What is the best class to use the new vampire skill line?
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Cameron991✭✭✭✭Pyr0xyrecuprotite wrote: »Mag Necro is thematically the most suitable to play as a new vampire, as they already have a lot of skills that will give a bounty if used near non-hostile NPCs... i.e. get used to being the social pariah.
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Raudgrani✭✭✭✭✭
✭Pretty much all/none, because the 20% cost increase to non-vampire skills will more or less make class irrelevant I suppose. It will probably be more about race, especially if you want to use any non-vampire skills.1 -
Cameron991✭✭✭✭Pretty much all/none, because the 20% cost increase to non-vampire skills will more or less make class irrelevant I suppose. It will probably be more about race, especially if you want to use any non-vampire skills.
Yeah I can see what you mean but surely some classes have good passives and ability that can go really well with a full vampire build0 -
Raudgrani✭✭✭✭✭
✭Cameron991 wrote: »
Yeah I can see what you mean but surely some classes have good passives and ability that can go really well with a full vampire build
I see what you meant, and I'm kind of familiar with all classes, but I can't really think of any class that would make a perfect match. People would instinctively say "Nightblade!", but this essentially just makes Nightblade even more pointless - and I don't necessarily say it's a bad thing.
It might be that ZOS wants to make this a pretty free choice, sutable for every kind of class and stamina/magicka variation. DK's will have magicka and stamina back from using the ultimate, while the health will snap back up automatically - that's among the only class benefit I can come to think of instantly.1 -
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✭Thematically, and visually, I think Nightblade remains the most appropriate class. A close 2nd perhaps being Necromancer.
Meta wise, I really not sure until I get my hands on it. I guess some content providers will do the more detailed testing which may help.
Personally, I created a themed Magblade specifically for this upcoming update, shes already a vampire and fully levelled, so very much looking forward to creating the full vampire experience with a full skill line!2 -
ImSoPro✭✭✭Cameron991 wrote: »
What makes magcro harder? Is it bc it’s like aoe based or bc it lacks single target damage? Or something else?
Magcro is just missing speed and a class stun. That’s it. Vamps bring both so a Magcro vamp would synergize really well. Especially a solo PVP magcro vamp with the new AOE stuns the vampire skill line is bringing. Magcro already has the strongest AOE burst skill in the game with the colossus ult. Good heals which vamp needs and good burst with a new and improved blastbones.
You don’t HAVE to play a harmony build. I don’t play a harmony build and run NMA and necropotence and do fine. I just stack pen and SD to cut through this tank meta. Gonna wait till greymoor goes live to test how viable some of the old useless vamp sets will be on a different set up.
Also people upset about vamps stealing NB class identity, but so what a vamp NB would probably be good too. Then again maybe not cause stamblade better and vamp is mag oriented. Only time will tell.
Edited by ImSoPro on April 1, 2020 1:57PM2 -
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✭✭Cameron991 wrote: »
Yeah I can see what you mean but surely some classes have good passives and ability that can go really well with a full vampire build
Pretty much sorc and nightblade will be left out to dry with vampire, and all melee classes will be fine. Its awful in its current iteration.3 -
Cameron991✭✭✭✭Pretty much all/none, because the 20% cost increase to non-vampire skills will more or less make class irrelevant I suppose. It will probably be more about race, especially if you want to use any non-vampire skills.
Yeah I can see what you mean but surely some classes have good passives and ability that can go really well with a full vampire build
Magcro is just missing speed and a class stun. That’s it. Vamps bring both so a Magcro vamp would synergize really well. Especially a solo PVP magcro vamp with the new AOE stuns the vampire skill line is bringing. Magcro already has the strongest AOE burst skill in the game with the colossus ult. Good heals which vamp needs and good burst with a new and improved blastbones.
You don’t HAVE to play a harmony build. I don’t play a harmony build and run NMA and necropotence and do fine. I just stack pen and SD to cut through this tank meta. Gonna wait till greymoor goes live to test how viable some of the old useless vamp sets will be on a different set up.
Also people upset about vamps stealing NB class identity, but so what a vamp NB would probably be good too. Then again maybe not cause stamblade better and vamp is mag oriented. Only time will tell.
That’s actually sounds great to hear! So with the new mesmerize magcro should be able to land it’s aoe pressure easier! What about if I plan on using blood scion bat morph instead of the colossus would it still have that burst factor to it?0 -
Tessitura✭✭✭✭✭I am think Magblade or Magcro will be able to really shine with the skills and passives. Magcro can probably get some intense burst with that blood craze, plus give them a reliable aoe cc that holds people in place and you got a *** you combo with colossus.
NB however is primed to synergize with these skills so well. I can't wait to build some stupid strong brawler that heals like mad and hits people with big execute damage.1 -
Cameron991✭✭✭✭I am think Magblade or Magcro will be able to really shine with the skills and passives. Magcro can probably get some intense burst with that blood craze, plus give them a reliable aoe cc that holds people in place and you got a *** you combo with colossus.
NB however is primed to synergize with these skills so well. I can't wait to build some stupid strong brawler that heals like mad and hits people with big execute damage.
So do you think magcro won’t work well if I use vamp lord instead?0 -
Tessitura✭✭✭✭✭Cameron991 wrote: »
So do you think magcro won’t work well if I use vamp lord instead?
Uh, I mean, it's like this. The combo set ups you can do with your ult and the aoe stun is just too good for me to pass up. But I back bar Bone Goliath with my Magcro for a oh *** button to save my life. Can' just replace that with the Blood scion ult. They are basically the same thing with different flavors and some different effects. But they are both good defensive ults I am sure. So you could make it work, just not as a offensive ult. Unless it does some serious damage with the bat swarm.0 -
Tessitura✭✭✭✭✭
Magcro is just missing speed and a class stun. That’s it. Vamps bring both so a Magcro vamp would synergize really well. Especially a solo PVP magcro vamp with the new AOE stuns the vampire skill line is bringing. Magcro already has the strongest AOE burst skill in the game with the colossus ult. Good heals which vamp needs and good burst with a new and improved blastbones.
You don’t HAVE to play a harmony build. I don’t play a harmony build and run NMA and necropotence and do fine. I just stack pen and SD to cut through this tank meta. Gonna wait till greymoor goes live to test how viable some of the old useless vamp sets will be on a different set up.
Also people upset about vamps stealing NB class identity, but so what a vamp NB would probably be good too. Then again maybe not cause stamblade better and vamp is mag oriented. Only time will tell.
Stam blade was better, this can do wonder's for magblade if you ask me. I just keep thinking about how much of a buzzkill it will be to use that ranged execute after letting your health tick down in some safe spot with Bloody Mess, and then just stealth on up to someone getting laid into then bursting them down with one or two hits. Then away you go to recover health and do it again to some other schmuck.
If you use the right sets and passives you can keep sloting the healing cloak and then sprint for your sneak attack on a dude. Everyone is talking about it stealing NB's kit, but I think it adds to it. Now they can eat their cake and have it too. Can't wait to try it out. Some much stealth synergy.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Warden both offensively and defensively. Warden can play well on low health thanks to their tankiness and they get 10% magic damage. But really any class with high natural tankiness can make it work (the way it is clearly intended to be played) so Templar, Necromancer and Dragonknight are great for sure.
Mostly Warden and Necromancer though, since the vampire spammable will surely outperform their class spammables.Auri-El is my lord,
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Cameron991✭✭✭✭Warden both offensively and defensively. Warden can play well on low health thanks to their tankiness and they get 10% magic damage. But really any class with high natural tankiness can make it work (the way it is clearly intended to be played) so Templar, Necromancer and Dragonknight are great for sure.
Mostly Warden and Necromancer though, since the vampire spammable will surely outperform their class spammables.
What class do you think will do the best with keeping vamp lord as the main ult on the dps barEdited by Cameron991 on April 2, 2020 3:17AM0 -
Tessitura✭✭✭✭✭Cameron991 wrote: »
What class do you think will do the best with keeping vamp lord as the main ult on the dps bar
Both have better offense ults, but Warden might make it work better? But only because Colossus is just too good to pass up when you really want to put damage down. Now that said, you can just be offensive with Scion on Necro, you do get more magicka, so that will up your damage, and we haven't seen the damage numbers on Bat Scion yet so it could be strong. Night Scion loses all the negatives of being a vamp while you are in that form so you could spam more none vamp attacks. But ultimately, it probably won't pull the Numbers a simple Colossus or Sleet Storm would.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Magplar with Blood Frenzy + Sweeps could be fun.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
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ScardyFox✭✭✭✭✭I'm going to make a templar Darkelf for it - no idea if thats good or not, but I'll give it a try0 -
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✭✭✭Looking at the abilities and not passives, I think it’s too early to say. A lot of it depends on what the final values are.
If you’re going to run up to stage 4 and use a lot of vampire abilities then it’ll depend on how strong that brain drain and the mitigation passive will be.
The only self healing abilities is brain drain and the ult. Unless brain drain is really strong some classes might not work that well. Without final values it’s hard to say.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
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✭✭✭✭✭Cameron991 wrote: »
What class do you think will do the best with keeping vamp lord as the main ult on the dps bar
Hm, maybe Nightblades since they have the highest ultimate regeneration with Catalyst and Transfer. But any class can make it work. A few vampire drains and you can have 100% uptime.Auri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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starlizard70ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭A magtempler is usually a safe bet to play a vampire. Since vampire skill usually are magic based, any magic version of a class can work. Some classes involve more planning to make vampires work and if you try a stamina build, then you really have some planning to do."We have found a cave, but I don't think there are warm fires and friendly faces inside."0 -
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Hm, maybe Nightblades since they have the highest ultimate regeneration with Catalyst and Transfer. But any class can make it work. A few vampire drains and you can have 100% uptime.
Highiest ulti regen belongs to necros without a doubt. Second place wardens. Blades are third. So probably necros
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Cameron991✭✭✭✭Czekoludek wrote: »
Highiest ulti regen belongs to necros without a doubt. Second place wardens. Blades are third. So probably necros
Hahaha honestly I’m really leaning towards necro rn but I’m just really worried that it will be really bad due to me using the vamp lord ult instead of colossus. Bc when I build my vampire build I wanna equip all abilities especially bat scion. Hopefully it’s great damage but we won’t know for sure until pts then release, but I just am a bit stuck up on magplar and necro more so leaning towards necro but don’t know how well they perform without colossus0 -
Cameron991✭✭✭✭starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »A magtempler is usually a safe bet to play a vampire. Since vampire skill usually are magic based, any magic version of a class can work. Some classes involve more planning to make vampires work and if you try a stamina build, then you really have some planning to do.
Yeah I’m trying to plan out my mag vampire build but I just wanted to hear everyone’s thought I’m definitely going to wait till pts is out to see what’s best for sure
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proteinexe✭✭✭✭@Cameron991 I saw you asked if MagCro are good for solo PvP. In answer, if you play to their strengths and you’re patient, they’ll wipe whole groups out as long as you can sustain. The Meta atm for them is to have harmony jewellery (increasing synergy damage) and Balorgs monster set with colossus ultimate and boneyard with the synergy.
Throw a blast bones into the group, pop your colossus just before blast bones explodes. Drop your Graveyard on the group, pop the synergy and if anyone is left alive, put another blast bones in there. That’ll do the trick. My spell damage at the peak is 4800, and I’m incredibly tanky, being able to kite until the perfect time.
On the other hand, magsorc is good for picking people off.. and unfortunately (i have no say, but from what i’ve heard), magblade has been gutted.. which is horrible to see. They were annoying ***, but they didn't deserve what they got.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Cameron991 wrote: »
Hahaha honestly I’m really leaning towards necro rn but I’m just really worried that it will be really bad due to me using the vamp lord ult instead of colossus. Bc when I build my vampire build I wanna equip all abilities especially bat scion. Hopefully it’s great damage but we won’t know for sure until pts then release, but I just am a bit stuck up on magplar and necro more so leaning towards necro but don’t know how well they perform without colossus
But vampire lord is just a steroid version of bone colossus. Why would you use that instead of vampire lord?
You have the same duration, but almost half the cost, get over 10k to your ressources and so on.Auri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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Cameron991✭✭✭✭
But vampire lord is just a steroid version of bone colossus. Why would you use that instead of vampire lord?
You have the same duration, but almost half the cost, get over 10k to your ressources and so on.
I was talking about the frozen colossus not the bone Goliath ult0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭necromancer seem to work well since mystic siphon, expunge modify, necrotic potency/dreaden pain all cost nothing / health to use...? coupled with equilibrium from mages guild...hmmm
for a vampire focused skill, maybe Necro + Breton + Vampire Lord + False God?Edited by Nemesis7884 on April 21, 2020 6:26PM1
