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Should they make Greymoor Base Game and refund in the form of Crowns?

Thevampirenight
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Here is the thing, Zenimax right now cannot work from their studios. They could have fixed the issues with players being able to access the chapter a lot better and more efficent had they been able to work from their studios. While attempting to fix it when they are still stuck at home because of Covid. They broke it so those that own it can't even access it but yet right now as we speak possibly hundreds if not thousands are likely exploiting the fact that the code is broke for Greymoor so anyone can access it and have the rewards on the Eu Server. While players like me who actually bought it can't even access the zone.

Here is why they should do this, performance is really bad and people are really upset with them anyways. Another it would be easier on the devs and it would also make it so it is not screwed up further by the attempts to fix it away from their offices.

I really do feel its the best thing they can do right now.
Also We all know the Chapters are just Dlcs under a different name. They call them chapters but we all know that once a new chapter is released the old one goes straight to Dlc.
Its one way they can get more money from the player baser however they still get a lot of money from Crowns and Crown Crates so I can see them doing without the chapter monetization this year, so at this point Greymoor should be made Base Game or a treated like a dlc requiring subscription.

Besides if they make it base game they can take out the code that requires purchase and that would help with the performance they are supposed to be fixing. They are likely going to end up making things worse and not better trying to fix the Greymoor Ownship Exclusion Code.

Its been years since we have had zones that are base game. The fact that we are in times that effect everyone. Should they just make Greymoor a Base Game but Refund people that bought it in the form of crowns?
Edited by Thevampirenight on May 27, 2020 5:44AM
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Should they make Greymoor Base Game and refund in the form of Crowns? 142 votes

Yes they should make Greymoor Base game and refund those that bought it in Crowns.
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No they should fix it and keep it exclusive to those that purchased the chapter.
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  • Gorrvald
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    No they should fix it and keep it exclusive to those that purchased the chapter.
    No. Go take some fresh air and relax.
  • Anotherone773
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    No they should fix it and keep it exclusive to those that purchased the chapter.
    No they should learn that putting out a quality xpack is more important than meeting a deadline they themselves set. Or maybe stop being so amibitious. Why not make blackreach a part 2( still all the same chapter for same price) that came out a month later? That way they had more time to focus on making sure everything was good.
  • Bucky_13
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    No they should fix it and keep it exclusive to those that purchased the chapter.
    Dude, just chill and take a breather, maybe a cold shower. You're waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too upset about this.
  • Edaphon
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    No they should fix it and keep it exclusive to those that purchased the chapter.
    They should just fix it and ban the exploiters.

    Also, handing out a fake currency (crowns) would not be a refund. More like a bad joke.
  • Thevampirenight
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    Yes they should make Greymoor Base game and refund those that bought it in Crowns.
    Edaphon wrote: »
    They should just fix it and ban the exploiters.

    Also, handing out a fake currency (crowns) would not be a refund. More like a bad joke.

    Well its not their fault they can access it right now though they are not right in exploiting it either however. Zenimax broke the code that prevented access to the chapter big time and broke the code so players like me who legit have the chapter can't even play tonight while many that don't own it have enough time to play through most if not all of the chapter's Story Quests. Whats worse is they get the preorder stuff. Since Preorder stuff can be granted just by logging in if everyone has it then that is going to be harder to take away. The one thing they could do is rollback however that would be a bad idea at this point as many who have gotten or been doing hard work leveling the new system would have to start all over and people would be upset over it for sure. So at this point. What can they do to undo this and quickly?

    Zenimax could take time fixing it sure but that distracts from more important issues like the bugs and issues with the game and in the chapter that likely didn't get fixed. It distracts from their performance update plans as well as they would have to spend a lot of time damage controlling this.
    At least this way everyone at least gets a benefit from this and I would take the crowns as those would go towards items I want in the game. Like Houses or Costumes or outfits or crown crate stuffs.
    Edited by Thevampirenight on May 27, 2020 6:16AM
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  • bmnoble
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    No they should fix it and keep it exclusive to those that purchased the chapter.
    I don't want a refund, I don't want crowns, I just want the chapter working as advertised I don't think that is too much to ask for.
  • Kadoin
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    It's a business, not a charity...
  • Thevampirenight
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    Yes they should make Greymoor Base game and refund those that bought it in Crowns.
    Kadoin wrote: »
    It's a business, not a charity...

    Well by doing a crown refund they would still keep that Greymoor Money and that is fine with me. So its just switched the chapter itself into a certain amount of Crowns.
    Besides they did a good job with the chapter zone and well I do think the devs at least deserve something for that.
    But if a good chunk has played the chapter already on pts for free and then for an entire night on Live. Then why keep it locked behind money?
    *Sighs* I hope they get this straightened out by Tomorrow afternoon. One way or another.
    Edited by Thevampirenight on May 27, 2020 6:38AM
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  • Tempest
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    lol no.. [snip]

    [edited for bashing]
    Edited by ZOS_Lunar on May 27, 2020 2:07PM
  • Thevampirenight
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    Yes they should make Greymoor Base game and refund those that bought it in Crowns.
    Tempest wrote: »
    lol no.. [snip]

    Better then the idea that people are playing for free on live something I payed actual money for and yet cannot play it because I'm denied access. I'm not as angry about them playing for free as they able to do it while I cannot because I'm denied access to the content that I should have full access too.
    I really wanted to go play through the main story that I saved up for Live. I also want to get started on antiquities.

    Sorry if I look to be very sour about this. But it angered me quite a bit they couldn't put that fix in for Pc Na Last night. Its good that Eu players can play through it.

    Edited by ZOS_Lunar on May 27, 2020 2:07PM
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  • Mortiis13
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    Then they going bankrupt, cause it's every major update since morrowind?
  • OneForSorrow
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    Yes they should make Greymoor Base game and refund those that bought it in Crowns.
    I voted yes but keep in mind I think the Chapter System should be reevaluated in general. It'd be nice if they were considered DLC and ESO+ had open access without paying. Like with Orsinium.
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  • VaranisArano
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    No, they won't. The whole point of the Chapter system is that "you totally aren't paying cash for premium early access to a DLC that was supposed to otherwise be included in your ESO+."


    And given that something similar happened with Elsweyr and players got to keep their Necromancers made in the brief time they had access, ZOS will probably just remove access and call it good.
  • Tempest
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    Tempest wrote: »
    lol no.. [snip]

    Better then the idea that people are playing for free on live something I payed actual money for and yet cannot play it because I'm denied access. I'm not as angry about them playing for free as they able to do it while I cannot because I'm denied access to the content that I should have full access too.
    I really wanted to go play through the main story that I saved up for Live. I also want to get started on antiquities.

    Sorry if I look to be very sour about this. But it angered me quite a bit they couldn't put that fix in for Pc Na Last night. Its good that Eu players can play through it.

    dude the servers are down for a few hours whats the issue? every mmorpg has problems on a patch day hell Wow used to have servers off for an entire day or so due to new patches coming out... chill out and play the game later tonight / tomorrow
    Edited by ZOS_Lunar on May 27, 2020 2:08PM
  • Stanx
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    No they should fix it and keep it exclusive to those that purchased the chapter.
    Stop with all the threads about this jeez
  • navystylz_ESO
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    Only ESO stream team streamers get free chapters. So they can tell people how amazing ESO is and how they should come play.
    Edited by navystylz_ESO on May 27, 2020 9:49AM
  • rotifer_uk
    No they should fix it and keep it exclusive to those that purchased the chapter.
    Why don't you turn off your computer and go do something less boring instead ?
    Edited by rotifer_uk on May 27, 2020 9:40AM
  • TheShadowScout
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    No they should fix it and keep it exclusive to those that purchased the chapter.
    Read the TOS, you can find ZOS stance on "refunds" there...
    ...to sum it up, its kinda like:
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    Yeah, they messed up a thing or two with Greymoor.
    What else is new? That is what happens when you have a LOT of code to juggle, some issues are gonna slip past the programmers and need patching once they are seen in live game...
    They are gonna fix it again, and that will be that.
    And they have exactly the kind of "you are not entitled to anything if there are issues we need time fixing" legalese in the TOS that this whole discussion is silly methinks... :p;)
  • Fischblut
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    No they should fix it and keep it exclusive to those that purchased the chapter.
    + punish those who took advantage of the chapter content (on live ;) ) without purchasing it.
  • essi2
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    No they should fix it and keep it exclusive to those that purchased the chapter.
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  • MasterSpatula
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    No they should fix it and keep it exclusive to those that purchased the chapter.
    Chill
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  • Tigerseye
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    Yes they should make Greymoor Base game and refund those that bought it in Crowns.
    Yeah, why not.

    I think you make a good case for just opening it up to everyone.

    Then the "first world problems", "you're all Karens" types will have something else to occupy their tiny minds.

    Rather than hanging around the forums calling people, who pay and/or dare to complain about what they have paid for, rude names.

    Alternatively, if they would prefer to keep (and keep getting) our cash, ZOS could try treating those who pay like real customers, for once.
  • Tigerseye
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    Yes they should make Greymoor Base game and refund those that bought it in Crowns.
    Tempest wrote: »
    Tempest wrote: »
    lol no.. [snip]

    Better then the idea that people are playing for free on live something I payed actual money for and yet cannot play it because I'm denied access. I'm not as angry about them playing for free as they able to do it while I cannot because I'm denied access to the content that I should have full access too.
    I really wanted to go play through the main story that I saved up for Live. I also want to get started on antiquities.

    Sorry if I look to be very sour about this. But it angered me quite a bit they couldn't put that fix in for Pc Na Last night. Its good that Eu players can play through it.

    dude the servers are down for a few hours whats the issue? every mmorpg has problems on a patch day hell Wow used to have servers off for an entire day or so due to new patches coming out... chill out and play the game later tonight / tomorrow

    That happened once when I played, in WoD (which was a train wreck of an xpac, anyway).

    The rest was smooth as silk.
    Edited by ZOS_Lunar on May 27, 2020 2:08PM
  • VaranisArano
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    Tigerseye wrote: »
    Yeah, why not.

    I think you make a good case for just opening it up to everyone.

    Then the "first world problems", "you're all Karens" types will have something else to occupy their tiny minds.

    Rather than hanging around the forums calling people, who pay and/or dare to complain about what they have paid for, rude names.

    Alternatively, if they would prefer to keep (and keep getting) our cash, ZOS could try treating those who pay like real customers, for once.

    I was annoyed AF when it was Elsweyr that got released to everyone and ZOS let people keep their Necromancers afterwards.

    So accepting the inevitable that ZOS isn't going to punish anyone who took advantage nor substantially compensate anyone who paid for it, I think I might have just called it an "accidental free trial" where some people got lucky for a brief time. Sure, its still a massive screw up. But I note that ZOS' decision on how to handle Elsweyr being briefly released (no punishment, no compensation) doesn't seem to have greatly impacted player decisions about Greymoor. Plus, for every complainer, there are still bright-eyed new players wearing rose-colored glasses to buoy the bottom line.
  • Hallothiel
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    No they should fix it and keep it exclusive to those that purchased the chapter.
    The servers were off for less than 24 hours. Please relax!
  • Thevampirenight
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    Yes they should make Greymoor Base game and refund those that bought it in Crowns.
    Hallothiel wrote: »
    The servers were off for less than 24 hours. Please relax!

    I am now that I can access the content I payed for. Though I was a bit upset I wasn't like raging or anything, I don't go into rage rants and break keyboards. Though I can get into a bad mood and that is what this did.
    Anyways this can be something Zenimax could consider because I don't have to look at it to know there is going to be a lot of debugging they are going to have to do.
    1. People that don't own Greymoor can access the chapter they got to fix the code to make it work right.
    2. People that don't have the chapter are considered owning it according to one poster on that one thread. That is a problem because if they want to get the chapter they cannot because the game considers they already own it even if they don't. They would have to debug this.
    3. They would have to do something to make the new skill lines not work or just allow people to keep access to them. Which some people are not happy about. I think its likely they will do some code to prevent using the dig sites without the chapter or the scrying tool.
    4. They will have to find some way to fix all of it without effecting legit owners. Like what happened that prevented many of us from going to the chapter yesterday.
    5. They will have to do it while homebound because they don't have access to their internal servers so they can test it out at the current moment. Hopefully that can change.
    Edited by Thevampirenight on May 27, 2020 11:34AM
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  • ThePedge
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    1. No
    2. If they did I want my money back, not crowns. I can buy crowns with in-game currency, but the chapter I stupidly spent real money on.
    Edited by ThePedge on May 27, 2020 11:38AM
  • RinaldoGandolphi
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    Buying chapters is a bad deal anyways

    Your better off to only pay a sub and nothing elsr then get the chapter free next year(only using crowns from your sub so you pay no additional money)

    Your essentially paying to be a beta tester of a chapter, and they will nerf all the mythic items into uselessness the next few months. I just don't see chapters as a sound investment with how volatile zos is with itemization and game balance
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  • FakeFox
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    No they should fix it and keep it exclusive to those that purchased the chapter.
    Making it free would probably lose them a lot of money on potential future sales. And as much as I dislike a lot of their monetization, I think this approach is completely reasonable.
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  • Jayroo
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    No they should fix it and keep it exclusive to those that purchased the chapter.
    No. It's not their fault you decided to throw your money at them instead of being an informed consumer like any other sensible person, which nowadays is few and far between in these forums
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