They want you to buy tickets from the crown store.
Working as intended, unfortunately. So no, they won't address it. It's plain cash grab. Any one can see that.
DaveMoeDee wrote: »It's math. They knew that some people would get horrible outcomes and some would get good outcomes. They understand the distribution curve of outcomes we would experience. What is there to address? They know what would happen but chose that design anyway.
The problem is their choice of design. The results are too varied from person to person for doing the same thing and the grind to overcome bad outcomes is absurdly long. And if you don't get fragments in your strongbox, what do you get? Filler or gear you can already get from other dailies. If the drop rate on second dropboxes wasn't so absurdly low, this system could have been acceptable.
huntgod_ESO wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »It's math. They knew that some people would get horrible outcomes and some would get good outcomes. They understand the distribution curve of outcomes we would experience. What is there to address? They know what would happen but chose that design anyway.
The problem is their choice of design. The results are too varied from person to person for doing the same thing and the grind to overcome bad outcomes is absurdly long. And if you don't get fragments in your strongbox, what do you get? Filler or gear you can already get from other dailies. If the drop rate on second dropboxes wasn't so absurdly low, this system could have been acceptable.
So my hope would be that they did not foresee this and that they expected the RNG to still be high enough that any player would be able to compensate for it with ticket purchased fragments. I'd also hope they didn't expect the extra box drops to be so woefully bad as to not help alleviate this as well.
So my hope, would again be that this was a Mea Culpa moment and they would take steps to address it for folks that were unable to complete the rewards, either by providing a blanket drop to them, or all players.
If this isn't the case, I want to know so I can revise my expectations moving forward, if they do this same awful RNG for the Jester's Event and the Sow, I know not to bother renewing my sub, for example.
huntgod_ESO wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »It's math. They knew that some people would get horrible outcomes and some would get good outcomes. They understand the distribution curve of outcomes we would experience. What is there to address? They know what would happen but chose that design anyway.
The problem is their choice of design. The results are too varied from person to person for doing the same thing and the grind to overcome bad outcomes is absurdly long. And if you don't get fragments in your strongbox, what do you get? Filler or gear you can already get from other dailies. If the drop rate on second dropboxes wasn't so absurdly low, this system could have been acceptable.
So my hope would be that they did not foresee this and that they expected the RNG to still be high enough that any player would be able to compensate for it with ticket purchased fragments. I'd also hope they didn't expect the extra box drops to be so woefully bad as to not help alleviate this as well.
So my hope, would again be that this was a Mea Culpa moment and they would take steps to address it for folks that were unable to complete the rewards, either by providing a blanket drop to them, or all players.
If this isn't the case, I want to know so I can revise my expectations moving forward, if they do this same awful RNG for the Jester's Event and the Sow, I know not to bother renewing my sub, for example.
huntgod_ESO wrote: »Plenty of threads about folks who had abysmal RNG and were unable to get enough fragments for the memento or pet and even with tickets were unable to purchase all the required fragments.
Do you guys have any plans to change this so that folks participating in the event can at least acquire the rewards for the event without having to spend actual money in the cash shop for your tickets?
You guys have done some things in the past I thought were questionable but this is the first time I feel like you have done something directly abusive to the player base with the designed intent to push cash shop sales of tickets as a bad run with RNG makes it impossible to earn the rewards without it.
They want you to buy tickets from the crown store.
Working as intended, unfortunately. So no, they won't address it. It's plain cash grab. Any one can see that.
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Rave the Histborn wrote: »huntgod_ESO wrote: »Plenty of threads about folks who had abysmal RNG and were unable to get enough fragments for the memento or pet and even with tickets were unable to purchase all the required fragments.
Do you guys have any plans to change this so that folks participating in the event can at least acquire the rewards for the event without having to spend actual money in the cash shop for your tickets?
You guys have done some things in the past I thought were questionable but this is the first time I feel like you have done something directly abusive to the player base with the designed intent to push cash shop sales of tickets as a bad run with RNG makes it impossible to earn the rewards without it.
Why would they change the rng? I haven't seen a post that isn't pure hyperbole or over exageration about the event
They want you to buy tickets from the crown store.
Working as intended, unfortunately. So no, they won't address it. It's plain cash grab. Any one can see that.
yeah, i have to agree with that.
we had plenty of events before, where some people were luckier then others, but that bad rng could at least be somewhat alleviated via trading between players.
this had to have been done on purpose. if you are feeling charitable, you could maybe hope that they did it to save us some bag space. but then... why make farming extra boxes and drop rates in first boxes of the day so bad?
Rave the Histborn wrote: »huntgod_ESO wrote: »Plenty of threads about folks who had abysmal RNG and were unable to get enough fragments for the memento or pet and even with tickets were unable to purchase all the required fragments.
Do you guys have any plans to change this so that folks participating in the event can at least acquire the rewards for the event without having to spend actual money in the cash shop for your tickets?
You guys have done some things in the past I thought were questionable but this is the first time I feel like you have done something directly abusive to the player base with the designed intent to push cash shop sales of tickets as a bad run with RNG makes it impossible to earn the rewards without it.
Why would they change the rng? I haven't seen a post that isn't pure hyperbole or over exageration about the event
I_am_Groot wrote: »RNG went down as planed...ZOS wants you to buy from the crown store.
I_am_Groot wrote: »RNG went down as planed...ZOS wants you to buy from the crown store.
Well, in that case, it was a total flop according to this poll:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/515033/murkmire-celebration-whats-your-final-score/p1
A total of 4% of respondents say they used pearls to get enough tickets.
I_am_Groot wrote: »RNG went down as planed...ZOS wants you to buy from the crown store.
Well, in that case, it was a total flop according to this poll:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/515033/murkmire-celebration-whats-your-final-score/p1
A total of 4% of respondents say they used pearls to get enough tickets.
VaranisArano wrote: »I_am_Groot wrote: »RNG went down as planed...ZOS wants you to buy from the crown store.
Well, in that case, it was a total flop according to this poll:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/515033/murkmire-celebration-whats-your-final-score/p1
A total of 4% of respondents say they used pearls to get enough tickets.
Mmm. 4% of 280 voters (as of last look).
There's two reasons I'm leery of drawing any conclusions about the profitability/flop of this event from ZOS' perspective from that poll.
1. As with all forum polls, its a tiny, self-selecting sample size that really has no way of being representative of the wider population of the game. We've got no idea what actual ticket sales were, just that 12 out of 280 people bought at least 1 ticket with crowns.
2. We have no idea what benchmark ZOS' accounting/marketing department may have set for expected event ticket sales from the whole playerbase. Event tickets sales are pure profit for them, so for all we know, 4% of the entire playerbase buying tickets could well be profitable enough for them to meet that benchmark.
We just don't know enough to judge whether or not it was a flop or not from ZOS' perspective.
I'm sure we'll find out when ZOS starts figuring out ticket drops and rewards for the events that come after the Anniversary.
huntgod_ESO wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »huntgod_ESO wrote: »Plenty of threads about folks who had abysmal RNG and were unable to get enough fragments for the memento or pet and even with tickets were unable to purchase all the required fragments.
Do you guys have any plans to change this so that folks participating in the event can at least acquire the rewards for the event without having to spend actual money in the cash shop for your tickets?
You guys have done some things in the past I thought were questionable but this is the first time I feel like you have done something directly abusive to the player base with the designed intent to push cash shop sales of tickets as a bad run with RNG makes it impossible to earn the rewards without it.
Why would they change the rng? I haven't seen a post that isn't pure hyperbole or over exageration about the event
Yeah I've addressed your experience in one of the other threads..."it worked for me, so it's fine" isn't really applicable, not that it ever is.
I entered the event with tickets, purchased a berry and then had to use every other ticket I got to buy fragments and still came up one short, I didn't spend the tickets frivolously, just had bad RNG which is a problem since I actively participated in the event every day and as such should have been able to get the rewards without having to purchase two tickets from the cash shop.
You got lucky, as I am sure many others did, that doesn't validate the flawed approach they took to event rewards this time around.
I_am_Groot wrote: »RNG went down as planed...ZOS wants you to buy from the crown store.
Well, in that case, it was a total flop according to this poll:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/515033/murkmire-celebration-whats-your-final-score/p1
A total of 4% of respondents say they used pearls to get enough tickets.
Kiralyn2000 wrote: »I_am_Groot wrote: »RNG went down as planed...ZOS wants you to buy from the crown store.
Well, in that case, it was a total flop according to this poll:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/515033/murkmire-celebration-whats-your-final-score/p1
A total of 4% of respondents say they used pearls to get enough tickets.
Yep.
And of course there were "lots" of threads from people complaining about bad RNG - the people who got hit with bad RNG are going to complain. The people who didn't (or don't care as strongly) have no reason to come post.
(it's been basic psychological knowledge for decades - you'll get a higher % of complaints than praise, because the people with complaints are more likely to speak up.)
...and then there's the aspect of "large populations". If something terrible happening is only a 1 in 1000 chance, that's not bad right? Ok, but you've got 2 million people doing it. Statistically, 2000 people are going to have that "1 in 1000" chance hit them. And if 500 of them come complain about it, you see a massive outcry.
(edit: reminds me of when I was playing WoW, and they added the Alchemy Masteries - or whatever it was called. 15% chance to craft a duplicate <something> that you'd specialized in. One of the specialties was a 1-a-day craft. So you get a bunch of people yelling "OMG, haven't gotten a double craft in 14 days! System broken!" And then you point out that missing 14 days of a 15% chance is something like 1 in 100k. And there were 8+ million people playing at the time. Yeah, a couple dozen people getting that run of bad luck is totally in line with the system working properly. But the forum sees a "bunch" of people all with the same complaint. Clearly, it's a deliberate screw!)
They want you to buy tickets from the crown store.
Working as intended, unfortunately. So no, they won't address it. It's plain cash grab. Any one can see that.
yeah, i have to agree with that.
we had plenty of events before, where some people were luckier then others, but that bad rng could at least be somewhat alleviated via trading between players.
this had to have been done on purpose. if you are feeling charitable, you could maybe hope that they did it to save us some bag space. but then... why make farming extra boxes and drop rates in first boxes of the day so bad?
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If something should be earned in game, it should be earned by playing the game.
If they want to sell something, it should be clear what the item costs.
In all cases they should be completely transparent about it.
Personally I couldn’t care less about the latest cash cow (or pig), but players who do deserve to be treated better.
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If something should be earned in game, it should be earned by playing the game.
If they want to sell something, it should be clear what the item costs.
In all cases they should be completely transparent about it.
Personally I couldn’t care less about the latest cash cow (or pig), but players who do deserve to be treated better.
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Depending on luck, right? I got 3 pet fragments and 2 memento fragments from opening the gold chests every single day of the event. I ended up buying 4 fragments from the Impresario to complete the pet, but was annoyed enough with this event and not excited enough about the memento to do the same, so I left it at 2 out of 7 fragments. And it bears repeating: in past events, luckier players were able to gift or trade rewards with others. That option has been removed.Rave the Histborn wrote: »[Snip]
If something should be earned in game, it should be earned by playing the game.
If they want to sell something, it should be clear what the item costs.
In all cases they should be completely transparent about it.
Personally I couldn’t care less about the latest cash cow (or pig), but players who do deserve to be treated better.
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It was earned in game
Come again? I think you're mistaking the Impresario with the clown store. The only currency they "give you" is event tickets, and those are limited. If you need more, you need clowns. And you don't get clowns for free. Whether you get them with a sub, or buy them, or trade for them with in-game gold, every clown has been paid by someone with real money.Rave the Histborn wrote: »they give you the option to buy it in the crown store and they even give you the currency to do it
Really? Do you know the drop rate for the gold boxes (outside the guaranteed 1 per day)? Do you know the drop rate for the pet/memento fragments? I personally got 5 fragments from this event, that's less than half the boxes I opened. There is exactly one thing, and one thing only, that is transparent here: the goal of driving clown sales with these events.Rave the Histborn wrote: »they can't get more transparent than that
I don't care about lots of stuff on which I have opinions. My opinions aren't valid or invalid depending on whether or not I care, and I have posted on topics about which I don't personally care one way or another.Rave the Histborn wrote: »if you couldn't care less you wouldn't be posting
RNG is RNG. Same thing that lets one player get the weapon they want on the first time they try and some other poor person is on their 20th run, one player steals a million gold pattern and some other poor person only steals 27g greenies.
Every MMO I've ever played has had RNG and everyone in every game complained about it one time or another. Hell in WOW it took me 2 years on 8 characters running once a week for Ashes of Alar. I NEVER saw the Mimiron mount drop and I took a friend in since he had never been in before and it dropped for him!
I got 3 pet fragment in 2 gold boxes a couple days before event end and ended up using tickets to complete it. I did get quite a few motifs (doing the event on 3 characters) but for the most part RNG hated me like it always does. Some people are luckier than others.
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Depending on luck, right? I got 3 pet fragments and 2 memento fragments from opening the gold chests every single day of the event. I ended up buying 4 fragments from the Impresario to complete the pet, but was annoyed enough with this event and not excited enough about the memento to do the same, so I left it at 2 out of 7 fragments. And it bears repeating: in past events, luckier players were able to gift or trade rewards with others. That option has been removed.Rave the Histborn wrote: »ZOS should grow a bigger pair and come clean.
If something should be earned in game, it should be earned by playing the game.
If they want to sell something, it should be clear what the item costs.
In all cases they should be completely transparent about it.
Personally I couldn’t care less about the latest cash cow (or pig), but players who do deserve to be treated better.
It was earned in gameCome again? I think you're mistaking the Impresario with the clown store. The only currency they "give you" is event tickets, and those are limited. If you need more, you need clowns. And you don't get clowns for free. Whether you get them with a sub, or buy them, or trade for them with in-game gold, every clown has been paid by someone with real money.Rave the Histborn wrote: »they give you the option to buy it in the crown store and they even give you the currency to do itReally? Do you know the drop rate for the gold boxes (outside the guaranteed 1 per day)? Do you know the drop rate for the pet/memento fragments? I personally got 5 fragments from this event, that's less than half the boxes I opened. There is exactly one thing, and one thing only, that is transparent here: the goal of driving clown sales with these events.Rave the Histborn wrote: »they can't get more transparent than thatI don't care about lots of stuff on which I have opinions. My opinions aren't valid or invalid depending on whether or not I care, and I have posted on topics about which I don't personally care one way or another.Rave the Histborn wrote: »if you couldn't care less you wouldn't be posting
Rave the Histborn wrote: »2) If you can't manage to figure out how to maximize your tickets that's your problem not ZOS's. They give you tons and tons of chances to get the mementos.