x99Needles wrote: »

Rin_Senya wrote: »

Theignson wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

VE didn’t raid today, for the record. Pretty sure we had a good small man going though.

VE is one of the best guilds I've ever seen in terms of fighting abilities as a group; comparable to Dracarys; no other guilds currently come close IMO. I can't imagine it is satisfying for VE to run around destroying EP pugs who are outnumbered, arent organized into groups, aren't in discord; all with incredibly crippling lag. I'm used to seeing the reverse, VE or Dracarys running around outnumbered 4 to 1 and not dying; although I guess even that would get old after a while.

The biggest difference between VE and Drac is that we don't need 24+ to achieve our goals we run 8-12 man, so I don't think it's fair to compare us really.

You're right. There really is no need for comparison, when the object of play is entirely different. I will correct you though, since you are having difficulty counting tonight, again.

I run 24 players. This has never changed once in six years. Not once. The group size is 24, and until ZOS decides to change that, absolutely no one will tell me I cannot run 24.

"If you are in a PvP group in Cyrodiil, you are prepared to die." I would suggest as many players as possible adapt this philosophy into their own mindset. Siege weapons irrelevant, numbers irrelevant, faction colors and lag meaningless. You came to Cyrodiil to PvP, you better have come prepared to die.

I will further correct your claim of 8-12, Dracarys runs 14 regularly and if you want to contest that, better check in with your GM who told me himself that's what he runs regularly. Unless you are having trouble filling your roster? I can't imagine a guild that's nothing more than the 6th string iteration of Havoc would have troubles filling their roster. That would almost correlate to how many name changes you've gone through, wouldn't it.

I built VE to perform against Faction stacks, to push odds, to dethrone emperors that no one else would approach. That is how we have always played. For the original intent of Cyrodiil, the goal of objectives holding real importance. I have repeatedly rehomed us on the weakest faction, to seek fairness where it is lost, to level the scales of balance that have been tipped erroneously. I have intentionally placed myself and my guild at odds with both opposing factions, and "friends" who watched us go. This is all done in the pursuit of excellence and teamwork, to achieve results most would assume improbable or simply impossible. Within all of this I have also built a community of friendships that has stood the test of time these last six years, these players will always play together, always rely on each other, and always have something special for them here, no matter what game we find ourselves in.

Dracarys is the remnant of a hijacked guild from players who meddled in business that wasn't theirs, and should've stayed on EU servers. The only credit I will lend to your leadership, is that the attention to detail and level of coordination presented rival our own. To execute that level of play is no small feat, and you are my most enjoyable fight in Cyrodiil hands down. However, that is where all of my niceties cease.

Dracarys does absolutely nothing for their faction, whatever faction they're on.

You don't push objectives.

You don't push dethrones.

You don't care who wins or loses.

You don't have goals.

You don't care about anything but meaningless AP and easy farms.

There is no comparison. If all I cared about was fighting pugs who didn't know up from down, I'd run 12 too. Because it's easy. There seems to be some weird fascination with your survival and conquest and I've come to understand it comes from nothing other than ignorance to how Dracarys actually plays. Dracarys doesn't run 12-14 because it allows them to achieve anything, the notion makes me want to laugh and vomit at the same time. Dracarys runs small so they can abuse purge caps and keep their movement almost perfect, and it damn near is perfect. If it weren't for the fact that the second and larger reason Dracarys runs so small is for deniability.

"Our wins mean more because we have less, but our losses mean nothing because we had less."

Your entire guild is a fallacy.

Next, you'll counter with GvG arguments. Aye, you are assuredly undefeated on a platform that perfectly allows for you to counter and consider your opponents every move without interference from outside sources or the distraction of an objective like Keep Flags. Well done.

If I cared about posterity as much as you all do maybe people would think of VE the same way instead of hating us. VE pushes the map, we push the objectives, place ourselves in greater situations than the top of a hill with a scroll in our clutches. We take things from factions and we do so almost no matter the obstacle. This alone, is why we are hated. Anyone who actually contributes lag to VEs presence has years of playing in Cyrodiil before they can talk to me about lag.

In terms of this Drac vs VE debate, there is no debate. It's at best 14 of you vs my 24. You can get your hits in, but we roll you. It's a distinct advantage that I make no attempts to deny, but you're a PvP group in Cyrodiil.
You are prepared to die, aren't you?
I am. I have no shame saying you've been responsible for some of my group deaths, and I've died to you before.
Whereas all you have to offer me, is your shame.

I created a community that thrives on teamwork and friendship. You're apart of a guild that can't hold the same roster outside of a handful of names and throws salt at every group and player you dislike so you can feel superior in a video game.

You're right. Don't ever compare us again.

Please feel free to reply. My next reply will be where it belongs, in Cyrodiil.