Nemesis7884 wrote: »

I like nearly all of it..besides not getting to see riverwood, whiterun, winterhold etc and that i would much rather have a new weapon, skill line, class than that weird antiquities system...

Still hoping that we will found the dawnguard un q4 and be able to jiin the dawnguard (or vampires)...oh amd please gimme my dawnguard armor

The Dawnguard were formed by the Jarl of the rift to keep his son, who has been infected by a vampire, imprisoned. Eventually they had to put him down and were banished from the rift. This has already happened by the time of the game as we know the fighters guild uses Dawngaurd silver crossbows.

Waiting to see what the mix is. If it's predominantly about vamps and witches that's good. If it's more focused on Nords that's bad.

It interests me not at all, but I'm happy for those who are eagerly anticipating it. It did, however, cause me to revisit Skyrim proper, which has been eye-opening. BGS game design feels archaic in many ways in light of newer, better takes on the open world concept.

I do not care fo blackreach, but excited fo more snow and forrest.

Actually I'm excited also for both West and East Skyrim. It's why I signed up for this game originally anyway. I've played the solo version over and over again many times and this is just like candy to me. I'm sure it won't be totally the same but just to be able to play it with others will be quite fun.

Cireous wrote: »

You could say I am anticipating it just a little bit after doing the following in preparation:

• Creating keybinds for all my characters to remove defensive champion points, take off gear, and adjust skills (no I WIN NO MATTER WHAT aoe while healing abilities are allowed) to dramatically increase overland difficulty, creating different build oneclick keybinds for both solo overland and group overland content (thanks to the discovery of Alphagear 2 and its companion addons).
• Switching my health + main stat + main recovery stat food for main stat + recovery stat food, no more health.
• Finally downloading and using a reshade that makes ESO more vibrant and textured (using Neat Perfection).
• Completely overhualing my UI for Skyrimesque immersion, including removing the ability and buff bars entirely and only showing attribute bars when they are in use.
• Removing all floating quest pins over NPCs and followup quest conditions after finding the Pin Killer addon, while still allowing pins on the compass (so I'm not totally in the dark).
• Buying and using two new outfit slots for every character, which includes a wintery solo outfit for my gearless solo builds and another wintery outfit for my group builds (swapping them using the previously mentioned oneclick for everything keybind from Alphagear 2).
• No longer impatiently clicking /discover while using the amazing True Exploration addon while in delves
• Removing all soul gems from my bags and only using soul gems created from the soul lock passive. This means that if I die while questing in the overland, I may be required to resurrect at a wayshrine instead of where I died, adding 'risk' to dying in an attempt to mimic losing your progress in Skyrim when dying before you've hit save game recently.

So, basically, it's like I am playing a completely new, more dangerous, much more beautiful game. One where wisp mothers pose a VERY serious threat, delves are darker and pathing in them is less obvious. I make mistakes and hit the wrong skills because I can't see them anymore. When there are more than 2 mobs and I am by myself, there IS a threat to my life. I look the part, the world acts the part, and now I think I am ready for Skyrim in ESO.

Yep. Considering some of these, certainly the cp drops and low health. Will probably run on my high regen low health vampire nightblade thief first time round, in 1st person with true exploration and get rid of all UI except maybe the compass. Hadn't thought about the sky shards. Will certainly turn off banker and merchant, and start with zero gold.

I'm looking forward to revisit Solitude and Morthal, but that's it. I'm not particularly interested in Blackreach, as I've never been interested in anything related to the Dwemer and I'm not keen on likely being forced to work with vampires.
As for the antiquities system... I expect it to be horribly grindy like most of the system added, but we'll see.

nope.

haven't bothered to finished elsweyr yet and i'm in no hurry to go back to skyrim again again again...

I mainly pvp. So this next year has literally nothing to be excited about. I will jump into forum time to time or a fast bg and wait till 2021.

I do like some of the story lines and do some pve, but there's not much to keep my interest right now.

This sums up my excitement level

Noxavian wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

I'm fairly excited for potential new Vampire lore, and seeing how the revamp works. Hoping we get a way to hide the Vampire appearance; maybe they'll tie the appearance into the Justice System along with the skills that are going to be flagged, and we'll have a way of hiding it to keep from being KOS by guards or other NPCs? Would be nice, buuuuut I'm not holding my breath.

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

You must really hate the protagonist of Skyrim, being the only Dragonborn who is also a Vampire makes them unique even among those who are Dragonborn or Vampire Lords, adding another Vampire who is Dragonborn would not only make the LDB not unique or special but being a Dragonborn in this time period would make them the true Emperor by divine right, there would be ZERO reason for this villain to be a villain when Tamriel would already belong to them.

You might as well take a giant dumb on the LDB in that case, is that what you want? we already know who the Villian is as someone linked an object to him, it is the King of Western Skyrim, he is the Vampire Lord.

"We already know" is a really bold and ignorant statement, because if this is true (which unless it's posted by one of the devs or something, I'm not inclined to believe) there are a lot of people most likely who didn't know. It takes a special kind of person to assume "everyone already knows" something and thus spoil it for the slew of people who, guess what, actually didn't know.

ShadowHvo wrote: »

The whole chapter is ruined due to the bastardization of Noxiphilic Sanguivoria, and the introduction of the Vampire Lord in the players arsenal. That effectively turns a mythical, legendary creature into a weak everyday minion.

It's a shame really, because I really enjoyed their unique and powerful status in Sanguinare Vampiris, but thats unfortunately about to end with Greymoor.

I would've been excited to explore Skyrim otherwise, but the Dawnguard ripoff is just a major turnoff.

Calling it a bastardization is kinda over-exaggerating things, really. Everyone knows the lore can change and be retconned, it happens all the time, and even the lore that stays the same often contradicts itself because it's written from the perspective of in-game characters, not from out-of-game lore masters. I'm not sure if Lamae's strain of Vampirism has existed as it is pre-Greymoor, either, or if ZOS added the details and stuff. If it's the latter they're more than within their right to change and alter things as they find necessary.

Some people are going "oh they're ruining Vampire lore by reversing the stages" which...no, they aren't ruining the lore lol. People claim it's unique that TES Vamps 'get stronger the hungrier and more starved' they are, but just because something is unique doesn't mean it's good or makes sense. For one, how does it make sense for any creature to get stronger the longer it goes without food? There may be a brief window when hunger drives them to become more reckless and take more chances as they get desperate for food, but that window isn't a very big one before they start getting weak. By this logic any random starved Bloodfiend should be stronger than Vampires like Harkon, right? A Vampire's overall strength isn't based on how often they do or don't feed, it's based on their age. You see this through numerous TES games, where the older Vampires tend to be a lot tougher than 'standard' ones.

As for the 'we're getting Vampire Lord forms' thing people keep mentioning, was it ever actually specifically said the Blood Scion form is the same as the Vampire Lord form? To me it seems since it's called something else, it's...well, something else. Why call it a different name if it's a Vampire Lord thing? Just because two things share similar traits doesn't make them the same, after all. A parrot and an eagle both have wings, feathers, and sharp powerful beaks and talons, but they're two completely different birds. True they're both birds, but not the same kind of bird. That's how I see this Blood Scion thing; they're both Vampire strains with an alternate form that might share similarities, like wings, but they're different strains of Vampire nonetheless. Things can totally be similar without being the same.

Both of the people you've quoted unfortunately won't understand a word you're saying.

I and many others have told both of these people the same exact thing time and time again, but they mysteriously choose to ignore reality and reason in favor of being upset for no reason.

Well, they have their own interpretations on it all. I have my own and others have their own. Mine is a mix of various factors facts/speculation/Lore, Quests that tell us lore and sometimes game mechanics but not all.
Some people are more basic about vampires they are called undead they get effected by things that effect undead they must be undead. Me not so fast on that one. There is many factors to Vampires, the only game that had vampires as actual undead as I call them would be Daggerfall and Arena.
People working at Bethesda admitted Arena and Daggerfall those two games were nothing more then a home brewed d&d Campaign and went out of their way to change it to not be that. So a lot of the lore got tossed or reworked. Because of this I would only count the events mentioned in lore books about the history of those games in the later titles as canon while treating any material from Daggerfall and Arena as not canon. To me most Tes Vampires are not undead. But can mimic and look like they are.

Undead is the state of something dying but then coming back a reanimated corpse. Lore has it that many people mistake Necromancy and Vampirism. So many folks actually think they are reanimated corpses that come from Necromancy and I wouldn't be surprised if they thought of them just like d&d vampires in regards to they can be repelled by Garlic that is one superstition and belief that they are repelled by Garlic. That they can't enter holy places and and who knows maybe the running water thing can repel them or keep them at bay.
So they get called undead and to many folks they are undead a reanimated corpse because that is all they see or want to believe when it comes to vampires.
This makes Elder Scrolls Vampires more unique in my opinion. But they are not a reanimated corpse and they don't understand how it actually works as most don't go out of the way to find out.

After they retconned/reworked a lot of Daggerfall and Arena. There has been no other game where you die and come back from the grave as a vampire. Instead Vampires have been transitioned into that State while alive as they sleep or when they are awake in the case of Skyrim.
Elder Scrolls 3/4/5/Online vampires are not animated dead( Though many blood fiend npcs of sure are) Kill a vampire in dungeon, take its corpse use one of the Necromancy spells on them and behold you got a animated vampire an undead creature. So vampires can be made undead, just got to kill them first. Many Blood Fiends of the game seem to Mirror Vampires. Reason why is they seem to use the the D&d vampire method. A Vampire drains them dry but they rise up from the grave as a zombie like creature. Which is what happens in several zones in this game.

It could be a byproduct of the vampire strain we have in the game. As only those who survive an attack of a blood fiend can become vampires but there is also some other element to it as well they require the blood of a vampire to complete the transformation. Otherwise if a vampire drains their victims dry the victim has a chance of becoming a blood fiend this could be the reason why Vampires are classed as Undead or thought of as such and the reason why Vampirism is Mistaken for Necromancy. So basically become a vampire requires you to be alive while becoming a blood fiend technically could require you to be killed by the vampire. So the two do seem to mirror each other.

Because Elder Scrolls Vampires seem to be technically alive but transition to become more a dead like when they don't feed. Basically this is how Vampires work.

Stage one/ Sated- Almost Fully alive but don't age. Stage Two/Little Thirsty- Mostly alive but a somewhat dead have a little bit more vampiric power about you. Stage Three/Uncomfortably Thirsty - Mostly dead but still somewhat alive you are more powerful as a vampire. Stage Four/Starving – Ravenous almost dead, but at peak vampiric power but still have the life energy to move around and could be almost like Undead in this stage. Stage four would be their most death like state but also gives them access to their full vampiric power. The way it is right now that is how it works.

But the new system will change that. The more fed you are the more death like you become instead of the other way around this is how it will work. Stage One/Not Full But Not That Hungry-. Weakest and most Mortal Almost alive but don't age . Stage two/Satisfied and Light- Mostly alive but a little dead More powerful then before. Stage Three/Comfortable But Slightly Too Full- Mostly dead but still somewhat alive more powerful then before. Stage Four/Very Full – I ate more than I needed.- Almost Dead but also at the peak of Vampiric power but also looking really bad in the mirror.

One way or another its going to be interesting the new vampire lore they are adding in. I do understand some people even myself can see things and want to believe them to be a certain way or want others to believe this way. But got to understand that people do have their opinions and don't see things the same way we do. So its good to remind ourselves of this that there are other prospective's besides ours own and try to be more open minded even if its our nature not to be.