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I think it's time ZOS started hiring volunteers that would police the game for RPs.
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Nestor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Good chance the enforcement would be more annoying than the issueEnjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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zergbase_ESO✭✭✭✭Good chance the enforcement would be more annoying than the issue
Eh the lack of any enforcement in game is just sad. Fact you have community going into hiding because ZoS refuses to do much is sad. But that is their problem. Sad to see ambassador even bootlicking ZoS. But hey it is like amazon Ambassador job just make them look good even if they're bad.
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✭✭✭Just remove the difficulty scale entire game to storymode difficulty spawn a seperate server or instance mode for rpers. so they can literally live in their own little world and those of us who don't RP can stay in ours and if players try to harass people on rp make like 2-3 reports against one player in a short amount of time boot them back to normal servers for 24hrs.
The fact we have a public test server seems entirely possible to drop another mini server for RP players seem very possible don't even have to balance it since its for Rp they can make up how tough the fight is or isn't...
Of course disable tough to earn skins and stuff leave that for the players who want challenge.0 -
Lowbei✭✭✭✭✭zergbase_ESO wrote: »Good chance the enforcement would be more annoying than the issue
Eh the lack of any enforcement in game is just sad. Fact you have community going into hiding because ZoS refuses to do much is sad. But that is their problem. Sad to see ambassador even bootlicking ZoS. But hey it is like amazon Ambassador job just make them look good even if they're bad..
the rpers decision to “go into hiding” over normal players visual only use of their abilities and momentos, is their own choice, and not a factor to normal players.1 -
Erelah✭✭✭✭Seriously, just seeing the [snip] minds and attitudes on the forums is making me sick to my stomach.
Why do people need to go around fixing their crappy IRL issues by ruining the game for harmless innocent bystanders enjoying their version of the game that is ROLEPLAYING . This is [snip] bonkers and totally beyond me.
ZOS should just start hiring Seers (a volunteer lesser GM, with lesser privileges) to police the game. I bet tons of people would love to do this for free.
Might as well take care of botters and cheaters too. And it would cost ZOS no extra money on payrolls.
[Edit for bait.]
This will never happen. EA did this with Ultima Online (the original). The Player DMs were able to play for free. Then they unionized and demanded back pay for work. Haven't seen players in any game given that privilege since then.
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/ultima-online-volunteers-sue-origin/1100-2630696/1 -
nhisso✭✭✭✭This is probably the most friendly MMO i have ever played, and when I say ive tried pretty much every MMO since 2007, that isnt an exaggeration. Im talking every thing from f2p, to indie, to foreign (as long as we can get it in the states), to triple A. If an MMO comes out, i try it.
I think the issue usually is how cringey the RP is and if people are using chat to do it. If you want to RP, no one else should have zone or area chat hindered. That is the only time ive seen griefing. When people start cybering and using cringey dialogue that comes off as try hard, or you can tell someone thinks theyre an amazing orator or story teller/writer, it's bad enough. It will bring out some hate. But when youre taking up chat space, people will assume you're either selfish or showing off on top of the FACT that you're taking up chat space people use to ask questions and make announcements.
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✭I don’t RP, but it irks me when bad apples ruin other people’s fun. There should be (and allegedly are) consequences but the systems in place are slow and less than ideal.
Providing some limited gm powers to carefully selected and monitored community members seems a reasonable thing to me, at least on paper. It’s far from unprecedented.
It wouldn’t solve everything, but an opt-out setting for certain mementos could at least limit some of the damage.forever stuck in combat0 -
Lowbei✭✭✭✭✭The best solution I have seen so far is for them to either move to housing, or to ask zos for an opt-in rper only version of instances. since this would require more resources which are already limited, the best option seems to be private housing areas. Theres a large player cap there, specifically for this reason. Why isnt that an acceptable solution?Edited by Lowbei on March 27, 2020 12:20AM0
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✭✭✭I don't know, a bunch of prefects/secret police type people, who don't even have the excuse they are being paid, may not end well.
I think it is better to make mechanical changes to the game that make typical forms of trolling/bullying harder/impossible to do.
Like allowing people to reject emotes that are placed on them (outside certain festivals!) and limiting the number of mudballs (and similar) that one player can throw at another player, who is not on their friendslist, over a certain period of time.
Then, maybe, also in-game (paid) GMs that can appear, if a player reports someone, and then hang around until the troll/bully is scared off and have the option to take action, if they aren't.0 -
Lowbei✭✭✭✭✭I don't know, a bunch of prefects/secret police type people, who don't even have the excuse they are being paid, may not end well.
I think it is better to make mechanical changes to the game that make typical forms of trolling/bullying harder/impossible to do.
Like allowing people to reject emotes that are placed on them (outside certain festivals!) and limiting the number of mudballs (and similar) that one player can throw at another player, who is not on their friendslist, over a certain period of time.
Then, maybe, also in-game (paid) GMs that can appear, if a player reports someone, and then hang around until the troll/bully is scared off and have the option to take action, if they aren't.
I seriously doubt zos is going to hire someone just to follow rpers around making sure other players arent using momentos too close to them. That sounds like a terrible waste of money.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Like allowing people to reject emotes that are placed on them (outside certain festivals!) and limiting the number of mudballs (and similar) that one player can throw at another player, who is not on their friendslist, over a certain period of time.
Yep, and then we will have the same RPers come right back up here and complain about "toxic trolls" dueling or just spamming flashy skills in the middle of their gathering. Your solution has just introduced a bunch of arbitrary restrictions on players who are not even involved in this whole debacle and still solved nothing.Then, maybe, also in-game (paid) GMs that can appear, if a player reports someone, and then hang around until the troll/bully is scared off and have the option to take action, if they aren't.
This (paid) part is quite relevant. ZOS does not really dedicate resources to ESO these days. The whole team is just about sixty people. Even if some of them indeed are GMs their time can be used much more efficiently than just standing around and performing the role of some weird scarecrow.1 -
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✭✭✭zergbase_ESO wrote: »Seriously, just seeing the crappy and toxic minds and attitudes on the forums is making me sick to my stomach.
Why do people need to go around fixing their crappy IRL issues by ruining the game for harmless innocent bystanders enjoying their version of the game that is ROLEPLAYING . This is F-ing bonkers and totally beyond me.
ZOS should just start hiring Seers (a volunteer lesser GM, with lesser privileges) to police the game. I bet tons of people would love to do this for free.
Might as well take care of botters and cheaters too. And it would cost ZOS no extra money on payrolls.
We moved all RP into instanced RP. Never go outside due to that. Use housing if it is that bad.
@zergbase_ESO
Just a little history of the game in regards to what you stated here.
Well before launch, Zos courted RPers by saying they would have a means to "flag" themselves for RP. It was also mentioned the same system would be used for other interests by the focused selling point was to attract the lucrative RP player base.
This system was intended to place like-minded players in the same instance but not have a dedicated instance for any interest.
Shortly before launch, Zos balked at their own proposal. It was probably due to server load or other challenges. They said they would find other means to help the RP community but never followed through.
The point is, if they could not do it as a non-dedicated means they certainly cannot do it with the absolute dedication you are suggesting.
Not knocking the though. Just explaining the history that shows how unlikely it would be.
It would've been the greatest solution to everyone's problem with RP honestly. What a shame.
It would, in a way.
Although, honestly, even as a non-RPer myself, it makes me smile when I see people doing RP.
Not so much ERP (I prefer to avoid that and have never seen it here, anyway), but regular RP.
It makes the game world seem more alive than just hearing the same NPCs, saying exactly the same things, all the time.
...and just the fact that people seem happy, innocently doing something they enjoy (without killing other players!) makes me happy, too.
If they had made it prioritise RPers, non RPers would presumably encounter people doing RP even less than they do now.
Edited by Tigerseye on March 27, 2020 12:42AM1 -
Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Maybe, instead of making pro-RP instances, they could make anti-RP ones (for people who hate RP), instead?
So, they could ask if you like/don't mind, or dislike RP and if you say you dislike it, you are then never placed in an instance that has people who say they like/don't mind RP in it?
They should make it clear they don't mean ERP, though.
That should probably only take place on a designated server, for people who have said they specifically want that.Edited by Tigerseye on March 27, 2020 12:48AM0 -
wolfbone✭✭✭✭✭I think the guy who posted this just wants attention. why post a roleplayer related topic in the general discussion section when there's a roleplayer dedicated section? I think this guy is just after the attention and wants to be hated so he can keep posting about it here, las far as I've seen on ps4, there's nothing going on to disrupt rp'ers, and I have seen anyone with a problem with them. I think he wants the attention and so he's complaining about it here, and not in the roleplay section of the forums3
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Yep, and then we will have the same RPers come right back up here and complain about "toxic trolls" dueling or just spamming flashy skills in the middle of their gathering. Your solution has just introduced a bunch of arbitrary restrictions on players who are not even involved in this whole debacle and still solved nothing.
How?
I'm just suggesting people should be allowed to opt out of being mudballed (and similar), if they prefer and that people really have no reason, other than a negative one, to repeatedly mudball someone (over, say, 5 times an hour), who is not a friend.
If necessary, they could always expand the friendslist, a little, for people who like mudballing each other for hours.
Those are both very specific suggestions, designed to solve specific problems and give people options over what happens to them, in the game.
Therefore, they are the opposite of "arbitrary".
Maybe you could explain how exactly this would affect what you do in the game, to people who are not your friends, so I can better understand what the problem would be with either of them?
This (paid) part is quite relevant. ZOS does not really dedicate resources to ESO these days. The whole team is just about sixty people. Even if some of them indeed are GMs their time can be used much more efficiently than just standing around and performing the role of some weird scarecrow.
Yes, well that is odd, in itself.
If GW2 can afford to send someone out to stand by someone, I'm sure ESO could, too.
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Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I think the guy who posted this just wants attention. why post a roleplayer related topic in the general discussion section when there's a roleplayer dedicated section? I think this guy is just after the attention and wants to be hated so he can keep posting about it here, las far as I've seen on ps4, there's nothing going on to disrupt rp'ers, and I have seen anyone with a problem with them. I think he wants the attention and so he's complaining about it here, and not in the roleplay section of the forums
No, the RPers are clearly just trying to get people to out themselves as bullies/trolls, to demonstrate what they have to put up with in-game and they have been very successful in doing that, so far.
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Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I'm OK, you're OK.
That is what we should all be aiming for.
We don't have to all think the same, just live and let live.2 -
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Yep, and then we will have the same RPers come right back up here and complain about "toxic trolls" dueling or just spamming flashy skills in the middle of their gathering. Your solution has just introduced a bunch of arbitrary restrictions on players who are not even involved in this whole debacle and still solved nothing.
How?
I'm just suggesting people should be allowed to opt out of being mudballed (and similar), if they prefer and that people really have no reason, other than a negative one, to repeatedly mudball someone (over, say, 5 times an hour), who is not a friend.
If necessary, they could always expand the friendslist, a little, for people who like mudballing each other for hours.
Those are both very specific suggestions, designed to solve specific problems and give people options over what happens to them, in the game.
Therefore, they are the opposite of "arbitrary".
Maybe you could explain how exactly this would affect what you do in the game, to people who are not your friends, so I can better understand what the problem would be with either of them?
Well, that wouldn't be fun. There's been a lot of times where I got into a mud ball or flower duel with another player because we both felt like acting silly while waiting for queues at the Undaunted NPCs. I always do the flowers first, just to see if I can instigate a mud ball or flower fight. This happens regularly - I get a solid 5 minute momento duel at least 4 days out of the week!PC-NA | PvP (Gray Host & BGs) | PvE (vTrials & vDGs)0 -
Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The best solution I have seen so far is for them to either move to housing, or to ask zos for an opt-in rper only version of instances. since this would require more resources which are already limited, the best option seems to be private housing areas. Theres a large player cap there, specifically for this reason. Why isnt that an acceptable solution?
No, ZOS should give people like you an option to play on, with no RPers to infringe on your delicate sensibilities.
I shouldn't have to never see role playing again, when I am perfectly happy with its existence, just because I'm not a role player myself.
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Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
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Yep, and then we will have the same RPers come right back up here and complain about "toxic trolls" dueling or just spamming flashy skills in the middle of their gathering. Your solution has just introduced a bunch of arbitrary restrictions on players who are not even involved in this whole debacle and still solved nothing.
How?
I'm just suggesting people should be allowed to opt out of being mudballed (and similar), if they prefer and that people really have no reason, other than a negative one, to repeatedly mudball someone (over, say, 5 times an hour), who is not a friend.
If necessary, they could always expand the friendslist, a little, for people who like mudballing each other for hours.
Those are both very specific suggestions, designed to solve specific problems and give people options over what happens to them, in the game.
Therefore, they are the opposite of "arbitrary".
Maybe you could explain how exactly this would affect what you do in the game, to people who are not your friends, so I can better understand what the problem would be with either of them?
Well, that wouldn't be fun. There's been a lot of times where I got into a mud ball or flower duel with another player because we both felt like acting silly while waiting for queues at the Undaunted NPCs. I always do the flowers first, just to see if I can instigate a mud ball or flower fight. This happens regularly - I get a solid 5 minute momento duel at least 4 days out of the week!
OK, so we have a solution, then.
5 mins of mudballing the same person, or group and then, no more.
Unless they are on your friendslist.0 -
Tigertron✭✭✭✭Knightpanther wrote: »I bet tons of people would love to do this for free too.
Yes and most of them will be total idiots hyped up on a power trip.
Exactly how it evolved on EQ back in the day. Had to start reporting the volunteer GMs to the senior GMs. And it was a pissing match that deteriorated quickly.3 -
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✭✭✭zergbase_ESO wrote: »Good chance the enforcement would be more annoying than the issue
Eh the lack of any enforcement in game is just sad. Fact you have community going into hiding because ZoS refuses to do much is sad. But that is their problem. Sad to see ambassador even bootlicking ZoS. But hey it is like amazon Ambassador job just make them look good even if they're bad..
Proper timely enforcement can radically change a community for the better.
If you report people in FFXIV for even using foul language, you can expect a live person to respond to your complaint and enforcement within 48 hours for even a mass-report.1 -
Recent✭✭✭✭✭Put the guards to good use I say....all they seems to do is harrass us petty thieves....we're just trying to put food on our tables. They really should be focusing on those 'mudballers'😅😅😅
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✭Sheezabeast wrote: »I double dog dare you to post this on the roleplaying forum here. You won't.
wait.. theres a roleplayers forum here??? i hadnt noticed that one. then why do they keep posting angry threads on the normal players forum?
Yep and there we have it, ladies and gentleman.
"the normal players forum".
Implying that RPers aren't "normal".
If that isn't an admission of bullying, from this person, I don't know what is.
“role-players are the only normal players“
“I don't play in groups in ESO”
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If you think that role-playing is only a group activity then you know nothing about role-playing. The purpose of role-playing game on PC is exactly to replace DM and other players. In online it is also possible to cooperate with other player characters, but it is not necessary.The Three Storm Sharks, episode 8 released on january the 8th.
One mer to rule them all,
one mer to find them,
One mer to bring them all
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Itoq✭✭✭✭"hiring" "volunteers"
"volunteers" "police"
I'll take "Things that do not go together in a (relatively) civilized society" for $400, Alex.
Hiring police would work, but nobody is going to pay for that.6 -
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justaquickword✭✭✭✭WreckfulAbandon wrote: »If ZOS would give us the option to kill anyone, anytime, even in PvE land, then you can hire players to police it for you.
That would be the best ever
Hah!
And that would end We'll wouldn't it.
Funny stuff. 8/10 for effort.1 -
LadySinflower✭✭✭✭✭There are people who harass RPers? Really? Jeez... How petty can you get? I have friends who I regularly play with who RP to an extent (ie "my character is a templar; he doesn't steal or kill"). My answer? "OK, cool. You do you."
Another griefer group to add to the people who like to grief others for no reason. Stupid. Just play the game and don't be a jerk.1
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