thissocalledflower wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »I am assuming you mean Murdering or stealing, those are completely optional, stealing though you may still do on accident due to the way random stuff is placed in towns.
If you meant killing as in you don't want to kill anything at all, try puzzle games, get a deck of cards instead maybe.
Why? This is an RPG. If the OP wishes to wander the world without killing things, why can't they give it a go. Stop the gatekeeping. People can play how they bloody well like.
So I gave a realistic response based on how the game actually is and not based on a marketing slogan to get people to buy the game.
Even if you played stealth the mobs in the game are placed to get in your way and force you to kill them on almost every single quest objective in the game, this is not a single player RPG with a no kill route built into it and those are few and far between even in single player games, simple reality is your going to have to kill enemies to actually play the game and enjoy the lore if you into that.
Sure they can skip the tutorial to avoid killing anything there, sure they could go out and explore the world running from every enemy mob, they could gather mats, to sell in guild traders, to make gold and do daily crafting writs to make more gold.
Sure you could run around healing people in Cyrodiil or dungeons but it will take a very long time to reach a high level and groups tend to like the healer to do some damage not necessarily a lot but some.
There are very few quests that don't have killing enemies as part of it, either as part of the quest or in the way of the quest objective.
Playing without killing enemy mobs will prevent you from doing a lot of the content and to me that would defeat the purpose of having bought the game for the most part.
Is it theoretically possible to play without killing anything yes, would it actually be fun due to stopping yourself from doing most of the content that attracts players to the game since the game was not built with that in mind? That is up to the player.
If you look at the title of the thread it's 'How to..' not 'Can I...' 'Should I...' The OP was asking for creative ideas to help them out, and instead of putting their brains to work, many people responded with grumpy negativity about whether this was the right game for them. This *is* the right game for them, as you've so rightly pointed out, it's up to them whether they want to play that way. Your rather snarky comment about packs of cards shows you weren't taking that position to begin with.
Yes, I quite agree with you.
Those who are denigrating the OP for "not wanting to play the game in the fun way".... really, people - there's not much fun in killing your way through a game (well.... unless you've all got "other issues").
It's really a total bummer that none of these games can provide an experience that goes beyond mindlessly killing the "bad guys".
I'd pay ten times my two subs for a game that could produce something besides "it's a daedra - KILL IT".
Elder scrolls game? or any game? because there are plenty nonviolent games or at least games that offer a non violent path. I'm not sure how possible it is to create an Elder scrolls game that doesn't somehow come around to combat of some sort. a puzzle game deciphering elder scrolls or something, or maybe archaeological expedition of sorts (though it seems like even those keep running into dwemer constructs, or various zombies or looters and whatnot)
that said... denigrating people who enjoy combat and realize that this is a video game not real life and all these npcs we kill are just pixels is no better then denigrating OP for trying to do something different.
its a video game. its not that serious.
They were not denigrating the people who enjoy combat. They were standing up for my right to ask a question and not be abused by people in their reply. Please understand the difference.
especially that issues part.really, people - there's not much fun in killing your way through a game (well.... unless you've all got "other issues")
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thissocalledflower wrote: »So i just did the cyrodiil traing mission with the seige weapons. Since i hadn't killed anything when i used the seige weapons, there was noting in my combat metrics tab but my restoration staff which hadnt been activated yet became activated. I was trying to find a lore book to activate and didn't kill anything up to that point. But someone said there are live people in the target dummies? im so confused
Hippie4927 wrote: »thissocalledflower wrote: »So i just did the cyrodiil traing mission with the seige weapons. Since i hadn't killed anything when i used the seige weapons, there was noting in my combat metrics tab but my restoration staff which hadnt been activated yet became activated. I was trying to find a lore book to activate and didn't kill anything up to that point. But someone said there are live people in the target dummies? im so confused
LOL! That person was joking. There are no live people in the training dummies. Your hands are still clean.
thissocalledflower wrote: »Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »Nerouyn wrote:
I'm vegan so yeah, I'd call that murder.
Well @Nerouyn you're wrong. Murder has a clear definition, and it doesn't involve ending the life of a non-human for sustenance. So Bears are murderers? Surely we know they are omnivores capable of getting their sustenance from plant life but they sure do like to eat other animals such as fish.
The answer is no, murder is legally defined as. the killing of a human being by a sane person, with intent, malice aforethought (prior intention to kill the particular victim or anyone who gets in the way) and with no legal excuse or authority.
Don't worry though we all know the reality of the situation is that you you simply couldn't resist talking about being a vegan on an MMORPG's webforum.
Bears don't like to eat other animals such as fish. Bear like to eat berries. They eat the fish because when they come out of hibernation there are no berries to eat yet but "LOOK! hey theres all these fish. Fish aren't berries but it sure beats starving to death waiting for the berries to bloom. Guess i'll eat some fish for now." And as soon as there are berries to eat they go eat them instead.
thissocalledflower wrote: »Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »Nerouyn wrote:
I'm vegan so yeah, I'd call that murder.
Well @Nerouyn you're wrong. Murder has a clear definition, and it doesn't involve ending the life of a non-human for sustenance. So Bears are murderers? Surely we know they are omnivores capable of getting their sustenance from plant life but they sure do like to eat other animals such as fish.
The answer is no, murder is legally defined as. the killing of a human being by a sane person, with intent, malice aforethought (prior intention to kill the particular victim or anyone who gets in the way) and with no legal excuse or authority.
Don't worry though we all know the reality of the situation is that you you simply couldn't resist talking about being a vegan on an MMORPG's webforum.
Bears don't like to eat other animals such as fish. Bear like to eat berries. They eat the fish because when they come out of hibernation there are no berries to eat yet but "LOOK! hey theres all these fish. Fish aren't berries but it sure beats starving to death waiting for the berries to bloom. Guess i'll eat some fish for now." And as soon as there are berries to eat they go eat them instead.
Wrong!
The bear is omnivorous
The bear's diet consists of berries, grain, fish, insects, birds and mammals. The bear will hunt deer and moose and also feed on carcasses.
thissocalledflower wrote: »Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »Nerouyn wrote:
I'm vegan so yeah, I'd call that murder.
Well @Nerouyn you're wrong. Murder has a clear definition, and it doesn't involve ending the life of a non-human for sustenance. So Bears are murderers? Surely we know they are omnivores capable of getting their sustenance from plant life but they sure do like to eat other animals such as fish.
The answer is no, murder is legally defined as. the killing of a human being by a sane person, with intent, malice aforethought (prior intention to kill the particular victim or anyone who gets in the way) and with no legal excuse or authority.
Don't worry though we all know the reality of the situation is that you you simply couldn't resist talking about being a vegan on an MMORPG's webforum.
Bears don't like to eat other animals such as fish. Bear like to eat berries. They eat the fish because when they come out of hibernation there are no berries to eat yet but "LOOK! hey theres all these fish. Fish aren't berries but it sure beats starving to death waiting for the berries to bloom. Guess i'll eat some fish for now." And as soon as there are berries to eat they go eat them instead.
Wrong!
The bear is omnivorous
The bear's diet consists of berries, grain, fish, insects, birds and mammals. The bear will hunt deer and moose and also feed on carcasses.
The nitpick of the question was about what bears "like" to eat. I don't know the answer to that but you could test what they "prefer" to eat by putting piles of fish and berries near each other. Probably the answer is different depending on the particular bear.
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Tranquilizer wrote: »Imagine that you just knock people out instead of killing them.
^This.
Arm yourself with maces if stamina, this will add to the imagination of knocking them out instead of killing them with a sharp weapon. This is also somewhat true, because all "killed" NPCs are back (respawned) in some minutes.
If magicka, knock them out with your magic or your staff.
You can get to max level without killing or thieving.
You will not be able to do very many quests, and you will have to limit your helping to healing, but it can be done.
*Do not do the Cyro intro quest as there are people in the target 'dummies'
Milli_Rabbit wrote: »
MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »You can get to max level without killing or thieving.
You will not be able to do very many quests, and you will have to limit your helping to healing, but it can be done.
*Do not do the Cyro intro quest as there are people in the target 'dummies'
You bring along a friend for quest that can be shared and have them do all the killing for you. Problem solved.