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Animation canceling - forum war
Jaxaxo
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what do u think about animation canceling, should it stay or should it go?
Forum War - pro AC side
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Animation canceling - forum war 344 votes
should stay
65%
226 votes
should go
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Mayrael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭should stayI always liked Robert more
I'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.3 -
Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭should stay... Because if it will be gone, they will have to re-do & tone down all the game content. Completing vet DLC dungeons & trials (maybe even on normal lol) will be freaking impossible without AC...3 -
Olupajmibanan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭should stayWhat would light attacks stand for if you couldn't cancel their animation with a spell?Edited by Olupajmibanan on February 28, 2020 10:09AM2 -
FirmamentOfStars✭✭✭✭✭should goDefinitely an exploit like cheat engine!
*slightly hinting at the sarcasm*4 -
MCBIZZLE300✭✭✭✭✭should stayI can't get my head round why this is even a topic. It's what makes the combat engaging, you want slow combat go play ffxiv. The way the game is, if ani cancellinng was removed combat would be a complete mess. you'd go to switch bars after an ability and it wouldnt go off. Youd press an ability then roll dodge and it wouldn't go off. Makes no sense, i feel like half the people that complain about animation cancelling dont even understand what it is and think its some weird voodoo people are doing to get the edge and exploit the game. EVERYONE animation cancels, you press an ability then switch bars? thats animation cancelling, you ever press an ability then roll dodge? thats animation cancelling. jesus..17 -
Vietfox✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭should stayIt would be much better if people who complain about AC just learnt to play.21 -
Olupajmibanan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭should stayEven game itself encourages you to cancel animations of light attacks with a spell, therefore animation cancelling is an officialy approved feature.
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MCBIZZLE300✭✭✭✭✭should stayIt would be much better if people who complain about AC just learnt to play.
Trouble is, there is this snowflake culture now where they want everything in the game handed to them. People complaining about AC, about having to grind, about content bieng too hard. If it was up to them the game would have no challenge at all. It's an MMO it's meant to have challenge its what gives it longevity. Good example of this is the cast times on ultimates and the nerf to the halls of fabrication trial. Dumbing down the content to appeal to the overly vocal minority.12 -
relentless_turnip✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭should stayI posted this on another thread, but it reins true on every animation cancelling post:
To me trying to explain why animation cancelling is not exploit to people is like try to tell flat earther's the world is a sphere...
It doesn't matter how much evidence there is to prove the world is round people will take the smallest piece of information and gratify their mental theory with it.
You can justify a lot of stupidity by honing in on a small portion of information. You can self verify by absorbing only a few of the words of a much greater passage.
The OP has posted a video of the developer saying it is something in the game they encourage the use of it. If the people who make the game say it isn't an exploit how the *** do you argue with that?!
It is the equivalent to God saying to a flat earther "yep sorry the world is round" and the flat earther being like "I don't think so".
Like what evidence do you actually need, I seriously don't know if anything else can be said or done to extinguish the level of ignorance surrounding this debate!12 -
Olupajmibanan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭should stayrelentless_turnip wrote: »I posted this on another thread, but it reins true on every animation cancelling post:
To me trying to explain why animation cancelling is not exploit to people is like try to tell flat earther's the world is a sphere...
It doesn't matter how much evidence there is to prove the world is round people will take the smallest piece of information and gratify their mental theory with it.
You can justify a lot of stupidity by honing in on a small portion of information. You can self verify by absorbing only a few of the words of a much greater passage.
The OP has posted a video of the developer saying it is something in the game they encourage the use of it. If the people who make the game say it isn't an exploit how the *** do you argue with that?!
It is the equivalent to God saying to a flat earther "yep sorry the world is round" and the flat earther being like "I don't think so".
Like what evidence do you actually need, I seriously don't know if anything else can be said or done to extinguish the level of ignorance surrounding this debate!
Just show them this:
This is the evidence nobody can argue with.Edited by Olupajmibanan on February 28, 2020 10:21AM4 -
NagyPako✭✭should stayAs far as ive seen the majority of the ppl complaining about ac complain because they cannot perform well enough in the dps department. All i can say is go ahead and just l2p.
The recent changes however do show that zenimax kinda wants to please both parties. Swapping the priority of the animations displayed pleases anti ac ppl but the mechanic is the same so you can still do it, its just looking different.
Also about pleasing the roleplayers and questers they gave us cool looking but not at all challanging dungeons .(sad face) The trifectas took 2-3 attempts to complete. And getting all the achievments took at most 6-8 hours. Rip new content. (Sad face)
All i can hope for is that hopefully the chapter is going to bring some really cool and truly tough new content. (Winks at the trial)5 -
nameless420✭✭should goi remember a very long time when animation canceling first came out to be a big deal, the devs said they where working on ways to fix it, then some people got fired or quit, and the new people came in and said they were surprised that the community was doing it and that they liked it and it was staying in the game.7
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relentless_turnip✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭should stay
duuuuhhhh!!! press hurt buttons... hurt buttons good! too many hurt buttons... hurt buttons bad...
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darthgummibear_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭should goOlupajmibanan wrote: »Even game itself encourages you to cancel animations of light attacks with a spell, therefore animation cancelling is an officialy approved feature.
More like "We don't want to put the work in to fix the problem so we're just going to run with it"18 -
Rikumaru✭✭✭✭✭
✭should stayMCBIZZLE300 wrote: »I can't get my head round why this is even a topic. It's what makes the combat engaging, you want slow combat go play ffxiv. The way the game is, if ani cancellinng was removed combat would be a complete mess. you'd go to switch bars after an ability and it wouldnt go off. Youd press an ability then roll dodge and it wouldn't go off. Makes no sense, i feel like half the people that complain about animation cancelling dont even understand what it is and think its some weird voodoo people are doing to get the edge and exploit the game. EVERYONE animation cancels, you press an ability then switch bars? thats animation cancelling, you ever press an ability then roll dodge? thats animation cancelling. jesus..
That's literally what I plan to do if ZOS does away with animation cancelling. Why stick around on a sub par mmo when they ruin the one saving grace this game has, the combat system.Overload rework. Power Overload now does physical damage and grants you the power of a tornado: You throw a brick at the target with a light attack, and you hammer your head into that brick with every heavy attack. We have decreased its Ultimate cost, but increased the chance that you get stuck in the animation.4 -
Noxavian✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭should gorelentless_turnip wrote: »
duuuuhhhh!!! press hurt buttons... hurt buttons good! too many hurt buttons... hurt buttons bad...
Derrrrr boss!! Me can't stand seeing pretty animation, the thought of me seeing clear animations makes brain go boom boom!! Must cancel for maximum boom power boss!!!
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Noxavian✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭should goMCBIZZLE300 wrote: »I can't get my head round why this is even a topic. It's what makes the combat engaging, you want slow combat go play ffxiv. The way the game is, if ani cancellinng was removed combat would be a complete mess. you'd go to switch bars after an ability and it wouldnt go off. Youd press an ability then roll dodge and it wouldn't go off. Makes no sense, i feel like half the people that complain about animation cancelling dont even understand what it is and think its some weird voodoo people are doing to get the edge and exploit the game. EVERYONE animation cancels, you press an ability then switch bars? thats animation cancelling, you ever press an ability then roll dodge? thats animation cancelling. jesus..
That's literally what I plan to do if ZOS does away with animation cancelling. Why stick around on a sub par mmo when they ruin the one saving grace this game has, the combat system.
Imagine genuinely thinking glitching the game and causing de-syncs is a huge part of the combat system9 -
Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭should stayAnimation cancelling: an unintended effect, but eventually accepted feature of the game.Olupajmibanan wrote: »relentless_turnip wrote: »I posted this on another thread, but it reins true on every animation cancelling post:
To me trying to explain why animation cancelling is not exploit to people is like try to tell flat earther's the world is a sphere...
It doesn't matter how much evidence there is to prove the world is round people will take the smallest piece of information and gratify their mental theory with it.
You can justify a lot of stupidity by honing in on a small portion of information. You can self verify by absorbing only a few of the words of a much greater passage.
The OP has posted a video of the developer saying it is something in the game they encourage the use of it. If the people who make the game say it isn't an exploit how the *** do you argue with that?!
It is the equivalent to God saying to a flat earther "yep sorry the world is round" and the flat earther being like "I don't think so".
Like what evidence do you actually need, I seriously don't know if anything else can be said or done to extinguish the level of ignorance surrounding this debate!
Just show them this:
This is the evidence nobody can argue with.
Thank you for posting this
May your cancels be quick, and combat remain fast"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
Tryxus - Guardian of the Green - Warden - PC/EU11 -
Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MCBIZZLE300 wrote: »I can't get my head round why this is even a topic. It's what makes the combat engaging, you want slow combat go play ffxiv. The way the game is, if ani cancellinng was removed combat would be a complete mess. you'd go to switch bars after an ability and it wouldnt go off. Youd press an ability then roll dodge and it wouldn't go off. Makes no sense, i feel like half the people that complain about animation cancelling dont even understand what it is and think its some weird voodoo people are doing to get the edge and exploit the game. EVERYONE animation cancels, you press an ability then switch bars? thats animation cancelling, you ever press an ability then roll dodge? thats animation cancelling. jesus..
That's literally what I plan to do if ZOS does away with animation cancelling. Why stick around on a sub par mmo when they ruin the one saving grace this game has, the combat system.
Imagine genuinely thinking glitching the game and causing de-syncs is a huge part of the combat system
Imagine still not understating what animation cancelling is and how it works... In 2020. 20 -
relentless_turnip✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭should staydarthgummibear_ESO wrote: »Olupajmibanan wrote: »Even game itself encourages you to cancel animations of light attacks with a spell, therefore animation cancelling is an officialy approved feature.
More like "We don't want to put the work in to fix the problem so we're just going to run with it"
Or you could just learn to press more than one button?! I know pressing buttons is hard, are you going to be ok?9 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭should staySigh. This again.
I’ve explained many times why AC is not an exploit. Not going to bother again, because these thumbless clowns just never learn.10 -
Noxavian✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭should gorelentless_turnip wrote: »darthgummibear_ESO wrote: »Olupajmibanan wrote: »Even game itself encourages you to cancel animations of light attacks with a spell, therefore animation cancelling is an officialy approved feature.
More like "We don't want to put the work in to fix the problem so we're just going to run with it"
Or you could just learn to press more than one button?! I know pressing buttons is hard, are you going to be ok?
Or you could just learn to appreciate an animation and let it play out without having to try and cancel it for MaX EfFeCt. I understand you guys have a short attention span so it might be pretty hard, but the animations are neat!Edited by Noxavian on February 28, 2020 10:59AM7 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭should stayrelentless_turnip wrote: »darthgummibear_ESO wrote: »Olupajmibanan wrote: »Even game itself encourages you to cancel animations of light attacks with a spell, therefore animation cancelling is an officialy approved feature.
More like "We don't want to put the work in to fix the problem so we're just going to run with it"
Or you could just learn to press more than one button?! I know pressing buttons is hard, are you going to be ok?
Or you could just learn to appreciate an animation and let it play out without having to try and cancel it for MaX EfFeCt. I understand you guys have a short attention span so it might be pretty hard, but the animations are neat!
There is nothing stopping you from watching animations play out in their entirety.
P.S. most of the “animation cancelling” people cry about is when we cancel the recovery animation of a LIGHT ATTACK, which is not a very interesting animation. The only time the recovery animation of actual skills is cancelled is during bar swap cancelling, which generally only happens twice per rotation. Block cancelling as part of a DPS or PVP burst rotation was extremely rare.
I repeat: most animation cancelling involves cancelling the recovery animation of light attacks, not skills.12 -
MCBIZZLE300✭✭✭✭✭should stayrelentless_turnip wrote: »darthgummibear_ESO wrote: »Olupajmibanan wrote: »Even game itself encourages you to cancel animations of light attacks with a spell, therefore animation cancelling is an officialy approved feature.
More like "We don't want to put the work in to fix the problem so we're just going to run with it"
Or you could just learn to press more than one button?! I know pressing buttons is hard, are you going to be ok?
Or you could just learn to appreciate an animation and let it play out without having to try and cancel it for MaX EfFeCt. I understand you guys have a short attention span so it might be pretty hard, but the animations are neat!
That's fine and all but in a pvp or vet trial setting, sitting back and admiring the ''neat' animation will get you 1 banged.6 -
Jaxaxo✭✭✭✭should stayrelentless_turnip wrote: »darthgummibear_ESO wrote: »Olupajmibanan wrote: »Even game itself encourages you to cancel animations of light attacks with a spell, therefore animation cancelling is an officialy approved feature.
More like "We don't want to put the work in to fix the problem so we're just going to run with it"
Or you could just learn to press more than one button?! I know pressing buttons is hard, are you going to be ok?
Or you could just learn to appreciate an animation and let it play out without having to try and cancel it for MaX EfFeCt. I understand you guys have a short attention span so it might be pretty hard, but the animations are neat!
No one forces u to cancel YOUR animations, u can even watch them closely from first person perspective. The problem for us is taking the fluidity and responiveness of game. Imagine pvping, seeing incoming stunning projectile. But because u're ni animation u can just watch it coming. And get stunned. Cuz u couldnt stop your animation and block fast enough.Forum War - pro AC side
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Triggered Tryhards / Aetherius Art / LND / DC-PD
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precambria✭✭✭✭✭should stayThe game feels terrible with this change, I thought it could be server lag in BGs so I tried a duel, it's actually what is supposed to happen now but it also is BUGGED and causing things to fully just not work half the time. The only hope that this game can remain fast paced and feel like real time combat is to reverse this change, either that or this is simply a step in improving performance and it will feel the same as it did next week when the glitch is ironed out but as it stands it went from having a really nice feel to constantly interrupting the players combo's or not allowing skills to fire4 -
relentless_turnip✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭should stayrelentless_turnip wrote: »darthgummibear_ESO wrote: »Olupajmibanan wrote: »Even game itself encourages you to cancel animations of light attacks with a spell, therefore animation cancelling is an officialy approved feature.
More like "We don't want to put the work in to fix the problem so we're just going to run with it"
Or you could just learn to press more than one button?! I know pressing buttons is hard, are you going to be ok?
Or you could just learn to appreciate an animation and let it play out without having to try and cancel it for MaX EfFeCt. I understand you guys have a short attention span so it might be pretty hard, but the animations are neat!
duhhhhhh... 0 -
MajBludd✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭should stayLooks like the naysayers are getting crushed. The way the removal advocates act, you'd think they'd have a massive lead.2
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