If my GM stops playing, can I get control of the guild?

karthrag_inak · February 2020

This one has noticed a tendency among many folks to superimpose their own situation onto someone else's when such questions as the OP's are asked. This is not uncommon, and usually shows a desire to express empathy with the questioner to more appropriately address their question.

The issue that arises, however, is that some folks do this both selfishly (saying "what if this was -happening- to me" instead of "what if this one was in the OP's position?") and imperfectly (ignoring key points like "gone for over a year").

This approach invariably induces histrionic reactions replete with indignation and offense at the perceived slight embedded in the question, much to the surprise of bystanders observing; this reaction is all about them, instead of an attempt to help the person asking the question. In many ways it is reminiscent of borderline personality disorder.

This one just wished to share his view.

Mannix1958 · February 2020

InaMoonlight wrote: »

Grimm13 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

InaMoonlight wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

@InaMoonlight, if you're worried about losing your guild, just make sure you log in at least once a month.

Already had a bout of cancer, continuous multiple scleroses and two broken computers with no budget, equaling six months offline with library computers and a cell radio, saving and fighting for a new computer, last, i spent two months in bed trying not to die. If i survived and came back to find six years and 3k hours of helping (per server), having our identity as a guild abused, guildbank robbed, I would NOT be happy, I would go to war. One was bad enough.

Then you should have designated a successor and promoted them to guild leader before leaving. A guild is a community, first and foremost. It is not your personal fiefdom. If you hadn't survived, and a system like this didn't exist, your remaining guild members would have been permanently punished by a guildmaster too selfish to pass leadership to someone who was actually playing.

In fact, from past experience, guild leaders who abandon their guilds tend to condemn those guilds to a slow death as players wander off to other places. Your guild is not about you, it is about the community you've helped to create. This system creates a method which allows that community to outlive you.

Wrong as well. You are implying that a Guild is a democracy in ESO. There is no voting structure within ESO Guild Management, it is not a Democracy unless the GM chooses to operate that way and use a means not regulated by ESO to employ it. If this was the desire of ZOS for Guilds, then they would include that within Guild Management Tools.

If a GM does not pass on Guild Ownership then it shows there is no intent that any one else should be appointed by ZOS to assume control.

If you do not like how a Guild is Ran then do not stay or join it. Further do not expect ZOS to make changes in a guild you belong to because you do not like how the OWNER set it up and runs it.

You're ABSOLUTELY right, It's deep down NOT a democracy, IT'S MINE!! If people want a guild they can work their butts off to make their own instead of trying to usurp someone else who DID put in the work but is taking a break!

And from how you have presented yourself in this forum...I would never want to be in a guild ran by you. In fact I might even leave if I was in it.

xXMeowMeowXx · February 2020

InaMoonlight wrote: »

Cloudtrader wrote: »

xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »

Guilds should be considered the players property that created it.

The guild belongs to the people logging in, not some creator who left the game.

Someone who never ran, or created the spirit and feel, do's and don'ts of a guild Guildbank much?

So someone can fall deatly ill, loose their computer or whatnot, and you feel entitled to their guildbank, guild, guildname and roster? Hint THEY DIDNT INVITE YOU TO STEAL IT!

Tip, if you need to steal someone elses idea, ideology and guild, means you're too inept to just make your own...

So true ^

Tigerseye · February 2020

What there should probably be is some sort of automatic mechanic that offers the option of becoming proxy leader, after a certain amount of time (say 30 days?), to the next in line.

...and if they're not willing/active, the next after that and so on.

However, that access shouldn't allow access to the guild bank and/or guild gold, unless that person already had access to either, or both.

Or, possibly, if they don't have prior permissions, it could offer limited access - like the ability to deposit and organise the guild bank (but, not withdraw) and the ability to bid on guild traders, but not to withdraw gold for personal use.

Also, if the leader comes back online, within a certain period of time (1 year?), s/he should be given the opportunity to take back control of the guild, if s/he wants.

...and if they don't come back online within that time, permanent control of the guild (with full access) could be given to the proxy leader.

Then, when a leader goes AWOL, the next in line (if they don't have bank access) can decide if they want to bother taking over a guild, purely so they can inv, edit the message, organise the bank and/or hire guild traders, or whether they would prefer not to bother.

Also, no one would, reasonably, be able to accuse them of attempting to steal a guild and/or its contents purely for their own gain.

Tigerseye · February 2020

Also, I have a feeling that some people would view a guild message like that as a challenge.

Tigerseye · February 2020

InaMoonlight wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

@InaMoonlight, if you're worried about losing your guild, just make sure you log in at least once a month.

Already had a bout of cancer, continuous multiple scleroses and two broken computers with no budget, equaling six months offline with library computers and a cell radio, saving and fighting for a new computer, last, i spent two months in bed trying not to die. If i survived and came back to find six years and 3k hours of helping (per server), having our identity as a guild abused, guildbank robbed, I would NOT be happy, I would go to war. One was bad enough.

I appreciate all you have tried to do, but this is a game, at the end of the day.

You shouldn't let it get to you, this much - it's not good for your health.

I agree they shouldn't just give guilds away, but still.

Look after yourself.

Tigerseye · February 2020

starkerealm wrote: »

InaMoonlight wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

@InaMoonlight, if you're worried about losing your guild, just make sure you log in at least once a month.

Already had a bout of cancer, continuous multiple scleroses and two broken computers with no budget, equaling six months offline with library computers and a cell radio, saving and fighting for a new computer, last, i spent two months in bed trying not to die. If i survived and came back to find six years and 3k hours of helping (per server), having our identity as a guild abused, guildbank robbed, I would NOT be happy, I would go to war. One was bad enough.

Then you should have designated a successor and promoted them to guild leader before leaving. A guild is a community, first and foremost. It is not your personal fiefdom. If you hadn't survived, and a system like this didn't exist, your remaining guild members would have been permanently punished by a guildmaster too selfish to pass leadership to someone who was actually playing.

In fact, from past experience, guild leaders who abandon their guilds tend to condemn those guilds to a slow death as players wander off to other places. Your guild is not about you, it is about the community you've helped to create. This system creates a method which allows that community to outlive you.

I agree, but from what she has said, she is not being selfish so much as worried that the guilds will be taken in a direction she definitely didn't intend them to be taken in.

Honestly, I can see both sides, here, which is why I think a proxy system is needed.

Tigerseye · February 2020

InaMoonlight wrote: »

If we can't even expect some respect of who we were, and what we tried to do in this game, but its just handed over to the next sittingdevice that likes the guildbank, whats the purpose of a guild name? Why did we spend over half decade making our guildnames synonymous with anything, and identity, a proud and loving yell turning into a scam, now owned by an empathically stunted person who will use guild history to scam and empty the guildbank? They're there on probation, your comp crashed, and thus, you forefit 6 years of work, thusands of hours *EVERYTHING*? WHAT!!!

Honestly, I don't know why anyone bothers, assuming it's true that guild sales don't even cover the hiring of a guild trader.

So, you have to do all the work, bid on traders and beg for donations, on top of all of that?

No, thanks...

ZOS_Volpe · February 2020

Hello everyone,

With this thread derailing with baiting, bashing, inappropriate content, and spamming, we're going to go ahead and close it down. For further posts be sure to stay constructive and respectful with the Forum Rules in mind to avoid thread derailment.

Thank you for understanding.