If my GM stops playing, can I get control of the guild?

Solariken

@InaMoonlight I don't know of this is your first MMO, but guild ownership is not necessarily a single person. Sure a single person has to start it and for technical reasons control ranks/permissions, but a guild by definition is an association of players for mutual aid or the pursuit of a common goal.

It shouldn't (generally) be treated as your own private coffer and kingdom to rule. If you invite someone to a guild, they should be viewed as a fellow stakeholder and if you go MIA for a reasonable amount of time, your guildmates should have recourse to assume control and carry it forward.

starkerealm

InaMoonlight wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

@InaMoonlight, if you're worried about losing your guild, just make sure you log in at least once a month.

Already had a bout of cancer, continuous multiple scleroses and two broken computers with no budget, equaling six months offline with library computers and a cell radio, saving and fighting for a new computer, last, i spent two months in bed trying not to die. If i survived and came back to find six years and 3k hours of helping (per server), having our identity as a guild abused, guildbank robbed, I would NOT be happy, I would go to war. One was bad enough.

Then you should have designated a successor and promoted them to guild leader before leaving. A guild is a community, first and foremost. It is not your personal fiefdom. If you hadn't survived, and a system like this didn't exist, your remaining guild members would have been permanently punished by a guildmaster too selfish to pass leadership to someone who was actually playing.

In fact, from past experience, guild leaders who abandon their guilds tend to condemn those guilds to a slow death as players wander off to other places. Your guild is not about you, it is about the community you've helped to create. This system creates a method which allows that community to outlive you.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

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starkerealm wrote: »

Then you should have designated a successor and promoted them to guild leader before leaving. A guild is a community, first and foremost. It is not your personal fiefdom. If you hadn't survived, and a system like this didn't exist, your remaining guild members would have been permanently punished by a guildmaster too selfish to pass leadership to someone who was actually playing.

In fact, from past experience, guild leaders who abandon their guilds tend to condemn those guilds to a slow death as players wander off to other places. Your guild is not about you, it is about the community you've helped to create. This system creates a method which allows that community to outlive you.

Hear ye, hear ye.

Ackwalan

InaMoonlight wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

You can. Contact customer support and let them know. If the guildmaster has been inactive for 30 days or more, Customer Support can reassign leadership to an active, ranking member.

I've done this.

Usurp someone ELSES guild and work? So that's a new thing? What if their computer broke, they take a bit to get a new one, you feel utterly entitled to steal everything they worked for including contents of guild bank?!

@ZOS_G @ZOS_J Is this for real?!

It's for real. I have been in two guilds where the leader left and all it took was a support ticket. The time the leader needs to be gone is more then 30 days, but you don't need consent.

Grimm13

Solariken wrote: »

@InaMoonlight I don't know of this is your first MMO, but guild ownership is not necessarily a single person. Sure a single person has to start it and for technical reasons control ranks/permissions, but a guild by definition is an association of players for mutual aid or the pursuit of a common goal.

It shouldn't (generally) be treated as your own private coffer and kingdom to rule. If you invite someone to a guild, they should be viewed as a fellow stakeholder and if you go MIA for a reasonable amount of time, your guildmates should have recourse to assume control and carry it forward.

Wrong, If this was true in ESO then it would be explicitly explained in faq for guilds and the permission for such would be present in guild management. Neither is provided for within ESO.

ZOS has also stated that it is left up to the Guild master to decide on how a Guild Operates. This includes guild succession as well as guild assets distribution.

ESO does not set any rules on how a Guild Master should or is required to act towards their members, except for TOS violations. A bad GM will find they have no members and that is the regulating factor.

Name a MMO that does not follow the policies I have just explained and show me a link to where it backs up your claim.

InaMoonlight

Grimm13 wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

@InaMoonlight I don't know of this is your first MMO, but guild ownership is not necessarily a single person. Sure a single person has to start it and for technical reasons control ranks/permissions, but a guild by definition is an association of players for mutual aid or the pursuit of a common goal.

It shouldn't (generally) be treated as your own private coffer and kingdom to rule. If you invite someone to a guild, they should be viewed as a fellow stakeholder and if you go MIA for a reasonable amount of time, your guildmates should have recourse to assume control and carry it forward.

Wrong, If this was true in ESO then it would be explicitly explained in faq for guilds and the permission for such would be present in guild management. Neither is provided for within ESO.

ZOS has also stated that it is left up to the Guild master to decide on how a Guild Operates. This includes guild succession as well as guild assets distribution.

ESO does not set any rules on how a Guild Master should or is required to act towards their members, except for TOS violations. A bad GM will find they have no members and that is the regulating factor.

Name a MMO that does not follow the policies I have just explained and show me a link to where it backs up your claim.

I'm sorry, but you are wrong, if you make an agreement as the gm with another player, they CAN (used to i guess) be able to make a voiced, timestamped agreement in a chat, so that devs, in case of GM going pooof for too long, would asking them, (theyd check up on the info ofc) given too long hasnt passed (and even then there is the option of actually submitting in in F1) be given the guild WITH my consent so 6 years of do-gooding doesnt turn into an emptied scam-firm, with an empty guildbaak. That if I poof for longer then this, please take care of it and carry it on But if someone who went offline a day or month after invite, going offline for a year, come back after a year and feel the right to take over and empty guildbank and rep for whatever? NOT having the agreement made tried, it would be theft and impersonation.

If a GM is abusive to, or leeches their members, no doubt, can be given after zos eval, but if someone goes offline, and you haven't been told (I'd like you to carry it on in the spirit it was intended) ... no.

Luckily, I hope Zos by now, after loosing one guild, knows how i feel and keeps the rest of them safe from anyone but the one I trust could carry it on in the right spirit.

Hope they ban anyone who tried to take over my eu guilds while i play NA. At least.

idk

Since the guild is dead why not create a new guild? If no one is logging in then that would be the easiest way.

I am sure someone has mentioned it but you could submit a ticket to Zos asking for lead of the guild to be passed to you and mentioned the current GM has not logged in for X months.

Grimm13

starkerealm wrote: »

InaMoonlight wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

@InaMoonlight, if you're worried about losing your guild, just make sure you log in at least once a month.

Already had a bout of cancer, continuous multiple scleroses and two broken computers with no budget, equaling six months offline with library computers and a cell radio, saving and fighting for a new computer, last, i spent two months in bed trying not to die. If i survived and came back to find six years and 3k hours of helping (per server), having our identity as a guild abused, guildbank robbed, I would NOT be happy, I would go to war. One was bad enough.

Then you should have designated a successor and promoted them to guild leader before leaving. A guild is a community, first and foremost. It is not your personal fiefdom. If you hadn't survived, and a system like this didn't exist, your remaining guild members would have been permanently punished by a guildmaster too selfish to pass leadership to someone who was actually playing.

In fact, from past experience, guild leaders who abandon their guilds tend to condemn those guilds to a slow death as players wander off to other places. Your guild is not about you, it is about the community you've helped to create. This system creates a method which allows that community to outlive you.

Wrong as well. You are implying that a Guild is a democracy in ESO. There is no voting structure within ESO Guild Management, it is not a Democracy unless the GM chooses to operate that way and use a means not regulated by ESO to employ it. If this was the desire of ZOS for Guilds, then they would include that within Guild Management Tools.

If a GM does not pass on Guild Ownership then it shows there is no intent that any one else should be appointed by ZOS to assume control.

If you do not like how a Guild is Ran then do not stay or join it. Further do not expect ZOS to make changes in a guild you belong to because you do not like how the OWNER set it up and runs it.

InaMoonlight

Grimm13 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

InaMoonlight wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

@InaMoonlight, if you're worried about losing your guild, just make sure you log in at least once a month.

Already had a bout of cancer, continuous multiple scleroses and two broken computers with no budget, equaling six months offline with library computers and a cell radio, saving and fighting for a new computer, last, i spent two months in bed trying not to die. If i survived and came back to find six years and 3k hours of helping (per server), having our identity as a guild abused, guildbank robbed, I would NOT be happy, I would go to war. One was bad enough.

Then you should have designated a successor and promoted them to guild leader before leaving. A guild is a community, first and foremost. It is not your personal fiefdom. If you hadn't survived, and a system like this didn't exist, your remaining guild members would have been permanently punished by a guildmaster too selfish to pass leadership to someone who was actually playing.

In fact, from past experience, guild leaders who abandon their guilds tend to condemn those guilds to a slow death as players wander off to other places. Your guild is not about you, it is about the community you've helped to create. This system creates a method which allows that community to outlive you.

Wrong as well. You are implying that a Guild is a democracy in ESO. There is no voting structure within ESO Guild Management, it is not a Democracy unless the GM chooses to operate that way and use a means not regulated by ESO to employ it. If this was the desire of ZOS for Guilds, then they would include that within Guild Management Tools.

If a GM does not pass on Guild Ownership then it shows there is no intent that any one else should be appointed by ZOS to assume control.

If you do not like how a Guild is Ran then do not stay or join it. Further do not expect ZOS to make changes in a guild you belong to because you do not like how the OWNER set it up and runs it.

You're ABSOLUTELY right, It's deep down NOT a democracy, IT'S MINE!! If people want a guild they can work their butts off to make their own instead of trying to usurp someone else who DID put in the work but is taking a break!

InaMoonlight

Grimm13 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

InaMoonlight wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

@InaMoonlight, if you're worried about losing your guild, just make sure you log in at least once a month.

Already had a bout of cancer, continuous multiple scleroses and two broken computers with no budget, equaling six months offline with library computers and a cell radio, saving and fighting for a new computer, last, i spent two months in bed trying not to die. If i survived and came back to find six years and 3k hours of helping (per server), having our identity as a guild abused, guildbank robbed, I would NOT be happy, I would go to war. One was bad enough.

Then you should have designated a successor and promoted them to guild leader before leaving. A guild is a community, first and foremost. It is not your personal fiefdom. If you hadn't survived, and a system like this didn't exist, your remaining guild members would have been permanently punished by a guildmaster too selfish to pass leadership to someone who was actually playing.

In fact, from past experience, guild leaders who abandon their guilds tend to condemn those guilds to a slow death as players wander off to other places. Your guild is not about you, it is about the community you've helped to create. This system creates a method which allows that community to outlive you.

Wrong as well. You are implying that a Guild is a democracy in ESO. There is no voting structure within ESO Guild Management, it is not a Democracy unless the GM chooses to operate that way and use a means not regulated by ESO to employ it. If this was the desire of ZOS for Guilds, then they would include that within Guild Management Tools.

If a GM does not pass on Guild Ownership then it shows there is no intent that any one else should be appointed by ZOS to assume control.

If you do not like how a Guild is Ran then do not stay or join it. Further do not expect ZOS to make changes in a guild you belong to because you do not like how the OWNER set it up and runs it.

And btw, I'm the GM in this matter. Should read the rest of the posts.

MasterSpatula

I was in a guild that was started in 2014 that had gotten down to around three active players. I put in a ticket asking for guild leadership to be passed to an active player. ZOS did pass leadership to a player but not to me, even thought I was pretty sure I was the most active member still left.

So they will pass leadership, but might not give it to anyone who asks directly for it.

Cloudtrader

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I took over leadership of a guild I was in after the leader and officer hadn't logged in for 2 years. There are 4 of us left in the guild who play together regularly, and a bunch of ghost members who haven't logged on in years.

We stole nothing. We claimed abandoned property that we obviously cared for more than the supposed leader.

Grimm13

InaMoonlight wrote: »

Grimm13 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

InaMoonlight wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

@InaMoonlight, if you're worried about losing your guild, just make sure you log in at least once a month.

Already had a bout of cancer, continuous multiple scleroses and two broken computers with no budget, equaling six months offline with library computers and a cell radio, saving and fighting for a new computer, last, i spent two months in bed trying not to die. If i survived and came back to find six years and 3k hours of helping (per server), having our identity as a guild abused, guildbank robbed, I would NOT be happy, I would go to war. One was bad enough.

Then you should have designated a successor and promoted them to guild leader before leaving. A guild is a community, first and foremost. It is not your personal fiefdom. If you hadn't survived, and a system like this didn't exist, your remaining guild members would have been permanently punished by a guildmaster too selfish to pass leadership to someone who was actually playing.

In fact, from past experience, guild leaders who abandon their guilds tend to condemn those guilds to a slow death as players wander off to other places. Your guild is not about you, it is about the community you've helped to create. This system creates a method which allows that community to outlive you.

Wrong as well. You are implying that a Guild is a democracy in ESO. There is no voting structure within ESO Guild Management, it is not a Democracy unless the GM chooses to operate that way and use a means not regulated by ESO to employ it. If this was the desire of ZOS for Guilds, then they would include that within Guild Management Tools.

If a GM does not pass on Guild Ownership then it shows there is no intent that any one else should be appointed by ZOS to assume control.

If you do not like how a Guild is Ran then do not stay or join it. Further do not expect ZOS to make changes in a guild you belong to because you do not like how the OWNER set it up and runs it.

And btw, I'm the GM in this matter. Should read the rest of the posts.

Note that I quoted Starkerealm, I think the system glitched as there are several quotes. Was meant as response to Starkrealm

Shardaxx

InaMoonlight wrote: »

Shardaxx wrote: »

This happened in one of my guilds. Someone put in a ticket to explain the situation and ZOS handed him the guild leadership, so yes it can be done.

Shouldn't be possible unless HANDED or HOLDING leadership - for someone else, say I am leader, but I can only have one "friend holds it for me" pre-leaving game shell-leader leaves the game, someone i invited a week before, still not realizing they're meh, just want to take over the whole lot wrecking the reputation, scamming with a known helper-guilds title, AND OWNERSHIP!? wth is going on here @ZOS_GinaBruno ??? You'd seriously do that?!?! Nice to know in advance! Btw flag all of my guilds but Moon Sugar as NOT TRADABLE except for one the one person who has permit to ONE of them, they're mine, i worked my butt off helping thousands of people wearing that/those tabards, imagine them in the hands of one mistakenly/fake invited who uses our good rep, to do harm, empties all we worked for in guild bank, drains and wrecks the newbie players we wanna empower and so forth, not ok

The previous guildmaster wasn't playing eso for months. I'm not sure if ZOS contacted him to ok the handover or not, but the guild was given over to one of the officers who had put in the ticket. He didn't "steal" it or anything, and there was no comeback from the previous guildmaster, I guess he was happy for the guild to go on without him.

InaMoonlight

Shardaxx wrote: »

InaMoonlight wrote: »

Shardaxx wrote: »

This happened in one of my guilds. Someone put in a ticket to explain the situation and ZOS handed him the guild leadership, so yes it can be done.

Shouldn't be possible unless HANDED or HOLDING leadership - for someone else, say I am leader, but I can only have one "friend holds it for me" pre-leaving game shell-leader leaves the game, someone i invited a week before, still not realizing they're meh, just want to take over the whole lot wrecking the reputation, scamming with a known helper-guilds title, AND OWNERSHIP!? wth is going on here @ZOS_GinaBruno ??? You'd seriously do that?!?! Nice to know in advance! Btw flag all of my guilds but Moon Sugar as NOT TRADABLE except for one the one person who has permit to ONE of them, they're mine, i worked my butt off helping thousands of people wearing that/those tabards, imagine them in the hands of one mistakenly/fake invited who uses our good rep, to do harm, empties all we worked for in guild bank, drains and wrecks the newbie players we wanna empower and so forth, not ok

The previous guildmaster wasn't playing eso for months. I'm not sure if ZOS contacted him to ok the handover or not, but the guild was given over to one of the officers who had put in the ticket. He didn't "steal" it or anything, and there was no comeback from the previous guildmaster, I guess he was happy for the guild to go on without him.

If GM didn't say, eh, you want to carry this on (in my spirit) If they aren't an officer or co-leader, they're just a theif. And obviously not welcome to neither guild, members or guildbank, and should just get off their sittingdevice and put in the work to create their own instead of stealing someone else's who might have rl issues, broken comp, illness or change of circumstances overall, inactive guild= Not free for the taking, survive *____insert illness or other catastrophe___* They need to click the leave button and make their own, not steal someone elses work.

InaMoonlight

Long-time existing guilds have a rep, noone who worked thousands of hours for THAT wants to come back to see it in the hands of someone who just wants an already populated guild (which proooobably has it's reasons) stuffed guildbank, or use of the name, of wich someone already made a legacy for?

InaMoonlight

To personalize it; if i saw someone who'd been in guild for a wee bit, my comp croak, and i come back to see three guilds i spent all of the gametime making synonymous with help, kindness, dirty humor and info, suddenly beng used to scam people, or kick all of my darlings who are either on hiatus, playing another game, or a dead memory, in the guild _I_ /_WE_ worked our sittindevices off for and created an identity for... I'd get a little...mmh.. miffed, i have a couple tombstones in mine.

xXMeowMeowXx

ArchMikem wrote: »

InaMoonlight wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

You can. Contact customer support and let them know. If the guildmaster has been inactive for 30 days or more, Customer Support can reassign leadership to an active, ranking member.

I've done this.

Usurp someone ELSES guild and work? So that's a new thing? What if their computer broke, they take a bit to get a new one, you feel utterly entitled to steal everything they worked for including contents of guild bank?!

ZOS_GinaBruno ZOS_JessicaFolsom Is this for real?!

Youre making it sound a lot worse than it is.

I don’t think so. People have irl issues and some scrub shouldn’t be able to empty the guild bank and take over someone elses hardwork!

I guess, the lesson here is if you have an irl issue....make sure to empty the coffers and kick everyone except your alts

InaMoonlight

This actually make me re-think inviting anyone new, despite thats pretty much the purpose of my guilds, but if youre gonna hijack it if I'm sick or computerless for a month, I will start cleaning and making statement to ZoS that NONE of guilds are to be touched, sad thing to put in a dying will eh?..

Shardaxx

InaMoonlight wrote: »

Long-time existing guilds have a rep, noone who worked thousands of hours for THAT wants to come back to see it in the hands of someone who just wants an already populated guild (which proooobably has it's reasons) stuffed guildbank, or use of the name, of wich someone already made a legacy for?

No no it was nothing like that at all. The officer who took over the guild already had access to the guild bank, it wasn't about stealing anything. It was largely the officers who had grown the guild in the first place, along with the guildmaster, until he stopped playing. The guild is still going today with a large active playerbase. If the original guildmaster wanted to rejoin, he would be welcome, but he never has.

InaMoonlight

Shardaxx wrote: »

InaMoonlight wrote: »

Long-time existing guilds have a rep, noone who worked thousands of hours for THAT wants to come back to see it in the hands of someone who just wants an already populated guild (which proooobably has it's reasons) stuffed guildbank, or use of the name, of wich someone already made a legacy for?

No no it was nothing like that at all. The officer who took over the guild already had access to the guild bank, it wasn't about stealing anything. It was largely the officers who had grown the guild in the first place, along with the guildmaster, until he stopped playing. The guild is still going today with a large active playerbase. If the original guildmaster wanted to rejoin, he would be welcome, but he never has.

Why not just go, Ooooookkilidokilyyyy, we'll make our own, invite the people they know, they leave the inactive and join OUR new guild?

It's never ok to take someones legacy...

Shardaxx

InaMoonlight wrote: »

Shardaxx wrote: »

InaMoonlight wrote: »

Long-time existing guilds have a rep, noone who worked thousands of hours for THAT wants to come back to see it in the hands of someone who just wants an already populated guild (which proooobably has it's reasons) stuffed guildbank, or use of the name, of wich someone already made a legacy for?

No no it was nothing like that at all. The officer who took over the guild already had access to the guild bank, it wasn't about stealing anything. It was largely the officers who had grown the guild in the first place, along with the guildmaster, until he stopped playing. The guild is still going today with a large active playerbase. If the original guildmaster wanted to rejoin, he would be welcome, but he never has.

Why not just go, Ooooookkilidokilyyyy, we'll make our own, invite the people they know, they leave the inactive and join OUR new guild?

It's never ok to take someones legacy...

Cos that would have involved inviting about 400 people lol so why bother, easier to just take it over which was fine for all parties involved.

idk

Shardaxx wrote: »

InaMoonlight wrote: »

Shardaxx wrote: »

This happened in one of my guilds. Someone put in a ticket to explain the situation and ZOS handed him the guild leadership, so yes it can be done.

Shouldn't be possible unless HANDED or HOLDING leadership - for someone else, say I am leader, but I can only have one "friend holds it for me" pre-leaving game shell-leader leaves the game, someone i invited a week before, still not realizing they're meh, just want to take over the whole lot wrecking the reputation, scamming with a known helper-guilds title, AND OWNERSHIP!? wth is going on here @ZOS_GinaBruno ??? You'd seriously do that?!?! Nice to know in advance! Btw flag all of my guilds but Moon Sugar as NOT TRADABLE except for one the one person who has permit to ONE of them, they're mine, i worked my butt off helping thousands of people wearing that/those tabards, imagine them in the hands of one mistakenly/fake invited who uses our good rep, to do harm, empties all we worked for in guild bank, drains and wrecks the newbie players we wanna empower and so forth, not ok

The previous guildmaster wasn't playing eso for months. I'm not sure if ZOS contacted him to ok the handover or not, but the guild was given over to one of the officers who had put in the ticket. He didn't "steal" it or anything, and there was no comeback from the previous guildmaster, I guess he was happy for the guild to go on without him.

This is how it should be. If the GM has abandoned the game for an extended period of time the rest should not have to suffer and have to reform. It is not the GMs guild, they are just the leader. A good guild leader would want the guild to be able to continue in their absence. It is good that Zos will work with the remaining players/leaders and hand over the reigns in a situation the previous GM has not been around.

CassandraGemini

InaMoonlight wrote: »

This actually make me re-think inviting anyone new, despite thats pretty much the purpose of my guilds, but if youre gonna hijack it if I'm sick or computerless for a month, I will start cleaning and making statement to ZoS that NONE of guilds are to be touched, sad thing to put in a dying will eh?..

I absolutely don't mean to be insensitive or disrespectful, given your story I can see why you're so emotionally involved in this. But if you really were to instruct ZOS specifically to not let anyone else take ownership of your guiild in such a case, and you actually would die, the guild would surely die with you. No one would be able to take it and keep it alive, because how would they ever know you're dead?

What you might want to do instead is to tell someone close to you (irl I mean) to keep a trusted guild member posted about things via Discord for example. That way the guild would know about your status and how long they would have to wait for your return.

(I'm sorry, this is a really grim subject and it somehow feels wrong to talk about someone's potential death on a gaming forum, but I still felt like saying this).

idk

CassandraGemini wrote: »

InaMoonlight wrote: »

This actually make me re-think inviting anyone new, despite thats pretty much the purpose of my guilds, but if youre gonna hijack it if I'm sick or computerless for a month, I will start cleaning and making statement to ZoS that NONE of guilds are to be touched, sad thing to put in a dying will eh?..

I absolutely don't mean to be insensitive or disrespectful, given your story I can see why you're so emotionally involved in this. But if you really were to instruct ZOS specifically to not let anyone else take ownership of your guiild in such a case, and you actually would die, the guild would surely die with you. No one would be able to take it and keep it alive, because how would they ever know you're dead?

Something tells me they do not care. That the guild was all about them and the members are meaningless. Just saying that based on their comments that seem to adamantly support that. Sad.

xXMeowMeowXx

idk wrote: »

Shardaxx wrote: »

InaMoonlight wrote: »

Shardaxx wrote: »

This happened in one of my guilds. Someone put in a ticket to explain the situation and ZOS handed him the guild leadership, so yes it can be done.

Shouldn't be possible unless HANDED or HOLDING leadership - for someone else, say I am leader, but I can only have one "friend holds it for me" pre-leaving game shell-leader leaves the game, someone i invited a week before, still not realizing they're meh, just want to take over the whole lot wrecking the reputation, scamming with a known helper-guilds title, AND OWNERSHIP!? wth is going on here @ZOS_GinaBruno ??? You'd seriously do that?!?! Nice to know in advance! Btw flag all of my guilds but Moon Sugar as NOT TRADABLE except for one the one person who has permit to ONE of them, they're mine, i worked my butt off helping thousands of people wearing that/those tabards, imagine them in the hands of one mistakenly/fake invited who uses our good rep, to do harm, empties all we worked for in guild bank, drains and wrecks the newbie players we wanna empower and so forth, not ok

The previous guildmaster wasn't playing eso for months. I'm not sure if ZOS contacted him to ok the handover or not, but the guild was given over to one of the officers who had put in the ticket. He didn't "steal" it or anything, and there was no comeback from the previous guildmaster, I guess he was happy for the guild to go on without him.

This is how it should be. If the GM has abandoned the game for an extended period of time the rest should not have to suffer and have to reform. It is not the GMs guild, they are just the leader. A good guild leader would want the guild to be able to continue in their absence. It is good that Zos will work with the remaining players/leaders and hand over the reigns in a situation the previous GM has not been around.

NOT TRUE !! It should belong to the GM and only the GM, simple.

Many people do not donate or do anything for guilds and do not deserve anything. They furthermore didn’t create the guild. This should be a decision that the GM can only make, not ZoS.

If a guild members are unhappy. Then they should leave the guild and create their own ‘guild’. Let them do all the hard work, only to have some low caliber person try to steal it.

Being in a Guild should never entitle anyone to such a thing.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
@ZOS_RichLambert

Please change it that people’s guilds cannot ever be robbed from them in such a manner. It will be abused by the toxic members of the community and should not ever be !!

Guilds should be considered the players property that created it.

idk

xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Shardaxx wrote: »

InaMoonlight wrote: »

Shardaxx wrote: »

This happened in one of my guilds. Someone put in a ticket to explain the situation and ZOS handed him the guild leadership, so yes it can be done.

Shouldn't be possible unless HANDED or HOLDING leadership - for someone else, say I am leader, but I can only have one "friend holds it for me" pre-leaving game shell-leader leaves the game, someone i invited a week before, still not realizing they're meh, just want to take over the whole lot wrecking the reputation, scamming with a known helper-guilds title, AND OWNERSHIP!? wth is going on here @ZOS_GinaBruno ??? You'd seriously do that?!?! Nice to know in advance! Btw flag all of my guilds but Moon Sugar as NOT TRADABLE except for one the one person who has permit to ONE of them, they're mine, i worked my butt off helping thousands of people wearing that/those tabards, imagine them in the hands of one mistakenly/fake invited who uses our good rep, to do harm, empties all we worked for in guild bank, drains and wrecks the newbie players we wanna empower and so forth, not ok

The previous guildmaster wasn't playing eso for months. I'm not sure if ZOS contacted him to ok the handover or not, but the guild was given over to one of the officers who had put in the ticket. He didn't "steal" it or anything, and there was no comeback from the previous guildmaster, I guess he was happy for the guild to go on without him.

This is how it should be. If the GM has abandoned the game for an extended period of time the rest should not have to suffer and have to reform. It is not the GMs guild, they are just the leader. A good guild leader would want the guild to be able to continue in their absence. It is good that Zos will work with the remaining players/leaders and hand over the reigns in a situation the previous GM has not been around.

NOT TRUE !! It should belong to the GM and only the GM, simple.

Many people do not donate or do anything for guilds and do not deserve anything. They furthermore didn’t create the guild. This should be a decision that the GM can only make not ZoS.

If a guild members are unhappy, then they should leave the guild and create their own. Let them do all the hard work, only to have a low caliber person try to steal it.

Being in a Guild should never entitle anyone to such a thing.

Please change it that people’s guilds cannot ever be robbed from them in such a manner. It will be abused by the toxic members of the community and should not ever be !!

Guilds should be considered the players property that created it.

First off the TOS suggests otherwise as it specifically states we do not even own our own accounts or the characters we create. That alone says the guild is not the property of the GM. Besides, we are talking about guild leaders that have abandoned the game which means they have abandoned the guild as well.

Further, any good guild leader does not make the guilds about them. It is about the players. Anyone in a guild where the GM is this possessive of the guild should leave and find or make a better guild. This selfish possessive attitude is really sad.

CassandraGemini

xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Shardaxx wrote: »

InaMoonlight wrote: »

Shardaxx wrote: »

This happened in one of my guilds. Someone put in a ticket to explain the situation and ZOS handed him the guild leadership, so yes it can be done.

Shouldn't be possible unless HANDED or HOLDING leadership - for someone else, say I am leader, but I can only have one "friend holds it for me" pre-leaving game shell-leader leaves the game, someone i invited a week before, still not realizing they're meh, just want to take over the whole lot wrecking the reputation, scamming with a known helper-guilds title, AND OWNERSHIP!? wth is going on here @ZOS_GinaBruno ??? You'd seriously do that?!?! Nice to know in advance! Btw flag all of my guilds but Moon Sugar as NOT TRADABLE except for one the one person who has permit to ONE of them, they're mine, i worked my butt off helping thousands of people wearing that/those tabards, imagine them in the hands of one mistakenly/fake invited who uses our good rep, to do harm, empties all we worked for in guild bank, drains and wrecks the newbie players we wanna empower and so forth, not ok

The previous guildmaster wasn't playing eso for months. I'm not sure if ZOS contacted him to ok the handover or not, but the guild was given over to one of the officers who had put in the ticket. He didn't "steal" it or anything, and there was no comeback from the previous guildmaster, I guess he was happy for the guild to go on without him.

This is how it should be. If the GM has abandoned the game for an extended period of time the rest should not have to suffer and have to reform. It is not the GMs guild, they are just the leader. A good guild leader would want the guild to be able to continue in their absence. It is good that Zos will work with the remaining players/leaders and hand over the reigns in a situation the previous GM has not been around.

NOT TRUE !! It should belong to the GM and only the GM, simple.

Many people do not donate or do anything for guilds and do not deserve anything. They furthermore didn’t create the guild. This should be a decision that the GM can only make, not ZoS.

If a guild members are unhappy. Then they should leave the guild and create their own ‘guild’. Let them do all the hard work, only to have some low caliber person try to steal it.

Being in a Guild should never entitle anyone to such a thing.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
@ZOS_RichLambert

Please change it that people’s guilds cannot ever be robbed from them in such a manner. It will be abused by the toxic members of the community and should not ever be !!

Guilds should be considered the players property that created it.

Why are you trying so hard to make this about some sort of "property"? Isn't a guild a community, first and foremost, that is made up of more people than just the GM? I don't know if you have your own guild, but by the way you react here I'm going to guess that you have: Would you really want your guild to just die, if you, for whatever reason, were not to return to the game anymore? And if you were to be away from the game for a really long time, how would you expect anyone to know whether you'll return or not? Isn't it the only reasonable thing for the other guildmembers in such a case to want to keep the guild going?

InaMoonlight

CassandraGemini wrote: »

InaMoonlight wrote: »

This actually make me re-think inviting anyone new, despite thats pretty much the purpose of my guilds, but if youre gonna hijack it if I'm sick or computerless for a month, I will start cleaning and making statement to ZoS that NONE of guilds are to be touched, sad thing to put in a dying will eh?..

I absolutely don't mean to be insensitive or disrespectful, given your story I can see why you're so emotionally involved in this. But if you really were to instruct ZOS specifically to not let anyone else take ownership of your guiild in such a case, and you actually would die, the guild would surely die with you. No one would be able to take it and keep it alive, because how would they ever know you're dead?

What you might want to do instead is to tell someone close to you (irl I mean) to keep a trusted guild member posted about things via Discord for example. That way the guild would know about your status and how long they would have to wait for your return.

(I'm sorry, this is a really grim subject and it somehow feels wrong to talk about someone's potential death on a gaming forum, but I still felt like saying this).

The one person i have designated co-lead, cause i KNOW he would carry it on in the same mindset, no probldem, but if a one-month newbie wants to take it for the name or bank, cause I've been out more then aa month (being fairly ill but getting better). I would get a little angry... I spent six years on theese guilds, all of them (I think im at about six, four of them for hep-storage) It would pretty much mean that me and mine WASTED six years trying to make this community comfy, and we can't even have our refugees... You may have met Sinnie/Sinny/Sinni/Sinsuane (Or some of the others) somewhere, maybe not in even in this game, but if my guilds, after all this helping, advising trying to make other peoples have fun, get taken over by a stranger danger, was was all those those thousands and thousands of hours doing over remaining guild who trusts me and mine, get scammed by a one-week-member-faker and we're claimed botters or crownscammers? If my guild arent safe from hostile takeover, then why the fork have I worn the tabard all along??? OH, there's the crownscammerguild... That would be, something.

Whats the pointe now... Aaaaall those years, all those newbies, all that work, good karma, community building, can now get handed over to someone i met a couple days before my computer or I croak, without consent! We've been 800 + probs, some inactives pops up a couple times a year, but now all our helpfulness get us our guild handed over to AAAAAANYONE? WTF!

KEEP your grubby slimey greedy hands off others work and history, if you cant do it yourself you need to be a beta-wolf anyway, find a done 500m guild. Don't be a parasite.

Jhava

Guilds should be treated as belonging to the membership. The founder has control until voted out, or removed because they have departed for what ever reason.

Otherwise call it a domain.

Members should have a way to transfer control, be it votes, tickets, riots, strikes, or blockades.

The person is not the guild, the guild is the people.


On a serious note. The guilds in game have only a small guild bank and a trader for a week. No property, no guild hall, nothing to really claim other than name. It's easy to reform...unless you are 400+ members, then its a pain in the pants.

My2coins.