Looking for solution for "overworld tank".

  • stevenyaub16_ESO
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    Refusing to carry another set is a stupid attitude for a tank. Tanks carry many sets at endgame and all players who PvP also carry that set.

    So if you don't want to carry a more damage orientated set, and complain about it, then there is no solution for you apart from whining. All it takes is a few skill swaps and gear changes and you can do anything.

    Hell even using a tank set like thunderbug can be enough to change overland experience.
  • ArchMikem
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    Craft Hundings Rage in 5 Heavy instead of Medium. You get a damage set with the bonuses of the Heavy Armor passives. Then combine that with another damage set in weapons and jewelry and there you are, a more "Tanky" damage dealer.
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  • newtinmpls
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    My non-standard tank (read: I don't do vet content with her; although that's partly because I hate the annoying vet mechanics. (Borderlands has a much better handle on "hard" content without annoying as heck) anyway, she is an Orsimer Sorc

    For fun/overland:
    Thurnderbug (5pg), Stormfist(2 pc monster) and Storm Knight (5 pc)

    When "officially taking" with a group, I switch out Storm Knight to Ebon.

    Usually use S&B and dual wield; when "officially tanking" I swap out the dual wield for a 2-handed - if I think of it. Mostly it doesn't matter that much.

    Lots of fun!!

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  • mague
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    My overland Tank just uses dps or damage proc sets. Sure he is a bit slower, but its a tank. I wanted to have a tank :)
  • Hotdog_23
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    As a Tank you really need to carry to 2 dps sets to make questing and solo activity easier. Keep your CP’s set as a tank and you will still be fine with the 2 dps sets. No point in paying the 3k gold fee just to quest. Since queueing on a tank is instance when I do dungeons the need to switch gear is not really that time consuming compared to the time spent trying to dps as a tank every if you must visit the bank to get your tanking sets out.

    The most annoying part to me is to do max level daily writs on a tank that can also quest means you need a TRUCK load of skill point. All the skill point for crafting, then all class skill and passives along with 4 weapon lines and passives (sword and board, staff, bow and either dual wield or 2 hander) then world and guild skill lines plus 2 complete armor skill line. It takes twice as long for me to finish a tank character then a dps or healer.

    Just remember that this is a game and meant to be fun and not a chore and fill like a job to play. :)
  • RavenSworn
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    My tank has only put 4 points onto health and the rest to either magicka or stamina depending on the build.

    That way, even if I bring one set of dps gear, I can do overland and still have the stats for it. Really, all you need is the five pc bonus from any dps crafted or overland gear. You can always change the food bonus you want and the weapon of choice ( or that is your off hand weapon ).

    Never stopped me from doing overland anything really.
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  • Septimus_Magna
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    The most reasonable solution that I can think of it a dual spec. A toggle to change between 2 specs without a fee. Changes within those specs however would still cost. A tank who was a dedicated could change between that build and a second, for example DPS.

    Barring that, simply changing gear, food, and mundus is enough for overland. Over isnt very difficult. The barrier revolves around lower level tanks not having enough skill points to swap between tanking and stamina builds in many cases.

    Ive recently switched my sorc to a tank setup but simply changing gear, food and mundus isnt enough imo. You can easily complete quests but its terrible if you want to do daily world bosses for example. Besides, you're going through food quickly and constantly changing mundus before porting to dungeons is really annoying.

    More difficult things to work around are attributes, morphs and CP. As a tank you'll have many attribute points into health and the rest split between stamina and magicka. Now I think about it, maybe running magicka+mag regen food can be a decent way to overcome this problem. Morphs can be different depending on you class/build. And finally CP, especially the green and blue trees will be very different for a tank and DD setup. Its probably exactly the same for PVP players who regularly do PVE and vice versa.

    It would be ideal if there were two specs that can be set individually with at least attribute points, CP and mundus. Maybe it would be smart to only be able to switch and set these specs at an outfit station in town to avoid abuse.
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  • sekou_trayvond
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    All I know is this: when a tank shows up at a world boss, it's a wonderful sight.
  • DreadDaedroth
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    It's a shame they tanked one hand and shield damage for petty Pvp reasons.
  • Septimus_Magna
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    All I know is this: when a tank shows up at a world boss, it's a wonderful sight.

    Each time I show up at a WB with my tanking spec there's nobody around and I have to switch back to my DD spec.
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  • fiender66
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    All these people are overthinking it, You already can do big Damage on a tank with just

    2 words.

    Masters.
    Greatsword.


    Pull big and cleave down with 60k dps. I used it to solo trials, vMA, dlc vets and more. Its just that good and does not require any spec changing, just back bar it.

    Thank me later.

    Allow me to ask: Greatsword I surmise is the 2h weapon (with Brawler, right?). But I'm not able to give a meaning to "Masters".
    Would you help me?


    Pls forget it. I now realise that you are referring to the Titanic Set of Master Weapons. Uhm... not the easier thing to obtain, though
    Edited by fiender66 on March 4, 2020 10:31AM
  • zaria
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    Just craft some stam dps sets (hundings / etc) and switch when you do overland content. You should have more than enough damage for overland.
    This, now use stamina + stam regen food.
    Grinding just make you go in circles.
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  • Carespanker
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    fiender66 wrote: »
    All these people are overthinking it, You already can do big Damage on a tank with just

    2 words.

    Masters.
    Greatsword.


    Pull big and cleave down with 60k dps. I used it to solo trials, vMA, dlc vets and more. Its just that good and does not require any spec changing, just back bar it.

    Thank me later.

    Allow me to ask: Greatsword I surmise is the 2h weapon (with Brawler, right?). But I'm not able to give a meaning to "Masters".
    Would you help me?


    Pls forget it. I now realise that you are referring to the Titanic Set of Master Weapons. Uhm... not the easier thing to obtain, though

    As a fellow tank I can assure you the only problem doing VDSA is the time it takes for pug dps to clear it. Its worth the 3 hour dungeon if you can obtain it, trust me.
  • markulrich1966
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    Kombinator wrote: »
    Just craft some stam dps sets (hundings / etc) and switch when you do overland content. You should have more than enough damage for overland.

    Well it costs 14 slot in inventory to carry around, or forced to go into bank. Inventory is small as it is i think.

    yes that is the price to pay. Even as DD (magsorc). I farm worldbosses in Elsweyr and Summerset. On xbox EU, you rarely have groups as player population is decreasing, so you depend on solo or dual-team play.
    You just can win this challenge, if you have 2 or 3 different sets of armor, depending on the type of enemy.
    E.g. for queen of the reef you might go for heavy + iceheart (before the nerf), as heavy restores a lot of magicka using a lightning staff attack. The AOE of the staff + crystal blast clears out the many small ads (mudcrabs) quickly.

    For Graveld you might prefer light armor + slimecraw, as you need high burst damage to quickly burn him down in the last round when he has below 25% health, to avoid that too many ads spawn (salamanders).

    These are just examples, depending on class/race/skills/cp other armor combinations can be better.
    Edited by markulrich1966 on March 4, 2020 2:21PM
  • Kahnak
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    I originally read this as 'otherworld' tank.

    Can I do that, instead?
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  • bakthi
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    For reference:

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/370986/buffing-up-the-leeching-bahrahas-curse-build

    I tried using Burning Spellweave on my DK tank for overworld stuff, but I switched to this and it's pretty great. Advantages:

    - Don't have to swap around attributes (or mundus, really) for overworld vs. trials
    - Probably don't have to swap CP either most of the time (blue CP is what makes this build work, and blue CP is a bit of a toss-up for tanks).
    - Leeching and Bahraha's Curse are useful sets for tanks anyway (situational...like every other set)

    The only truly extra equipment I'm carrying around to make this work is a Grothdarr helm + shoulders and a Bahraha's Curse fire staff. Enemies die and I really, really don't.

    I'm sure it would do more damage if I went 5 light, but I went 5 heavy to avoid carrying around more gear, and it's still so much better than trying to actively kill things as a tank.

    Edit: in case you care, the main skills I use are wall of elements, soul trap, engulfing flames, whip. Half of which a tank probably has anyway.
    Edited by bakthi on March 4, 2020 3:13PM
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  • CMDR_Un1k0rn
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    A simple crafted setup for overland is all you need. Don't even need a monster set TBH, though it is nice and gives you something to do. Will buff your damage more than enough.
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  • Synnastix
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    Dk argo tank w/ leeching plate, bahara’s curse, and monster of choice (grothdar/chudan are good). Tanks fine and you can afk kill most overland stuff.
  • Kombinator
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    Refusing to carry another set is a stupid attitude for a tank. Tanks carry many sets at endgame and all players who PvP also carry that set.

    So if you don't want to carry a more damage orientated set, and complain about it, then there is no solution for you apart from whining. All it takes is a few skill swaps and gear changes and you can do anything.

    Hell even using a tank set like thunderbug can be enough to change overland experience.

    At ENDGAME.

    Right now tanks are forced to carry around 2 sets even for vet. DLC, because those will destroy you for going damage gear.

    Same is not true for healer. You can just swap skills, and there you go. DPS doesn't even need to swap. I'm well aware, that attributes, and CP are not really needed. I was just hoping to avoid the gear change somehow. Thanks to RNG i got full medium vet. gears before i got tank stuff.
  • EvilAutoTech
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    I have a Tankplar that I call my Abrams. S&b front all tanking skills. Destro back bar that changes from group to solo play. In a group setting I use a frost staff and add the undaunted taunt to the bar. When I solo, I change to an infused flame staff with a lightning enchant and swap my monster set to Ilambris. I drop the taunt in favor a a destro damage skill. I can solo normal dungeons and world bosses when set up for damage and can tank vet dungeons when set up for group.
  • newtinmpls
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    Kombinator wrote: »
    Right now tanks are forced to carry around 2 sets even for vet. DLC, because those will destroy you for going damage gear.

    I'm reading this as "if you aren't BIS, you will get abuse piled on you by intolerant A***'s who are likely to be found in Vet/DLC dungeons.

    Which is pretty much why I avoid them like the plague. Learning to do exact and particular crap to finish a particular Vet run is annoying, not fun (for me) so I leave it to those who like it. I tend not to do randoms (unless I'm with at least one buddy), and never random vets. But that's me, and I have fun with what I do.

    I say figure out what you like and do a bunch of that. If you have friends who like other things, and will help you to learn how to do them, give it a try.
    Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
    Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
    Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
    Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.
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    Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
    House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
    Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis
  • Haquor
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    Step 1) Craft hundings/new moon. Get VO or briarheart to compliment it. Whatever monster set or crafted 2 piece with stam/wpn damage for head/shoulders.

    Step 2) Rank 2h and bow and dw.

    Rally from 2h line for a heal plus any self heals such as crit surge, dragon blood, mender/sacrifice, spores, repentance/ritual etc

    Vigor is a game changer and can be attained very easily in a couple of hours running with a zerg in pvp. If you hate pvp and cant bare to participate that is on you. Its a small sacrifice for such an outstanding stamina heal.

    With 2h or dw and bow you in medium armour with dubious drink you will have plenty of regen, speed, resistance, damage and stamina to wreck overland stuff.

    You can leave CP optimised for tanking. Just change your gear and skill bars and overland will be much faster.

    Eg

    2 piece bloodspawn/velidreth, 5 piece briarheart, 5 piece hundings rage.

    2h Bar 1: Brawler, dizzy swing, rally, reverse slice, class skill, class ultimate

    Dw Bar 1: steel torado, blood craze, quick/deadly cloak, class skill, class skill, class ultimate

    Bar 2: endless hail, posion injection/magnum shot, class skill, class skill, class skill/vigor, class ultimate.


    Thats just one variation of a very simple setup to switch tank to for overland questing and solo stuff.

    Basically if you have stamina oriented crafted/overland armour, melee and bow with an aoe damage skill, a single target damage skill, a cc, a resistance skill, a heal you will be golden.
  • xaraan
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    Never understood why someone would try to do overland stuff on a tank in a tank build. I've been tanking from the start and aside from putting sword and board and heavy armor on to level, do not use it for questing.

    As it stands, all my tanks carry a set of Bright Throats and Julianos and throw that on for questing and since I always level destro and resto to use in some tank builds, I just run a magicka build for questing and use Eye Scream food for magicka/magicka regen (don't need health since all points into health in stats). It's more than enough for any of the stuff you do overland.

    Do-able for stam as well, though it costs more in skill points for me since I'm going to put points into destro and resto anyhow. Putting even more into 2hander, DW and/or bow adds up.
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  • barney2525
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    You should be able to get away with just having an extra 5 pieces to change into when you want more DPS If you are primarily a tank. That should handle most overland stuff efficiently.

    IMHO

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  • Ysbriel
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    use med amor damage sets as jewelry and problem solved
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