how to play eso without killing or thieving?

doomette · March 2020

Anhedonie wrote: »

Imagine that you just knock people out instead of killing them.

Harder when their bodies disintegrate into a pile of ash, or they freeze solid and burst. Yeah, they’re just sleeping

Lysette · March 2020

As there are gods in the game, where is the problem - you help them to get to the next stage a little earlier - you should be praised for that. And as far as possession goes, let Khajiit care for it, they have a natural attitude to be helpful and free you from the burden to care for it.

Raudgrani · March 2020

Another take on this. My son who plays occasionally too, has sky high morals (contrary to me) - and he simply refused to join Dark Brotherhood/Thieves guild because they are bad people. Likewise, he refuses to fight some world bosses and some delve bosses too, because he thinks it's a mean and bad thing to do ("It's his cave dad, leave him alone!"). The only guy I have ever seen with 100% "good karma" in RDR2 too for example (while I'm like 100% bad myself).

But then, he has no scruples helping me to grind dungeons for sets and so on, because mostly these are undead/evil/wicked/vicious and so on. I think you CAN get away playing this game without MURDER (in the words true sense), or thieving. But you will miss big parts of the game if you don't. I'd say it's nearly impossible to leave even the smallest zombie or angered mudcrab alive. There's a difference between killing and murder, even in court of law.

LuxLunae · March 2020

I was playing a Deus game at the beginning the guy went to attack me and i ran... I came back he was dead....
I played the game without killing anybody even the final boss...I was ready for my pacifist title... Apparently that one person who died at the beginning ( I found out later a police drone attacked him) ruined it all...

That was when I realized pacifism is overrated...

AhPook_Is_Here · March 2020

I don't think you have to steal anything to play the game. Also, you never really kill anybody, they always choose the respawn at wayshrine option and get back to their spot to go through their loop again. It's just a pantomime of violence to amuse sheo, he never really gets rid of his toys, just plays rough with them sometimes.

barney2525 · March 2020

Even the Avengers kill people.

And they are supposed to be the 'good' guys.

The war between good and evil is not paved with rose petals.

Twenty0zTsunami · March 2020

Nerouyn wrote:

I'm vegan so yeah, I'd call that murder.

Well @Nerouyn you're wrong. Murder has a clear definition, and it doesn't involve ending the life of a non-human for sustenance. So Bears are murderers? Surely we know they are omnivores capable of getting their sustenance from plant life but they sure do like to eat other animals such as fish.

The answer is no, murder is legally defined as

. the killing of a human being by a sane person, with intent, malice aforethought (prior intention to kill the particular victim or anyone who gets in the way) and with no legal excuse or authority.

Don't worry though we all know the reality of the situation is that you you simply couldn't resist talking about being a vegan on an MMORPG's webforum.

UppGRAYxDD · March 2020

Just be a healer...

thissocalledflower · March 2020

Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »

Nerouyn wrote:

I'm vegan so yeah, I'd call that murder.

Well @Nerouyn you're wrong. Murder has a clear definition, and it doesn't involve ending the life of a non-human for sustenance. So Bears are murderers? Surely we know they are omnivores capable of getting their sustenance from plant life but they sure do like to eat other animals such as fish.

The answer is no, murder is legally defined as

. the killing of a human being by a sane person, with intent, malice aforethought (prior intention to kill the particular victim or anyone who gets in the way) and with no legal excuse or authority.

Don't worry though we all know the reality of the situation is that you you simply couldn't resist talking about being a vegan on an MMORPG's webforum.

Bears don't like to eat other animals such as fish. Bear like to eat berries. They eat the fish because when they come out of hibernation there are no berries to eat yet but "LOOK! hey theres all these fish. Fish aren't berries but it sure beats starving to death waiting for the berries to bloom. Guess i'll eat some fish for now." And as soon as there are berries to eat they go eat them instead.

dazee · March 2020

you don't have to steal outside a few very specific quests. and never really have to murder. you have to kill for self defense.

It's easy to play a mostly law abiding character in ESO.

ArchangelIsraphel · March 2020

thissocalledflower wrote: »

Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »

Nerouyn wrote:

I'm vegan so yeah, I'd call that murder.

Well @Nerouyn you're wrong. Murder has a clear definition, and it doesn't involve ending the life of a non-human for sustenance. So Bears are murderers? Surely we know they are omnivores capable of getting their sustenance from plant life but they sure do like to eat other animals such as fish.

The answer is no, murder is legally defined as

. the killing of a human being by a sane person, with intent, malice aforethought (prior intention to kill the particular victim or anyone who gets in the way) and with no legal excuse or authority.

Don't worry though we all know the reality of the situation is that you you simply couldn't resist talking about being a vegan on an MMORPG's webforum.

Bears don't like to eat other animals such as fish. Bear like to eat berries. They eat the fish because when they come out of hibernation there are no berries to eat yet but "LOOK! hey theres all these fish. Fish aren't berries but it sure beats starving to death waiting for the berries to bloom. Guess i'll eat some fish for now." And as soon as there are berries to eat they go eat them instead.

Bears are omnivores. It isn't about "liking to eat fish" or not. It's about what nutrition they need to survive at certain times of the year, and what food is plentiful. They'll eat carrion and young deer or moose if it's available as well. A bear isn't going to pass up a meal just because berries are in season. Meat is an important source of protein and fat for an animal like a bear. They'll eat it at any time if they come across it. Certainly they gorge themselves on berries when they are in season, but if there is an opportunity to eat meat, they'll also do that.

Kalik_Gold · March 2020

On an alt you can skip tutorial. Then crafting achievements until 10 (or with writs til 50) Join Battlegrounds as a Healer til 50.

Then Heal end game dungeons or PvP.

Not sure if the current tutorial requires killing. (Alts can skip it)

Sylvermynx · March 2020

Kalik_Gold wrote: »

Not sure if the current tutorial requires killing. (Alts can skip it)

The Elseweyr tutorial requires killing one individual to free certain others. The "end boss" requires being damaged, but gets "called away" before you have to try to kill it.

Magenpie · March 2020

I've just been running around in the world on my lvl 20 Argonian, wearing 5 Night's Silence and 5 Darloc Brae - no Thieves Guild/Dark Brotherhood skills, and I've easily avoided combat. Most things don't see me or have time to tag me. If they do, I sprint away.

This is perfectly doable.

bmnoble · March 2020

Magenpie wrote: »

bmnoble wrote: »

I am assuming you mean Murdering or stealing, those are completely optional, stealing though you may still do on accident due to the way random stuff is placed in towns.

If you meant killing as in you don't want to kill anything at all, try puzzle games, get a deck of cards instead maybe.

Why? This is an RPG. If the OP wishes to wander the world without killing things, why can't they give it a go. Stop the gatekeeping. People can play how they bloody well like.

So I gave a realistic response based on how the game actually is and not based on a marketing slogan to get people to buy the game.

Even if you played stealth the mobs in the game are placed to get in your way and force you to kill them on almost every single quest objective in the game, this is not a single player RPG with a no kill route built into it and those are few and far between even in single player games, simple reality is your going to have to kill enemies to actually play the game and enjoy the lore if you into that.

Sure they can skip the tutorial to avoid killing anything there, sure they could go out and explore the world running from every enemy mob, they could gather mats, to sell in guild traders, to make gold and do daily crafting writs to make more gold.

Sure you could run around healing people in Cyrodiil or dungeons but it will take a very long time to reach a high level and groups tend to like the healer to do some damage not necessarily a lot but some.

There are very few quests that don't have killing enemies as part of it, either as part of the quest or in the way of the quest objective.

Playing without killing enemy mobs will prevent you from doing a lot of the content and to me that would defeat the purpose of having bought the game for the most part.

Is it theoretically possible to play without killing anything yes, would it actually be fun due to stopping yourself from doing most of the content that attracts players to the game since the game was not built with that in mind? That is up to the player.

Magenpie · March 2020

bmnoble wrote: »

Magenpie wrote: »

bmnoble wrote: »

I am assuming you mean Murdering or stealing, those are completely optional, stealing though you may still do on accident due to the way random stuff is placed in towns.

If you meant killing as in you don't want to kill anything at all, try puzzle games, get a deck of cards instead maybe.

Why? This is an RPG. If the OP wishes to wander the world without killing things, why can't they give it a go. Stop the gatekeeping. People can play how they bloody well like.

So I gave a realistic response based on how the game actually is and not based on a marketing slogan to get people to buy the game.

Even if you played stealth the mobs in the game are placed to get in your way and force you to kill them on almost every single quest objective in the game, this is not a single player RPG with a no kill route built into it and those are few and far between even in single player games, simple reality is your going to have to kill enemies to actually play the game and enjoy the lore if you into that.

Sure they can skip the tutorial to avoid killing anything there, sure they could go out and explore the world running from every enemy mob, they could gather mats, to sell in guild traders, to make gold and do daily crafting writs to make more gold.

Sure you could run around healing people in Cyrodiil or dungeons but it will take a very long time to reach a high level and groups tend to like the healer to do some damage not necessarily a lot but some.

There are very few quests that don't have killing enemies as part of it, either as part of the quest or in the way of the quest objective.

Playing without killing enemy mobs will prevent you from doing a lot of the content and to me that would defeat the purpose of having bought the game for the most part.

Is it theoretically possible to play without killing anything yes, would it actually be fun due to stopping yourself from doing most of the content that attracts players to the game since the game was not built with that in mind? That is up to the player.

If you look at the title of the thread it's 'How to..' not 'Can I...' 'Should I...' The OP was asking for creative ideas to help them out, and instead of putting their brains to work, many people responded with grumpy negativity about whether this was the right game for them. This *is* the right game for them, as you've so rightly pointed out, it's up to them whether they want to play that way. Your rather snarky comment about packs of cards shows you weren't taking that position to begin with.

exeeter702 · March 2020

You dont

Sylvermynx · March 2020

Magenpie wrote: »

bmnoble wrote: »

Magenpie wrote: »

bmnoble wrote: »

I am assuming you mean Murdering or stealing, those are completely optional, stealing though you may still do on accident due to the way random stuff is placed in towns.

If you meant killing as in you don't want to kill anything at all, try puzzle games, get a deck of cards instead maybe.

Why? This is an RPG. If the OP wishes to wander the world without killing things, why can't they give it a go. Stop the gatekeeping. People can play how they bloody well like.

So I gave a realistic response based on how the game actually is and not based on a marketing slogan to get people to buy the game.

Even if you played stealth the mobs in the game are placed to get in your way and force you to kill them on almost every single quest objective in the game, this is not a single player RPG with a no kill route built into it and those are few and far between even in single player games, simple reality is your going to have to kill enemies to actually play the game and enjoy the lore if you into that.

Sure they can skip the tutorial to avoid killing anything there, sure they could go out and explore the world running from every enemy mob, they could gather mats, to sell in guild traders, to make gold and do daily crafting writs to make more gold.

Sure you could run around healing people in Cyrodiil or dungeons but it will take a very long time to reach a high level and groups tend to like the healer to do some damage not necessarily a lot but some.

There are very few quests that don't have killing enemies as part of it, either as part of the quest or in the way of the quest objective.

Playing without killing enemy mobs will prevent you from doing a lot of the content and to me that would defeat the purpose of having bought the game for the most part.

Is it theoretically possible to play without killing anything yes, would it actually be fun due to stopping yourself from doing most of the content that attracts players to the game since the game was not built with that in mind? That is up to the player.

If you look at the title of the thread it's 'How to..' not 'Can I...' 'Should I...' The OP was asking for creative ideas to help them out, and instead of putting their brains to work, many people responded with grumpy negativity about whether this was the right game for them. This *is* the right game for them, as you've so rightly pointed out, it's up to them whether they want to play that way. Your rather snarky comment about packs of cards shows you weren't taking that position to begin with.

Yes, I quite agree with you.

Those who are denigrating the OP for "not wanting to play the game in the fun way".... really, people - there's not much fun in killing your way through a game (well.... unless you've all got "other issues").

It's really a total bummer that none of these games can provide an experience that goes beyond mindlessly killing the "bad guys".

I'd pay ten times my two subs for a game that could produce something besides "it's a daedra - KILL IT".

TheShadowScout · March 2020

Magenpie wrote: »

I've just been running around in the world on my lvl 20 Argonian, wearing 5 Night's Silence and 5 Darloc Brae - no Thieves Guild/Dark Brotherhood skills, and I've easily avoided combat. Most things don't see me or have time to tag me. If they do, I sprint away.

This is perfectly doable.

True enough.

But then there are those pesky quests that go like "kill those mobs until one of them drops..." or all those midbosses you need to do in to advance...
No matter what "crative ideas" you get, you cannot actually play most of the game without at least some killings. (Personally I use the headcanon that my non-violent characters walk up to those midbosses and start talking to find a "reasonable solution" - and then end up defending themselves when the darn NPC just won't listen!

)

You can however try to restrict yourself to only those times when you -absolutely- have to end some NPC (and like I said before, let your daedra/bear do the maiming...). Like run away from lots of mobs, or sneak past them (with or without NB invisibility), or many other ideas.

Sylvermynx wrote: »

It's really a total bummer that none of these games can provide an experience that goes beyond mindlessly killing the "bad guys".

True, and I -love- some of the questings where you have to do something -without- killing anyone. Even if its usually an optional thing... heck, with some characters I consider it a point of pride to sneak past a lot of "normal" mobs!

And yes, we do have those quests as well.

Heck, sometimes I wish that -many- quests had not one railroad setup, but... multiple options. Like... "there is the plot, there is the roadblock... you can fight your way through, or sneak your way past, or charm your way through with a disguise and some fast talking..." - I wish we had that sort of thing in ESO, multiple choices for one problem.
Alas.

Sylvermynx · March 2020

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Magenpie wrote: »

I've just been running around in the world on my lvl 20 Argonian, wearing 5 Night's Silence and 5 Darloc Brae - no Thieves Guild/Dark Brotherhood skills, and I've easily avoided combat. Most things don't see me or have time to tag me. If they do, I sprint away.

This is perfectly doable.

True enough.

But then there are those pesky quests that go like "kill those mobs until one of them drops..." or all those midbosses you need to do in to advance...
No matter what "crative ideas" you get, you cannot actually play most of the game without at least some killings. (Personally I use the headcanon that my non-violent characters walk up to those midbosses and start talking to find a "reasonable solution" - and then end up defending themselves when the darn NPC just won't listen! )

You can however try to restrict yourself to only those times when you -absolutely- have to end some NPC (and like I said before, let your daedra/bear do the maiming...). Like run away from lots of mobs, or sneak past them (with or without NB invisibility), or many other ideas.

Sylvermynx wrote: »

It's really a total bummer that none of these games can provide an experience that goes beyond mindlessly killing the "bad guys".

True, and I -love- some of the questings where you have to do something -without- killing anyone. Even if its usually an optional thing... heck, with some characters I consider it a point of pride to sneak past a lot of "normal" mobs!

And yes, we do have those quests as well.

Heck, sometimes I wish that -many- quests had not one railroad setup, but... multiple options. Like... "there is the plot, there is the roadblock... you can fight your way through, or sneak your way past, or charm your way through with a disguise and some fast talking..." - I wish we had that sort of thing in ESO, multiple choices for one problem.
Alas.

Oh I am SO with you there! When I think back to the incredible amount of time I spent creating ways for the kids to NOT HAVE TO KILL STUFF just for XP.... You know, not one of them ever said to me even years later - gosh, it would have been so much easier to just kill our way through the castle.... So maybe that's validation by - hmmm - not sure what you'd call it....

Anyway, while I love playing FCRPGs (and occasionally I love playing MMORPGs) in general, I find the "kill it ALL" thing to be limiting and unimaginative. Were I 30 years younger (or maybe.... 40), I might have a whack at doing it differently. But now.... well, I'm not sure even how to start "going there". I can still manage the websites I have.... but goddess forbid someone decides they want all the "new bells and whistles". I'm good with security - for which my remaining clients are thankful....

Linaleah · March 2020

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Magenpie wrote: »

bmnoble wrote: »

Magenpie wrote: »

bmnoble wrote: »

I am assuming you mean Murdering or stealing, those are completely optional, stealing though you may still do on accident due to the way random stuff is placed in towns.

If you meant killing as in you don't want to kill anything at all, try puzzle games, get a deck of cards instead maybe.

Why? This is an RPG. If the OP wishes to wander the world without killing things, why can't they give it a go. Stop the gatekeeping. People can play how they bloody well like.

So I gave a realistic response based on how the game actually is and not based on a marketing slogan to get people to buy the game.

Even if you played stealth the mobs in the game are placed to get in your way and force you to kill them on almost every single quest objective in the game, this is not a single player RPG with a no kill route built into it and those are few and far between even in single player games, simple reality is your going to have to kill enemies to actually play the game and enjoy the lore if you into that.

Sure they can skip the tutorial to avoid killing anything there, sure they could go out and explore the world running from every enemy mob, they could gather mats, to sell in guild traders, to make gold and do daily crafting writs to make more gold.

Sure you could run around healing people in Cyrodiil or dungeons but it will take a very long time to reach a high level and groups tend to like the healer to do some damage not necessarily a lot but some.

There are very few quests that don't have killing enemies as part of it, either as part of the quest or in the way of the quest objective.

Playing without killing enemy mobs will prevent you from doing a lot of the content and to me that would defeat the purpose of having bought the game for the most part.

Is it theoretically possible to play without killing anything yes, would it actually be fun due to stopping yourself from doing most of the content that attracts players to the game since the game was not built with that in mind? That is up to the player.

If you look at the title of the thread it's 'How to..' not 'Can I...' 'Should I...' The OP was asking for creative ideas to help them out, and instead of putting their brains to work, many people responded with grumpy negativity about whether this was the right game for them. This *is* the right game for them, as you've so rightly pointed out, it's up to them whether they want to play that way. Your rather snarky comment about packs of cards shows you weren't taking that position to begin with.

Yes, I quite agree with you.

Those who are denigrating the OP for "not wanting to play the game in the fun way".... really, people - there's not much fun in killing your way through a game (well.... unless you've all got "other issues").

It's really a total bummer that none of these games can provide an experience that goes beyond mindlessly killing the "bad guys".

I'd pay ten times my two subs for a game that could produce something besides "it's a daedra - KILL IT".

Elder scrolls game? or any game? because there are plenty nonviolent games or at least games that offer a non violent path. I'm not sure how possible it is to create an Elder scrolls game that doesn't somehow come around to combat of some sort. a puzzle game deciphering elder scrolls or something, or maybe archaeological expedition of sorts (though it seems like even those keep running into dwemer constructs, or various zombies or looters and whatnot)

that said... denigrating people who enjoy combat and realize that this is a video game not real life and all these npcs we kill are just pixels is no better then denigrating OP for trying to do something different.

its a video game. its not that serious.

thissocalledflower · March 2020

Magenpie wrote: »

bmnoble wrote: »

Magenpie wrote: »

bmnoble wrote: »

I am assuming you mean Murdering or stealing, those are completely optional, stealing though you may still do on accident due to the way random stuff is placed in towns.

If you meant killing as in you don't want to kill anything at all, try puzzle games, get a deck of cards instead maybe.

Why? This is an RPG. If the OP wishes to wander the world without killing things, why can't they give it a go. Stop the gatekeeping. People can play how they bloody well like.

So I gave a realistic response based on how the game actually is and not based on a marketing slogan to get people to buy the game.

Even if you played stealth the mobs in the game are placed to get in your way and force you to kill them on almost every single quest objective in the game, this is not a single player RPG with a no kill route built into it and those are few and far between even in single player games, simple reality is your going to have to kill enemies to actually play the game and enjoy the lore if you into that.

Sure they can skip the tutorial to avoid killing anything there, sure they could go out and explore the world running from every enemy mob, they could gather mats, to sell in guild traders, to make gold and do daily crafting writs to make more gold.

Sure you could run around healing people in Cyrodiil or dungeons but it will take a very long time to reach a high level and groups tend to like the healer to do some damage not necessarily a lot but some.

There are very few quests that don't have killing enemies as part of it, either as part of the quest or in the way of the quest objective.

Playing without killing enemy mobs will prevent you from doing a lot of the content and to me that would defeat the purpose of having bought the game for the most part.

Is it theoretically possible to play without killing anything yes, would it actually be fun due to stopping yourself from doing most of the content that attracts players to the game since the game was not built with that in mind? That is up to the player.

If you look at the title of the thread it's 'How to..' not 'Can I...' 'Should I...' The OP was asking for creative ideas to help them out, and instead of putting their brains to work, many people responded with grumpy negativity about whether this was the right game for them. This *is* the right game for them, as you've so rightly pointed out, it's up to them whether they want to play that way. Your rather snarky comment about packs of cards shows you weren't taking that position to begin with.

Thank you!

thissocalledflower · March 2020

Linaleah wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Magenpie wrote: »

bmnoble wrote: »

Magenpie wrote: »

bmnoble wrote: »

I am assuming you mean Murdering or stealing, those are completely optional, stealing though you may still do on accident due to the way random stuff is placed in towns.

If you meant killing as in you don't want to kill anything at all, try puzzle games, get a deck of cards instead maybe.

Why? This is an RPG. If the OP wishes to wander the world without killing things, why can't they give it a go. Stop the gatekeeping. People can play how they bloody well like.

So I gave a realistic response based on how the game actually is and not based on a marketing slogan to get people to buy the game.

Even if you played stealth the mobs in the game are placed to get in your way and force you to kill them on almost every single quest objective in the game, this is not a single player RPG with a no kill route built into it and those are few and far between even in single player games, simple reality is your going to have to kill enemies to actually play the game and enjoy the lore if you into that.

Sure they can skip the tutorial to avoid killing anything there, sure they could go out and explore the world running from every enemy mob, they could gather mats, to sell in guild traders, to make gold and do daily crafting writs to make more gold.

Sure you could run around healing people in Cyrodiil or dungeons but it will take a very long time to reach a high level and groups tend to like the healer to do some damage not necessarily a lot but some.

There are very few quests that don't have killing enemies as part of it, either as part of the quest or in the way of the quest objective.

Playing without killing enemy mobs will prevent you from doing a lot of the content and to me that would defeat the purpose of having bought the game for the most part.

Is it theoretically possible to play without killing anything yes, would it actually be fun due to stopping yourself from doing most of the content that attracts players to the game since the game was not built with that in mind? That is up to the player.

If you look at the title of the thread it's 'How to..' not 'Can I...' 'Should I...' The OP was asking for creative ideas to help them out, and instead of putting their brains to work, many people responded with grumpy negativity about whether this was the right game for them. This *is* the right game for them, as you've so rightly pointed out, it's up to them whether they want to play that way. Your rather snarky comment about packs of cards shows you weren't taking that position to begin with.

Yes, I quite agree with you.

Those who are denigrating the OP for "not wanting to play the game in the fun way".... really, people - there's not much fun in killing your way through a game (well.... unless you've all got "other issues").

It's really a total bummer that none of these games can provide an experience that goes beyond mindlessly killing the "bad guys".

I'd pay ten times my two subs for a game that could produce something besides "it's a daedra - KILL IT".

Elder scrolls game? or any game? because there are plenty nonviolent games or at least games that offer a non violent path. I'm not sure how possible it is to create an Elder scrolls game that doesn't somehow come around to combat of some sort. a puzzle game deciphering elder scrolls or something, or maybe archaeological expedition of sorts (though it seems like even those keep running into dwemer constructs, or various zombies or looters and whatnot)

that said... denigrating people who enjoy combat and realize that this is a video game not real life and all these npcs we kill are just pixels is no better then denigrating OP for trying to do something different.

its a video game. its not that serious.

They were not denigrating the people who enjoy combat. They were standing up for my right to ask a question and not be abused by people in their reply. Please understand the difference.

thissocalledflower · March 2020

Sylvermynx wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Magenpie wrote: »

I've just been running around in the world on my lvl 20 Argonian, wearing 5 Night's Silence and 5 Darloc Brae - no Thieves Guild/Dark Brotherhood skills, and I've easily avoided combat. Most things don't see me or have time to tag me. If they do, I sprint away.

This is perfectly doable.

True enough.

But then there are those pesky quests that go like "kill those mobs until one of them drops..." or all those midbosses you need to do in to advance...
No matter what "crative ideas" you get, you cannot actually play most of the game without at least some killings. (Personally I use the headcanon that my non-violent characters walk up to those midbosses and start talking to find a "reasonable solution" - and then end up defending themselves when the darn NPC just won't listen! )

You can however try to restrict yourself to only those times when you -absolutely- have to end some NPC (and like I said before, let your daedra/bear do the maiming...). Like run away from lots of mobs, or sneak past them (with or without NB invisibility), or many other ideas.

Sylvermynx wrote: »

It's really a total bummer that none of these games can provide an experience that goes beyond mindlessly killing the "bad guys".

True, and I -love- some of the questings where you have to do something -without- killing anyone. Even if its usually an optional thing... heck, with some characters I consider it a point of pride to sneak past a lot of "normal" mobs!

And yes, we do have those quests as well.

Heck, sometimes I wish that -many- quests had not one railroad setup, but... multiple options. Like... "there is the plot, there is the roadblock... you can fight your way through, or sneak your way past, or charm your way through with a disguise and some fast talking..." - I wish we had that sort of thing in ESO, multiple choices for one problem.
Alas.

Oh I am SO with you there! When I think back to the incredible amount of time I spent creating ways for the kids to NOT HAVE TO KILL STUFF just for XP.... You know, not one of them ever said to me even years later - gosh, it would have been so much easier to just kill our way through the castle.... So maybe that's validation by - hmmm - not sure what you'd call it....

Anyway, while I love playing FCRPGs (and occasionally I love playing MMORPGs) in general, I find the "kill it ALL" thing to be limiting and unimaginative. Were I 30 years younger (or maybe.... 40), I might have a whack at doing it differently. But now.... well, I'm not sure even how to start "going there". I can still manage the websites I have.... but goddess forbid someone decides they want all the "new bells and whistles". I'm good with security - for which my remaining clients are thankful....

Just wanted to say i appreciate your contribution to this thread.

CassandraGemini · March 2020

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Magenpie wrote: »

bmnoble wrote: »

Magenpie wrote: »

bmnoble wrote: »

I am assuming you mean Murdering or stealing, those are completely optional, stealing though you may still do on accident due to the way random stuff is placed in towns.

If you meant killing as in you don't want to kill anything at all, try puzzle games, get a deck of cards instead maybe.

Why? This is an RPG. If the OP wishes to wander the world without killing things, why can't they give it a go. Stop the gatekeeping. People can play how they bloody well like.

So I gave a realistic response based on how the game actually is and not based on a marketing slogan to get people to buy the game.

Even if you played stealth the mobs in the game are placed to get in your way and force you to kill them on almost every single quest objective in the game, this is not a single player RPG with a no kill route built into it and those are few and far between even in single player games, simple reality is your going to have to kill enemies to actually play the game and enjoy the lore if you into that.

Sure they can skip the tutorial to avoid killing anything there, sure they could go out and explore the world running from every enemy mob, they could gather mats, to sell in guild traders, to make gold and do daily crafting writs to make more gold.

Sure you could run around healing people in Cyrodiil or dungeons but it will take a very long time to reach a high level and groups tend to like the healer to do some damage not necessarily a lot but some.

There are very few quests that don't have killing enemies as part of it, either as part of the quest or in the way of the quest objective.

Playing without killing enemy mobs will prevent you from doing a lot of the content and to me that would defeat the purpose of having bought the game for the most part.

Is it theoretically possible to play without killing anything yes, would it actually be fun due to stopping yourself from doing most of the content that attracts players to the game since the game was not built with that in mind? That is up to the player.

If you look at the title of the thread it's 'How to..' not 'Can I...' 'Should I...' The OP was asking for creative ideas to help them out, and instead of putting their brains to work, many people responded with grumpy negativity about whether this was the right game for them. This *is* the right game for them, as you've so rightly pointed out, it's up to them whether they want to play that way. Your rather snarky comment about packs of cards shows you weren't taking that position to begin with.

Yes, I quite agree with you.

Those who are denigrating the OP for "not wanting to play the game in the fun way".... really, people - there's not much fun in killing your way through a game (well.... unless you've all got "other issues").

It's really a total bummer that none of these games can provide an experience that goes beyond mindlessly killing the "bad guys".

I'd pay ten times my two subs for a game that could produce something besides "it's a daedra - KILL IT".

I don't think it was exactly meant like that, even though I have to agree that most people weren't very diplomatic in uttering their opinions. The thing is just that there are many games out there where you actually can go the whole game without killing anyone and it is just as viable as murdering everything left, right and center. Most stealth-based games come to mind, like the Deus Ex series for example, where there are even specific achievements for being "pacifist" throughout the whole game. This is often more challenging and fun than to just shoot or otherwise kill everyone, and I always go for this approach in these kinds of games, because they're meant for that and you neither limit yourself by doing it nor do you miss any content. Other games like the very unique Death Stranding don't require you to kill anyone either, that's not even what the gameplay is all about and you're not encouraged to kill by the game itself.

ESO, though, is absolutely not built this way and you limit your own gameplay options severely by choosing to not ever kill anyone. Sure, you can see it as a challenge just to see if it's possible, but since there are so many things and quests you absolutely won't be able to do, because not everything can be solved by sneaking past the enemies, you will definitely miss out on a lot of content - which is, I believe, what most people were referring to (although, as I said, I agree that to just blatantly say "go play a card game" or something along those lines is not the right way to go about this).

ItsMeToo · March 2020

BoraxFlux wrote: »

What do you want to achieve in game?

You could try farming nodes, treasure chests, crafting writs, fishing, sell stuff, crafting, housing, grouping up with others that don't mind you only heal & buff.

Dress to escape, e.g. invisibility potions, swift potions.

Fishing involves killing bait and fish. Therefore, fishing is out.

ItsMeToo · March 2020

ItsMeToo wrote: »

BoraxFlux wrote: »

What do you want to achieve in game?

You could try farming nodes, treasure chests, crafting writs, fishing, sell stuff, crafting, housing, grouping up with others that don't mind you only heal & buff.

Dress to escape, e.g. invisibility potions, swift potions.

Fishing involves killing bait and fish. Therefore, fishing is out.

Also, picking flowers will kill them. So, you can't do that.

ItsMeToo · March 2020

ItsMeToo wrote: »

ItsMeToo wrote: »

BoraxFlux wrote: »

What do you want to achieve in game?

You could try farming nodes, treasure chests, crafting writs, fishing, sell stuff, crafting, housing, grouping up with others that don't mind you only heal & buff.

Dress to escape, e.g. invisibility potions, swift potions.

Fishing involves killing bait and fish. Therefore, fishing is out.

Also, picking flowers will kill them. So, you can't do that.

You can't heal or buff others, because then you will be an accessary to killing and stealing.

Treasure Chests are locked, so you are stealing from someone.

Crafting Writs involve using things that were alive at one time, so that is out. Then your reward is killing flowers most of the time.

harold12 · March 2020

I've always been a "hero" I don't like playing the villain in video games.

The *only* thing I steal are recipes lol

mague · March 2020

Khajiit Nightblade. Build for sneak and cloak. Khajiit is fun, but any other race will do. Just NB is important.

You can do Mageguild daylies because the NB is the most pacifist class and can go everywhere. It might be that you have to wait till someone clears the boss to get the artefact. But quite some Sheo artefacts are obtainable without combat.

You cant get a lot shards and books. Even in delves and public dungeons without combat.

Daily crafting will bring you to 50@810 after quite some dailies

But it works and it pays well.

Almost all zones are reachable. Discovery will help to level. Maybe some helps to port to the unreachable zones and towers.

Chests will help you to get something to decon and to learn traits.

Fishing will make you money.