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If you ban - do it right. Ban the forum account, too.
xxs0cksxx
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I would like to suggest that if you ban an ingame-account you should also ban the linked forum account.
Yes - there MIGHT - be people that were banned wrongfully. But I am sure these bans will be lifted with an appropriate apology - maybe even with a reward (at least the game-time should be refunded, naturally).
These people can appeal their ban through the support and if that does not suit someone there is still a legal option left.
Everyone else is just as guilty as most of the prison inmates. They should not be allowed to rant in here and slander on a game that can still (despite the obvious BIG, HUGE, MASSIVE flaws) be a great game if those cheating idiots would not succeed in actually spilling their hateful speech all over the place.
And if YOU (yes, you) are one of those ranters, that are guilty but pulling off a number in the forum, and you want to tell me that this is "freedom of speech" then I hope a tree punches your head hard during the next summer-storm.
Edited by xxs0cksxx on April 18, 2014 11:40PM Yes - there MIGHT - be people that were banned wrongfully. But I am sure these bans will be lifted with an appropriate apology - maybe even with a reward (at least the game-time should be refunded, naturally).
These people can appeal their ban through the support and if that does not suit someone there is still a legal option left.
Everyone else is just as guilty as most of the prison inmates. They should not be allowed to rant in here and slander on a game that can still (despite the obvious BIG, HUGE, MASSIVE flaws) be a great game if those cheating idiots would not succeed in actually spilling their hateful speech all over the place.
And if YOU (yes, you) are one of those ranters, that are guilty but pulling off a number in the forum, and you want to tell me that this is "freedom of speech" then I hope a tree punches your head hard during the next summer-storm.
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Vodkaphile✭✭✭They really need to do this. There's a reason Blizzard can ban 100,000 accounts and you dont hear a whisper of it.3 -
I guess we should just throw the entire human population in prison and have them appeal their innocence just so we can stop criminal activity in society?4
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xxs0cksxx✭✭l-wilson-1986b16_ESO wrote: »I guess we should just throw the entire human population in prison and have them appeal their innocence just so we can stop criminal activity in society?
That's not the point here.
The bans happened after a process of evaluation. This process is appropriate for an online game. So yes - it is the right way to ban if there is suspicious activity.3 -
Lisyonok✭✭They've started it. A lot of the people ARE now banned from forums.
But don't worry, those of us who aren't banned in game but know innocent people who were banned will keep bitching for them.
I don't play this game unless with my gf. This is our little hobby together.
So, what, will they ban me for sticking up for her? Well, that'll make the decision real easy on whether to wait it out or find a new game now.5 -
EndocetSoul ShrivenI'm actually enjoying listening to people make excuses while seemingly unaware that ESO keeps logs of your actions.6
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✭✭Agree. Then the ones who really are innocent would feel less pressure to come in here and get dogged onto greater rage by the people who are pretending to be innocent (and exploiting their rage), and the rest of us wouldn't have to tell them to calm down and deal with it all quietly like a professional would.
It'd only be for a day or so and by then the rage would've passed.Edited by babylon on April 18, 2014 11:38PM2 -
xxs0cksxx✭✭They've started it. A lot of the people ARE now banned from forums.
But don't worry, those of us who aren't banned in game but know innocent people who were banned will keep bitching for them.
I don't play this game unless with my gf. This is our little hobby together.
So, what, will they ban me for sticking up for her? Well, that'll make the decision real easy on whether to wait it out or find a new game now.
I figure a relationship is more important then a video-game.
If your girlfriend is lying to you about the ban because of being ashamed, then it is not so good, though. That is not supposed to be an accusation.
But if girlfriends, friends, parents and children could never be guilty, then we would not need prisons.Edited by xxs0cksxx on April 18, 2014 11:39PM4 -
Vodkaphile✭✭✭I'm actually enjoying listening to people make excuses while seemingly unaware that ESO keeps logs of your actions.
This!
It is unbelievable that here in 2014 people dont understand the easiest bits about server technology. It's not like they banned on a whim, they have logs of EVERYTHING.
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xxs0cksxx✭✭Vodkaphile wrote: »I'm actually enjoying listening to people make excuses while seemingly unaware that ESO keeps logs of your actions.
This!
It is unbelievable that here in 2014 people dont understand the easiest bits about server technology. It's not like they banned on a whim, they have logs of EVERYTHING.
That is a very general view that will not stand further questioning. You are partly right and partly wrong.
But they can see a lot. That still does not mean there can not be mistakes.Edited by xxs0cksxx on April 18, 2014 11:42PM2 -
DJ_Pandatripp✭✭✭I'd agree with this. The forums are already filled with enough rage we don't need more.
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Lisyonok✭✭She's not lying to me about the ban. We play together. Sitting by each other.
I can see everything she does, and we were playing together when she randomly got kicked out of game.
I can tell you she's A) not in a guild with a guild bank. And B ) has 3k to her character's name.
edit: stupid smileysEdited by Lisyonok on April 18, 2014 11:43PM2 -
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✭Just remember for those defending cheaters. They were found guilty via review. Prison is always full of those who say they are innocent.1 -
They've started it. A lot of the people ARE now banned from forums.
But don't worry, those of us who aren't banned in game but know innocent people who were banned will keep bitching for them.
I don't play this game unless with my gf. This is our little hobby together.
So, what, will they ban me for sticking up for her? Well, that'll make the decision real easy on whether to wait it out or find a new game now.
If a player actually has friends and co-players to *** for them, cool! I'm all for that. That probably means that they are not a botter, and increases the chance that they are not an exploiter since a lot of exploiters tend to be solo money making players for gold sellers.
So ya, forum accounts should be banning along side with game account banning.
Edited by deheartb14_ESO on April 18, 2014 11:43PMThis is my Signature, but not really because I didn't sign it with a pen and its not my name.0 -
Etchesketch✭✭✭✭Lol.
Boyfriends never dupe and get gear behind the GF's back.
As far as OP, agreed. +1
It's absolutely pointless and even harmful to allow banned accounts to post on the forum. It's not good and just another annoying sign of how many rookie mistakes ZoS is making with the online thing.The number one rule of online gaming is now and has always been, Never play on Patch Day.1 -
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✭I want to be able to hear about the bad as well as the good. It would be nice though to have just one thread for all of the player ban complaints.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭People who were hit by the banking bug are now being banned for having duplicate items, items that were sent to them by a bug in the game.
So, no. No, no, and no. Those people have every right to come here and raise a stink about that.
The majority of bans are almost certainly legit. What you're seeing here is probably a minority that was illegitimately banned being very vocal. It's important for them to make their issue known to the Devs and to the player base."A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle2 -
xxs0cksxx✭✭She's not lying to me about the ban. We play together. Sitting by each other.
I can see everything she does, and we were playing together when she randomly got kicked out of game.
I can tell you she's A) not in a guild with a guild bank. And
has 3k to her character's name.
Then I hope you can get over the anger about the ban by doing something great together while the support lifts the ban 1 -
Evergreen✭✭✭Agree with OP. My faith is totally restored with how swiftly and seriously Zenimax handled this issue. I plan on subbing for years to come. I'm hoping no one working at Zenimax gets discouraged from the first few rough months because there is a massive population loving the game right now and there is so much potential moving forward.Edited by Evergreen on April 18, 2014 11:46PM3 -
Vodkaphile✭✭✭Vodkaphile wrote: »I'm actually enjoying listening to people make excuses while seemingly unaware that ESO keeps logs of your actions.
This!
It is unbelievable that here in 2014 people dont understand the easiest bits about server technology. It's not like they banned on a whim, they have logs of EVERYTHING.
That is a very general view that will not stand further questioning. You are partly right and partly wrong.
But they can see a lot. That still does not mean there can not be mistakes.
Of course there can be mistakes, because the logs have to be interpreted by a human that can make errors. But to not think it's being logged in the first place is insane.2 -
l-wilson-1986b16_ESO wrote: »I guess we should just throw the entire human population in prison and have them appeal their innocence just so we can stop criminal activity in society?
That's not the point here.
The bans happened after a process of evaluation. This process is appropriate for an online game. So yes - it is the right way to ban if there is suspicious activity.
You realise that there is exceptional evidence that alot of the banned individuals were affected by the bank bug right? Zenimax's bug sent them duplicate CE items, so basically it is very likely that their process of evaluation flagged players who they themselves compromised by sending them duplicate items (they are flagged as unique, players technically shouldn't have two of them).
If I knew, that there was no chance that someone I trust implicitly had been banned due to this bug, i'd slap him on the back and tell him it was just tough love. But when there has been overwhelming posts suggesting this is the case then I will not sit in the corner and accept it, because it's not right and I am sick of worrying about bans. First it was partners being banned for exchanging gold (unjustified and turned around after 2-5 days), now there's a chance people are being banned due to developer bugs?
I haven't been banned, my husband had. I didn't have the bank bug, he did. Given that I can see his computer screen at any time I have no reason to doubt his innocence. And i'm on the forums because his last 3 tickets due to his wiped bank were ignored.
If the masses are right and alot of these bans were wrong, then it has massive implications for both the companies credibility and customer trust. And the real kicker? We were both loving this game.
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Dudegeridoo✭✭I am agree, I am going to bed now thinking: "Today has been a good day"
Zenimax are making some huge mistakes, but I really don't see this mass ban one of them.
+1 to Zeni.Edited by Dudegeridoo on April 18, 2014 11:49PM4 -
Etchesketch✭✭✭✭The game devs of all other games do not give detailed reasons for bannings. They do this so that cheaters/exploiters have a hard time figuring out what they are doing to catch them.
All you can do is appeal and hope for the best. They won't tell you beyond the general idea of what you did. Those demanding proof just have no clue how these games operate and the lengths they go to, to try to keep the game healthy.
They don't discuss bans on forums. They shouldn't here either.Edited by Etchesketch on April 18, 2014 11:48PMThe number one rule of online gaming is now and has always been, Never play on Patch Day.2 -
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✭✭She's not lying to me about the ban. We play together. Sitting by each other.
I can see everything she does, and we were playing together when she randomly got kicked out of game.
I can tell you she's A) not in a guild with a guild bank. And has 3k to her character's name.
Then I hope you can get over the anger about the ban by doing something great together while the support lifts the ban
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Reignskream✭✭✭✭I would like to suggest that if you ban an ingame-account you should also ban the linked forum account.
Yes - there MIGHT - be people that were banned wrongfully. But I am sure these bans will be lifted with an appropriate apology - maybe even with a reward (at least the game-time should be refunded, naturally).
These people can appeal their ban through the support and if that does not suit someone there is still a legal option left.
Everyone else is just as guilty as most of the prison inmates. They should not be allowed to rant in here and slander on a game that can still (despite the obvious BIG, HUGE, MASSIVE flaws) be a great game if those cheating idiots would not succeed in actually spilling their hateful speech all over the place.
And if YOU (yes, you) are one of those ranters, that are guilty but pulling off a number in the forum, and you want to tell me that this is "freedom of speech" then I hope a tree punches your head hard during the next summer-storm.
Signed.2 -
Majic✭✭✭✭✭I think it would be more productive to ban those who flood the customer support forum with rude and unhelpful posts.Epopt Of The Everspinning Logo, Church Of The Eternal Loading Screen
And verily, verily, spaketh the Lord: "Error <<1>>"4 -
MercyKilling✭✭✭✭✭l-wilson-1986b16_ESO wrote: »I guess we should just throw the entire human population in prison and have them appeal their innocence just so we can stop criminal activity in society?
No, if you REALLY wanted to stop criminal activity, you'd make the punishment for criminal activity SO HORRIBLE...SO AWFUL....that nobody would commit a crime for fear of that punishment.
Obviously people aren't afraid of getting caught and banned.
I will admit freely that perhaps someone could have purchased a duplicated item from someone that was intentionally selling them to people to help hide their wrongdoings. However, I'm also confident of Zenimax's staff being able to root out such people and restore their accounts.I am not spending a single penny on the game until changes are made to the game that I want to see.
1) Remove having to be in a guild to sell items to other players at a kiosk.
2) Cosmetic modding for armor and clothing.
3) Difficulty slider.
4) Fully customizable player housing that isn't tied to anything in the game other than having the correct resources and enough gold to build. Don't tie it to PvP, guild membership, or anything at all. Oh, make it instanced so as not to take up world map space, too. Zeni screwed this one up already.
Any /one/ of these things implemented would get me spending again, maybe even subbing.1 -
xxs0cksxx✭✭l-wilson-1986b16_ESO wrote: »l-wilson-1986b16_ESO wrote: »I guess we should just throw the entire human population in prison and have them appeal their innocence just so we can stop criminal activity in society?
That's not the point here.
The bans happened after a process of evaluation. This process is appropriate for an online game. So yes - it is the right way to ban if there is suspicious activity.
You realise that there is exceptional evidence that alot of the banned individuals were affected by the bank bug right? Zenimax's bug sent them duplicate CE items, so basically it is very likely that their process of evaluation flagged players who they themselves compromised by sending them duplicate items (they are flagged as unique, players technically shouldn't have two of them).
If I knew, that there was no chance that someone I trust implicitly had been banned due to this bug, i'd slap him on the back and tell him it was just tough love. But when there has been overwhelming posts suggesting this is the case then I will not sit in the corner and accept it, because it's not right and I am sick of worrying about bans. First it was partners being banned for exchanging gold (unjustified and turned around after 2-5 days), now there's a chance people are being banned due to developer bugs?
I haven't been banned, my husband had. I didn't have the bank bug, he did. Given that I can see his computer screen at any time I have no reason to doubt his innocence. And i'm on the forums because his last 3 tickets due to his wiped bank were ignored.
If the masses are right and alot of these bans were wrong, then it has massive implications for both the companies credibility and customer trust. And the real kicker? We were both loving this game.
You realize that spammers and exploiters do all they can to willingly destabilize a community so the bans get lifted?
This is exactly the train you jump on to. You are used as a tool by these people because they actually have an illegal business running with what they do.
I feel sorry for you if the ban was unjust. And I hope you will get an apology - your account back and a gift.Edited by xxs0cksxx on April 18, 2014 11:51PM5
