Bucky_13 wrote: »

Ryath_Waylander wrote: »

kind_hero wrote: »

My problem with this system is finding the dig site. Yesterday I spent like 30 minutes trying to find it in Glenumbra, in the area with harpies and traps, which is almost a maze of rocks and ledges. I had a perk to see the dig sites from further away. The indicated area should be smaller. I am not asking for an arrow mark over it, but it could be smaller, so we don't spend so much time looking for it. The big issue is with the areas who have all sorts of rocky ledges, like Coldharbour, Grahtwood, Malabal Tor, etc, you need to go around a lot.

I am interested in the furnishings you can get from this, other than that the system is too grindy for my taste (and I play mmos for 15 years)

Do yourself a favour, while levelling, from 1 to 5 (up to purple items) use Gold coast. Smaller areas are easy to manage and you begin to remember the digsite locations.

That one is good. Arteum seems to be the best one though as it's the smallest one. Yesterday, I saw more players there than I ever saw during Summerset. It goes very fast there.

Yes, zone is very small, after getting your first purple I did the zones of increasing size, the 5 starting zones then the dlc ones.
Now I'm level 7 in both skills, not done any gold ones yet but done some leads on them.
Two purple who was not treasure, an circlet and an chair.

Still fun. At Level 5 i stopped grinding. There is almost a year to max it out. Now i do my dailies and some digging in the zones of the dailies. More fun for me and less danger to burn out on it. For a soloer who does not sell on Guild merchands the income is good. The stories are ok for me.

bluebird wrote: »

kind_hero wrote: »

My problem with this system is finding the dig site. Yesterday I spent like 30 minutes trying to find it in Glenumbra, in the area with harpies and traps, which is almost a maze of rocks and ledges. I had a perk to see the dig sites from further away. The indicated area should be smaller. I am not asking for an arrow mark over it, but it could be smaller, so we don't spend so much time looking for it. The big issue is with the areas who have all sorts of rocky ledges, like Coldharbour, Grahtwood, Malabal Tor, etc, you need to go around a lot.

I am interested in the furnishings you can get from this, other than that the system is too grindy for my taste (and I play mmos for 15 years)

@kind_hero You probably know this, but just in case, and for everyone else in this thread too:
Using the Antiquarian's Eye in a digsite's area conjures a magic pointer that tells you where the dirt mound is.

You can quickslot it, and although it has a fairly long cooldown, the magic beam thing will point towards the excavation dirt mound within the digsite itself. So ideally, one only has to run in one direction and try to spot it, not all over the place. It's not much, but better than nothing.

Wow... really? I did not know that

That's very helpful... I can scry for purples now, and did a lot of running to get here haha

Thanks!

It's ridiculous.








Ridiculously FUN!!! I wasted spent HOURS today digging up the same dumb thing so I could level to 3 & start doing the blue ones (motivated by the fact that I had a lead for a mount part ). I did finally leave to another area, not because I was bored but because I felt bad - I was digging the same part that had already been researched by the Antiquities people back in Solitude! So I went to Bleakrock, got a new item researched AND got to level 3 so I could scry blue things. Did the one lead I had in Bleakrock & then went back to Stros M'kai. I can see myself wasting spending many hours on this!

So far I've seen ONE note sent back by the researchers that I thought was really fun.

It's in the Coldharbour freebie-lead chain.

The initial freebies alone, if you don't repeat any of them, are approximately enough to take you to the beginning of Rank 8 in the skill lines. That seems reasonable to me.

And by the way, I just did the first two Clockwork City items. They were in the same place, which is super-close to the zone-starting wayshrine. I can't imagine a better place to grind if you do feel the need to repetitively keep adding 4 skill line experience points for doing 2 quick digs.

I will admit that I don't dislike this quite as much as I thought I would. It has been a little fun learning the system.

Likes:
- the scrying mini game (compared to my initial expectations, am rank 4 right now... unlocking the first skill point to have a new ability in the mini game was satisfying)
- that leads can pop up from anywhere, making the system feel integrated into the whole game
- the little facts you unlock as you go along
- the anticipation of new furniture
- the fact that everything can be vendored
- the ability to see treasure chests better (although I haven't unlocked it yet)

Dislikes:
- HATE the timer on leads (I don't have a lot of time to play... let me get to it when I can get to it)
- the digging mini game (the dirt layers are ugly, one reminding me too much of.. uh...poo, the weirdness of the dig site being a small mound but then opening up to fill your screen and seeming very large, the view looks "fake" and doesn't seem to reflect time of day/environment... idk, just doesn't do it for me at all)
- the bug where the eye doesn't work even when you are on a dig site
- the fact that people without Greymoor can get leads but not use or trade them... seems too "in your face" monetization tactic especially since they expire
- I am EXTREMELY happy leads are account wide, but as a result it seems like the whole system and skill lines are useless for multiple characters/alts. There is no way I would re-grind this again on alts as there is zero benefit for them. Wish there were more useful passives or a boost to "treasure hunter" or...something! Would have been hilarious if a renamed Supernatural Recovery passive was at the end of the Scrying skill line (and I would have been happy to see it go somewhere).
- I read all the dialogue but the actual reasons for the existence of the skills and "antiquities" seem very far-fetched and requires you to suspend disbelief excessively... even for a fantasy game. WHY is there suddenly a magic power in the world that allows you to know where things are? It is a new skill line but you also must have an innate ability.. I just don't get it.

its been quite buggy, to the point of it feels like it was not tested fully.

I love the idea of leads dropping from various activities you would normally do.

I hate the wasted time leveling. I want to be questing (finishing up some stuff from last year first and then Greymoor), but I feel like I need to make sure I don't lose out on leads. I'm only level 4 so far on scrying, but I hate that I ended up using my Sunday just for that when time to play is already limited. It is one thing to do the minigame to get something interesting. But doing it just to level? Shoot me, please.

I get it. It is an MMO. Based on what everyone says, that is how MMOs are. Full of time wasters But I also hated the mining mini-game in Mass Effect. It is just jumping through hoops and tedious clicking.

I don't hate mini game as much as I thought I would. There are some bugs with misalignment, but you can overcome this just by looking at sparks.
Some leads though...tried to farm for a lead for the mount in Stonefalls delve. 5 hours later still no drop. And there are 17 leads. I think I will pass.

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

The initial freebies alone, if you don't repeat any of them, are approximately enough to take you to the beginning of Rank 8 in the skill lines. That seems reasonable to me.

And by the way, I just did the first two Clockwork City items. They were in the same place, which is super-close to the zone-starting wayshrine. I can't imagine a better place to grind if you do feel the need to repetitively keep adding 4 skill line experience points for doing 2 quick digs.

Only if someone has all DLCs. For people who only bought Greymoor and the base game, the grind is significantly worse. They lose out on approximately as many skillups as ranks 1 to 6 take combined.

That's why it's a really questionable practice to sell Chapter features (Mythic items, Antiquities) that require further DLC purchases to function fully. Psijic Skill line and Jewelcrafting only required Summerset and Base Game zones. New players or player without ESO+ not only will miss out on some Mythic items, but their grinds will be far longer and more repetitive, making the lead expiration limit far more annoying.

Tigerseye wrote: »

OK, except I got a bug where I went to the edge of a digsite area, which was marked on the map, used the Antiquarian's Eye and it pointed me directly out of the area...

I then ran around the entire area (which was fairly flat, so not that hard to search) and couldn't find the digsite anywhere.

So, must be a bug.

Have also had the bug where items are incorrectly placed in the digsite.

In addition to this, I have now been informed (whether correctly, or not), that certain leads for furnishings may only drop in PVP.

I don't do PVP, here and don't intend to start.

So, if it turns out that is the only way I can get the furnishing I particularly want, I will have to consider my future, here.

Even in games where I did PVP myself, I didn't believe in forcing people into PVP, against their will (and said as much, repeatedly).

So I'm obviously not going to change my mind about that, just to get furnishings, especially in a game where I don't do PVP myself.

Is a dig site area on your map a white rectangle, or an irregular area outlined in blue/green/turquoise? If it's the white rectangle, those are often wrong. If it's the irregular area, I've found those to be more correct.