tmbrinks wrote: »

January1171 wrote: »

I just want to be able to see all at once my total achievement progress across all characters.

They could keep achievements character specific, but add a toggle in the journal that lets you see what you have across characters. Maybe add how many characters you have it on, etc.

There's an add-on, if you're on PC, that gives you your total across all characters, drop down menus, etc... awesome for achievement point seekers. Kyoma's Global Achievements.



This is what it looks like. (Paired with Votan's Achievement Overview)

Thanks.
This is perfect. Just what's needed.
Achievement should be per character, but with a way to show the full account.

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Personally I draw the line at -achievements-...

...since I myself don't really care about the titles, and for all I care those could be account-wide just like the cosmetics, tho I can understand that some people who like to show off their hard-earned titles may think a bit differently... and I can accept that, because when I want some title for one of my alts, I bloody well will do the thing again. Yes, I did that, twice so far, and have no qualms about doing it again if some title appears that catches my fancy. But I don't really care about the titles any more then how I use them as RP-support...

I think the middle ground community (not end-game, nor RP'ers) is likely the main community that doesn't care, or want titles to be account-wide. I would say a majority of the RP'er community that have titles that perfectly fit the lore and personality of the character they created would want it to be on that character. Likewise with End-Game Raiders, when they get their Trifecta's, trust me when I say they love to flex their titles, especially in places like Craglorn and Deshaan. While it's a bit of an ego issue, I can tell you that most End-Game Raiders who are on their alts don't like when rando's with little XP tries to tell them how to play, especially in a rough situation where the End-Game Raider is actually just there for fun and trying to help. A generic conversation like this happens:

"This and that method are viable, but this method is the right way to do it because these are how the mechanics work"
"That's a stupid idea and we shouldn't do that"
"Trust me, I've done this a thousand times and have the trifeca"
"Oh yeah, where's the achievement?"
"I don't have it on this toon yet, it's on my main"
"lol, of course you'd make an excuse up like that. That just means you don't actually have it, don't trust this guy/kick em"

Something like that. I've actually been with a group of pugs before helping with a vSO HM and this one healer was 110% adamant that if we didn't kill the totems that spawned on last boss, we'd all wipe, and that we absolutely had to focus each totem that came up, no questions asked. My brain inflated like a balloon when I heard that because anyone whose done vSO knows you never touch the totems. After wiping a few times more, I explained some things and they tried to flex their HM clear achievement on me. I can't exactly flex my 168k score, but I told them they just had to trust me. I've been in a lot of situations like that, and I'm sure other raiders that just pug for fun to help others have been there too.

Anyways, I can see an issue where something like Skyshards are account-wide. I don't think something like Skyshards should be account-wide because that's a physical item in the game that directly effects gameplay. Titles don't though. However, End-Game Raiders (while they might not generate as much revenue as the more casual community, they might generate more publicity via streams) who boost a character to lvl 50 real quick to fully optimize their group to achieve the hardest content in the game and make world records, they find it extremely tedious to collect skill points from skyshards all over again. In other words, it's inconvenient. That's why I'm okay with ZOS charging money for Skyshards, because everyone in life pays extra money for something that solves the inconvenience issue. Why is a 20 oz bottle of soda more expensive than a 2 liter bottle of soda if it has less soda? Because it's convenient to carry around. Why are some laptops more expensive then big desktops, even if their specs are much worse? Because it's convenient to carry around. So on and so forth. Now obviously some things are more expensive because of things like brand, technology, supply and demand, etc., but in general, people pay for convenience, and Skyshards are one of those things that's very inconvenient for End-Game Raiders to constantly collect.

Ultimately though, titles have no effect on gameplay, and IMO, they're cosmetics just like skins/outfits are that players can flash around, so to not have them be account-wide but make other rewards account-wide, simply makes no sense.

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Not arbitrary.
Quite clearly defined - I do NOT want to see any sort of account wide achievements, because I like those to actually show what I did already do on this or that character, and where this or that character still hasn't gone. Quite literally in many cases (like skyshards, or exploration ahievements)

And as I said, I myself wouldn't mind at all if any effects and other stuff unlocked by those achievements would be account wide... and as mentioned, the only thing left there that is still character specific are the titles.

But once again, yes, I can also see how some people actually want those to be their last epeen bastion to show off what they actually did with this or that character, and let's be honest, most of the "showoff" titles are somewhat dependent on the build behind them in how easy they are to get, so... there is that.

If we hypothetically say ESO removed achievements, the company would need to ask themselves if players are still able to track their progress just as effectively. In this example, we'll use Skyshards, Delves, Dolmens, etc., as they're the ones you mentioned/implied.

Take a look at this photo:



The answer to that question is yes, players would still effectively be able to track all progress, even if achievements didn't exist. The number of Skyshards, Delves, Dolmens, Anchors, Public Dungeons, Mundus Stones, etc., are all there to left center of screen, and tells you how many you've found. Icons highlighted White on your map when you press M are considered discovered, while icons highlighted Black on your map are considered undiscovered. To say you need achievements to track progress simply isn't true.

As far as your comment about more "showoff" achievements being dependent on build is true to a degree, but a very specific degree, and that's based on the individuals trying to get them. Certain End-Game Raiders have reached a point where they are so skilled, know the content so well, and know the nitty-gritty of ESO combat so well that they can adapt to new classes, and can achieve those on multiple characters. That's why console transfers can achieve Trifecta's on a mere CP 400 or 500. A person in my 4 man group has Unchained on every single one of his toons. Certain people I know have IR on almost all their toons, as well as GH. Very few people I know have Godslayer on multiple toons. Build is important, but nothing is more important than rotation and straight up player knowledge/skill (which is why those LA/HA changes that didn't go through wouldn't have solved ZOS' goals because ultimately, even if casual players did pull slightly higher numbers, that doesn't mean they'll have the skill and knowledge of mechanics to complete the hard content). But something important to note is certain achievements have certain difficulty for certain reasons. Achievements like Trifecta's are difficult due to the skill and coordination they require from all 12 group members. Achievements like Master Angler is difficult due to the incredible RNG and time needed to get them, and Achievements like Emperor are difficult to get due to how much time you have to spend in order to boost/farm to get their, and the competition you have with other players while trying to get them. Each has their own difficulty for their own reasons, but I wouldn't create exemptions for certain achievements. All are shared, or none are.

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Only speaking from experience here.
Because I have commented on NUMEROUS threads asking for account wide skyshards or guild progression, or riding training, or crafting motivs, whining about how time-consuming it is to do/collect all those by hand, citing the very same lame "but I the player did it so I should get it for free on every alt" attempt at rule-lawyering... and eventually, ZOS listened... and gave them something along those lines... for a price.
And I laughed, and laughed... and yeah, that is that.

And so... once again... I say, why should ZOS bother put in the effort to change their game to give account wide achievements for nothing? What's in for them?
That people have reason to play less ESO because they get more stuff acocunt wide, because they no longer have to worry about chasing this or that title or whatever on their alts?
...how does that benefit ZOS?
That people loose interest in ESO when they "completed" the achievement hunt and move on to the next new game?
...how does that benefit ZOS?
That some people might rejoice at getting this, and many, many other people (both the roleplayers who want everything character specific, and the gloryhounds who want the titles only for those who done the things) will be vexed at the change?
...how does that benefit ZOS?

The only way this can benefit ZOS is if they make it a "convenience item" in the crown store, JUST like skyshards. IF they think someone whould feel vexed enough to actually pay for mirroring achievements...
So. how about it.
What's it'd be worth you YOU? How many crowns would you spend on mirroring otherwise worthless achievements? How much would you pay to copy a title from your main?

I still think it unlikely to ever happen, since the achievements don't really do much that isn't account wide already (except titles, but... see above...), so I doubt there would be enough people willing to pay for this for ZOS to ever consider it.

Like I also said, the one thing I do consider likely would be the "Account Overview" idea. One account achievement page at the character selection screen, which shows what which character done when. And maybe comes with some rewards for multiple achievement completions, since there are some people who DID put in the extra time for that.
Could be a good place to give out stuff, perhaps things that have been rewards for older events, (like, costume pieces as outfit rewards - there are quite a few that could go for this, from dark seducer to mannimarco, golden saint or nedic armor, almalexia or other notable NPCs with unique visuals, etc.) and maybe even some crown store stuff... knowing well enough that many will not spend the time and just buy it instead.

I agree that something like Skyshards should cost money. Hell, I agree that something like mount stats should cost money too, because even as trivial as it is, it's still something that has a direct impact on gameplay, just like Skyshards. Having said that, titles and achievements have no impact on gameplay. They're a Quality-of-Life aspect of the game. Achievements are to give purpose and fulfillment, and a sense of accomplishment. Goals for players to achieve to increase longevity of gameplay with sometimes interesting and sometimes trivial/annoying tasks. Titles, skins, etc., they're frosting on the cake is all. So why a glamorous piece of armor with red rubies and a crown on it is okay with people, but a few characters of text added to someones name isn't, is beyond me. I don't see the logic in that. So no, I disagree that titles and achievements should be character bound instead of account bound. They have no direct impact on gameplay, they're purely cosmetic. ZOS has done numerous Quality-of-Life updates over the years for free, and while they did indeed find a way to monetize on some of them, this would be one of them that I think should, and would be free. I wouldn't pay a cent if ZOS made it cost money, because that would be almost as bad as loot crates. Unless you sync a character and it permanently updates with that character, you'd have to constantly buy that token, or whatever it may be, over and over, to continue to update the differences in achievements. That's horrible.

I also believe that while some people say shared achievements would cause less replay value, I believe the opposite to be true. Though, I guess it depends on what type of player you are (RP, Casual, or Hardcore). From my experiences and the people I play with (usually a blend, but very few RP), achievements can eventually become inconvenient in some ways because most people won't help groups if it's not on their main, because if there's a chance to get credit for something that's extremely rare/difficult, they want to take that rare opportunity they may not get again to get it on their main, not a fill character they hardly jump on. However, if the credit is shared, it doesn't matter, and they're more likely to help all groups because they know it doesn't matter what character or role they play, they'll get credit for it.

I think the day ZOS made skyshards purchasable QoL features like account wide achievements simply aren't done yet because they haven't figured out how to monetize them. Skyshards weirdly affect a character's power which you would think would be the last thing you'd sell but here we are. I get why some might not want account wide achievements.

In WOW lots achievements are account wide and a lot aren't. Those that are you can still track because while the achievement itself is golden so it appears completed but when you open it (or don't see a green check mark if its a single requirement) it shows what this current character has completed. So those that don't really care about the details can look at achievements and feel complete. It still compels me to complete achievements on characters that haven't done them. Not every single thing but its just part of my play. And its not every achievement. Blizzard rightly so figured out some of these things are character based and some are player based.

If this was in ESO I guess the achievements would be white in number and dated but incomplete in detail. That's not exactly what I personally want. My main concern isn't completion as much as its individual things that count to them. If I nab an elusive fish (which is me doing this) then I want it to account for all my characters. If a motif is learnable, I want it to count for the completion of that whole book and not worry I should bank this for my crafter character. That's me doing this unless we have some weird lore that all people in this world understand how to sew/assemble items of armor and weapons while lacking the skill to create it.

Account wide achievements solve that problem for me. I'm not so interested in just because this guy went over that mountain now all these under guys know what its like on the other side. I have no issue if others want that because regardless I'd probably still have all the rest go. They just wouldn't bother fishing there. I think that's the point for me, these individual things should be discounted because you aren't playing the "right" toon. Just going to what's a character based achievement and what's a player based achievement. That's the things I want and expect quite frankly. And that really solidified that this game dips it toes into selling power for real world cash. Because now it just feels like there's no push to do account wide achievements simply because they haven't figured out how to squeeze more money from us.

If skyshards were so important to character building then they should have just done it as a baseline feature. One of the biggest reasons I feel okay in being so critical at times about this game is there's feeling that they don't do anything without being paid for it. They are trying to make money. They just spend so much less time building good will. I know personally I used to check out the Crown Store every time I played. Over time (especially after the crates were introduced) things started changing. Items of types increased in price. And lately they have decreased in their appearance like why would anyone bother wearing that or riding that on their character. There's no point now in seeing what's in the Crown Store nowadays because its just ugly (in some cases) and expensive. They have just started feeling like a company that is gimme gimme all the time without doing anything for it. Chapters, to me, are even feeling lighter in content and I already thought they were extremely light for their price. So I'm in no way surprised we don't have account wide achievements because they are working to figure out the money issue. Which some of us would not pay but I'm sure enough would. It does make me wonder what do they thing of as gestures of good will? Last one I remember was the giveaway of the Sommerset house and stuff but I am slowly growing more apathetic.