Outfit slots account wide: will happen?!

tuxon · April 2020

I believe I speak on the behalf of the whole community because as I remember this topic was raised and not once, so this thread will be closed sooner or later.

But I want and will rise this question again: when we will see account wide outfit slots?

We all understand that you need do generate revenue and maximise profits, however, we all agree that this is already too much and in general makes no sense.
We can understand mount stats, skyshards, even (maybe) skill lines in Crownstore but outfit slots must be account wide. You're just losing buyers and money as a lot of people would have already bought 5+ outfit slots if they were account wide! But now they're just collecting dust because most of players just bought +1 additional max!
Such a brilliant and fun concept as Outfit System should not be darkened by this option.
Can we have at least some short response with explanations and confirmation of this feature to be added/rejected in the future patches/updates?
Best wishes.

Taunky · April 2020

I would rather have account-wide Riding Skill.

Sylvermynx · April 2020

Uh sorry. You don't speak for me - I don't need more outfit slots. I find a look that works for each of my characters (all 51 of them - and very few in the same motif or costume) and the only time I change it is if something about the character changes enough that the look needs to change too.

If I choose to RP at "home", I have a few costumes that can be considered "at home casual" and my characters change into those until time to go back out into the world to quest or kill bad guys.

I do have about five characters across both accounts, both PC megaservers who need something that's not a close dupe of someone else's look - but I'm sure I'll find what they need eventually, with new motif styles and costumes arriving frequently. And I still won't need more than one outfit slot for anyone.

idk · April 2020

Probably not anytime soon. It is problematic since some players have already purchased outfit slots. Maybe Zos can offer it in the future for 5 or 10 times the cost of one slot on one character. That seems to be a fair range so to not upset those who already paid for some slots.

Elsonso · April 2020

Two words to describe what has to happen first: Hell. Frozen.

I am surprised that they allowed us as much freedom as they have with this system. This competes against the Crown Store costumes. It effectively replaces them with a much better system, even with the punitive cost of the extra slots. I don't know how eCommerce allowed this to go live with nothing more than an outrageous slot cost. Someone must know where the skeletons are buried.

Given this thread, https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/394951/1500-crowns-per-outfit-slot-1-slot-just-under-1200-for-every-slot ,I don't expect them to reverse the decision, or even talk about it.

tuxon · April 2020

Elsonso wrote: »

This competes against the Crown Store costumes. It effectively replaces them with a much better system, even with the punitive cost of the extra slots. I don't know how eCommerce allowed this to go live with nothing more than an outrageous slot cost. Someone must know where the skeletons are buried.

Big Brain man, Big Brain !

AlienatedGoat · April 2020

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Uh sorry. You don't speak for me - I don't need more outfit slots. I find a look that works for each of my characters (all 51 of them - and very few in the same motif or costume) and the only time I change it is if something about the character changes enough that the look needs to change too.

Same. I craft a single look for each character and stick with it. If I make changes, it's just minor tweaks like colors.

Don't understand the need for more than one outfit slot myself. If I want to completely change the look, why would I want to save it?

Sylvermynx · April 2020

AlienatedGoat wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Uh sorry. You don't speak for me - I don't need more outfit slots. I find a look that works for each of my characters (all 51 of them - and very few in the same motif or costume) and the only time I change it is if something about the character changes enough that the look needs to change too.

Same. I craft a single look for each character and stick with it. If I make changes, it's just minor tweaks like colors.

Don't understand the need for more than one outfit slot myself. If I want to completely change the look, why would I want to save it?

Exactly!

Nanfoodle · April 2020

I will be honest I did buy one slot, when I realized it was for one char, I decided to never buy one again.1500 crowns is,as much as a DLC. Cost way less or make it account wide pls.

Tandor · April 2020

tuxon wrote: »

Dear @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom,

I believe I speak on the behalf of the whole community.

No you don't, you speak for yourself. I've no idea what the rest was about, I always stop reading when someone claims to speak for me.

peacenote · April 2020

Sylvermynx wrote: »

AlienatedGoat wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Uh sorry. You don't speak for me - I don't need more outfit slots. I find a look that works for each of my characters (all 51 of them - and very few in the same motif or costume) and the only time I change it is if something about the character changes enough that the look needs to change too.

Same. I craft a single look for each character and stick with it. If I make changes, it's just minor tweaks like colors.

Don't understand the need for more than one outfit slot myself. If I want to completely change the look, why would I want to save it?

Exactly!

While I also typically only have one "look" at a time for my characters, there isn't really any way to save settings like a template so personally I would buy one or two slots if they were account-wide. I find I'm hesitant to change my outfit if I like it because once I save it, I may not like the adjustments in different lighting and then I won't remember how to go back.

Because it's so expensive for slots, I just leverage costumes more but I would get better use out of the outfit system if it was more affordable.

A nice compromise might be giving a few additional slots along with a DLC or Chapter without making them account-wide altogether. It would not negatively impact people who wouldn't use them but would be nice for people who might.

Some people in this game have an amazing knack for creating characters, creating outfits, designing homes, etc. but that just isn't me. I'd like some safety nets for when I mess things up. I have this same issue with the character creation screen. I start tweaking and then realize I liked it better before I started changing things but I can never go back and make it look the same. I wish we could clone, adjust, and compare.

Sylvermynx · April 2020

Eh, I just screenshot stuff if I think I won't remember, and add notes to my characters spreadsheet with names of gear pieces etc.

Wishingstaff · April 2020

Yes, one speaks for oneself only. Please do not claim to speak for me.
I have bought outfit slots for my main, would do so again if needed. I enjoy the fact that it is available at all.

Tigerseye · April 2020

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Uh sorry. You don't speak for me - I don't need more outfit slots. I find a look that works for each of my characters (all 51 of them - and very few in the same motif or costume) and the only time I change it is if something about the character changes enough that the look needs to change too.

If I choose to RP at "home", I have a few costumes that can be considered "at home casual" and my characters change into those until time to go back out into the world to quest or kill bad guys.

I do have about five characters across both accounts, both PC megaservers who need something that's not a close dupe of someone else's look - but I'm sure I'll find what they need eventually, with new motif styles and costumes arriving frequently. And I still won't need more than one outfit slot for anyone.

Yeah, but wouldn't you still think it was better if people, who do want them, could buy outfit slots across all characters (for a reasonable price)?

I get that you don't need extra slots, at all, but surely an account-wide feature would be better for most people?

I say this as someone who only really ever plays her main!

...and one of the reasons I only really play my main, in this game, is because I can't contemplate the amount of money I might end up spending if I didn't.

Wandering_Immigrant · April 2020

I would def buy at least a couple, mostly likely I would eventually have a few if they were account wide. As is though I would never buy any. I have 15 characters and, well, I'm certainly not buying 15 of them, so there's no reason for me to even acknowledge that extra outfit slots exist.

Sylvermynx · April 2020

Tigerseye wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Uh sorry. You don't speak for me - I don't need more outfit slots. I find a look that works for each of my characters (all 51 of them - and very few in the same motif or costume) and the only time I change it is if something about the character changes enough that the look needs to change too.

If I choose to RP at "home", I have a few costumes that can be considered "at home casual" and my characters change into those until time to go back out into the world to quest or kill bad guys.

I do have about five characters across both accounts, both PC megaservers who need something that's not a close dupe of someone else's look - but I'm sure I'll find what they need eventually, with new motif styles and costumes arriving frequently. And I still won't need more than one outfit slot for anyone.

Yeah, but wouldn't you still think it was better if people, who do want them, could buy outfit slots across all characters (for a reasonable price)?

I get that you don't need extra slots, at all, but surely an account-wide feature would be better for most people?

I say this as someone who only really ever plays her main!

...and one of the reasons I only really play my main, in this game, is because I can't contemplate the amount of money I might end up spending if I didn't.

Well, my post was more because I was offended at someone I don't know presuming to "speak for me". Actually, I don't care if they choose to provide account wide slots - unless something else goes begging because the devs chose to go there instead of somewhere else.

And I kind of don't think this particular thing would be "better for most people". I haven't noticed an overwhelming interest in this request since I've been here (starting June of 2018). Now it's possible I simply never noticed such an overwhelming interest.... but I HAVE noticed an incredible amount of interest in performance improvements....

AcadianPaladin · April 2020

LIke OP, I love the flexibility provided by the outfit system. I would love to create alternate outfits - but only if I can share them among my characters. I would readily buy several outfit slots were they account wide. Since they currently remain tied to only one character, however, I have never bought one and have no plans to.

For those who agree with OP, account wide outfits seems like a win-win as I expect it would actually increase outfit slot sales.

For those who do not share our enthusiasm for multiple outfits, account-wide outfit slots would cause you no harm.

heaven13 · April 2020

peacenote wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

AlienatedGoat wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Uh sorry. You don't speak for me - I don't need more outfit slots. I find a look that works for each of my characters (all 51 of them - and very few in the same motif or costume) and the only time I change it is if something about the character changes enough that the look needs to change too.

Same. I craft a single look for each character and stick with it. If I make changes, it's just minor tweaks like colors.

Don't understand the need for more than one outfit slot myself. If I want to completely change the look, why would I want to save it?

Exactly!

While I also typically only have one "look" at a time for my characters, there isn't really any way to save settings like a template so personally I would buy one or two slots if they were account-wide. I find I'm hesitant to change my outfit if I like it because once I save it, I may not like the adjustments in different lighting and then I won't remember how to go back.

Because it's so expensive for slots, I just leverage costumes more but I would get better use out of the outfit system if it was more affordable.

A nice compromise might be giving a few additional slots along with a DLC or Chapter without making them account-wide altogether. It would not negatively impact people who wouldn't use them but would be nice for people who might.

Some people in this game have an amazing knack for creating characters, creating outfits, designing homes, etc. but that just isn't me. I'd like some safety nets for when I mess things up. I have this same issue with the character creation screen. I start tweaking and then realize I liked it better before I started changing things but I can never go back and make it look the same. I wish we could clone, adjust, and compare.

This is actually why I do all my character designs on the PTS. I know not everyone has access to it, but it's what works for me. I develop, creat, and then tweak with the 1 crown appearance change tokens until I'm happy. Then I take screenshots of all the sliders and recreate on live. For some, I take screenshots in between (or create a second twin with tweaks) in case I am on the fence about something more substantial.

Nestor · April 2020

I tend to wear clothing and that does not require an Outfit Slot, i just change it in the collections menu. I have ESO Plus so i can dye as needed.

The only time i use Outfits is to choose something like Honor Guard or Taesci for the Shoulders (light in both motifs are basically arm bands, yay!)

MaxJrFTW · April 2020

No. I like having different outfits with all my characters, and i sure as hell won't buy more outfit slots given how absurdly overpriced they are.

Dusk_Coven · April 2020

Suppose they do make it account wide. What would be a fair way to handle people who bought slots on multiple characters?

newtinmpls · April 2020

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Uh sorry. You don't speak for me - I don't need more outfit slots. I find a look that works for each of my characters (all 51 of them - and very few in the same motif or costume) and the only time I change it is if something about the character changes enough that the look needs to change too..

Wow....and I thought my three accounts with .... 16+11+1 was a lot.

Well done!!

TBH, if outfit slots were account wide, I would probably buy them; as it is, I have not done so and don't plan to.

Sylvermynx · April 2020

newtinmpls wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Uh sorry. You don't speak for me - I don't need more outfit slots. I find a look that works for each of my characters (all 51 of them - and very few in the same motif or costume) and the only time I change it is if something about the character changes enough that the look needs to change too..

Wow....and I thought my three accounts with .... 16+11+1 was a lot.

Well done!!

TBH, if outfit slots were account wide, I would probably buy them; as it is, I have not done so and don't plan to.

Heh, thanks. I'm an altoholic. Always have been, always will be. There's inevitably another alt that shows up in my head, saying "Here I am.... Make me! Play me!" And they all have their back stories, and their expectations....

Not such an issue in SPMR games. But in MMOs.... yeah. It does cost money. But.... I can't NOT go there.

Nerouyn · April 2020

tuxon wrote: »

We all understand that you need do generate revenue and maximise profits, however, we all agree that this is already too much and in general makes no sense.

But they got this so horribly wrong.

ESO is dwarfed by the single player games when it comes to sales and current players.

One of the few respects in which ESO is better than the single player games is the range and customisability of attire.

But the cost is so insane that ESO is known as that game where it costs $2430 to unlock all costume slots.

It will be driving potential players away and losing them sales.

Tigerseye · April 2020

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Uh sorry. You don't speak for me - I don't need more outfit slots. I find a look that works for each of my characters (all 51 of them - and very few in the same motif or costume) and the only time I change it is if something about the character changes enough that the look needs to change too.

If I choose to RP at "home", I have a few costumes that can be considered "at home casual" and my characters change into those until time to go back out into the world to quest or kill bad guys.

I do have about five characters across both accounts, both PC megaservers who need something that's not a close dupe of someone else's look - but I'm sure I'll find what they need eventually, with new motif styles and costumes arriving frequently. And I still won't need more than one outfit slot for anyone.

Yeah, but wouldn't you still think it was better if people, who do want them, could buy outfit slots across all characters (for a reasonable price)?

I get that you don't need extra slots, at all, but surely an account-wide feature would be better for most people?

I say this as someone who only really ever plays her main!

...and one of the reasons I only really play my main, in this game, is because I can't contemplate the amount of money I might end up spending if I didn't.

Well, my post was more because I was offended at someone I don't know presuming to "speak for me". Actually, I don't care if they choose to provide account wide slots - unless something else goes begging because the devs chose to go there instead of somewhere else.

And I kind of don't think this particular thing would be "better for most people". I haven't noticed an overwhelming interest in this request since I've been here (starting June of 2018). Now it's possible I simply never noticed such an overwhelming interest.... but I HAVE noticed an incredible amount of interest in performance improvements....

Oh, I see.

Yeah, it is (invariably) slightly presumptuous to say you speak "on the behalf of the whole community", of course.

Although, I did see quite a lot of posts, when outfit slots were first released, saying they thought they were overpriced for one char and that they should cost that amount for all chars on an account.

I also saw posts that said they had thought they were paying for a slot for all chars and were horrified to then find they had paid that much for one slot, for just one char.

So, I think that the OP would probably be correct in saying they speak for most players; just, inevitably, not all.

Drako_Ei · April 2020

I purchased one when they came out and felt scammed when I realize it was for only 1 caracter

Tigerseye · April 2020

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

Suppose they do make it account wide. What would be a fair way to handle people who bought slots on multiple characters?

Maybe give them their Crowns back, for anything over and above the max number of slots (is that 10, or 12?)?

I can't imagine many people will have maxed out their outfit slots on multiple chars, at the current prices, though.

Dusk_Coven · April 2020

Tigerseye wrote: »

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

Suppose they do make it account wide. What would be a fair way to handle people who bought slots on multiple characters?

Maybe give them their Crowns back, for anything over and above the max number of slots (is that 10, or 12?)?

I can't imagine many people will have maxed out their outfit slots on multiple chars, at the current prices, though.

If the conversion is to server wide (remember ZOS's "account wide" is basically "server wide"), then across all toons they'd just need to have a total number of extra outfit slots equal to the new account-wide limit.
But yeah, even then... considering the cost is prohibitive enough as it is, probably only a few people would need to be handled.

Interesting situation if they bought some during a discount.

TheShadowScout · April 2020

tuxon wrote: »

Outfit slots account wide: will happen?!

Nope. Not likely.
Its way too much of a can of worms to make something account wide that people DID pay for. Yes, there are people who bought outfit slots for multiple characters already...
...and yes, IF the slots were account-wide at this price, I reckon more people would buy them, and more gold would be sunk into making more outfits... but at this point, just as many who already bought some for their alts would be vexed and whining about "wasting" the crowns, so there is that.

I mean, sure, I would love to see outfit slots be completely rethought. Make all the 1500-crown bought slots account wide, and sell further character-specific slots at, say, 250 crowns apiece... at those prices, people would but then easily, and make more outfits to switch around...

What I would want a LOT more is an upgrade to the outfit system that allows to use more options...

like the options to use hairstyles, adornments and such in outfits. So you can make your characters "enchantress" outfit with long flowing hair and makeup, but the same characters "war witch" outfit with for example braided hair and warpaint...
like the option to use -hats- with outfits, since it would really be neat if those did not have to be added by hand when one wants to use them either.
like the option of adding all the stolen and laundered "civilian clothing" to the outfit system; much like the "prisoner outfit", with a chance to lean through deconstruction, making those more valuable for sale for our entirprising burglars...
like possibly even considering re-releasing some visuals used for costumes in "outfit", like the nedic armor, or the dark seducer costume, or some more parts from character-specific costumes... perhaps even some not yet found as costume at all (Almalexia, Ayrenn, Vivec, Sothra Sil) - either crown store, o even better, refit at least some of them to completion of older questings, much like those nifty "quest for outfit pieces" rewards we had from Elsweyr onward...

Elsonso wrote: »

Two words to describe what has to happen first: Hell. Frozen.

Nerouyn · April 2020

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Nope. Not likely.
Its way too much of a can of worms to make something account wide that people DID pay for.

Absurd.

If people paid for them on multiple characters, either refund them or increase the total of account wide slots available.

Tigerseye · April 2020

Elsonso wrote: »

Two words to describe what has to happen first: Hell. Frozen.

I am surprised that they allowed us as much freedom as they have with this system. This competes against the Crown Store costumes. It effectively replaces them with a much better system, even with the punitive cost of the extra slots. I don't know how eCommerce allowed this to go live with nothing more than an outrageous slot cost. Someone must know where the skeletons are buried.

Given this thread, https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/394951/1500-crowns-per-outfit-slot-1-slot-just-under-1200-for-every-slot ,I don't expect them to reverse the decision, or even talk about it.

It doesn't, though.

Or doesn't for me, anyway.

I will still end up wearing a costume, most of the time, as most of the armour is pretty hideous and/or has too many flaps and stuff and/or looks badly fitting and unflattering on my char.

Not to say the costumes are perfect, either, but they're cheap to buy, free to apply (and dye) and are normally better looking than at least 95% of the armour.