barney2525 wrote: »Is this the topic of the month? We gotta see 15 of the same thread ?
OK I'll bite
How Many items can you buy for 5000 crowns ?
compare with
How many items can you get in 15 crown crates - which costs 5000 crowns ?
additionally, you can make a lot of gems in 15 crates as well, and go through and Pick specific items that you were not 'lucky' enough to obtain through the RNG.
IF you WANT to spend LOTS of REAL money - get rid of the crown crates and make every item Ala Carte
IF you Want the BEST VALUE for your money - keep the crown crates
IMHO
barney2525 wrote: »Is this the topic of the month? We gotta see 15 of the same thread ?
OK I'll bite
How Many items can you buy for 5000 crowns ?
compare with
How many items can you get in 15 crown crates - which costs 5000 crowns ?
additionally, you can make a lot of gems in 15 crates as well, and go through and Pick specific items that you were not 'lucky' enough to obtain through the RNG.
IF you WANT to spend LOTS of REAL money - get rid of the crown crates and make every item Ala Carte
IF you Want the BEST VALUE for your money - keep the crown crates
IMHO
Or they just you know.... reasonably price them?
barney2525 wrote: »Is this the topic of the month? We gotta see 15 of the same thread ?
OK I'll bite
How Many items can you buy for 5000 crowns ?
compare with
How many items can you get in 15 crown crates - which costs 5000 crowns ?
additionally, you can make a lot of gems in 15 crates as well, and go through and Pick specific items that you were not 'lucky' enough to obtain through the RNG.
IF you WANT to spend LOTS of REAL money - get rid of the crown crates and make every item Ala Carte
IF you Want the BEST VALUE for your money - keep the crown crates
IMHO
Contaminate wrote: »Anyone who claims gambling is ever consumer friendly is one or two things:
- Intentionally dishonest
- A complete sucker
Sometimes both, but there’s no logical way to argue that requiring gambling for an item is ever good for a consumer.
Clothing Shopping Consumer Friendly
Today I was talking by a Footwear store and saw a Radiant Blue Pair of Shoes with fancy lights!
I immediately walked into the store and asked how much!
The store Clerk informed me that they are not for Sale and that the only way I could get them is to give him 10$ and he will give me a Random Shoe Box that may contain any pair of shoes in the store and even the Radiant Blue Pair of Shoes!
I said WOW AMAZING that is really Consumer Friendly! Shut Up and Take my Money!
After 800$ I Finally got a Radiant pair of Shoes... But I got the Radiant Pink Pair version
I stopped there and went away with 69 pairs of old beat down shoes I wont ever wear but I traded them for store credit called Gemz, Sadly I cant trade Gemz for my Radiant Blue Pair of shoes.
Donny_Vito wrote: »What do you mean by consumer friendly? Such a vague term. This poll seems skewed towards one answer.
It is skewed towards one answer.
Items that are consumer friendly do not have to be made for direct purchase and things that are made for direct purchase do not have to necessarily be consumer friendly. They are mutually exclusive.
The question isn't whether the items are consumer-friendly.
The question is whether the manner in which they are sold is, or not.
Contaminate wrote: »Anyone who claims gambling is ever consumer friendly is one or two things:
- Intentionally dishonest
- A complete sucker
Sometimes both, but there’s no logical way to argue that requiring gambling for an item is ever good for a consumer.
Anyone who resorts to generalizing about people with a different opinion is either one or two things:
- too lazy to formulate a counter argument
- deliberately trying to misrepresent people that they disagree with
You see how that works? Now, if that's not you, maybe you should rethink your approach. You can't invoke logic and then proceed to provide nothing logical.
Anotherone773 wrote: »...
They arent using rational arguments and they are trying to get you to counter argue even the most ridiculous scenarios.
Contaminate wrote: »Contaminate wrote: »Anyone who claims gambling is ever consumer friendly is one or two things:
- Intentionally dishonest
- A complete sucker
Sometimes both, but there’s no logical way to argue that requiring gambling for an item is ever good for a consumer.
Anyone who resorts to generalizing about people with a different opinion is either one or two things:
- too lazy to formulate a counter argument
- deliberately trying to misrepresent people that they disagree with
You see how that works? Now, if that's not you, maybe you should rethink your approach. You can't invoke logic and then proceed to provide nothing logical.
You proven multiple times you consider “it makes the company money” as a good reason for exploitative practices. I don’t hold a high value of your opinion especially when you have absolutely no evidence at all that requiring gambling to obtain an item is ever in the consumers best interests. Because it isn’t Ever.
Anotherone773 wrote: »...
They arent using rational arguments and they are trying to get you to counter argue even the most ridiculous scenarios.
Anotherone773 wrote: »
I find crown crates to be very consumer friendly
Crown crates are totally cosmetic and do not affect game play in any way. Nobody is entitled to what is in them no matter how strongly some people here believe that they are entitled to anything and everything.
Do not buy them if you do not like them. Very simple.
IF crated contained things that had an effect on gameplay and tilted balance than it may possibly be different.
What someone considers to be important varies for everybody. For me, for example, the crown crates have a rather drastic effect on my gameplay and hence on my enjoyment of the game, since for me cosmetics are a big part of the game. On the other hand I couldn't care less if the crates contained things that would affect PvP or trials.
@AcrolasI wouldn't say the system is ideal, nor am I ever going to condone Bethesda hiring the individual who introduced these to the game. Questionable work history, bad fit for the company, bad fit for ESO, didn't last long. But it's an okay system. It's not the demon some people make it out to be. If you honestly feel that you didn't get at least 400 crowns worth of rewards from any one crate, send in a support ticket. Because that's the only way anyone can argue a loss, which is an important prerequisite for any gambling argument (X input = Y output that is rarely more than X but most often less than X).
Who was it they hired?