What is the best class to use the new vampire skill line?

Cameron991

Pyr0xyrecuprotite wrote: »

Mag Necro is thematically the most suitable to play as a new vampire, as they already have a lot of skills that will give a bounty if used near non-hostile NPCs... i.e. get used to being the social pariah.

Agreed

relentless_turnip

Bexy wrote: »

I don't know what's the BEST but I'll use it on my Sorc main, plus she's a vamp already. Currently Stamina, I'll switch back to Magicka and make a new Vamp build. I can do that because I'm a Dunmer.

enjoy the 2.3% fire resistance

Raudgrani

Pretty much all/none, because the 20% cost increase to non-vampire skills will more or less make class irrelevant I suppose. It will probably be more about race, especially if you want to use any non-vampire skills.

Cameron991

Raudgrani wrote: »

Pretty much all/none, because the 20% cost increase to non-vampire skills will more or less make class irrelevant I suppose. It will probably be more about race, especially if you want to use any non-vampire skills.

Yeah I can see what you mean but surely some classes have good passives and ability that can go really well with a full vampire build

Raudgrani

Cameron991 wrote: »

Raudgrani wrote: »

Pretty much all/none, because the 20% cost increase to non-vampire skills will more or less make class irrelevant I suppose. It will probably be more about race, especially if you want to use any non-vampire skills.

Yeah I can see what you mean but surely some classes have good passives and ability that can go really well with a full vampire build

I see what you meant, and I'm kind of familiar with all classes, but I can't really think of any class that would make a perfect match. People would instinctively say "Nightblade!", but this essentially just makes Nightblade even more pointless - and I don't necessarily say it's a bad thing.

It might be that ZOS wants to make this a pretty free choice, sutable for every kind of class and stamina/magicka variation. DK's will have magicka and stamina back from using the ultimate, while the health will snap back up automatically - that's among the only class benefit I can come to think of instantly.

Grianasteri

Thematically, and visually, I think Nightblade remains the most appropriate class. A close 2nd perhaps being Necromancer.

Meta wise, I really not sure until I get my hands on it. I guess some content providers will do the more detailed testing which may help.

Personally, I created a themed Magblade specifically for this upcoming update, shes already a vampire and fully levelled, so very much looking forward to creating the full vampire experience with a full skill line!

ImSoPro

Cameron991 wrote: »

Czekoludek wrote: »

Cameron991 wrote: »

Czekoludek wrote: »

Cameron991 wrote: »

Czekoludek wrote: »

AinSoph wrote: »

NB's. Stam's can now run for invis and mag's get more SD for breaking Invis.

You got much more power on magcro or magsorc then magblade. I would say magsorc is a right class, their burst is quite good. Even now, sorcs are better gankers then blades

Are magcro only good group pvp? Or are the also really good for solo

Magcro in PvP are pretty hard and I would say, shine only in group play. It is fun class but not the most powerful. For PvP, magplars or magsorcs are a go to class. When you look at class versatility, magsorc is the winner. Best chance that after the potential nerfs they still gonna be good

Dang that’s a bummer, I’m tied up on magcro and magplar for a straight up vamp build but I’m worried bc I solo mostly In pvp and I would and as you said magcro May be too hard. And magplar looks fun to play but I can’t lie the aesthetics are actually bothering me for a vampire class, the shiny golden abilities are the complete opposite of an undead creature of the night so this is quite a hard choice but o do know it’s between those two

If you are good, you might kill potatoes with ease but problem is against competent players. My advice, wait for next PTS to see aby class changes.

What makes magcro harder? Is it bc it’s like aoe based or bc it lacks single target damage? Or something else?

Magcro is just missing speed and a class stun. That’s it. Vamps bring both so a Magcro vamp would synergize really well. Especially a solo PVP magcro vamp with the new AOE stuns the vampire skill line is bringing. Magcro already has the strongest AOE burst skill in the game with the colossus ult. Good heals which vamp needs and good burst with a new and improved blastbones.

You don’t HAVE to play a harmony build. I don’t play a harmony build and run NMA and necropotence and do fine. I just stack pen and SD to cut through this tank meta. Gonna wait till greymoor goes live to test how viable some of the old useless vamp sets will be on a different set up.

Also people upset about vamps stealing NB class identity, but so what a vamp NB would probably be good too. Then again maybe not cause stamblade better and vamp is mag oriented. Only time will tell.

TheFM

Cameron991 wrote: »

Raudgrani wrote: »

Pretty much all/none, because the 20% cost increase to non-vampire skills will more or less make class irrelevant I suppose. It will probably be more about race, especially if you want to use any non-vampire skills.

Yeah I can see what you mean but surely some classes have good passives and ability that can go really well with a full vampire build

Pretty much sorc and nightblade will be left out to dry with vampire, and all melee classes will be fine. Its awful in its current iteration.

Cameron991

Raudgrani wrote: »

Pretty much all/none, because the 20% cost increase to non-vampire skills will more or less make class irrelevant I suppose. It will probably be more about race, especially if you want to use any non-vampire skills.

Yeah I can see what you mean but surely some classes have good passives and ability that can go really well with a full vampire build

ImSoPro wrote: »

Cameron991 wrote: »

Czekoludek wrote: »

Cameron991 wrote: »

Czekoludek wrote: »

Cameron991 wrote: »

Czekoludek wrote: »

AinSoph wrote: »

NB's. Stam's can now run for invis and mag's get more SD for breaking Invis.

You got much more power on magcro or magsorc then magblade. I would say magsorc is a right class, their burst is quite good. Even now, sorcs are better gankers then blades

Are magcro only good group pvp? Or are the also really good for solo

Magcro in PvP are pretty hard and I would say, shine only in group play. It is fun class but not the most powerful. For PvP, magplars or magsorcs are a go to class. When you look at class versatility, magsorc is the winner. Best chance that after the potential nerfs they still gonna be good

Dang that’s a bummer, I’m tied up on magcro and magplar for a straight up vamp build but I’m worried bc I solo mostly In pvp and I would and as you said magcro May be too hard. And magplar looks fun to play but I can’t lie the aesthetics are actually bothering me for a vampire class, the shiny golden abilities are the complete opposite of an undead creature of the night so this is quite a hard choice but o do know it’s between those two

If you are good, you might kill potatoes with ease but problem is against competent players. My advice, wait for next PTS to see aby class changes.

What makes magcro harder? Is it bc it’s like aoe based or bc it lacks single target damage? Or something else?

Magcro is just missing speed and a class stun. That’s it. Vamps bring both so a Magcro vamp would synergize really well. Especially a solo PVP magcro vamp with the new AOE stuns the vampire skill line is bringing. Magcro already has the strongest AOE burst skill in the game with the colossus ult. Good heals which vamp needs and good burst with a new and improved blastbones.

You don’t HAVE to play a harmony build. I don’t play a harmony build and run NMA and necropotence and do fine. I just stack pen and SD to cut through this tank meta. Gonna wait till greymoor goes live to test how viable some of the old useless vamp sets will be on a different set up.

Also people upset about vamps stealing NB class identity, but so what a vamp NB would probably be good too. Then again maybe not cause stamblade better and vamp is mag oriented. Only time will tell.

That’s actually sounds great to hear! So with the new mesmerize magcro should be able to land it’s aoe pressure easier! What about if I plan on using blood scion bat morph instead of the colossus would it still have that burst factor to it?

Tessitura

I am think Magblade or Magcro will be able to really shine with the skills and passives. Magcro can probably get some intense burst with that blood craze, plus give them a reliable aoe cc that holds people in place and you got a *** you combo with colossus.

NB however is primed to synergize with these skills so well. I can't wait to build some stupid strong brawler that heals like mad and hits people with big execute damage.

Cameron991

Tessitura wrote: »

I am think Magblade or Magcro will be able to really shine with the skills and passives. Magcro can probably get some intense burst with that blood craze, plus give them a reliable aoe cc that holds people in place and you got a *** you combo with colossus.

NB however is primed to synergize with these skills so well. I can't wait to build some stupid strong brawler that heals like mad and hits people with big execute damage.

So do you think magcro won’t work well if I use vamp lord instead?

Tessitura

Cameron991 wrote: »

Tessitura wrote: »

I am think Magblade or Magcro will be able to really shine with the skills and passives. Magcro can probably get some intense burst with that blood craze, plus give them a reliable aoe cc that holds people in place and you got a *** you combo with colossus.

NB however is primed to synergize with these skills so well. I can't wait to build some stupid strong brawler that heals like mad and hits people with big execute damage.

So do you think magcro won’t work well if I use vamp lord instead?

Uh, I mean, it's like this. The combo set ups you can do with your ult and the aoe stun is just too good for me to pass up. But I back bar Bone Goliath with my Magcro for a oh *** button to save my life. Can' just replace that with the Blood scion ult. They are basically the same thing with different flavors and some different effects. But they are both good defensive ults I am sure. So you could make it work, just not as a offensive ult. Unless it does some serious damage with the bat swarm.

Tessitura

ImSoPro wrote: »

Cameron991 wrote: »

Czekoludek wrote: »

Cameron991 wrote: »

Czekoludek wrote: »

Cameron991 wrote: »

Czekoludek wrote: »

AinSoph wrote: »

NB's. Stam's can now run for invis and mag's get more SD for breaking Invis.

You got much more power on magcro or magsorc then magblade. I would say magsorc is a right class, their burst is quite good. Even now, sorcs are better gankers then blades

Are magcro only good group pvp? Or are the also really good for solo

Magcro in PvP are pretty hard and I would say, shine only in group play. It is fun class but not the most powerful. For PvP, magplars or magsorcs are a go to class. When you look at class versatility, magsorc is the winner. Best chance that after the potential nerfs they still gonna be good

Dang that’s a bummer, I’m tied up on magcro and magplar for a straight up vamp build but I’m worried bc I solo mostly In pvp and I would and as you said magcro May be too hard. And magplar looks fun to play but I can’t lie the aesthetics are actually bothering me for a vampire class, the shiny golden abilities are the complete opposite of an undead creature of the night so this is quite a hard choice but o do know it’s between those two

If you are good, you might kill potatoes with ease but problem is against competent players. My advice, wait for next PTS to see aby class changes.

What makes magcro harder? Is it bc it’s like aoe based or bc it lacks single target damage? Or something else?

Magcro is just missing speed and a class stun. That’s it. Vamps bring both so a Magcro vamp would synergize really well. Especially a solo PVP magcro vamp with the new AOE stuns the vampire skill line is bringing. Magcro already has the strongest AOE burst skill in the game with the colossus ult. Good heals which vamp needs and good burst with a new and improved blastbones.

You don’t HAVE to play a harmony build. I don’t play a harmony build and run NMA and necropotence and do fine. I just stack pen and SD to cut through this tank meta. Gonna wait till greymoor goes live to test how viable some of the old useless vamp sets will be on a different set up.

Also people upset about vamps stealing NB class identity, but so what a vamp NB would probably be good too. Then again maybe not cause stamblade better and vamp is mag oriented. Only time will tell.

Stam blade was better, this can do wonder's for magblade if you ask me. I just keep thinking about how much of a buzzkill it will be to use that ranged execute after letting your health tick down in some safe spot with Bloody Mess, and then just stealth on up to someone getting laid into then bursting them down with one or two hits. Then away you go to recover health and do it again to some other schmuck.

If you use the right sets and passives you can keep sloting the healing cloak and then sprint for your sneak attack on a dude. Everyone is talking about it stealing NB's kit, but I think it adds to it. Now they can eat their cake and have it too. Can't wait to try it out. Some much stealth synergy.

Dracane

Warden both offensively and defensively. Warden can play well on low health thanks to their tankiness and they get 10% magic damage. But really any class with high natural tankiness can make it work (the way it is clearly intended to be played) so Templar, Necromancer and Dragonknight are great for sure.

Mostly Warden and Necromancer though, since the vampire spammable will surely outperform their class spammables.

Cameron991

Dracane wrote: »

Warden both offensively and defensively. Warden can play well on low health thanks to their tankiness and they get 10% magic damage. But really any class with high natural tankiness can make it work (the way it is clearly intended to be played) so Templar, Necromancer and Dragonknight are great for sure.

Mostly Warden and Necromancer though, since the vampire spammable will surely outperform their class spammables.

What class do you think will do the best with keeping vamp lord as the main ult on the dps bar

Tessitura

Cameron991 wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Warden both offensively and defensively. Warden can play well on low health thanks to their tankiness and they get 10% magic damage. But really any class with high natural tankiness can make it work (the way it is clearly intended to be played) so Templar, Necromancer and Dragonknight are great for sure.

Mostly Warden and Necromancer though, since the vampire spammable will surely outperform their class spammables.

What class do you think will do the best with keeping vamp lord as the main ult on the dps bar

Both have better offense ults, but Warden might make it work better? But only because Colossus is just too good to pass up when you really want to put damage down. Now that said, you can just be offensive with Scion on Necro, you do get more magicka, so that will up your damage, and we haven't seen the damage numbers on Bat Scion yet so it could be strong. Night Scion loses all the negatives of being a vamp while you are in that form so you could spam more none vamp attacks. But ultimately, it probably won't pull the Numbers a simple Colossus or Sleet Storm would.

Faulgor

Magplar with Blood Frenzy + Sweeps could be fun.

ScardyFox

I'm going to make a templar Darkelf for it - no idea if thats good or not, but I'll give it a try

rexagamemnon

I have a vampire Magblade, necro would be cool

Iskiab

Looking at the abilities and not passives, I think it’s too early to say. A lot of it depends on what the final values are.

If you’re going to run up to stage 4 and use a lot of vampire abilities then it’ll depend on how strong that brain drain and the mitigation passive will be.

The only self healing abilities is brain drain and the ult. Unless brain drain is really strong some classes might not work that well. Without final values it’s hard to say.

Dracane

Cameron991 wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Warden both offensively and defensively. Warden can play well on low health thanks to their tankiness and they get 10% magic damage. But really any class with high natural tankiness can make it work (the way it is clearly intended to be played) so Templar, Necromancer and Dragonknight are great for sure.

Mostly Warden and Necromancer though, since the vampire spammable will surely outperform their class spammables.

What class do you think will do the best with keeping vamp lord as the main ult on the dps bar

Hm, maybe Nightblades since they have the highest ultimate regeneration with Catalyst and Transfer. But any class can make it work. A few vampire drains and you can have 100% uptime.

starlizard70ub17_ESO

A magtempler is usually a safe bet to play a vampire. Since vampire skill usually are magic based, any magic version of a class can work. Some classes involve more planning to make vampires work and if you try a stamina build, then you really have some planning to do.

Czekoludek

Dracane wrote: »

Cameron991 wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Warden both offensively and defensively. Warden can play well on low health thanks to their tankiness and they get 10% magic damage. But really any class with high natural tankiness can make it work (the way it is clearly intended to be played) so Templar, Necromancer and Dragonknight are great for sure.

Mostly Warden and Necromancer though, since the vampire spammable will surely outperform their class spammables.

What class do you think will do the best with keeping vamp lord as the main ult on the dps bar

Hm, maybe Nightblades since they have the highest ultimate regeneration with Catalyst and Transfer. But any class can make it work. A few vampire drains and you can have 100% uptime.

Highiest ulti regen belongs to necros without a doubt. Second place wardens. Blades are third. So probably necros

Cameron991

Czekoludek wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Cameron991 wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Warden both offensively and defensively. Warden can play well on low health thanks to their tankiness and they get 10% magic damage. But really any class with high natural tankiness can make it work (the way it is clearly intended to be played) so Templar, Necromancer and Dragonknight are great for sure.

Mostly Warden and Necromancer though, since the vampire spammable will surely outperform their class spammables.

What class do you think will do the best with keeping vamp lord as the main ult on the dps bar

Hm, maybe Nightblades since they have the highest ultimate regeneration with Catalyst and Transfer. But any class can make it work. A few vampire drains and you can have 100% uptime.

Highiest ulti regen belongs to necros without a doubt. Second place wardens. Blades are third. So probably necros

Hahaha honestly I’m really leaning towards necro rn but I’m just really worried that it will be really bad due to me using the vamp lord ult instead of colossus. Bc when I build my vampire build I wanna equip all abilities especially bat scion. Hopefully it’s great damage but we won’t know for sure until pts then release, but I just am a bit stuck up on magplar and necro more so leaning towards necro but don’t know how well they perform without colossus

Cameron991

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

A magtempler is usually a safe bet to play a vampire. Since vampire skill usually are magic based, any magic version of a class can work. Some classes involve more planning to make vampires work and if you try a stamina build, then you really have some planning to do.

Yeah I’m trying to plan out my mag vampire build but I just wanted to hear everyone’s thought I’m definitely going to wait till pts is out to see what’s best for sure

Canned_Apples

Who confirmed the 20% increase?

proteinexe

@Cameron991 I saw you asked if MagCro are good for solo PvP. In answer, if you play to their strengths and you’re patient, they’ll wipe whole groups out as long as you can sustain. The Meta atm for them is to have harmony jewellery (increasing synergy damage) and Balorgs monster set with colossus ultimate and boneyard with the synergy.

Throw a blast bones into the group, pop your colossus just before blast bones explodes. Drop your Graveyard on the group, pop the synergy and if anyone is left alive, put another blast bones in there. That’ll do the trick. My spell damage at the peak is 4800, and I’m incredibly tanky, being able to kite until the perfect time.

On the other hand, magsorc is good for picking people off.. and unfortunately (i have no say, but from what i’ve heard), magblade has been gutted.. which is horrible to see. They were annoying ***, but they didn't deserve what they got.

Dracane

Cameron991 wrote: »

Czekoludek wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Cameron991 wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Warden both offensively and defensively. Warden can play well on low health thanks to their tankiness and they get 10% magic damage. But really any class with high natural tankiness can make it work (the way it is clearly intended to be played) so Templar, Necromancer and Dragonknight are great for sure.

Mostly Warden and Necromancer though, since the vampire spammable will surely outperform their class spammables.

What class do you think will do the best with keeping vamp lord as the main ult on the dps bar

Hm, maybe Nightblades since they have the highest ultimate regeneration with Catalyst and Transfer. But any class can make it work. A few vampire drains and you can have 100% uptime.

Highiest ulti regen belongs to necros without a doubt. Second place wardens. Blades are third. So probably necros

Hahaha honestly I’m really leaning towards necro rn but I’m just really worried that it will be really bad due to me using the vamp lord ult instead of colossus. Bc when I build my vampire build I wanna equip all abilities especially bat scion. Hopefully it’s great damage but we won’t know for sure until pts then release, but I just am a bit stuck up on magplar and necro more so leaning towards necro but don’t know how well they perform without colossus

But vampire lord is just a steroid version of bone colossus. Why would you use that instead of vampire lord?
You have the same duration, but almost half the cost, get over 10k to your ressources and so on.

Cameron991

Dracane wrote: »

Cameron991 wrote: »

Czekoludek wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Cameron991 wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Warden both offensively and defensively. Warden can play well on low health thanks to their tankiness and they get 10% magic damage. But really any class with high natural tankiness can make it work (the way it is clearly intended to be played) so Templar, Necromancer and Dragonknight are great for sure.

Mostly Warden and Necromancer though, since the vampire spammable will surely outperform their class spammables.

What class do you think will do the best with keeping vamp lord as the main ult on the dps bar

Hm, maybe Nightblades since they have the highest ultimate regeneration with Catalyst and Transfer. But any class can make it work. A few vampire drains and you can have 100% uptime.

Highiest ulti regen belongs to necros without a doubt. Second place wardens. Blades are third. So probably necros

Hahaha honestly I’m really leaning towards necro rn but I’m just really worried that it will be really bad due to me using the vamp lord ult instead of colossus. Bc when I build my vampire build I wanna equip all abilities especially bat scion. Hopefully it’s great damage but we won’t know for sure until pts then release, but I just am a bit stuck up on magplar and necro more so leaning towards necro but don’t know how well they perform without colossus

But vampire lord is just a steroid version of bone colossus. Why would you use that instead of vampire lord?
You have the same duration, but almost half the cost, get over 10k to your ressources and so on.

I was talking about the frozen colossus not the bone Goliath ult

Nemesis7884

necromancer seem to work well since mystic siphon, expunge modify, necrotic potency/dreaden pain all cost nothing / health to use...? coupled with equilibrium from mages guild...hmmm

for a vampire focused skill, maybe Necro + Breton + Vampire Lord + False God?