What is the best class to use the new vampire skill line?
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Cameron991
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I am wanting to create a new high elf Magicka class to build specifically for a vampire build. What is the best class to build it with. What’s the overall best passives and class abilities to pair the vampires ones with. I already have a magblade and a mag dk so I would personally prefer not making those again. I was more so wondering how a magcro and magplar
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✭✭✭I don’t know, I was thinking magtemplar or MagWarden but it’s too early to say. Without play testing it’s all guesswork. My hunch is MagWarden would be the best.
MagWarden is moreso aoe spammy and shimmering shield protects from ranged (sorcs) so is good. Enough self healing and tankiness to get away with no defensive set.
Magtemplar has way better burst but is nowhere near as tanky, you have to build for tankiness.
I’d choose based on which playstyle you like best.
Outside chance of magsorc. That vampire ultimate boosts mag max and streak plus invis could be fun. Issue with magsorc is bars are already crowded so it’ll be hard to use the new toys.Edited by Iskiab on March 30, 2020 4:14PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
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RaptorRodeoGod✭✭✭✭✭I plan on playing around with it on my MagNecro. That blood frenzy skill sounds super cool, I'm hoping intensive mender can mitigate the health cost. However, you might want to pick a class with good sustain, because vampires are going to have increased ability costs.Add a Scribing skill that works like Arcanist beam.
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✭✭✭RaptorRodeoGod wrote: »I plan on playing around with it on my MagNecro. That blood frenzy skill sounds super cool, I'm hoping intensive mender can mitigate the health cost. However, you might want to pick a class with good sustain, because vampires are going to have increased ability costs.
I thought vampires have decreased ability costs? I missed that part.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
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I thought vampires have decreased ability costs? I missed that part.
Vampire skills have decreased ability costs.
The new cost increase is for non-vampire skills.4 -
Cameron991✭✭✭✭I don’t know, I was thinking magtemplar or MagWarden but it’s too early to say. Without play testing it’s all guesswork. My hunch is MagWarden would be the best.
MagWarden is moreso aoe spammy and shimmering shield protects from ranged (sorcs) so is good. Enough self healing and tankiness to get away with no defensive set.
Magtemplar has way better burst but is nowhere near as tanky, you have to build for tankiness.
I’d choose based on which playstyle you like best.
Outside chance of magsorc. That vampire ultimate boosts mag max and streak plus invis could be fun. Issue with magsorc is bars are already crowded so it’ll be hard to use the new toys.
Yeah i think I’m leaning more towards magplar compared to magden, I feel like that may be more fun to play. Have you played as a magcro?0 -
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✭✭✭Cameron991 wrote: »
Yeah i think I’m leaning more towards magplar compared to magden, I feel like that may be more fun to play. Have you played as a magcro?
No, I had a stamcro that I’m changing to a magcro, but haven’t finished and don’t know the class well.
It could work okay, I’m not sure.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
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✭Deleted my last available slot and and will use it for MagCroPS5/NA - Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar - Daggerfall Covenant • 1550+ ChampionSpoilerMain: (PvP & PvE)
Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar, the Vestige
PvP:
Aurik Siet'ka a Redguard Necromancer
Cacique the Sage of Ius a Redguard Warden
Jux Blackheart a Redguard Nightblade
Goliath of Hammerfell a Redguard Dragonknight
Kaotik Von Dae'mon a Redguard* Sorcerer
PvP: (Specialty)
Tyrus Septim an Imperial Lycan Sorcerer
Tsar af-Bomba a Redguard Vampiric Nightblade
Movárth Piquine a Nord Vampiric Necromancer
Uri Ice-Heart the Twin a Nord Vampiric Warden
PvE:
Cinan Tharn an Imperial Dragonknight
Bates Vesuius of Dawnstar an Imperial Dragonknight
Herzog Zwei the Genesis an Akavari* Templar
Tav'i at-Shinji a Redguard** Warden
Lucky Hunch the Gambler - a Redguard Nightblade
Leveling...
Zenovia at-Tura a Redguard** Sorcerer
Yesi af-Kalik a Redguard Templar
Voa a Priest of Sep a Redguard* Necromancer
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Passives of another race used. (RP)
*Breton
**Imperial
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Ras Kalik the Vestige, a renown Redguard warrior; He has been blessed to save Tamriel from Molag Bal’s destructive Planemeld while reuniting the Five Companions. His further accomplishments after defeating Molag Bal, has been to stop the destruction of Morrowind, the Clockwork City, return order to the isle of Summerset and create a new king in Wrothgar and a queen in Elsywer. These events have made him a living legend and continue to lead him into new adventures throughout Tamriel, as well as into the hearts of many ladies including the Elf Queen, Aryenn. Over many years of adventurous travels, Ras Kalik had become a loner, until he re-visited his homeland of Alik'r.
Alik'r and it's cities were overrun by the undead Ra-Netu and therefore he made an allegiance with Alik'r's own Ash'abah tribe. These Ash'abah with his help, cleansed the city of Sentinel in Alik'r desert and it's surrounding areas of the undead brought to life by the Withered Hand. After rescuing Sentinel from the undead zombies, King Fahara’jad’s personal bodyguard the Goliath of Hammerfell, who was given this name by Imperials in the region; was asked to assist the tribe after learning of the defeat of the Withered Hand to the Ash'abah. Kalik promised Goliath he would task him with fighting living enemies on the battlefield if he so desired. Goliath being a Yokudan warrior wields a massive sword in respect to the Ansei, a gift given by the Imperial, Cinan Tharn. Not many soldiers are able to wield double two handed weapons, but Goliath loves to get up and personal in a fight, so he also carries a giant maul, both weapons laced with magical flames.
Jux Blackheart is a master thief that masquerades as a Bard at the Sisters of the Sands inn, with his younger sidekick Lucky Hunch for pilfering and gambling during this time. Jux was known to infiltrate any towns bank vault he came across and even delved into Ayelid ruins without detection. Kalik can vividly recall the night he met the famed thief. Jux found himself rummaging thru a slightly inebriated Kalik’s pocket for too long, on a full-mooned night and because of his greed and the glimmer of his golden armor in the moonlight. He lost his left pinky fingertip as a lesson! But in return, he gained a new friend, as it was his first time since a child being caught red-handed...
Upon arrival back in the Alik'r after many moons of adventuring, Ras Kalik ventures to Bergama. Visiting The Winking Jackal, he runs into Jux Blackheart, who introduces him to the coin game Crowns vs Forebearers (Heads vs Tails) and Golden Dwemer (RBG).... Jux constantly takes gold from the unfortunate thru theft or gambling, his biggest gambling victim is actually his partner in crime known as Lucky Hunch the Gambler. Lucky doesn't mind losing any gold coins to Jux... as Jux saved him from Altmer slavers in Summerset, by stealing a key and sending him on a boat to the mainland years prior. Lucky spent years in slavery with Khajiits in Summerset and picked up the art of subterfuge, using illusion magic disguises and stealing there.
Kaotik Von’Daemon an outcast, and a half-caste between a Breton mother and a Redguard father. Kaotik become a pariah due to his conjuration of Daedra pets. He was taught healing magic during his childhood years by his Breton mother. His father due to Redguard customs exiled him from the desert, sending him by wagon caravan to be a soldier in the war in Cyrodiil. He happened to meet Kalik while traveling from Alik'r, during this long caravan ride the caravan he was in was ambushed in Bangkorai by a group of bandits. Kalik by chance was also traveling thru this area on his Auridon Warhorse (which was bestowed to him by his friend, Darien Gautier). During this ambush, Kalik was able to rescue five hostages from the bandits. Kaotik was the first rescued, and Ras Kalik also recruited him to be in the Ash'abah tribe. These core Ash'abah tribesmen may never be seen together in travel as they partake in their own adventures but they always know what each other is doing; as they frequent a hideout in northern Bankorai. Their hideout an old Orc castle ruin, is kept watch by Nuzhimeh and she passes messages written between them, and frequently they also enjoy her company and her bed.
The other men rescued were a Dunmer banker, an Imperial mercenary and two other soldiers, an Imperial and a Breton Knight, stating proudly he was an Akavir descendent. One of the Imperials, Cinan, claimed to be related to Abnur Tharn the Battlemage of the Imperial Elder Council (One of Ras Kalik's mentors in the Five Companions). Cinan Tharn was really Abnur's drunkard treasure hunting illegitimate son. He was caught smuggling artifacts out of the Ayleid ruins in Cyrodiil and the elder of the two Imperials was Tyrus Septim a retired Imperial navy battle-mage (now a Lycan mercenary living in the city of Rimmen) and guard to the Tharn family. As much as Abnur Tharn hated his half-sister Euraxia, he dislikes his bas†ard son Cinan more. Tyrus now a ruffian and privateer had been paid by Abnur Tharn to watch over Cinan as much as possible. Cinan Tharn a drunkard, loves to drink at least a quarter barrel of Nord mead before he raids various delves and dungeons for relics to sell on the black market. Cinan also plans to one day, run an illegal gambling ring... which he thinks will net him more gold for his wares.
The Dunmer captive shackled to the Imperials looked familiar to Kalik from his time in Morrowind.... and he recognized him as Tythis Andromo a House Telvanni slave-owner and banker from Vvardenfell. During a rough interrogation to Tythis, Ras Kalik learnt why the bandits accosted him. The racist Dunmer was providing slaves as soldiers for the Three Banner War. The bandits were trying to negotiate a lucrative ransom for Andromo and the Imperials.... Kalik did not need any of this gold and he could never set Tythis free as he did with the two Imperial soldiers. His past involvement with slavery and war crimes, made Kalik's blood boil. He chose not to execute Tythis, as he figured the worse punishment for this former rich and opulent slave owner, is to now be an imprisoned servant for Ras Kalik and the tribe.
Herzog Zwei the Genesis a reknown Imperial/Akavirri battle-mage. His roots going back to Akavir through his mother’s bloodline. (His mother is descended from the Akaviri, through Versidue-Shae, and his Imperial father met her in Hakoshae, while traveling) Herzog earned the nickname "the Genesis" from his father as a child, as he was his mother's first born child, and last, as she tragically died in child-birth.
Herzog was seeking to purchase an artifact from Cinan Tharn, before their capture and was meeting Tyrus while in Rimmen, who introduced him to Cinan. This artifact being the Ayelid artifact; the sword Sinweaver. After their rescue and the exchange of gold to Cinan for the sword he decided to slip away before Ras Kalik could question who he was, and why the Akavir descendant really wanted that sword. Herzog was headed to Nagastani — An Ayleid ruin in eastern Cyrodiil. He had read in scrolls that the Sword would give him magical powers to meet his mothers spirit, if he performed an Ayleid ritual at an old shrine hidden there. Equipped with the artifact sword, he was off to start his own adventure but Ras Kalik, did indeed notice the sword however and instead sent a letter to Jux Blackheart (whom also was interested in Ayleid treasures), to attempt to find Herzog and acquire the sword. (*Azani Blackheart in Elder Scroll's Oblivion is Jux's descendant some 747 years later)
And so the Redguard, Imperial and Akaviri men parted ways ... While Ras Kalik went off to Elsweyr to encounter the latest threat to Tamriel, with Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan - - DRAGONS!! Little did Ras Kalik know a few people were awaiting him in Senchal besides Sai. A necromancer survived his attack on the Withered Hand, while in Alik'r. The necromancer known as Auriek Siet'ka is also following him to the land of the Khajiits and Cacique the Sage of Ius a Shaman mystic who has become attuned spiritually with Tu'whacca (a Redguard God) and Ius (the Animal God), after being burned severely by the escaped dragons in Elsywer, is awaiting his arrival also. Aurik is a soldier of the Daggerfall Covenant that was introduced to necromancy while in the military, even though this magicka art is not spoken of openly by most of the Military leaders. He came to Alik'r and worked with the Withered Hand before Ras Kalik intervened on their plans. After the defeat of the Withered Hand, he aligned with the Worm Cult, and is constantly adapting and perfecting his necromantic arts.
After his journey to Rimmen, Kalik heads south to Senchal, in the southern regions of Elyswer. This new adventure will also put him on a path to meet a strange Redguard man. The stranger which was infected with an untreated Peyrite disease and also was the exiled from the Order of the New Moon cult, due to his sickness. He originally joined the cult to worship Laatvulon, the green dragon, mistakenly thinking it was the Daedric prince Peyrite. This confused and suffering cultist is known as Tsar al-Bomba and he is on a path to spread the disease. He was originally infected in Orccrest while recruiting members there. Can Ras Kalik and the shaman Cacique cure this poor soul, only time will tell. Little does Tsar al-Bomba know, that his infection is tied to Vampirism, and eventually the desire for blood will take over his mind. Senchal also offers Kalik his latest love interest... Aeliah. Whom he fondly led thru battles with the Dragonguard.
After the trek thru the heat, tropical and desert climate of Northern and Southern Elyswer, Ras Kalik heads north to the cold mountain range of Skyrim. His companion friend Lyris beckons for him with a letter sent by crow...
Movárth Piquine - a former vampire hunter (now infected), within the Fighter's Guild (and a secretive necromancer) was in Skyrim working with the Morthaal Guard. On a patrol mission he was caught in Frewien's ice curse outside of Morthaal with the frozen undead. Movárth's vampiric infection kept him from becoming an undead minion to the curse. He was able to use necromantic ice-magic to encase himself safely until he was freed with Freiwen, when the Vestige Ras Kalik broke the curse.
Uri Ice-Heart - brother of Urfon Ice-Heart. The twin sons of Atli and Oljourn Ice-Heart. The Ice-Heart family are originally from Markarth but now reside on the Jerall Mountain range near Cyrodiil, with their younger sister Araki. The twins had joined the Winterborn Reachmen while living in Markarth. Urfon pushed west to Orsinium with the Winterborn Clan, leaving his family behind. Uri stayed behind with his parents and sister to live in the family cabin for safety, avoiding the Vampire plague infiltrating the Reach. After news reaches him and he hears of Urfon's death... Uri leaves and heads home and is seeking vengeance. Meanwhile, his sister has also moved on to Windhelm to join the Fighter's guild. He will visit his sister, once before going to seek vengeance and she will craft him armor mixed with ice, called Stalhrim armor. Uri fearing death, after his brother's passing, falls victim to the convincing talk of Movárth at a Nordic tavern, and will also becomes a vampire.
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Cameron991✭✭✭✭Czekoludek wrote: »
You got much more power on magcro or magsorc then magblade. I would say magsorc is a right class, their burst is quite good. Even now, sorcs are better gankers then blades
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Cameron991✭✭✭✭Czekoludek wrote: »
You got much more power on magcro or magsorc then magblade. I would say magsorc is a right class, their burst is quite good. Even now, sorcs are better gankers then blades
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Yep....SshadowSscale wrote: »Wel of course its gonna be a nightbl...... Oh wait rip
Best imho will be to roll Necro or Sorc.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭On a related note, is there any reason to use vampire in PvE? With the recovery gone, the undeath passive might still make it a decent choice for tanks, but outside of that it seems like a pure PvP skill line to me.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
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Mortiis13✭✭✭✭I hope the synergy between vamp and sorc, necro nightblade, warden will be good. I dont like templer and dk much, but it's more a visual thing for me.0
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Bexy✭✭✭I don't know what's the BEST but I'll use it on my Sorc main, plus she's a vamp already. Currently Stamina, I'll switch back to Magicka and make a new Vamp build. I can do that because I'm a Dunmer.
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✭Cameron991 wrote: »
Are magcro only good group pvp? Or are the also really good for solo
Magcro in PvP are pretty hard and I would say, shine only in group play. It is fun class but not the most powerful. For PvP, magplars or magsorcs are a go to class. When you look at class versatility, magsorc is the winner. Best chance that after the potential nerfs they still gonna be good1 -
Cameron991✭✭✭✭Czekoludek wrote: »
Magcro in PvP are pretty hard and I would say, shine only in group play. It is fun class but not the most powerful. For PvP, magplars or magsorcs are a go to class. When you look at class versatility, magsorc is the winner. Best chance that after the potential nerfs they still gonna be good
Dang that’s a bummer, I’m tied up on magcro and magplar for a straight up vamp build but I’m worried bc I solo mostly In pvp and I would and as you said magcro May be too hard. And magplar looks fun to play but I can’t lie the aesthetics are actually bothering me for a vampire class, the shiny golden abilities are the complete opposite of an undead creature of the night so this is quite a hard choice but I do know it’s between those twoEdited by Cameron991 on March 31, 2020 3:38PM0 -
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✭✭✭Any class that has a lot of healing over time abilities will work best with the new vamp, aka necromancer.Edited by StaticWave on March 31, 2020 3:37PM1 -
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✭Cameron991 wrote: »
Dang that’s a bummer, I’m tied up on magcro and magplar for a straight up vamp build but I’m worried bc I solo mostly In pvp and I would and as you said magcro May be too hard. And magplar looks fun to play but I can’t lie the aesthetics are actually bothering me for a vampire class, the shiny golden abilities are the complete opposite of an undead creature of the night so this is quite a hard choice but o do know it’s between those two
If you are good, you might kill potatoes with ease but problem is against competent players. My advice, wait for next PTS to see aby class changes.0 -
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✭StaticWave wrote: »Any class that has a lot of healing over time abilities will work best with the new vamp, aka necromancer.
Well vamp might work well with necros as they lack mobility and vamps looks like a very mobile gameplay2 -
Cameron991✭✭✭✭Czekoludek wrote: »
Well vamp might work well with necros as they lack mobility and vamps looks like a very mobile gameplay
Agreed I have not played a magcro yet so I’m not sure how well they work but the new vampire rework sure does look like it’s very mobile0 -
Cameron991✭✭✭✭Czekoludek wrote: »
If you are good, you might kill potatoes with ease but problem is against competent players. My advice, wait for next PTS to see aby class changes.
What makes magcro harder? Is it bc it’s like aoe based or bc it lacks single target damage? Or something else?0 -
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✭Cameron991 wrote: »
What makes magcro harder? Is it bc it’s like aoe based or bc it lacks single target damage? Or something else?
They are missing a little burst and mobility (boneyard is easily avoidable and highly situational). They have hard time to land it , their blastbones don't give enemies defile, they don't have dot power that can burn down enemies in current meta, etc. But they are fun and in group play they are really valuable for the team.1 -
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✭✭✭Cameron991 wrote: »
Dang that’s a bummer, I’m tied up on magcro and magplar for a straight up vamp build but I’m worried bc I solo mostly In pvp and I would and as you said magcro May be too hard. And magplar looks fun to play but I can’t lie the aesthetics are actually bothering me for a vampire class, the shiny golden abilities are the complete opposite of an undead creature of the night so this is quite a hard choice but I do know it’s between those two
Go magcro, sounds like you want to.
I’ve been leveling skills and think they’ll do well.
When I see magcros they all in on harmony + boneyard and colossus, but there might be better ways to play it. I’ve seen some do really well solo, it’s just not easy to do.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
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Vampire skills have decreased ability costs.
The new cost increase is for non-vampire skills.
Which is absurd. There is absolutely zero reason we should get even more negative effects. And magsorcs will flat out be unable to play as a stage four vampire cuz our passives do not allow for close quarter combat.4
