Light attack nerf

Flaaklypa · March 2020

Setting the standard of the game, to players who dont know how to play the game is a really bad decision. And will truly be the last straw this new clueless combat team will do for a lot of people.
DONT MAKE IT GO LIVE

Naftal · March 2020

If they make combat easier then there will be no excuse left for someone to do low dps.

Asardes · March 2020

Do you have any source for an upcoming nerf to light attack damage?

Flaaklypa · March 2020

Asardes wrote: »

Do you have any source for an upcoming nerf to light attack damage?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/517545/pts-patch-notes-testing-ideas-for-light-heavy-attacks-in-combat

Kr3do · March 2020

We crucified Wrobel when he was the lead combat designer.
I can't believe i actually miss that man now.

mav1234 · March 2020

Without playtesting, I'm not going to say I mind the proposed change a ton. While I've always liked animation cancelling for faster attacks, weaving is not something I am as wed to. It was a necessary part of doing damage, not something I 'enjoyed' or felt made combat smoother/more interesting.

Also, using heavy attacks situationally is interesting. Not sure their changes will actually bridge the gap between low and high apm players though.

Dubhliam · March 2020

ZOS...

WHAT
THE
HELL?!

Have you learned NOTHING from the last year meta swings?!!

The game is finally in a semi-good place combat wise and you decide to throw a 10 foot wrench in the middle of it.

Banana · March 2020

Are maelstrom staves going to get a new bonus if these go ahead. As buffing limp noodle light attacks is pretty disappointing

Kel · March 2020

Banana wrote: »

Are maelstrom staves going to get a new bonus if these go ahead. As buffing limp noodle light attacks is pretty disappointing

They buff heavy as well.

Banana · March 2020

Kel wrote: »

Banana wrote: »

Are maelstrom staves going to get a new bonus if these go ahead. As buffing limp noodle light attacks is pretty disappointing

They buff heavy as well.

Yes. But

Ascarl · March 2020

You can grab your torches and forks: I like the LA nerfs.

Right now 99% per of all players weaver a LA in between their skills. On live servers there was zero room for anything other than LA - 1 - LA -1 - LA -2 - LA -3 playstyle.

Animal_Mother · March 2020

mav1234 wrote: »

Without playtesting, I'm not going to say I mind the proposed change a ton. While I've always liked animation cancelling for faster attacks, weaving is not something I am as wed to. It was a necessary part of doing damage, not something I 'enjoyed' or felt made combat smoother/more interesting.

Also, using heavy attacks situationally is interesting. Not sure their changes will actually bridge the gap between low and high apm players though.

It almost seems like low apm players will still run out of resources while high apm ones may never run out.

mav1234 · March 2020

Animal_Mother wrote: »

mav1234 wrote: »

Without playtesting, I'm not going to say I mind the proposed change a ton. While I've always liked animation cancelling for faster attacks, weaving is not something I am as wed to. It was a necessary part of doing damage, not something I 'enjoyed' or felt made combat smoother/more interesting.

Also, using heavy attacks situationally is interesting. Not sure their changes will actually bridge the gap between low and high apm players though.

It almost seems like low apm players will still run out of resources while high apm ones may never run out.

Which may be OK, honestly. It can help differentiate good from bad players, without it being directly about damage, and without it being highly burst oriented in PvP as it is now.

Hard to say without playtesting.

This change alone is not a big deal, but a complete overhaul to LA/HA in the middle of massive performance issues.... ehhh

Thokri · March 2020

They will close this thread as they do with all that critisize ZoS or their plans. Sadly.

Royaji · March 2020

Banana wrote: »

Are maelstrom staves going to get a new bonus if these go ahead. As buffing limp noodle light attacks is pretty disappointing

Maelstrom staff adds a flat amount of damage. The decrease in LA damage does not affect it at all.

themaddaedra · March 2020

They ain't f***ing around they don't want players.

Royaji · March 2020

Ascarl wrote: »

You can grab your torches and forks: I like the LA nerfs.

Right now 99% per of all players weaver a LA in between their skills. On live servers there was zero room for anything other than LA - 1 - LA -1 - LA -2 - LA -3 playstyle.

Hate to break it to you. If the change goes through LA weaving will equate to about 400 stam/mag recovery. It's not going anywhere.

Nairinhe · March 2020

These changes look interesing and may even suit my potato playstyle. Looking forward to seeing (constructive!) feedback from more skilled players

GaianSpirit · March 2020

END GAME COMMUNITY WILL QUIT THE GAME

I spent money for 5 years in this game, bought computer the works to improve game play and now you do this ***

oXI_Viper_IXo · March 2020

"Hey guys, you know how pretty much everyone hates how much we've been slowing down and potato-proofing combat? Yeah, we've decided to double down and keep going even further in that direction."

Way to completely alienate your veteran players, ZOS.

Chufu · March 2020

I like this change actually. Was never as good as guys who do the perfect weaving, because I can't do this crazy amount of LA clicking. Even with the changes you still need to do some LA's though to keep the resource-gathering up, but that should be fine. It always bugged me that I was never able to reach such high DPS numbers, just because my LA weaving doesn't work as good (when players do 90k at puppets, I am doing 60-70k with raidgear for example).

Rikumaru · March 2020

Issues with nerfing ACing and tank meta? Lets nerf light attack damage by 78% and incentivise light attack spamming!!!!

zvavi · March 2020

Ascarl wrote: »

You can grab your torches and forks: I like the LA nerfs.

Right now 99% per of all players weaver a LA in between their skills. On live servers there was zero room for anything other than LA - 1 - LA -1 - LA -2 - LA -3 playstyle.

U think it will change? The only difference is that those that dont la, wouldn't be able to sustain.

soulferin · March 2020

[quote="Chufu;c-6668931"It always bugged me that I was never able to reach such high DPS numbers, just because my LA weaving doesn't work as good (when players do 90k at puppets, I am doing 60-70k with raidgear for example).[/quote]

After changes some players will do around 70k and You will get 40 at best, so they will be clearing vets as they do and You will be struggle at dungeons

Maxx7410 · March 2020

What!!!!!! arrrr who think this is a good change??! ZOS do you want to kill the game?

Vicinia · March 2020

It's almost scary how they're going down the same path DCUO has. Reminds me of weapon mastery/awesome mechanics, which was an awful attempt at increasing dps among the low skilled section of the playerbase. Spoiler alert: Vet DPS still outdamaged them, even if it was extremely dumbed down.

Catering to low skilled players won't help at all. In fact they will now complain about not having access to the resource recovery vs efficient light attack weavers.

I knew a light attack nerf was coming. Didn't think it would be this awful. They really are winging it....i mean killing it

colossalvoids · March 2020

Divine Konkle and Saint Wrobel, guide us in this dark times.

Cirantille · March 2020

I guess it is their way of saying

"It is not possible to fix this lag, so we will lag the combat in a way you can catch up!"

Maxx7410 · March 2020

You want feedback? mine is hell no!!!!!

deepseamk20b14_ESO · March 2020

The changes themselves don't necessarily upset me, I'll adapt, but the constant changing of a combat system that has been around for SIX YEARS is pissing me off. STOP CHANGING THINGS TO CATER TO THOSE UNWILLING TO MEET THE BAR, YOU JUST BREAK THE GAME MORE AND MORE WHEN YOU DO THIS!

This really was such a great game but its been poorly managed over the last year.

I'd be willing to bet a mass exodus will take place this year.

Cirantille · March 2020

Also people thinking that, this will even the gap between weavers and I-am-against-weaving people

It will even broaden the gap

If you can not pull high dps with this fast paced combat, you can not pull in the slowed version either