If my GM stops playing, can I get control of the guild?

Stanx

Would be good to hear ZOS' actual stance on this as people are getting awful riled up over pure conjecture here.

Grimm13

Jhava wrote: »

Guilds should be treated as belonging to the membership. The founder has control until voted out, or removed because they have departed for what ever reason.

Otherwise call it a domain.

Members should have a way to transfer control, be it votes, tickets, riots, strikes, or blockades.

The person is not the guild, the guild is the people.


On a serious note. The guilds in game have only a small guild bank and a trader for a week. No property, no guild hall, nothing to really claim other than name. It's easy to reform...unless you are 400+ members, then its a pain in the pants.

My2coins.

The entire way ZOS has created Guilds in ESO speak contrary to this. If this was meant to be then any or all of these means would have been built into Guild Management. They are not present. What is present is a person creating a Guild and being named OWNER of the Guild and Guild name. Only a voluntary way of handing the Guild off to another was created within the Management System.

Every one tat has joined a Guild agrees that sole GM has rights to Allowing Officers, Guild Bank, Guild Gold and who may stay within a Guild or be invited. This is the structure that ZOS has created.

Cloudtrader

xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »

Guilds should be considered the players property that created it.

The guild belongs to the people logging in, not some creator who left the game.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

I feel like saying something about pots and kettles...Or maybe rocks and glass houses.

victory.immortalb16_ESO

My trade guild lost it's leadership as a result of the changes to the bidding system- it all got too much like hard work, so they are 'on a break'.

I'd never even dream of taking over (wouldn't want the hassle for a start).

I'm not really active enough in the game at the moment to even bother searching for another trade guild....

And it's not like other games- you can belong to more than one guild here, so just join another few- there are plenty out there to choose from.

As for the 'guild belongs to the people logging in' comment above: it's quite clear you have no clue as to how much time and effort it takes to run a major active guild, nor how much the leaders typically sink into it with all the various items into the guild hall...

Grimm13

Stanx wrote: »

Would be good to hear ZOS' actual stance on this as people are getting awful riled up over pure conjecture here.

An that makes it the most disturbing of all. ZOS remaining silent.

Over the years people have tried to get ZOS to build a better Guild management system and they refuse. A few minor changes have been made. ZOS will not even make a forum section set aside for Guild Management discussions & Issues.

InaMoonlight

victory.immortalb16_ESO wrote: »

My trade guild lost it's leadership as a result of the changes to the bidding system- it all got too much like hard work, so they are 'on a break'.

I'd never even dream of taking over (wouldn't want the hassle for a start).

I'm not really active enough in the game at the moment to even bother searching for another trade guild....

And it's not like other games- you can belong to more than one guild here, so just join another few- there are plenty out there to choose from.

As for the 'guild belongs to the people logging in' comment above: it's quite clear you have no clue as to how much time and effort it takes to run a major active guild, nor how much the leaders typically sink into it with all the various items into the guild hall...

Are you on NA PC? Can hook you up

Jhava

Grimm13 wrote: »

Jhava wrote: »

Guilds should be treated as belonging to the membership. The founder has control until voted out, or removed because they have departed for what ever reason.

Otherwise call it a domain.

Members should have a way to transfer control, be it votes, tickets, riots, strikes, or blockades.

The person is not the guild, the guild is the people.


On a serious note. The guilds in game have only a small guild bank and a trader for a week. No property, no guild hall, nothing to really claim other than name. It's easy to reform...unless you are 400+ members, then its a pain in the pants.

My2coins.

The entire way ZOS has created Guilds in ESO speak contrary to this. If this was meant to be then any or all of these means would have been built into Guild Management. They are not present. What is present is a person creating a Guild and being named OWNER of the Guild and Guild name. Only a voluntary way of handing the Guild off to another was created within the Management System.

Every one tat has joined a Guild agrees that sole GM has rights to Allowing Officers, Guild Bank, Guild Gold and who may stay within a Guild or be invited. This is the structure that ZOS has created.

I am not good at quoting, but here goes...

Even in the game play we see a guild remove a leader by vote of a council. This should be included in player guilds. Players make the guild. The union of members brought together for a purpose.

Just because this leader leaves, does not mean the membership body withers, and they should have the means to remove and replace the figurehead of the group.

On the other hand.... Ownership is a right, and if someone creates something, no matter how many others help or are involved...they alone should decide the fates of the body.

My2Coins.

Grimm13

idk wrote: »

xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Shardaxx wrote: »

InaMoonlight wrote: »

Shardaxx wrote: »

This happened in one of my guilds. Someone put in a ticket to explain the situation and ZOS handed him the guild leadership, so yes it can be done.

Shouldn't be possible unless HANDED or HOLDING leadership - for someone else, say I am leader, but I can only have one "friend holds it for me" pre-leaving game shell-leader leaves the game, someone i invited a week before, still not realizing they're meh, just want to take over the whole lot wrecking the reputation, scamming with a known helper-guilds title, AND OWNERSHIP!? wth is going on here @ZOS_GinaBruno ??? You'd seriously do that?!?! Nice to know in advance! Btw flag all of my guilds but Moon Sugar as NOT TRADABLE except for one the one person who has permit to ONE of them, they're mine, i worked my butt off helping thousands of people wearing that/those tabards, imagine them in the hands of one mistakenly/fake invited who uses our good rep, to do harm, empties all we worked for in guild bank, drains and wrecks the newbie players we wanna empower and so forth, not ok

The previous guildmaster wasn't playing eso for months. I'm not sure if ZOS contacted him to ok the handover or not, but the guild was given over to one of the officers who had put in the ticket. He didn't "steal" it or anything, and there was no comeback from the previous guildmaster, I guess he was happy for the guild to go on without him.

This is how it should be. If the GM has abandoned the game for an extended period of time the rest should not have to suffer and have to reform. It is not the GMs guild, they are just the leader. A good guild leader would want the guild to be able to continue in their absence. It is good that Zos will work with the remaining players/leaders and hand over the reigns in a situation the previous GM has not been around.

NOT TRUE !! It should belong to the GM and only the GM, simple.

Many people do not donate or do anything for guilds and do not deserve anything. They furthermore didn’t create the guild. This should be a decision that the GM can only make not ZoS.

If a guild members are unhappy, then they should leave the guild and create their own. Let them do all the hard work, only to have a low caliber person try to steal it.

Being in a Guild should never entitle anyone to such a thing.

Please change it that people’s guilds cannot ever be robbed from them in such a manner. It will be abused by the toxic members of the community and should not ever be !!

Guilds should be considered the players property that created it.

First off the TOS suggests otherwise as it specifically states we do not even own our own accounts or the characters we create. That alone says the guild is not the property of the GM. Besides, we are talking about guild leaders that have abandoned the game which means they have abandoned the guild as well.

Further, any good guild leader does not make the guilds about them. It is about the players. Anyone in a guild where the GM is this possessive of the guild should leave and find or make a better guild. This selfish possessive attitude is really sad.

ZOS grants access in ESO to everything they believe a players in entitled to. Each Character on an account has their own inventory and currencies. There is a account inventory and currencies for what can be shared.
Have more than one account, you can not access across those accounts.

Create a Guild, as owner you are automatically granted access to the Bank and Gold when no one else within the Guild is given automatic access. Join a Guild and you are not granted access to anything unless the GM/Owner grants it to you.

There is no choice in Guild Governments in ESO. It is a dictatorship and we all hope for a benevolent dictator when we join a Guild. If they are not then we leave that Guild.

JumpmanLane

Op probably doesn’t want the items in the bank. If he was one of the last ones in it it probably meant something to him. There may have been good times in it.

Jhava

Grimm13 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Shardaxx wrote: »

InaMoonlight wrote: »

Shardaxx wrote: »

This happened in one of my guilds. Someone put in a ticket to explain the situation and ZOS handed him the guild leadership, so yes it can be done.

Shouldn't be possible unless HANDED or HOLDING leadership - for someone else, say I am leader, but I can only have one "friend holds it for me" pre-leaving game shell-leader leaves the game, someone i invited a week before, still not realizing they're meh, just want to take over the whole lot wrecking the reputation, scamming with a known helper-guilds title, AND OWNERSHIP!? wth is going on here @ZOS_GinaBruno ??? You'd seriously do that?!?! Nice to know in advance! Btw flag all of my guilds but Moon Sugar as NOT TRADABLE except for one the one person who has permit to ONE of them, they're mine, i worked my butt off helping thousands of people wearing that/those tabards, imagine them in the hands of one mistakenly/fake invited who uses our good rep, to do harm, empties all we worked for in guild bank, drains and wrecks the newbie players we wanna empower and so forth, not ok

The previous guildmaster wasn't playing eso for months. I'm not sure if ZOS contacted him to ok the handover or not, but the guild was given over to one of the officers who had put in the ticket. He didn't "steal" it or anything, and there was no comeback from the previous guildmaster, I guess he was happy for the guild to go on without him.

This is how it should be. If the GM has abandoned the game for an extended period of time the rest should not have to suffer and have to reform. It is not the GMs guild, they are just the leader. A good guild leader would want the guild to be able to continue in their absence. It is good that Zos will work with the remaining players/leaders and hand over the reigns in a situation the previous GM has not been around.

NOT TRUE !! It should belong to the GM and only the GM, simple.

Many people do not donate or do anything for guilds and do not deserve anything. They furthermore didn’t create the guild. This should be a decision that the GM can only make not ZoS.

If a guild members are unhappy, then they should leave the guild and create their own. Let them do all the hard work, only to have a low caliber person try to steal it.

Being in a Guild should never entitle anyone to such a thing.

Please change it that people’s guilds cannot ever be robbed from them in such a manner. It will be abused by the toxic members of the community and should not ever be !!

Guilds should be considered the players property that created it.

First off the TOS suggests otherwise as it specifically states we do not even own our own accounts or the characters we create. That alone says the guild is not the property of the GM. Besides, we are talking about guild leaders that have abandoned the game which means they have abandoned the guild as well.

Further, any good guild leader does not make the guilds about them. It is about the players. Anyone in a guild where the GM is this possessive of the guild should leave and find or make a better guild. This selfish possessive attitude is really sad.

ZOS grants access in ESO to everything they believe a players in entitled to. Each Character on an account has their own inventory and currencies. There is a account inventory and currencies for what can be shared.
Have more than one account, you can not access across those accounts.

Create a Guild, as owner you are automatically granted access to the Bank and Gold when no one else within the Guild is given automatic access. Join a Guild and you are not granted access to anything unless the GM/Owner grants it to you.

There is no choice in Guild Governments in ESO. It is a dictatorship and we all hope for a benevolent dictator when we join a Guild. If they are not then we leave that Guild.

I disagree.

You are not granted access to said bank or gold ...until you add members.

Members grant you the fruits of the guild.

My2Coins.

Grimm13

Jhava wrote: »

I am not good at quoting, but here goes...

Even in the game play we see a guild remove a leader by vote of a council. This should be included in player guilds. Players make the guild. The union of members brought together for a purpose.

My2Coins.

Does ZOS provide a Council with Voting rights in a Guild. No it does not. If you want them to then get on ZOS to update and change Guild Management. I have stated it several times now, this is how it is currently.

Grimm13

Jhava wrote: »

Grimm13 wrote: »

First off the TOS suggests otherwise as it specifically states we do not even own our own accounts or the characters we create. That alone says the guild is not the property of the GM. Besides, we are talking about guild leaders that have abandoned the game which means they have abandoned the guild as well.

Further, any good guild leader does not make the guilds about them. It is about the players. Anyone in a guild where the GM is this possessive of the guild should leave and find or make a better guild. This selfish possessive attitude is really sad.

ZOS grants access in ESO to everything they believe a players in entitled to. Each Character on an account has their own inventory and currencies. There is a account inventory and currencies for what can be shared.
Have more than one account, you can not access across those accounts.

Create a Guild, as owner you are automatically granted access to the Bank and Gold when no one else within the Guild is given automatic access. Join a Guild and you are not granted access to anything unless the GM/Owner grants it to you.

There is no choice in Guild Governments in ESO. It is a dictatorship and we all hope for a benevolent dictator when we join a Guild. If they are not then we leave that Guild.

I disagree.

You are not granted access to said bank or gold ...until you add members.
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When the conditions are met, who is granted sole rights to them by ZOS? The Guild Master/ Owner.

Cute attempt at semantics and ignoring the facts as to who ZOS grants the rights to and leaves it up to them as to who else shall share in those benefits.

If it was community property then every member in a Guild would be granted equal access that should not be changed expect by ZOS with Guild Management update.

DragonRacer

Holy moly. I have only read through 2 of these 4 pages, so forgive me, but my two cents.

If a GM has been literally MIA and unresponsive in any way, shape, or form for over a year, and someone wants to try and salvage what is left of that guild and legacy, they should be able to do so. What if the GM literally died and that is why they are unresponsive? Their guild dies with them?

Okay, but that seems a bit selfish if there's people still active trying to carry on the memory.

This kinda doesn't apply in this situation since guild is already dead with only, what? 2-4 people active? Better to just go form a new guild. But if there were many members still active with one-year absent GM and officers trying to keep the shipping afloat?

Speaking myself as a GM, I was incredibly fortunate to be Crowned by our founder GM. He was burning out and I, as Vice-GM, had taken on virtually all of the administrative duties on top of being very active in guild text chat answering questions, doing price checks, crafting pieces for research, etc. When he wanted to step back and focus more on the game and chasing achievements, I accepted the Crown with utmost humbleness and honor because it is a guild I truly love and feel privileged for being chosen for that role.

That being said, knowing how life can throw curveballs you don't expect and wanting my guild to always be able to go on and thrive without me if that day should come (car accident, burn out, be what it may), I have an established hierarchy in place. The founder is now my Vice-GM and has all privileges I do save for ability to edit Guild Listing because YOU CANNOT ASSIGN THAT - IT IS GM ONLY. I have a council of 2 other officers who can do everything except withdraw guild bank gold. If myself and the Vice-GM ever went totally MIA and could not be contacted via PSN message, Discord, or - in some instances - Facebook - I'd sincerely hope one of the two would put in a support ticket and ask for Crown because if I'm not contacting someone in guild leadership for over a month in some way, shape, or form (even just to say "I've been diagnosed with cancer so stuff is getting real and if you don't hear from me in X time, my final wishes are..."), then something horrendous, unexpected, and potentially permanent/lethal has happened to me. And I wouldn't want our guild of 500 people to just trickle away into death with me. The guild and the community we've fostered in it is bigger than any one person... including myself as GM.

Another guild I was in, the GM fell into a medical condition that will ultimately claim his life within the next few years. This happened a bit before Guild Finder happened, which is when we discovered that ONLY the GM could do ANYTHING with that as far as creating or editing a listing. A fellow officer and I were trying to keep that guild alive, but it was a hard battle with the GM - the heart and lifesource - MIA. Wanna know how much of an ass I felt like messaging him to ask him to pass Crown to the other officer so we could make a Guild Finder listing to try and help with recruitment? Dude's basically bed-bound and can't game at all anymore, and had to wait through several game update downloads before he could log in and pass Crown. Might've been kinder to do it via Support ticket.

Jhava

Grimm13 wrote: »

Jhava wrote: »

Grimm13 wrote: »

First off the TOS suggests otherwise as it specifically states we do not even own our own accounts or the characters we create. That alone says the guild is not the property of the GM. Besides, we are talking about guild leaders that have abandoned the game which means they have abandoned the guild as well.

Further, any good guild leader does not make the guilds about them. It is about the players. Anyone in a guild where the GM is this possessive of the guild should leave and find or make a better guild. This selfish possessive attitude is really sad.

ZOS grants access in ESO to everything they believe a players in entitled to. Each Character on an account has their own inventory and currencies. There is a account inventory and currencies for what can be shared.
Have more than one account, you can not access across those accounts.

Create a Guild, as owner you are automatically granted access to the Bank and Gold when no one else within the Guild is given automatic access. Join a Guild and you are not granted access to anything unless the GM/Owner grants it to you.

There is no choice in Guild Governments in ESO. It is a dictatorship and we all hope for a benevolent dictator when we join a Guild. If they are not then we leave that Guild.

I disagree.

You are not granted access to said bank or gold ...until you add members.

When the conditions are met, who is granted sole rights to them by ZOS? The Guild Master/ Owner.

Cute attempt at semantics and ignoring the facts as to who ZOS grants the rights to and leaves it up to them as to who else shall share in those benefits.

If it was community property then every member in a Guild would be granted equal access that should not be changed expect by ZOS with Guild Management update.


[/quote]

Sole rights as you state, have been granted to the members on many occasions.

There are no set rights, but rulings as needed to meets the needs of the members. This will continue.

One can not leave the membership adrift and not expect to be replaced.

These tools need to be made a feature.



My2Coins.

DragonRacer

starkerealm

MasterSpatula wrote: »

I was in a guild that was started in 2014 that had gotten down to around three active players. I put in a ticket asking for guild leadership to be passed to an active player. ZOS did pass leadership to a player but not to me, even thought I was pretty sure I was the most active member still left.

So they will pass leadership, but might not give it to anyone who asks directly for it.

@MasterSpatula, policy is: The highest ranking active player. So, if you've got active guild officers, leadership will be moved to one of them before being passed to some rando. They don't, necessarily, pass to the person who filed the ticket.

starkerealm

InaMoonlight wrote: »

CassandraGemini wrote: »

InaMoonlight wrote: »

This actually make me re-think inviting anyone new, despite thats pretty much the purpose of my guilds, but if youre gonna hijack it if I'm sick or computerless for a month, I will start cleaning and making statement to ZoS that NONE of guilds are to be touched, sad thing to put in a dying will eh?..

I absolutely don't mean to be insensitive or disrespectful, given your story I can see why you're so emotionally involved in this. But if you really were to instruct ZOS specifically to not let anyone else take ownership of your guiild in such a case, and you actually would die, the guild would surely die with you. No one would be able to take it and keep it alive, because how would they ever know you're dead?

What you might want to do instead is to tell someone close to you (irl I mean) to keep a trusted guild member posted about things via Discord for example. That way the guild would know about your status and how long they would have to wait for your return.

(I'm sorry, this is a really grim subject and it somehow feels wrong to talk about someone's potential death on a gaming forum, but I still felt like saying this).

The one person i have designated co-lead, cause i KNOW he would carry it on in the same mindset, no probldem, but if a one-month newbie wants to take it...

If that newbie files a ticket, it will be passed to your friend. As I've explained before, leadership is passed to the highest ranking active player in the guild. The only reason your friend might be passed over is if they're already a leader in another guild. Even then, it would go to another of your officers. The only way this could go to some random newbie is if you only had two ranks in the guild (GM and everyone else), in which case, that's on you. You set up the guild without a clear line of succession in the command structure and it's not customer support's job to sort it out. If you had a sane structure (GM, Senior Officers, Officers, Members, Recruits) then it would be (nearly) impossible for anyone below Officer to end up with GM, unless everyone abandoned ship.

InaMoonlight

starkerealm wrote: »

InaMoonlight wrote: »

CassandraGemini wrote: »

InaMoonlight wrote: »

This actually make me re-think inviting anyone new, despite thats pretty much the purpose of my guilds, but if youre gonna hijack it if I'm sick or computerless for a month, I will start cleaning and making statement to ZoS that NONE of guilds are to be touched, sad thing to put in a dying will eh?..

I absolutely don't mean to be insensitive or disrespectful, given your story I can see why you're so emotionally involved in this. But if you really were to instruct ZOS specifically to not let anyone else take ownership of your guiild in such a case, and you actually would die, the guild would surely die with you. No one would be able to take it and keep it alive, because how would they ever know you're dead?

What you might want to do instead is to tell someone close to you (irl I mean) to keep a trusted guild member posted about things via Discord for example. That way the guild would know about your status and how long they would have to wait for your return.

(I'm sorry, this is a really grim subject and it somehow feels wrong to talk about someone's potential death on a gaming forum, but I still felt like saying this).

The one person i have designated co-lead, cause i KNOW he would carry it on in the same mindset, no probldem, but if a one-month newbie wants to take it...

If that newbie files a ticket, it will be passed to your friend. As I've explained before, leadership is passed to the highest ranking active player in the guild. The only reason your friend might be passed over is if they're already a leader in another guild. Even then, it would go to another of your officers. The only way this could go to some random newbie is if you only had two ranks in the guild (GM and everyone else), in which case, that's on you. You set up the guild without a clear line of succession in the command structure and it's not customer support's job to sort it out. If you had a sane structure (GM, Senior Officers, Officers, Members, Recruits) then it would be (nearly) impossible for anyone below Officer to end up with GM, unless everyone abandoned ship.

Sorry, not true, I already lost Moon Sugar Crafters, cause I can't hold more then one guild per server, I can just hope it's not still in use. They wouldnt give it back unless i could find THIRD person to hold it, oddly enough my trust issues are thriving, idk what happened to it, but was kinda nasty getting harrassed in your OWN guild, and unable to do anything. Think I might be starting to get done, just done.

starkerealm

InaMoonlight wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

InaMoonlight wrote: »

CassandraGemini wrote: »

InaMoonlight wrote: »

This actually make me re-think inviting anyone new, despite thats pretty much the purpose of my guilds, but if youre gonna hijack it if I'm sick or computerless for a month, I will start cleaning and making statement to ZoS that NONE of guilds are to be touched, sad thing to put in a dying will eh?..

I absolutely don't mean to be insensitive or disrespectful, given your story I can see why you're so emotionally involved in this. But if you really were to instruct ZOS specifically to not let anyone else take ownership of your guiild in such a case, and you actually would die, the guild would surely die with you. No one would be able to take it and keep it alive, because how would they ever know you're dead?

What you might want to do instead is to tell someone close to you (irl I mean) to keep a trusted guild member posted about things via Discord for example. That way the guild would know about your status and how long they would have to wait for your return.

(I'm sorry, this is a really grim subject and it somehow feels wrong to talk about someone's potential death on a gaming forum, but I still felt like saying this).

The one person i have designated co-lead, cause i KNOW he would carry it on in the same mindset, no probldem, but if a one-month newbie wants to take it...

If that newbie files a ticket, it will be passed to your friend. As I've explained before, leadership is passed to the highest ranking active player in the guild. The only reason your friend might be passed over is if they're already a leader in another guild. Even then, it would go to another of your officers. The only way this could go to some random newbie is if you only had two ranks in the guild (GM and everyone else), in which case, that's on you. You set up the guild without a clear line of succession in the command structure and it's not customer support's job to sort it out. If you had a sane structure (GM, Senior Officers, Officers, Members, Recruits) then it would be (nearly) impossible for anyone below Officer to end up with GM, unless everyone abandoned ship.

Sorry, not true, I already lost Moon Sugar Crafters, cause I can't hold more then one guild per server, I can just hope it's not still in use. They wouldnt give it back unless i could find THIRD person to hold it, oddly enough my trust issues are thriving, idk what happened to it, but was kinda nasty getting harrassed in your OWN guild, and unable to do anything. Think I might be starting to get done, just done.

Correct, you are not allowed to lead more than one guild at a time. As I said:

starkerealm wrote: »

The only reason your friend might be passed over is if they're already a leader in another guild.

While you can be a member of five guilds, you are only allowed to be the leader of a single guild at a time. So, someone you trust should be in a position to take over.

If you, literally, cannot find two people you trust, in the world, you probably should not be running a guild. Much less complaining when it is taken from you and handed to someone who clearly cares about the guild members more than the prestige of having three guilds.

JumpmanLane

I know if I HAD 3 guild banks fulla Daedric thrones, I wouldn’t want anyone to get their grubby lil paws on em EITHER! Lol.

idk

Grimm13 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Shardaxx wrote: »

InaMoonlight wrote: »

Shardaxx wrote: »

This happened in one of my guilds. Someone put in a ticket to explain the situation and ZOS handed him the guild leadership, so yes it can be done.

Shouldn't be possible unless HANDED or HOLDING leadership - for someone else, say I am leader, but I can only have one "friend holds it for me" pre-leaving game shell-leader leaves the game, someone i invited a week before, still not realizing they're meh, just want to take over the whole lot wrecking the reputation, scamming with a known helper-guilds title, AND OWNERSHIP!? wth is going on here @ZOS_GinaBruno ??? You'd seriously do that?!?! Nice to know in advance! Btw flag all of my guilds but Moon Sugar as NOT TRADABLE except for one the one person who has permit to ONE of them, they're mine, i worked my butt off helping thousands of people wearing that/those tabards, imagine them in the hands of one mistakenly/fake invited who uses our good rep, to do harm, empties all we worked for in guild bank, drains and wrecks the newbie players we wanna empower and so forth, not ok

The previous guildmaster wasn't playing eso for months. I'm not sure if ZOS contacted him to ok the handover or not, but the guild was given over to one of the officers who had put in the ticket. He didn't "steal" it or anything, and there was no comeback from the previous guildmaster, I guess he was happy for the guild to go on without him.

This is how it should be. If the GM has abandoned the game for an extended period of time the rest should not have to suffer and have to reform. It is not the GMs guild, they are just the leader. A good guild leader would want the guild to be able to continue in their absence. It is good that Zos will work with the remaining players/leaders and hand over the reigns in a situation the previous GM has not been around.

NOT TRUE !! It should belong to the GM and only the GM, simple.

Many people do not donate or do anything for guilds and do not deserve anything. They furthermore didn’t create the guild. This should be a decision that the GM can only make not ZoS.

If a guild members are unhappy, then they should leave the guild and create their own. Let them do all the hard work, only to have a low caliber person try to steal it.

Being in a Guild should never entitle anyone to such a thing.

Please change it that people’s guilds cannot ever be robbed from them in such a manner. It will be abused by the toxic members of the community and should not ever be !!

Guilds should be considered the players property that created it.

First off the TOS suggests otherwise as it specifically states we do not even own our own accounts or the characters we create. That alone says the guild is not the property of the GM. Besides, we are talking about guild leaders that have abandoned the game which means they have abandoned the guild as well.

Further, any good guild leader does not make the guilds about them. It is about the players. Anyone in a guild where the GM is this possessive of the guild should leave and find or make a better guild. This selfish possessive attitude is really sad.

ZOS grants access in ESO to everything they believe a players in entitled to. Each Character on an account has their own inventory and currencies. There is a account inventory and currencies for what can be shared.
Have more than one account, you can not access across those accounts.

Create a Guild, as owner you are automatically granted access to the Bank and Gold when no one else within the Guild is given automatic access. Join a Guild and you are not granted access to anything unless the GM/Owner grants it to you.

There is no choice in Guild Governments in ESO. It is a dictatorship and we all hope for a benevolent dictator when we join a Guild. If they are not then we leave that Guild.

Oh yes. While the guild leader is active in the game they can run the guild however they wish. However, they do not own the guild. They have no actual rights or title to the guild and Zos has replaced them when they have gone inactive and a request has been submitted as I understand from these forums.

So it is really simple. Do not want to be replaced as the guild leader then keep logging into the game.

Edit: BTW, the guild leader is not automatically granted access to the guild bank just because they created a Guild. It is a perk that is unlocked after they have enough members to get it. Iiirc they have to maintain enough members to keep it as well but less certain on last part as I have never been in a guild when it collapsed like that.

Katahdin

Wow,

WHAT did I just read?
Someone needs to take a deep breath and get a grip.

bmnoble

If your down to just a few active members your better off just finding another guild for yourself and your remaining active friends.

Starting one from scratch is something you should do only if you have the time and really enjoy the game, even then your better off joining another guild with a fully stocked guild house.



I was in a guild for a long time in SWTOR, over there the guilds leadership auto changes after a set time of the GM being inactive, it goes to the highest ranking member who logs in first after the set amount of time passes, think its something like 3 months been awhile so I don't remember the exact process.

Eventually that happened to be me, some months later the GM returns and sends me a mail asking for the guild back, I didn't see the message till the following day, when I saw it I turned leadership back over to him.

Now in my months as GM, I did nothing, didn't take anything out of the guild banks, didn't change anything in the guild house/flagship, didn't invite anybody, just stayed active playing the game, the guild was not massive and most of us were solo players mostly because I had never run a guild nor had any interest to do so.

The following day after giving back the guild to the GM, he changes my rank from being an officer in the guild to the lowest rank, no explanation, even after asking for one, not long after about a week later I left that guild.

Rave the Histborn

rustle911 wrote: »

So, I am in what would be a dead guild. I am one of 2 members who have logged in in the last 12 months and the only one in at least 4. I have messaged the GM outside of the game in an attempt to get the guild passed. I would like to start inviting players to it, but can't promote them even if I did. Is there a method by which ZoS can transfer control/ownership of the guild?

Our in a ticket for support, had it happen to an old pvp guild. The founder hadn't logged on in a year but it was still active. Took a couple days but we had a new active leader after.

amapola76

InaMoonlight wrote: »

but if a one-month newbie wants to take it for the name or bank, cause I've been out more then aa month (being fairly ill but getting better). I would get a little angry...

You're basically making up a detailed imaginary/hypothetical scenario that literally no one has described as an actual thing that has happened... nor do you seem to have any evidence that there's any likelihood that this ever wouldhappen... and it has made you so worked up that you've posted, what, fifty or so lengthy, angry posts.

Sincerely, this can't be good for your health. If you're this worried about what will happen with your guilds if you're away, temporarily or otherwise, all you can really do is put a plan in motion to provide for, which it sounds like you've done. Beyond that, you just have to let it go. You shouldn't work yourself into a frenzy over something purely imaginary.

InaMoonlight

amapola76 wrote: »

InaMoonlight wrote: »

but if a one-month newbie wants to take it for the name or bank, cause I've been out more then aa month (being fairly ill but getting better). I would get a little angry...

You're basically making up a detailed imaginary/hypothetical scenario that literally no one has described as an actual thing that has happened... nor do you seem to have any evidence that there's any likelihood that this ever wouldhappen... and it has made you so worked up that you've posted, what, fifty or so lengthy, angry posts.

Sincerely, this can't be good for your health. If you're this worried about what will happen with your guilds if you're away, temporarily or otherwise, all you can really do is put a plan in motion to provide for, which it sounds like you've done. Beyond that, you just have to let it go. You shouldn't work yourself into a frenzy over something purely imaginary.

Actually DID happen, I could not get my OWN guild back from an inactive lead, so ended up being a newer member taking over (and probably owning it now if this is true) and i efficiently got bullied out of my own guild.

Env_t

InaMoonlight wrote: »

amapola76 wrote: »

InaMoonlight wrote: »

but if a one-month newbie wants to take it for the name or bank, cause I've been out more then aa month (being fairly ill but getting better). I would get a little angry...

You're basically making up a detailed imaginary/hypothetical scenario that literally no one has described as an actual thing that has happened... nor do you seem to have any evidence that there's any likelihood that this ever wouldhappen... and it has made you so worked up that you've posted, what, fifty or so lengthy, angry posts.

Sincerely, this can't be good for your health. If you're this worried about what will happen with your guilds if you're away, temporarily or otherwise, all you can really do is put a plan in motion to provide for, which it sounds like you've done. Beyond that, you just have to let it go. You shouldn't work yourself into a frenzy over something purely imaginary.

Actually DID happen, I could not get my OWN guild back from an inactive lead, so ended up being a newer member taking over (and probably owning it now if this is true) and i efficiently got bullied out of my own guild.

you deserved this

InaMoonlight

Env_t wrote: »

InaMoonlight wrote: »

amapola76 wrote: »

InaMoonlight wrote: »

but if a one-month newbie wants to take it for the name or bank, cause I've been out more then aa month (being fairly ill but getting better). I would get a little angry...

You're basically making up a detailed imaginary/hypothetical scenario that literally no one has described as an actual thing that has happened... nor do you seem to have any evidence that there's any likelihood that this ever wouldhappen... and it has made you so worked up that you've posted, what, fifty or so lengthy, angry posts.

Sincerely, this can't be good for your health. If you're this worried about what will happen with your guilds if you're away, temporarily or otherwise, all you can really do is put a plan in motion to provide for, which it sounds like you've done. Beyond that, you just have to let it go. You shouldn't work yourself into a frenzy over something purely imaginary.

Actually DID happen, I could not get my OWN guild back from an inactive lead, so ended up being a newer member taking over (and probably owning it now if this is true) and i efficiently got bullied out of my own guild.

you deserved this

For? Putting in three years of work, millions of gold to help other people? Aren't you a huggable charmeur.

Env_t

bcs you was inactive and left your guild for four winds