Joinovikova wrote: »

Why u create such stupidly OP unbalanced set for what reason? to kill pvp completly?

2 – Adds 129 Weapon Damage
2 – Adds 129 Spell Damage
3 – Adds 1487 Physical Penetration
3 – Adds 1487 Spell Penetration
4 – Adds 129 Weapon Damage
4 – Adds 129 Spell Damage
5 – Increases your Physical and Spell Penetration by 13355 against Off-Balance enemies.

... so Toppling Charge +Elemental Drain and will remove nearly all ALL resistance ...so OP godplar will have kills combo with zero counterplay? WTF?...

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It's OP, but at least it's hybrid.

RIP Light armor user hwo are now litteraly naked.

36k pen without sharpened or cp in light armor sounds Pretty balanced to me

I also would worry more About stamden or stamcro Combos than magplar Combos with this set and balorgh.

Yup, remove it, its too strong. Titanborn atleast required you to be below 50% HP to benefit from ti -.-

dizzy swing meta will be in full flux now with this set. probably the most hair brained set theyve added to the game imo.

You want an OP magplar?

-2 piece troll king, even if they want to nerf it you'll still get 1k regen (2 light)
-5 piece Stunh (1 heavy, 1 med, 3 light)
-5 piece Eternal vigor (jewels, lightning sharpened staff and defending resto)

5k less resistance from elemental drain, 2~k from light armor passives, another 2k from sharpened and 13355 fron stuhn for a total of 22~k pen and 2k (+ at least 500 base hp regen) passive healing for using sweeps.

What a wonderful meta we are gonna have, right?

LuxiasCaelum13 wrote: »

You want an OP magplar?

-2 piece troll king, even if they want to nerf it you'll still get 1k regen (2 light)
-5 piece Stunh (1 heavy, 1 med, 3 light)
-5 piece Eternal vigor (jewels, lightning sharpened staff and defending resto)

5k less resistance from elemental drain, 2~k from light armor passives, another 2k from sharpened and 13355 fron stuhn for a total of 22~k pen and 2k (+ at least 500 base hp regen) passive healing for using sweeps.

What a wonderful meta we are gonna have, right?

Why Limit yourself to magplar when you can be a stamcro with nma frontbar, stuhn Body, brp dual wield backbar? Major vuln with full pen sounds fun? Thought so too. In Addition you also get Major protection, 15% less dot Damage, 10% Mitigation from mender, 10% Mitigation from brp dual wield, Major Evasion, 3% less dmg taken from having bitter Harvest slotted, can Slot psijic ult for additional 8% Mitigation on backbar.
Edit: You also get 100% Major defile uptime on enemies when all healing will already be nerfed.

SavageChain wrote: »

Guess he has something against magplars.

I said magplars because OP used magplar as an example (or templar, in general terms, for stamplars using toppling), obviously i know there are many setups that can exploit this.

That assumption is quite presumptuous.

SavageChain wrote: »

Btw your magplar build is pretty weak just saying.

And please, don't be childish trying to take things to the personal terrain, specially when talking about a theoretical build. This isn't a competition.

Reminder that Off-Balance is consumed and removed by a single heavy attack, and a long cool-down ensued.

On face value I'm not entirely sure how well it will work for stamina dizzy builds because a) they have onslaught anyway and b) you normally use the 2h heavy attack to stun your target and get resources back. Also means sacrificing a Weapon Damage set (NMA, Fury) which means reduced heals in a patch where heals are already getting a 10% nerf. I'm not saying it won't be good or that it won't become meta, but I'm saying that it's hard to foresee it given the reasons mentioned above and there's some obvious downsides to using it.

I think it is indeed far more potent on mag builds in general and especially magplars like @Joinovikova is saying because mag builds hardly ever heavy attack which means you're more likely to get the full duration benefit. The fact that Cresent Sweep ult is instant and cheap, works extremely well too. Purifying Light -> Topple-> Crescent-> Sweeps spam is going to be insane damage.

It's Spinner on steroids. But I want to see it before shouting for nerfs to be honest.

Maulkin wrote: »

Reminder that Off-Balance is consumed and removed by a single heavy attack, and a long cool-down ensued.

On face value I'm not entirely sure how well it will work for stamina dizzy builds because a) they have onslaught anyway and b) you normally use the 2h heavy attack to stun your target and get resources back. Also means sacrificing a Weapon Damage set (NMA, Fury) which means reduced heals in a patch where heals are already getting a 10% nerf. I'm not saying it won't be good or that it won't become meta, but I'm saying that it's hard to foresee it given the reasons mentioned above and there's some obvious downsides to using it.

I think it is indeed far more potent on mag builds in general and especially magplars like @Joinovikova is saying because mag builds hardly ever heavy attack which means you're more likely to get the full duration benefit. The fact that Cresent Sweep ult is instant and cheap, works extremely well too. Purifying Light -> Topple-> Crescent-> Sweeps spam is going to be insane damage.

It's Spinner on steroids. But I want to see it before shouting for nerfs to be honest.

It is not consumed anymore by heavy attacks, but the debuff is purgable and the CD is indeed long.

Lughlongarm wrote: »

Maulkin wrote: »

Reminder that Off-Balance is consumed and removed by a single heavy attack, and a long cool-down ensued.

On face value I'm not entirely sure how well it will work for stamina dizzy builds because a) they have onslaught anyway and b) you normally use the 2h heavy attack to stun your target and get resources back. Also means sacrificing a Weapon Damage set (NMA, Fury) which means reduced heals in a patch where heals are already getting a 10% nerf. I'm not saying it won't be good or that it won't become meta, but I'm saying that it's hard to foresee it given the reasons mentioned above and there's some obvious downsides to using it.

I think it is indeed far more potent on mag builds in general and especially magplars like @Joinovikova is saying because mag builds hardly ever heavy attack which means you're more likely to get the full duration benefit. The fact that Cresent Sweep ult is instant and cheap, works extremely well too. Purifying Light -> Topple-> Crescent-> Sweeps spam is going to be insane damage.

It's Spinner on steroids. But I want to see it before shouting for nerfs to be honest.

It is not consumed anymore by heavy attacks, but the debuff is purgable and the CD is indeed long.

Is it not? When did that happened and I missed it? So the stun from off-balanced heavies has a cooldown but it doesn't consume the debuff?

Thanks for the tip

Lughlongarm wrote: »

Maulkin wrote: »

Reminder that Off-Balance is consumed and removed by a single heavy attack, and a long cool-down ensued.

On face value I'm not entirely sure how well it will work for stamina dizzy builds because a) they have onslaught anyway and b) you normally use the 2h heavy attack to stun your target and get resources back. Also means sacrificing a Weapon Damage set (NMA, Fury) which means reduced heals in a patch where heals are already getting a 10% nerf. I'm not saying it won't be good or that it won't become meta, but I'm saying that it's hard to foresee it given the reasons mentioned above and there's some obvious downsides to using it.

I think it is indeed far more potent on mag builds in general and especially magplars like @Joinovikova is saying because mag builds hardly ever heavy attack which means you're more likely to get the full duration benefit. The fact that Cresent Sweep ult is instant and cheap, works extremely well too. Purifying Light -> Topple-> Crescent-> Sweeps spam is going to be insane damage.

It's Spinner on steroids. But I want to see it before shouting for nerfs to be honest.

It is not consumed anymore by heavy attacks, but the debuff is purgable and the CD is indeed long.

You dont need to away the cooldown to finish, when you kill your enemy anyway.

Maulkin wrote: »

Reminder that Off-Balance is consumed and removed by a single heavy attack, and a long cool-down ensued.

On face value I'm not entirely sure how well it will work for stamina dizzy builds because a) they have onslaught anyway and b) you normally use the 2h heavy attack to stun your target and get resources back. Also means sacrificing a Weapon Damage set (NMA, Fury) which means reduced heals in a patch where heals are already getting a 10% nerf. I'm not saying it won't be good or that it won't become meta, but I'm saying that it's hard to foresee it given the reasons mentioned above and there's some obvious downsides to using it.

I think it is indeed far more potent on mag builds in general and especially magplars like @Joinovikova is saying because mag builds hardly ever heavy attack which means you're more likely to get the full duration benefit. The fact that Cresent Sweep ult is instant and cheap, works extremely well too. Purifying Light -> Topple-> Crescent-> Sweeps spam is going to be insane damage.

It's Spinner on steroids. But I want to see it before shouting for nerfs to be honest.

It will be very effective on stam, because you do not have to rely on onslaught as ult anymore and can kill stuff without ult or a different ultimate. NMA is mostly already frontbarred, so changing the weapon damage from this set to 13k pen is more than worth it and more damage. Half of the stamina classes are the least affected by the healing nerf, since they have ridiculous tankyness, therefore are overhealing. As mentioned before magpalr will feel the healing nerf, therefore will feel underwhelming compared to stamina. The combo still might be potent, but not as viable or strong as on stamina.

Lughlongarm wrote: »

Looks nice for Necros as well, as they can do AOE off-balance.

Stamina* Necromancers, who almost certainly won't be slotting it over Dizzying Swing. The damage is drastically lower, it requires 3 GCDs to get the off-balance, and you'll end up "wasting" the debuff in some cases, since you may not be doing sufficient damage to the secondary target(s) during the 7 second window of death.

This set is really stupid and needs a total redesign of the 5 piece bonus. They keep trying to tie a ton of stuff to the off-balance mechanic, while leaving access to it very much off-balanced. What is my Magicka Necromancer supposed to do, throw down a Wall of Lightning and cross my fingers? If I keep Vampire, cause...you know...I'd like to have a stun that's a bit more timing-reliable than the Bone Totem, I'll end up getting deleted by Dizzy + instant "medium" attack + Dawnbreaker before my own off-balance procs. And if it does proc, Stam can probably handle it pretty easily if they notice in time; dodge roll and a little sprinting will counter both Blastbones and spammable.