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What is the best class to use the new vampire skill line?
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Cameron991✭✭✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »necromancer seem to work well since mystic siphon, expunge modify, necrotic potency/dreaden pain all cost nothing / health to use...? coupled with equilibrium from mages guild...hmmm
That’s true! Thanks for bringing this forum back up I was actually going bring this back up with the pts now up0 -
BalticBlues✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Because some Vampire skills cost HEALTH instead of Magicka,
a Necromancer also should benefit from the health bonus of this class.0 -
JamieAubrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Any stam class since they are ALL melee skills, forget they cost magicka that doesn't matter0 -
Vercingetorix✭✭✭✭✭
✭Necromancer is the class that has the most synergy with Vampirism. Necros and Vamps both reward and scale with high health pools. Necromancer also has skills (siphon/tether) and a passive (Reusable Parts) that bypass the cost penalty.“Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”1 -
Vercingetorix✭✭✭✭✭
✭MagDK so you can constantly keep your health up with dragonblood while using that ability that improves power at the cost of HP per second.
The Fortitude buff is sadly wasted as a Vampire. Dragonknights honestly have the least synergy with Vampirism. Doesn’t mean it won’t work, but DK abilities already cost a ton, DK has limited heals, and has no way to bypass the penalties.“Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”2 -
Cameron991✭✭✭✭Vercingetorix wrote: »Necromancer is the class that has the most synergy with Vampirism. Necros and Vamps both reward and scale with high health pools. Necromancer also has skills (siphon/tether) and a passive (Reusable Parts) that bypass the cost penalty.
Thank you for your insight I think I’m leaning most towards in all out vampire build with the magcro0 -
Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Vercingetorix wrote: »MagDK so you can constantly keep your health up with dragonblood while using that ability that improves power at the cost of HP per second.
The Fortitude buff is sadly wasted as a Vampire. Dragonknights honestly have the least synergy with Vampirism. Doesn’t mean it won’t work, but DK abilities already cost a ton, DK has limited heals, and has no way to bypass the penalties.
makes kinda sense too that the fire mage doesnt match that well...
the only thing im sad about is the lack of synergies with nightblade as this seems an obvious thematic fit...0 -
Vevvev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Vercingetorix wrote: »
The Fortitude buff is sadly wasted as a Vampire. Dragonknights honestly have the least synergy with Vampirism. Doesn’t mean it won’t work, but DK abilities already cost a ton, DK has limited heals, and has no way to bypass the penalties.
Coagulating Blood is still very powerful at topping off your HP without the help of the Major Fortitude buff, but if a person is actually at stage 4 as a DK with the current PTS build they are not very intelligent. As you pointed out DK skills are ridiculously expensive and the non-vampire cost increase at stage 4 really ruins their ability to fight. Not to mention the stage 4 passive does not help the DK play style at all which is about standing your ground and taking a beating. Stam DK though is sadly never going to even be able to touch vampirisim due to how magic focused it is. Maybe with Resolving Vigor equipped they have a chance but.... its basically going to negate blood craze's health drain and not help them in staying alive if they're getting hit as well.
Sadly that comment you replied to is a bit old. I'm no longer in agreement with myself back then and I still main MagDK today.PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK0 -
Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭sorcerer might also work really well since they can heal by criting (and the vampire attack crits below 50% health) and dark conversion, unholy knowledge, blood magic, power stone, endless fury etc...0 -
LadyBugLDB✭✭I played a Magcro vamp on live now (PvE only) ... I played around with it on PTS. I will say Magrco synergized really great with the new vamp skill line but it still could be better.
The big plus of Magcro is that each skill line has a no-cost spell. One that is a DoT, one that is a HoT and one that is a samml heal that generates ult. Keep in mind that all three of those skills require a corpse on the ground. I had never really used Mystic Siphon and Braided Teather before (and only used Nectoric Potency to clean up bodies after combat). However, the increased cost that comes from the new vamp mech made me experiment with them. I have to say it as a very fun yet very challenging playstyle. It forced me to play differently, really having to time and think about corpse generation and consumption along with how I positioned myself during combat (but I guess that was the original intent of necro anyway). It was differently NOT a build for a n00b or someone who wants to keep things simple or drop things fast.
Where Magcro could be better for vamp is when it comes to sustain, especially if you want to add Blood Mist to your rotation. While I support the disabling of Magicka Recovery in mist form, I think that should only apply to your recovery stat. Other forms of restoring Magicka from active and passive skills should still work (IMO). Oddly enough, sets that proc to return Magicka (e.g. Hollowfang Thirst, Magicka Furnance) still work ... seems odd to me. I would regularly come out of mist form with next to nothing left in the tank and all my points are in Magicka1 -
Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
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If you intend to do PVP with it I think you're going to be disappointed. I spent the better part of two weeks on the PTS trying to make vampirism work on my magblade, and outside of stage 1 for the Dark Stalker passive, vampirism is just a heap of trash for the class.Grianasteri wrote: »Thematically, and visually, I think Nightblade remains the most appropriate class. A close 2nd perhaps being Necromancer.
Meta wise, I really not sure until I get my hands on it. I guess some content providers will do the more detailed testing which may help.
Personally, I created a themed Magblade specifically for this upcoming update, shes already a vampire and fully levelled, so very much looking forward to creating the full vampire experience with a full skill line!
I'm sure there are niche builds that could be decent but literally every other class is better suited for vampirism. (Honestly, other classes are better suited for pretty much everything at this point.)Edited by Langeston on May 9, 2020 10:30AM1 -
Cameron991✭✭✭✭Vercingetorix wrote: »Necromancer is the class that has the most synergy with Vampirism. Necros and Vamps both reward and scale with high health pools. Necromancer also has skills (siphon/tether) and a passive (Reusable Parts) that bypass the cost penalty.
Thank you for your insight I think I’m leaning most towards in all out vampire build with the magcro
Yeah sadly... which is why I personally want them to add more to the kit like these NPC vampire abilities that start at 2:07 in this video. Not sure why they are so much cooler and so much bore vampiric then a scion from lemae bal want of the strongest bloodlines...
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MindOfTheSwarm✭✭✭✭✭
✭Cameron991 wrote: »I am wanting to create a new high elf Magicka class to build specifically for a vampire build. What is the best class to build it with. What’s the overall best passives and class abilities to pair the vampires ones with. I already have a magblade and a mag dk so I would personally prefer not making those again. I was more so wondering how a magcro and magplar
I can tell you right now that Nightblade is the worst of the bunch if going Magicka. Reason for this is that you will absolutely have to run a Resto Staff if you want to go for Stage 4. Otherwise, you have very few healing options.0 -
JMadFour✭✭✭✭✭The only issue I see with Vampire Sorc is that Blood for Blood does not proc Crystal Frags.
Otherwise it is perfectly doable.
Vamp still needs a gap closer though.2 -
MonkLoHan✭✭✭Think I'll play around on the PTS with a Magplar Vampire. Being able to spam Jabs (for healing) along with Blood for Blood sounds like it could be a good deal with zero sustain issues. Maybe a 50/50 split between Magicka and Health could do it.
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drakthir✭✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »Vercingetorix wrote: »MagDK so you can constantly keep your health up with dragonblood while using that ability that improves power at the cost of HP per second.
The Fortitude buff is sadly wasted as a Vampire. Dragonknights honestly have the least synergy with Vampirism. Doesn’t mean it won’t work, but DK abilities already cost a ton, DK has limited heals, and has no way to bypass the penalties.
makes kinda sense too that the fire mage doesnt match that well...
the only thing im sad about is the lack of synergies with nightblade as this seems an obvious thematic fit...
honestly though, no matter what class you're probably gonna be using fire staff with vampire and it doesn't feel right at all, we need a magic damage dps staff
I would go with nightblade as they use a lot of blood magic/dark stuff as thematically it fits well
Sorcerer second, they got some real nice passives0
