Are you speaking of CP or no CP?

In CP Cyrodiil I haven't found shields something out of control. Sometimes I don't win an exchange, but sometimes I do. I feel it's down to skill since I can slot shield skills too.

That said, I don't do non-cp. So I can't really talk about that. Perhaps non-CP pvp needs a different kind of battle spirit so they can be 'balanced' differently?

I honestly don't see how shield stacking is such a problem. Sure if the sorc you're fighting knows what he's doing, then it'll be a hard fight, but they're hardly OP. Just need to pressure them enough to make a mistake, or line up a strong enough burst combo with a stun when their shield is about to expire.

Besides, shields aren't exactly cheap to cast, so spamming shields is going eat up resources fast. Each cast takes a gcd, so its not like they'd have a huge shield instantly. They have a short timer, and can be crit against. If all that's still not enough, well, oblivion dmg ignores shields.

No, if anything's a problem, it would be the unkillable, perma-blocking heal-tanks, imo.

You know it costs like 8k magicka after passives to stack with 2 shields on a sorc right? Not exactly a spammable defense...

Major_Lag wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

You know it costs like 8k magicka after passives to stack with 2 shields on a sorc right? Not exactly a spammable defense...

^ this ^

Also if you can't kill someone who does nothing but repeatedly spam 2 shields in your face, then you probably have much bigger problems to worry about in any case.

Ikr, now imagine way back when the shield-stacking meta was 3 shields instead of just 2. One of which was huge and hard to crack, another gave magicka returns, and the last healed any dmg done. Good times, good times.

Ruder wrote: »

Ok so you obviously have no clue how OP the sorcs are in NO CP / battlegrounds

* Shields are critable argument - IN CP crit chance is 9% lower and crit damage is way lower
* It is l2p issue - it is not, i`m top tier PvPer, i do only PvP for the past 4 years.
* You can't sustain shield spamming - you obviously live in another universe since you don't know what Engine Guardian and Dark convert are.
* Run the sorc out of stamina - You cannot run make a top tier Sorc player to run out of stamina, I use root poisons and CC almost on CD, the good sorc will have at least 800 stam recovery and will use Tri-pots.


Note that these are pinpoints which are related to HIGH MMR BATTLEGROUNDs, not Zergodiil or anywhere else

Ok, so we're not talking about the average, run of the mill, shield stacking sorc; but, instead, a top tier, shield focused/optimized sorc that knows the class, and how to use it, inside and out. Really?

• Firstly, yes shields can be crit, and yes it does indeed matter. The fact that they can now be crit is the reason shield-stacking sorcs now slot impen gear.
• Secondly, is it a l2p issue? I don't know, and I don't care. What matters is if you can't kill a shield-stacking sorc then that's on you.
• Thirdly, even with engine guardian and dark conversion, you won't be able to sustain shield spamming, since they're not cheap to cast. A reason why we sorcs often build for max mag and sustain.
• Fourthly, yes sorcs do run out of stamina. A that sorc knows what they're doing and to not panic will know to waste stamina sprinting and roll-dodging unless it's necessary. Afterall, we need that stamina to cc break. If you can't drain their stam, or line-up your combo when they're stunned then that's on you.

Shield stacking just isn't viable. Especially im no cp.

Shields are expensive.

Shields are weak. In no cp you are lucky to have an 8k shield without completely gutting your stamina because health and magicka are lower in no cp.

Shields take crit damage. It doesn't really matter if it is lower in no cp because shields are smaller and hard to sustain there anyways.

Shield stacking doesn't happen with a player who is actually doing damage.

A shield goes down in one hit with a a skill and a light attack. If you are putting pressure on a player, the only thing they can do if they are shield stacking is continuously apply shields. And good luck stacking with dark exchange. You have to go through the cast time and if a player can't burn your shields and interrupt in that time they don't deserve to kill the sorc.

And, shield stacking just isn't needed. Players are better off spamming one shield over and over. Since shields die so quickly and all you are going to be doing if you shield stack is spamming shields until you run out of magicka. You can just repeatedly spam 1 shield and do the exact same thing with the exact same effectiveness since an attacking player is just going to burn your shield down the moment you put it up.

My magblade never using shields if I can help it I much prefer healing.

Shields are extremely expensive to keep casting, they cant crit, but can be crit upon. And like others have said, you can precast a shield to avoid some dmg, but if you fall low on hp into execute range, your shield wont help you. Heals are better then shields imo, but some classes are still dependent on a shield for survival.

Ruder wrote: »

If the battlespirit changes go live (Healing reduced from 50% to 60%) this will force a huge light armor shield stacking meta, because people will feel more safe behind the untouched shields.
Please address this issue in one of the following ways

a) Make it to not be possible to slot more than 1 shield skill on your bars.

b) Make shield stacking with diminishing returns like: each consequential shield has its strength reduced by 30%

c) Self casting a shield will just replace your old shield with the new one (like it works if you spam the same shield over and over again)

d) reduce the shield size trough battle spirit by 60% up from the current 50% (same treatment as healing)

Surely this is a necro?

We can't be slamming shield stacking in 2020 surely.

Look what the last complaining got the anti ward camps. They wanted resistances hey wanted wards to crit. So now sorcs are less glass cannon as they had to drop stuff for Impen and Resistances. So actually wards down they are HARDER to kill.

Don't push for something because you can't adapt your offense. Work around the wards don't just batter your head against them.