I played some of my fresh 50 alt magblade in BGs today.

Premades aren’t an issue in high or mid MMR, but they are in lower MMR. I kept getting games with extremely new players (multiple under CP160) against premades. I think it’s in this situation where premades are bad for the game.

I think it took me 10+ games to complete the win 3 BG quest. I kept getting bow/bow stamblades on my team against warden and DK premades, felt like we didn’t stand a chance.

An all premade queue at least for high MMR would be, extremely lame there is a reason why almost nobody actually does it (I see a few a week tbh) you end up with either a healdown of epic proportions in which people only die from DK dunk even with major and minor defiles/necro ults going out or you just get a bogged down match in which one team leeches off the others ults, it's fun for the first 5 minutes and than becomes a reminder why no real competitive games have 3 teams.

You also would have so few teams in the queue that once you see which is the strongest of the 2 teams online that can actually fight each other there is no reason to queue again, as for low and middle MMR all the premades from there get roflstompped if they get matched against PUGS of bg regulars which is exactly what they deserve :P maybe just make a group queue that combines the mmr of the people in it so they can get matches vs solo players with the combined output of all 4 of them.

It doesn't matter though they are gonna reset it, I already have builds for MMR farming again so I don't have to play with RP nightblades or those with delusions of grandeur about the level of skill it takes to onslaught some kid than tell the support on their team they are unable to *carry* them because they don't have a positive kill death ratio, I much prefer to be at least at the level where 3/5 players are skilled magsorcs and those who aren't understand teamplay or just have huge balls.

We all know what will happen when they do this, players like Phoenix will be literally 1v'ing entire Bgs for a week or more lol it's gonna be epic AF

Please do.

i have np with solo queues, would be a great + if they added sepratly premade queues. they should just rework this BG system entirely, there is no reason for 3 teams.. makes it 2 teams 6v6 or other combinations. your team waits and see the 2 other teams going on each other and then cap bases, or kill them when they are low.. its a bad game design. and you can alrdy be diffrent faction on each team, so no need for 3 teams.

Iskiab wrote: »

I played some of my fresh 50 alt magblade in BGs today.

Premades aren’t an issue in high or mid MMR, but they are in lower MMR. I kept getting games with extremely new players (multiple under CP160) against premades. I think it’s in this situation where premades are bad for the game.

I think it took me 10+ games to complete the win 3 BG quest. I kept getting bow/bow stamblades on my team against warden and DK premades, felt like we didn’t stand a chance.

You do know your MMR statistically doesn't go down, right? It only goes up, so you do indeed encounter high MMR premades, probably more likely that you would at lower.

ecru wrote: »

Rizz_the_Filthy_Dino wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I played some of my fresh 50 alt magblade in BGs today.

Premades aren’t an issue in high or mid MMR, but they are in lower MMR. I kept getting games with extremely new players (multiple under CP160) against premades. I think it’s in this situation where premades are bad for the game.

I think it took me 10+ games to complete the win 3 BG quest. I kept getting bow/bow stamblades on my team against warden and DK premades, felt like we didn’t stand a chance.

You do know your MMR statistically doesn't go down, right? It only goes up, so you do indeed encounter high MMR premades, probably more likely that you would at lower.

This doesn't make any sense. Your MMR should absolutely go down if you continuously lose over and over again.

Maybe it "should," but it doesn't really seem to. So far as I know ZOS has never given an in-depth explanation of exactly how MMR works, but anecdotally it only really ever seems to go up. Winning more may make it go up faster (back in the day, I usually had faster queue times than certain players that ran a lot of premades, even though we pretty much always faced off against the same general group of people), but I don't think your MMR actually goes down if you lose. If it does, the drop must be relatively small.

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

wheem_ESO wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Rizz_the_Filthy_Dino wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I played some of my fresh 50 alt magblade in BGs today.

Premades aren’t an issue in high or mid MMR, but they are in lower MMR. I kept getting games with extremely new players (multiple under CP160) against premades. I think it’s in this situation where premades are bad for the game.

I think it took me 10+ games to complete the win 3 BG quest. I kept getting bow/bow stamblades on my team against warden and DK premades, felt like we didn’t stand a chance.

You do know your MMR statistically doesn't go down, right? It only goes up, so you do indeed encounter high MMR premades, probably more likely that you would at lower.

This doesn't make any sense. Your MMR should absolutely go down if you continuously lose over and over again.

Maybe it "should," but it doesn't really seem to. So far as I know ZOS has never given an in-depth explanation of exactly how MMR works, but anecdotally it only really ever seems to go up. Winning more may make it go up faster (back in the day, I usually had faster queue times than certain players that ran a lot of premades, even though we pretty much always faced off against the same general group of people), but I don't think your MMR actually goes down if you lose. If it does, the drop must be relatively small.

You are right, MMR doesn't go down for losing.

I believe this functionality was outlined by ZOS a couple years ago. It would take some digging, but one could probably find ZOS's explanation if they cared enough to take the time to look.

Sorry, but there's no way this is true. There is no matchmaking system I've ever been aware of where you get stuck in a higher bracket. In every system, you will lose MMR if you continually lose your matches.

Qbiken wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

wheem_ESO wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Rizz_the_Filthy_Dino wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I played some of my fresh 50 alt magblade in BGs today.

Premades aren’t an issue in high or mid MMR, but they are in lower MMR. I kept getting games with extremely new players (multiple under CP160) against premades. I think it’s in this situation where premades are bad for the game.

I think it took me 10+ games to complete the win 3 BG quest. I kept getting bow/bow stamblades on my team against warden and DK premades, felt like we didn’t stand a chance.

You do know your MMR statistically doesn't go down, right? It only goes up, so you do indeed encounter high MMR premades, probably more likely that you would at lower.

This doesn't make any sense. Your MMR should absolutely go down if you continuously lose over and over again.

Maybe it "should," but it doesn't really seem to. So far as I know ZOS has never given an in-depth explanation of exactly how MMR works, but anecdotally it only really ever seems to go up. Winning more may make it go up faster (back in the day, I usually had faster queue times than certain players that ran a lot of premades, even though we pretty much always faced off against the same general group of people), but I don't think your MMR actually goes down if you lose. If it does, the drop must be relatively small.

You are right, MMR doesn't go down for losing.

I believe this functionality was outlined by ZOS a couple years ago. It would take some digging, but one could probably find ZOS's explanation if they cared enough to take the time to look.

Sorry, but there's no way this is true. There is no matchmaking system I've ever been aware of where you get stuck in a higher bracket. In every system, you will lose MMR if you continually lose your matches.

Well, welcome to ESO where that's the case

Still don't buy it until a dev confirms it. It just isn't logical to have a system where players cannot move down in rank if they perform very poorly.

What people perceive as a "stuck" MMR is just a low k-factor, meaning they lose less MMR if they lose than if they were a new player with an inaccurate value (due to not having played many matches). Your MMR may only move 5% as much as a brand new player for a win or a loss, for example, because your k-factor is more accurate due to having played a very large amount of games. It still moves for a loss though.

I'm not a mathematician, so maybe someone could chime in here, but different k-factors are an integral part of every (good) matchmaking system. K-factors are usually graduated, and get lower as you go higher up in the rankings, to prevent large shifts in a player's rating from a few matches, because players at a very high level typically don't improve at a fast pace compared to lesser skilled players.

You can also look at this another way. If a player can only gain MMR and never lose it, MMR would be a product of the total amount of games played and won, and very very bad players with a large amount of games played but a low win percentage would have a very high MMR. This clearly isn't happening because very bad players typically didn't show up in high MMR matches before the recent patch.

In Rift (which had a very good matchmaking system) before MMR was visible, you would be right to assume that your MMR could never change, but once it was made visible, good players realized that they were still gaining and losing MMR, but only 2-4 points (out of roughly 700-4000) per match. New characters would shift 20-40 points per match for quite awhile and their k-factor would lower if they reached into the 3k+ range (because only good players get there), and that low k-factor would prevent them from moving back down unless they lost hundreds of games in a row, which isn't possible. This is actually a good thing (and is a reason why ratings should be visible IMO) because it dis-incentivizes good players from sandbagging to lower their rating to pug stomp bad players once they realize that it's futile.