brandonv516 wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Tried something new recently. Decided not to go "all in" as a healer and found that I am having more fun doing both healing and damage.



Still getting used to the setup:

5 New Moon Acolyte (Front bar infused inferno)
5 Bright Throat Roast
1 Willpower (Back bar defending resto)
2 Troll King

It's a lot more dangerous than what I'm used to (healing now in light armor), and I definitely need to practice more discipline with spamming Offering.

Quit changing your GT lmao you msgd me and had no clue who it was. I just theorycrafted the ultimate mag build, works for most but great on magblade and magden. I’ll msg you.

Seems very good from what I could see. I still don't see myself trading out Shadowy Disguise for Dark Cloak anytime soon though.

I'm really just happy that I've successfully moved on from Caluurions and I'm now "proc set free"!

Iskiab wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

I'm actually going to finish my Necro to 50 the next two days. Still going to play my Magblade though but I see a lot of potential in Magcro.

I’ve seen a couple decent magcros.
The ones who did well looked pretty straight forward too: keep the pet up that absorbs 10% damage, S&B back bar, be a bit tanky and lure people into beating on you while setting them up for a burst. Sort of like a DK.

I’ve switched factions again so am back to having all mag classes except magnecro, I don’t have a lot of experience with them.

SpiderCultist wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

I'm actually going to finish my Necro to 50 the next two days. Still going to play my Magblade though but I see a lot of potential in Magcro.

I’ve seen a couple decent magcros.
The ones who did well looked pretty straight forward too: keep the pet up that absorbs 10% damage, S&B back bar, be a bit tanky and lure people into beating on you while setting them up for a burst. Sort of like a DK.

I’ve switched factions again so am back to having all mag classes except magnecro, I don’t have a lot of experience with them.

Yeah this guy makes it work really well:

https://xbox-clips.com/Wurdawoozlewznt/

on pc you'll be dead in 2 secs with that setup: bs, succession and necro w/ or without harmony

magcros are trash, even worse than magblades

ThePedge wrote: »

Interested in trying the new stacks monster set. If you fear then apply 5th stack it should be un-dodgeable proc stronger than caluurions

brandonv516 wrote: »

ThePedge wrote: »

Interested in trying the new stacks monster set. If you fear then apply 5th stack it should be un-dodgeable proc stronger than caluurions

Could probably include updated Galerion's set too:

https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Galerion's+Revenge+Set

ThePedge wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

ThePedge wrote: »

Interested in trying the new stacks monster set. If you fear then apply 5th stack it should be un-dodgeable proc stronger than caluurions

Same, seems like a good set for magden and magblades. Only issue will be needing to do PvE. I don’t dread getting the helm, it’s farming the shoulders I’m not looking forward to.

I got lucky and got impen heavy shoulders on 3rd box. Need to get myself a medium helm but can run 5/0/2 for the meantime.

Going to test it over the weekend, currently I wear Zaan and while it's obviously good, being limited to melee doesn't always work out with avoiding AoEs to cloak

Langeston wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

I’ve been running Destro / resto b/c melee magblade has been in the gutter, but I keep really really wanting to run melee & have it be a thing again!

So I’m thinking of seeing how much damage I can pump out while still committing to impen trait. I’ve been wearing new moon with willpower, if I were to get my pen from onslaught what ideas does everyone think for sets & how much damage is really capable?
Also I’m not a fan of elemental weapon so I probably won’t use that.

If you intend to rely entirely on onslaught for penetration you might be able to get away with Pelinal's/Clever Alchemist/Kena or Balorgh w/infused weapon damage jewelry in medium, or you could go with all spell damage in heavy, especially if you're running Dark Cloak instead of Shadowy Disguise. I particularly like the idea of running medium for the [up to] 25% increase in sprint speed (although you'd be missing out on the spell critical from running 5 light in either scenario.) Neither of those would work with my playstyle as it's pretty inefficient & the mag regen wouldn't be enough, but it may work for you. You could try running light, but I feel like your resistances would just be way too low to be able to play melee effectively. There's really no great solution I don't think, tbh.

Do you have the PTS installed? That would be the easiest & cheapest way for you to decide if any of those setups would work for you.

[edit] You could also consider doing a hybrid melee/ranged build, where you Lotus Fan in & hit them with Onslaught, then Shade back out & take them out from range. In that case, you could do all light & just go max spell damage or max mag (BTB or Crafty/Necropotence/1 Domi/1 Grothdarr/Mage Mundus will give you ~60k magicka) so you can keep the spell critical.

Iskiab wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

I’ve been running Destro / resto b/c melee magblade has been in the gutter, but I keep really really wanting to run melee & have it be a thing again!

So I’m thinking of seeing how much damage I can pump out while still committing to impen trait. I’ve been wearing new moon with willpower, if I were to get my pen from onslaught what ideas does everyone think for sets & how much damage is really capable?
Also I’m not a fan of elemental weapon so I probably won’t use that.

If you intend to rely entirely on onslaught for penetration you might be able to get away with Pelinal's/Clever Alchemist/Kena or Balorgh w/infused weapon damage jewelry in medium, or you could go with all spell damage in heavy, especially if you're running Dark Cloak instead of Shadowy Disguise. I particularly like the idea of running medium for the [up to] 25% increase in sprint speed (although you'd be missing out on the spell critical from running 5 light in either scenario.) Neither of those would work with my playstyle as it's pretty inefficient & the mag regen wouldn't be enough, but it may work for you. You could try running light, but I feel like your resistances would just be way too low to be able to play melee effectively. There's really no great solution I don't think, tbh.

Do you have the PTS installed? That would be the easiest & cheapest way for you to decide if any of those setups would work for you.

[edit] You could also consider doing a hybrid melee/ranged build, where you Lotus Fan in & hit them with Onslaught, then Shade back out & take them out from range. In that case, you could do all light & just go max spell damage or max mag (BTB or Crafty/Necropotence/1 Domi/1 Grothdarr/Mage Mundus will give you ~60k magicka) so you can keep the spell critical.

I don’t have room for PTS atm.
Not planning on running pelinials.
I can have some pen from 5 light but just wondering about a bit of a gank build so kena might not work as it requires 2 light attacks & clever alch requires you to be in combat first I thought.

Has anyone tested this:
Scathing Mage:
This set no longer considers the first tick of each Damage over Time as Direct Damage.
This set no longer requires Critical Strikes to proc.
Reduced the duration and cooldown to 5 seconds from 6 seconds.

If you proc’d Scathing off a heavy attack from stealth would this be a thing?
Scathing + new moon could be a good bit of dmg

If you want to setup a gank build I’d stick with something similar to Fred’s build: Caluurion + new proc monster set + BTB/Darloc.

I tested scathing mage as a magplar and didn’t like it, the uptime was low and that’s with sweeps hitting 4x per second. Magplars should have the highest chance to proc it.

Melee sucks on magblade because of aoe spam for cloak blades and lack of self healing/mitigation for dark cloak builds. Almost every stam is running onslaught or leap, so a magblade will get eaten up trying melee.

I run Caluurion on mine as a healer/dps and it works okayish. I basicly heal and then when my ult’s up I kite over my trap - meteor - cloak up - and go for a Caluurion proc. I don’t even use soul harvest, I’m too squishy and melee range is a risk every time I get close for Caluurion.

These days with dizzy stunning, onslaught, etc... I try not to melee as a magplar, and that’s a class with far better self healing and defense.

kaithuzar wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

I’ve been running Destro / resto b/c melee magblade has been in the gutter, but I keep really really wanting to run melee & have it be a thing again!

So I’m thinking of seeing how much damage I can pump out while still committing to impen trait. I’ve been wearing new moon with willpower, if I were to get my pen from onslaught what ideas does everyone think for sets & how much damage is really capable?
Also I’m not a fan of elemental weapon so I probably won’t use that.

If you intend to rely entirely on onslaught for penetration you might be able to get away with Pelinal's/Clever Alchemist/Kena or Balorgh w/infused weapon damage jewelry in medium, or you could go with all spell damage in heavy, especially if you're running Dark Cloak instead of Shadowy Disguise. I particularly like the idea of running medium for the [up to] 25% increase in sprint speed (although you'd be missing out on the spell critical from running 5 light in either scenario.) Neither of those would work with my playstyle as it's pretty inefficient & the mag regen wouldn't be enough, but it may work for you. You could try running light, but I feel like your resistances would just be way too low to be able to play melee effectively. There's really no great solution I don't think, tbh.

Do you have the PTS installed? That would be the easiest & cheapest way for you to decide if any of those setups would work for you.

[edit] You could also consider doing a hybrid melee/ranged build, where you Lotus Fan in & hit them with Onslaught, then Shade back out & take them out from range. In that case, you could do all light & just go max spell damage or max mag (BTB or Crafty/Necropotence/1 Domi/1 Grothdarr/Mage Mundus will give you ~60k magicka) so you can keep the spell critical.

I don’t have room for PTS atm.
Not planning on running pelinials.
I can have some pen from 5 light but just wondering about a bit of a gank build so kena might not work as it requires 2 light attacks & clever alch requires you to be in combat first I thought.

Has anyone tested this:
Scathing Mage:
This set no longer considers the first tick of each Damage over Time as Direct Damage.
This set no longer requires Critical Strikes to proc.
Reduced the duration and cooldown to 5 seconds from 6 seconds.

If you proc’d Scathing off a heavy attack from stealth would this be a thing?
Scathing + new moon could be a good bit of dmg

mav1234 wrote: »

Cloak feels even less reliable this patch, bleh.

Not really sure what to run these days. I miss the melee magblade playstyle. Most things I try seem too squishy to manage these days. Has anyone tried heavy magblade? Something like shackle/btb/zaan in heavy maybe with a 2h?
edit: nma would be nice in place of shackle there, but I feel like sustain would be an issue...

mav1234 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

mav1234 wrote: »

Cloak feels even less reliable this patch, bleh.

Not really sure what to run these days. I miss the melee magblade playstyle. Most things I try seem too squishy to manage these days. Has anyone tried heavy magblade? Something like shackle/btb/zaan in heavy maybe with a 2h?
edit: nma would be nice in place of shackle there, but I feel like sustain would be an issue...

Haven’t tried it, but I was thinking of trying it but run into the problems designing it as a magblade.

There really isn’t a good source of major sorcery or prophesy in the class toolkit so you can’t run tri-pots, plus mag in general don’t have reliable self healing which makes it hard to brawl.

Yeah, I think the problem is that troll king feels necessary for magblade up in the action, but then that gives up the burst from Zaan, which I think is perfectly suited for the toolkit melee magblade has.

Maybe I'll try Buffer of the Swift instead of Heavy.

mav1234 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

You could try sap for sorcery, but I think the toolkit has been gutted too much for it to work well. How are you going to fit sap on your skill loadout?

Remember you’re also competing with stam and 4k vigor ticks. You can compete with stam in mitigation, but they’ll blow you out of the water with their self healing and sustain from heavy attacking, which is what actually makes them tanky.

Maybe 2H/resto and use onslaught. I don’t know, I usually have the most success against them with speed and not letting them heavy and making it hard to land dizzy.

Yeah, I don't know. Sap is just not a great skill. I would rather find a way to fit degen I think. Perhaps if Sap lasted much longer...but that global is too valuable to waste on sap, it feels. Ugh, it sucks. I wish that Rattlecage had better set bonuses for us, heh.

I think the 2h onslaught would bring nice burst and cover the pen weakness.

I always circle back to "if only I had stam's buffs and heals", which invariably leads to "I should try Pelinals" which leads to "ugh now I am a worse stamblade."