attempt to ignore the arguments against it and pretend we were all just saying we don't like it. Actually no, that's a lie. It's a terrible attempt at that.
ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »If it had worked as intended they wouldn't have had to give it away for free and it'd be far more active outside of events. I mean how many of the 'dlc' content have they given away for free before? None as far as I'm aware. This to me shows they know it wasn't working so gave it to everyone in hopes that would help yet even with that it hasn't.
itscompton wrote: »for all you that just got it free and got to experience it first hand how did you like it?
gankers, hunter kill BG groups chasing down solo pve players, raids hiding in stealth waiting to jump groups.
how long before you raged.
how long before you said "F this" and left IC
if your wondering, it has never been good, this is as good as it gets, it will never be enjoyable, other pvp modes are far more fun so I recommend joining in on BG's or cyro, IC is trash, end.
lol I can relate to saying "F this" and leaving IC.
But yeah, I agree. It might be fun for gankers and people who run around in zergs slaughtering smaller numbers of players (who seem to enjoy that sort of thing for some reason) but everyone else is likely going to suffer. I consider it trash too. Which is a shame really, cause the zone actually has some decent PvE in it and looks quite cool up in the city.
I prefer Battlegrounds and even Cyrodil over the Imperial City as well.
Not true, if you know what you're doing PvP wise it's totally possible to run Solo and have fun. The streets and buildings make great cover to put between yourself and a zerg if you pay enough attention to see them coming and get out of the way.
Crazy how some PVE players refuse to put the time in to get good and just come complain on the forums. Learning to PVP is just like learning the mechanics of a complicated trial or dungeon. Each class is a different type of boss, the human element just makes thier attack rotations more unpredictable but there still are certain rules and limitations to what they can do.
I really feel like a huge part of it is ego, people who can beat all the vet dungeons and trials and make the leaderboards get mad when the skills don't translate into instant dominance in PvP.
It took me a long long time to get good in PvP and there are still 10 to 15 people out of every hundred that can absolutely own me in one on one (and if the players are decent more than two is usually a guaranteed loss since it's pretty hard to kite on a Templar) but I don't cry when I get beat I just try to learn from it and get better.
Sorry, but I just don't buy your argument that people can just run into houses when they see a zerg coming. If that worked for you - then you just got lucky.
And no one here is crying because they lost a one on one fight. I know I certainly ain't. So I don't know what that bit at the end had to do with my comment.
ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »If it had worked as intended they wouldn't have had to give it away for free and it'd be far more active outside of events. I mean how many of the 'dlc' content have they given away for free before? None as far as I'm aware. This to me shows they know it wasn't working so gave it to everyone in hopes that would help yet even with that it hasn't.