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As many countries are debating lootbox legality, how about getting rid of or replacing Crown Crates?
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Coppes✭✭✭✭Spaceroamer wrote: »Spaceroamer wrote: »Video Game addictions are also a thing. People have died from it. Should we ban it too?
Nice fallacy. Just because something is worse, does not mean the lesser evil should be ignored.
You'll also notice games have THINGS IN PLACE TO PREVENT GAMING ADDICTION!
You know; small messages reminded players to take a break and whatnot?
Lootboxes have 'Look at the box to see if it contains lootboxes!'
Which, as I stated above, companies are LYING ABOUT by adding lootboxes AFTER the game has been out for 6 months.
Stop defending lootboxes; they are a predatory practice meant to prey on people with legit disabilities. Stop defending an actual god damn immoral practice.
You're just being the type of person game companies laugh at for defending something they know is wrong, but it's making them wads of cash.
The by your example, put a warning next to Crown Crates or Lootboxes then.
Games have the right to add whatever they want after launch. It’s in their TOS (that everyone signs before they play a online game).
No, no they don't have a right. That's what the fight for lootbox laws ARE! The fight to stop companies from preying on people with legit problems!
Why is this so hard to understand for some people?
Abusing People With A Problem = WRONG! IMMORAL. BAD. EVIL. CRUEL. AND SHOUDL BE IL-GODS DAMNED-LEGAL!
I’m all for banning predatory lootboxes, but ZoS Crown Crates aren’t predatory.
I’m not bombarded by ads in-game saying “BUY BUY BUY”. I’m not forced to buy something from inside them to progress either.
People also have to take responsibility for their actions. You don’t see drug addicts blaming the people who hooked them on drugs. They blame themselves.Edited by Coppes on January 30, 2020 6:19PM2 -
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✭✭Everything is dangerous in the wrong hSpaceroamer wrote: »Spaceroamer wrote: »Video Game addictions are also a thing. People have died from it. Should we ban it too?
Nice fallacy. Just because something is worse, does not mean the lesser evil should be ignored.
You'll also notice games have THINGS IN PLACE TO PREVENT GAMING ADDICTION!
You know; small messages reminded players to take a break and whatnot?
Lootboxes have 'Look at the box to see if it contains lootboxes!'
Which, as I stated above, companies are LYING ABOUT by adding lootboxes AFTER the game has been out for 6 months.
Stop defending lootboxes; they are a predatory practice meant to prey on people with legit disabilities. Stop defending an actual god damn immoral practice.
You're just being the type of person game companies laugh at for defending something they know is wrong, but it's making them wads of cash.
The by your example, put a warning next to Crown Crates or Lootboxes then.
Games have the right to add whatever they want after launch. It’s in their TOS (that everyone signs before they play a online game).
No, no they don't have a right. That's what the fight for lootbox laws ARE! The fight to stop companies from preying on people with legit problems!
Why is this so hard to understand for some people?
Abusing People With A Problem = WRONG! IMMORAL. BAD. EVIL. CRUEL. AND SHOUDL BE IL-GODS DAMNED-LEGAL!
You're fighting to change the law.
Under the current state of things, at least in the UK, ZOS absolutely does have the right to do what they are doing.
It's actually the "people with problems" that legally, don't have rights here.In-game username: Un1korn | Happy member of the PCNA UESP guild (Resident Daggerfall Covenant enjoyer) | Main & basically only character: Crucian Vulpin, Imperial Dragonknight of the Daggerfall Covenant, and Undaunted Bulwark (I tank) | Mountain bike enjoyer and vulpine appreciator | If you know me from PCEU: No | To ZOS: THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME BRING MY HORSE INTO BATTLE!1 -
Akisohida✭✭✭✭Spaceroamer wrote: »Spaceroamer wrote: »Spaceroamer wrote: »Video Game addictions are also a thing. People have died from it. Should we ban it too?
Nice fallacy. Just because something is worse, does not mean the lesser evil should be ignored.
You'll also notice games have THINGS IN PLACE TO PREVENT GAMING ADDICTION!
You know; small messages reminded players to take a break and whatnot?
Lootboxes have 'Look at the box to see if it contains lootboxes!'
Which, as I stated above, companies are LYING ABOUT by adding lootboxes AFTER the game has been out for 6 months.
Stop defending lootboxes; they are a predatory practice meant to prey on people with legit disabilities. Stop defending an actual god damn immoral practice.
You're just being the type of person game companies laugh at for defending something they know is wrong, but it's making them wads of cash.
The by your example, put a warning next to Crown Crates or Lootboxes then.
Games have the right to add whatever they want after launch. It’s in their TOS (that everyone signs before they play a online game).
No, no they don't have a right. That's what the fight for lootbox laws ARE! The fight to stop companies from preying on people with legit problems!
Why is this so hard to understand for some people?
Abusing People With A Problem = WRONG! IMMORAL. BAD. EVIL. CRUEL. AND SHOUDL BE IL-GODS DAMNED-LEGAL!
I’m all for banning predatory lootboxes, but ZoS Crown Crates aren’t predatory.
People also have to take responsibility for their actions. You don’t see drug addicts blaming the people who hooked them on drugs. They blame themselves.
And you'll also see few drug addicts who get out of that spiral of self-loathing to get OFF drugs.
It's almost like it would be healthier to get rid of the SUPPLIER to help addicts (drugs or gambling) get off that self-destruction train.0 -
Bradyfjord✭✭✭✭✭No, no they don't have a right. That's what the fight for lootbox laws ARE! The fight to stop companies from preying on people with legit problems!
Why is this so hard to understand for some people?
Abusing People With A Problem = WRONG! IMMORAL. BAD. EVIL. CRUEL. AND SHOUDL BE IL-GODS DAMNED-LEGAL!
And what you don't understand is individual responsibility. Whether loot crates, or other things, exist does not make anyone a victim. Only when they make poor choices with their time and money do problems start to appear. It seems to me that if people cannot use their time and money appropriately they need to be taught how to be more responsible.
Why are you trying to make a claim that confuses the issue?0 -
Coppes✭✭✭✭Spaceroamer wrote: »Spaceroamer wrote: »Spaceroamer wrote: »Video Game addictions are also a thing. People have died from it. Should we ban it too?
Nice fallacy. Just because something is worse, does not mean the lesser evil should be ignored.
You'll also notice games have THINGS IN PLACE TO PREVENT GAMING ADDICTION!
You know; small messages reminded players to take a break and whatnot?
Lootboxes have 'Look at the box to see if it contains lootboxes!'
Which, as I stated above, companies are LYING ABOUT by adding lootboxes AFTER the game has been out for 6 months.
Stop defending lootboxes; they are a predatory practice meant to prey on people with legit disabilities. Stop defending an actual god damn immoral practice.
You're just being the type of person game companies laugh at for defending something they know is wrong, but it's making them wads of cash.
The by your example, put a warning next to Crown Crates or Lootboxes then.
Games have the right to add whatever they want after launch. It’s in their TOS (that everyone signs before they play a online game).
No, no they don't have a right. That's what the fight for lootbox laws ARE! The fight to stop companies from preying on people with legit problems!
Why is this so hard to understand for some people?
Abusing People With A Problem = WRONG! IMMORAL. BAD. EVIL. CRUEL. AND SHOUDL BE IL-GODS DAMNED-LEGAL!
I’m all for banning predatory lootboxes, but ZoS Crown Crates aren’t predatory.
People also have to take responsibility for their actions. You don’t see drug addicts blaming the people who hooked them on drugs. They blame themselves.
And you'll also see few drug addicts who get out of that spiral of self-loathing to get OFF drugs.
It's almost like it would be healthier to get rid of the SUPPLIER to help addicts (drugs or gambling) get off that self-destruction train.
Then get rid of those PREDATORY (highlighted it for you) lootboxes. However, ZoS’s Crown Crates are NOT (highlighted it for you again) predatory.Edited by Coppes on January 30, 2020 6:25PM0 -
Akisohida✭✭✭✭I'm done. I can't understand people who can watch companies take advantage of people with actual problems and say 'Durr! Well, it's not illegal YET! So it's fine!'
Just because something is legal does not mean it's not immoral, or evil, or should not be changed.
You people disgust me. Continue to keep your eyes closed and pretend legal = right so you never have to feel bad for anyone that's not you.
Freaking disgusting.7 -
Bradyfjord✭✭✭✭✭I'm done. I can't understand people who can watch companies take advantage of people with actual problems and say 'Durr! Well, it's not illegal YET! So it's fine!'
Just because something is legal does not mean it's not immoral, or evil, or should not be changed.
You people disgust me. Continue to keep your eyes closed and pretend legal = right so you never have to feel bad for anyone that's not you.
Freaking disgusting.
If you said you didn't like loot crates, or felt they were poor game design or something, I might get behind you. But calling it immoral is wrong. You are confusing your moral compass with the law.
The U.S. acted similarly with alcohol. In the U.S., laws (Prohibition) were made to 'protect' people from the evils of alcohol abuse. These laws didn't help at all.
Now every beer, wine, and spirits manufacturer in the U.S. prints warnings on their labels to educate people of their responsibility. Employers offer support for employees with drinking problems so that they can help themselves. Legally, no one is a victim because there is evidence to suggest that some people are predisposed to having this problem whatever the law may be. This is why Prohibition was repealed. Moral laws are not superior to ethical laws.
Educating people of their responsibilities early in life is the way to go. Some things are addictive, and education is what keeps people from feeling like a victim.0 -
Coppes✭✭✭✭I'm done. I can't understand people who can watch companies take advantage of people with actual problems and say 'Durr! Well, it's not illegal YET! So it's fine!'
Just because something is legal does not mean it's not immoral, or evil, or should not be changed.
You people disgust me. Continue to keep your eyes closed and pretend legal = right so you never have to feel bad for anyone that's not you.
Freaking disgusting.
You don’t have proof that ZoS is taking ‘advantage’ of people with gambling problems.
Predatory lootboxes are immoral, Cornw Crates have no bearing on the game are completely optional and are not forced upon you as a player. Therefore are not immoral.
Edited by Coppes on January 30, 2020 6:47PM0 -
Akisohida✭✭✭✭Bradyfjord wrote: »I'm done. I can't understand people who can watch companies take advantage of people with actual problems and say 'Durr! Well, it's not illegal YET! So it's fine!'
Just because something is legal does not mean it's not immoral, or evil, or should not be changed.
You people disgust me. Continue to keep your eyes closed and pretend legal = right so you never have to feel bad for anyone that's not you.
Freaking disgusting.
If you said you didn't like loot crates, or felt they were poor game design or something, I might get behind you. But calling it immoral is wrong. You are confusing your moral compass with the law.
The U.S. acted similarly with alcohol. In the U.S., laws (Prohibition) were made to 'protect' people from the evils of alcohol abuse. These laws didn't help at all.
Now every beer, wine, and spirits manufacturer in the U.S. prints warnings on their labels to educate people of their responsibility. Employers offer support for employees with drinking problems so that they can help themselves. Legally, no one is a victim because there is evidence to suggest that some people are predisposed to having this problem whatever the law may be. This is why Prohibition was repealed. Moral laws are not superior to ethical laws.
Educating people of their responsibilities early in life is the way to go. Some things are addictive, and education is what keeps people from feeling like a victim.
Hey! Guess what?
Murder? Immoral and illegal.
Theft? Immoral and illegal!
False Advertising (IE: Lying, for the purpose of making money)? IMMORAL AND ILLEGAL!
But sure; cherry pick the one thing that went bad, for your case.
Sorry but you're wrong on a MORAL level. Being a decent human being means not taking advantage of, and not ALLOWING OTHERS to take advantage of people with problems.
Shrugging and saying 'it's legal' is the coward's way of living.
We need to educate the COMPANIES to stop doing this garbage and crate NEW LAWS as civilization progresses. It's kind of what decent human beings do.3 -
Akisohida✭✭✭✭Spaceroamer wrote: »I'm done. I can't understand people who can watch companies take advantage of people with actual problems and say 'Durr! Well, it's not illegal YET! So it's fine!'
Just because something is legal does not mean it's not immoral, or evil, or should not be changed.
You people disgust me. Continue to keep your eyes closed and pretend legal = right so you never have to feel bad for anyone that's not you.
Freaking disgusting.
You don’t have proof that ZoS is taking ‘advantage’ of people with gambling problems.
Predatory lootboxes are immoral, Cornw Crates have no bearing on the game are completely optional and are not forced upon you as a player. Therefore are not immoral.
..You do realize that that's the point of these new laws. People with an education..Psychaiacrists? They are staying that lootboxes are taking advantage of people with gambling problems.
You want proof?
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0213194
'Previous research strongly suggested both the size and the direction of link between loot box use and problem gambling. This paper provides further support for this link. These results suggest either that loot boxes act as a gateway to problem gambling, or that individuals with gambling problems are drawn to spend more on loot boxes. In either case, we believe that these results suggest there is good reason to regulate loot boxes.'4 -
Coppes✭✭✭✭Bradyfjord wrote: »I'm done. I can't understand people who can watch companies take advantage of people with actual problems and say 'Durr! Well, it's not illegal YET! So it's fine!'
Just because something is legal does not mean it's not immoral, or evil, or should not be changed.
You people disgust me. Continue to keep your eyes closed and pretend legal = right so you never have to feel bad for anyone that's not you.
Freaking disgusting.
If you said you didn't like loot crates, or felt they were poor game design or something, I might get behind you. But calling it immoral is wrong. You are confusing your moral compass with the law.
The U.S. acted similarly with alcohol. In the U.S., laws (Prohibition) were made to 'protect' people from the evils of alcohol abuse. These laws didn't help at all.
Now every beer, wine, and spirits manufacturer in the U.S. prints warnings on their labels to educate people of their responsibility. Employers offer support for employees with drinking problems so that they can help themselves. Legally, no one is a victim because there is evidence to suggest that some people are predisposed to having this problem whatever the law may be. This is why Prohibition was repealed. Moral laws are not superior to ethical laws.
Educating people of their responsibilities early in life is the way to go. Some things are addictive, and education is what keeps people from feeling like a victim.
Hey! Guess what?
Murder? Immoral and illegal.
Theft? Immoral and illegal!
False Advertising (IE: Lying, for the purpose of making money)? IMMORAL AND ILLEGAL!
But sure; cherry pick the one thing that went bad, for your case.
Sorry but you're wrong on a MORAL level. Being a decent human being means not taking advantage of, and not ALLOWING OTHERS to take advantage of people with problems.
Shrugging and saying 'it's legal' is the coward's way of living.
We need to educate the COMPANIES to stop doing this garbage and crate NEW LAWS as civilization progresses. It's kind of what decent human beings do.
I’m getting lost in this conversation are you talking about predatory lootboxes or Crown Crates because they’re both very very different.
Everyone here is defending Crown Crates, not predatory lootboxes.
It also seems like you’re taking this a bit too emotionally.Edited by Coppes on January 30, 2020 6:58PM0 -
Bradyfjord✭✭✭✭✭Hey! Guess what?
Murder? Immoral and illegal.
Theft? Immoral and illegal!
False Advertising (IE: Lying, for the purpose of making money)? IMMORAL AND ILLEGAL!
But sure; cherry pick the one thing that went bad, for your case.
Sorry but you're wrong on a MORAL level. Being a decent human being means not taking advantage of, and not ALLOWING OTHERS to take advantage of people with problems.
We need to educate the COMPANIES to stop doing this garbage and crate NEW LAWS as civilization progresses. It's kind of what decent human beings do.
Morals are personal. Ethics are rules (based on the moral norm) that are written down, and are thus objective. Laws are ethics that have been written such that society enforces it on every member of society.
What you are saying is that people with problems should have their problems solved by others. You are trying to skip from the moral of helping others (which I respect) to the law, without going through the step of proving it is normal for everyone to bear responsibility for others' problems.
I don't think it should be normal for someone to bear the responsibility of helping someone with their addictions. With adequate education, people will have the coping skills to get help themselves. And if they need help, they can turn to family and friends who will (hopefully) be predisposed to help them. I am not so predisposed to help strangers with something completely in their power to solve, such as loot crate purchases.
Loot crates do not equal murder. You have no ethical, or moral, justification for your thinking. You are well intentioned, but wrong. Let people take responsibility, so they can grow and be stronger.0 -
Kahnak✭✭✭✭✭Bradyfjord wrote: »I'm done. I can't understand people who can watch companies take advantage of people with actual problems and say 'Durr! Well, it's not illegal YET! So it's fine!'
Just because something is legal does not mean it's not immoral, or evil, or should not be changed.
You people disgust me. Continue to keep your eyes closed and pretend legal = right so you never have to feel bad for anyone that's not you.
Freaking disgusting.
If you said you didn't like loot crates, or felt they were poor game design or something, I might get behind you. But calling it immoral is wrong. You are confusing your moral compass with the law.
The U.S. acted similarly with alcohol. In the U.S., laws (Prohibition) were made to 'protect' people from the evils of alcohol abuse. These laws didn't help at all.
Now every beer, wine, and spirits manufacturer in the U.S. prints warnings on their labels to educate people of their responsibility. Employers offer support for employees with drinking problems so that they can help themselves. Legally, no one is a victim because there is evidence to suggest that some people are predisposed to having this problem whatever the law may be. This is why Prohibition was repealed. Moral laws are not superior to ethical laws.
Educating people of their responsibilities early in life is the way to go. Some things are addictive, and education is what keeps people from feeling like a victim.
Hey! Guess what?
Murder? Immoral and illegal.
Theft? Immoral and illegal!
False Advertising (IE: Lying, for the purpose of making money)? IMMORAL AND ILLEGAL!
But sure; cherry pick the one thing that went bad, for your case.
Sorry but you're wrong on a MORAL level. Being a decent human being means not taking advantage of, and not ALLOWING OTHERS to take advantage of people with problems.
Shrugging and saying 'it's legal' is the coward's way of living.
We need to educate the COMPANIES to stop doing this garbage and crate NEW LAWS as civilization progresses. It's kind of what decent human beings do.
Moralizing and name calling is the exact way to get your point across.Tombstone Reads: "Forgot to get good"0 -
Akisohida✭✭✭✭Spaceroamer wrote: »Bradyfjord wrote: »I'm done. I can't understand people who can watch companies take advantage of people with actual problems and say 'Durr! Well, it's not illegal YET! So it's fine!'
Just because something is legal does not mean it's not immoral, or evil, or should not be changed.
You people disgust me. Continue to keep your eyes closed and pretend legal = right so you never have to feel bad for anyone that's not you.
Freaking disgusting.
If you said you didn't like loot crates, or felt they were poor game design or something, I might get behind you. But calling it immoral is wrong. You are confusing your moral compass with the law.
The U.S. acted similarly with alcohol. In the U.S., laws (Prohibition) were made to 'protect' people from the evils of alcohol abuse. These laws didn't help at all.
Now every beer, wine, and spirits manufacturer in the U.S. prints warnings on their labels to educate people of their responsibility. Employers offer support for employees with drinking problems so that they can help themselves. Legally, no one is a victim because there is evidence to suggest that some people are predisposed to having this problem whatever the law may be. This is why Prohibition was repealed. Moral laws are not superior to ethical laws.
Educating people of their responsibilities early in life is the way to go. Some things are addictive, and education is what keeps people from feeling like a victim.
Hey! Guess what?
Murder? Immoral and illegal.
Theft? Immoral and illegal!
False Advertising (IE: Lying, for the purpose of making money)? IMMORAL AND ILLEGAL!
But sure; cherry pick the one thing that went bad, for your case.
Sorry but you're wrong on a MORAL level. Being a decent human being means not taking advantage of, and not ALLOWING OTHERS to take advantage of people with problems.
Shrugging and saying 'it's legal' is the coward's way of living.
We need to educate the COMPANIES to stop doing this garbage and crate NEW LAWS as civilization progresses. It's kind of what decent human beings do.
I’m getting lost in this conversation are you talking about predatory lootboxes or Crown Crates because they’re both very very different.
Everyone here is defending Crown Crates, not predatory lootboxes.
It also seems like you’re taking this a bit too emotionally.
Crown crates ARE lootboxes. They work exactly like lootboxes. The only difference is that you buy fake money with real money.
And that's just a trick to sidestep current laws. In every way, crown crates ARE lootboxes.
You buy them
You open them.
You get random crap on a scale from common to ultra uber rare.
The best items have a low drop rate to 'encourage' people to keep trying to get that skin or item they really really want!
So in what way are crown crates NOT lootboxes?5 -
Contaminate✭✭✭✭✭
✭Spaceroamer wrote: »Bradyfjord wrote: »I'm done. I can't understand people who can watch companies take advantage of people with actual problems and say 'Durr! Well, it's not illegal YET! So it's fine!'
Just because something is legal does not mean it's not immoral, or evil, or should not be changed.
You people disgust me. Continue to keep your eyes closed and pretend legal = right so you never have to feel bad for anyone that's not you.
Freaking disgusting.
If you said you didn't like loot crates, or felt they were poor game design or something, I might get behind you. But calling it immoral is wrong. You are confusing your moral compass with the law.
The U.S. acted similarly with alcohol. In the U.S., laws (Prohibition) were made to 'protect' people from the evils of alcohol abuse. These laws didn't help at all.
Now every beer, wine, and spirits manufacturer in the U.S. prints warnings on their labels to educate people of their responsibility. Employers offer support for employees with drinking problems so that they can help themselves. Legally, no one is a victim because there is evidence to suggest that some people are predisposed to having this problem whatever the law may be. This is why Prohibition was repealed. Moral laws are not superior to ethical laws.
Educating people of their responsibilities early in life is the way to go. Some things are addictive, and education is what keeps people from feeling like a victim.
Hey! Guess what?
Murder? Immoral and illegal.
Theft? Immoral and illegal!
False Advertising (IE: Lying, for the purpose of making money)? IMMORAL AND ILLEGAL!
But sure; cherry pick the one thing that went bad, for your case.
Sorry but you're wrong on a MORAL level. Being a decent human being means not taking advantage of, and not ALLOWING OTHERS to take advantage of people with problems.
Shrugging and saying 'it's legal' is the coward's way of living.
We need to educate the COMPANIES to stop doing this garbage and crate NEW LAWS as civilization progresses. It's kind of what decent human beings do.
I’m getting lost in this conversation are you talking about predatory lootboxes or Crown Crates because they’re both very very different.
Everyone here is defending Crown Crates, not predatory lootboxes.
It also seems like you’re taking this a bit too emotionally.
Crown Crates are lootboxes. Don’t be intentionally dense7 -
Coppes✭✭✭✭Spaceroamer wrote: »Bradyfjord wrote: »I'm done. I can't understand people who can watch companies take advantage of people with actual problems and say 'Durr! Well, it's not illegal YET! So it's fine!'
Just because something is legal does not mean it's not immoral, or evil, or should not be changed.
You people disgust me. Continue to keep your eyes closed and pretend legal = right so you never have to feel bad for anyone that's not you.
Freaking disgusting.
If you said you didn't like loot crates, or felt they were poor game design or something, I might get behind you. But calling it immoral is wrong. You are confusing your moral compass with the law.
The U.S. acted similarly with alcohol. In the U.S., laws (Prohibition) were made to 'protect' people from the evils of alcohol abuse. These laws didn't help at all.
Now every beer, wine, and spirits manufacturer in the U.S. prints warnings on their labels to educate people of their responsibility. Employers offer support for employees with drinking problems so that they can help themselves. Legally, no one is a victim because there is evidence to suggest that some people are predisposed to having this problem whatever the law may be. This is why Prohibition was repealed. Moral laws are not superior to ethical laws.
Educating people of their responsibilities early in life is the way to go. Some things are addictive, and education is what keeps people from feeling like a victim.
Hey! Guess what?
Murder? Immoral and illegal.
Theft? Immoral and illegal!
False Advertising (IE: Lying, for the purpose of making money)? IMMORAL AND ILLEGAL!
But sure; cherry pick the one thing that went bad, for your case.
Sorry but you're wrong on a MORAL level. Being a decent human being means not taking advantage of, and not ALLOWING OTHERS to take advantage of people with problems.
Shrugging and saying 'it's legal' is the coward's way of living.
We need to educate the COMPANIES to stop doing this garbage and crate NEW LAWS as civilization progresses. It's kind of what decent human beings do.
I’m getting lost in this conversation are you talking about predatory lootboxes or Crown Crates because they’re both very very different.
Everyone here is defending Crown Crates, not predatory lootboxes.
It also seems like you’re taking this a bit too emotionally.
Crown crates ARE lootboxes. They work exactly like lootboxes. The only difference is that you buy fake money with real money.
And that's just a trick to sidestep current laws. In every way, crown crates ARE lootboxes.
You buy them
You open them.
You get random crap on a scale from common to ultra uber rare.
The best items have a low drop rate to 'encourage' people to keep trying to get that skin or item they really really want!
So in what way are crown crates NOT lootboxes?
The point I was trying to make is that Crown Crates aren’t predatory.2 -
Contaminate✭✭✭✭✭
✭Spaceroamer wrote: »Spaceroamer wrote: »Bradyfjord wrote: »I'm done. I can't understand people who can watch companies take advantage of people with actual problems and say 'Durr! Well, it's not illegal YET! So it's fine!'
Just because something is legal does not mean it's not immoral, or evil, or should not be changed.
You people disgust me. Continue to keep your eyes closed and pretend legal = right so you never have to feel bad for anyone that's not you.
Freaking disgusting.
If you said you didn't like loot crates, or felt they were poor game design or something, I might get behind you. But calling it immoral is wrong. You are confusing your moral compass with the law.
The U.S. acted similarly with alcohol. In the U.S., laws (Prohibition) were made to 'protect' people from the evils of alcohol abuse. These laws didn't help at all.
Now every beer, wine, and spirits manufacturer in the U.S. prints warnings on their labels to educate people of their responsibility. Employers offer support for employees with drinking problems so that they can help themselves. Legally, no one is a victim because there is evidence to suggest that some people are predisposed to having this problem whatever the law may be. This is why Prohibition was repealed. Moral laws are not superior to ethical laws.
Educating people of their responsibilities early in life is the way to go. Some things are addictive, and education is what keeps people from feeling like a victim.
Hey! Guess what?
Murder? Immoral and illegal.
Theft? Immoral and illegal!
False Advertising (IE: Lying, for the purpose of making money)? IMMORAL AND ILLEGAL!
But sure; cherry pick the one thing that went bad, for your case.
Sorry but you're wrong on a MORAL level. Being a decent human being means not taking advantage of, and not ALLOWING OTHERS to take advantage of people with problems.
Shrugging and saying 'it's legal' is the coward's way of living.
We need to educate the COMPANIES to stop doing this garbage and crate NEW LAWS as civilization progresses. It's kind of what decent human beings do.
I’m getting lost in this conversation are you talking about predatory lootboxes or Crown Crates because they’re both very very different.
Everyone here is defending Crown Crates, not predatory lootboxes.
It also seems like you’re taking this a bit too emotionally.
Crown crates ARE lootboxes. They work exactly like lootboxes. The only difference is that you buy fake money with real money.
And that's just a trick to sidestep current laws. In every way, crown crates ARE lootboxes.
You buy them
You open them.
You get random crap on a scale from common to ultra uber rare.
The best items have a low drop rate to 'encourage' people to keep trying to get that skin or item they really really want!
So in what way are crown crates NOT lootboxes?
The point I was trying to make is that Crown Crates aren’t predatory.
If you stick your head in sand and ignore all of the research on the subject, then sure you can maintain that delusion3 -
Kahnak✭✭✭✭✭Contaminate wrote: »Spaceroamer wrote: »Bradyfjord wrote: »I'm done. I can't understand people who can watch companies take advantage of people with actual problems and say 'Durr! Well, it's not illegal YET! So it's fine!'
Just because something is legal does not mean it's not immoral, or evil, or should not be changed.
You people disgust me. Continue to keep your eyes closed and pretend legal = right so you never have to feel bad for anyone that's not you.
Freaking disgusting.
If you said you didn't like loot crates, or felt they were poor game design or something, I might get behind you. But calling it immoral is wrong. You are confusing your moral compass with the law.
The U.S. acted similarly with alcohol. In the U.S., laws (Prohibition) were made to 'protect' people from the evils of alcohol abuse. These laws didn't help at all.
Now every beer, wine, and spirits manufacturer in the U.S. prints warnings on their labels to educate people of their responsibility. Employers offer support for employees with drinking problems so that they can help themselves. Legally, no one is a victim because there is evidence to suggest that some people are predisposed to having this problem whatever the law may be. This is why Prohibition was repealed. Moral laws are not superior to ethical laws.
Educating people of their responsibilities early in life is the way to go. Some things are addictive, and education is what keeps people from feeling like a victim.
Hey! Guess what?
Murder? Immoral and illegal.
Theft? Immoral and illegal!
False Advertising (IE: Lying, for the purpose of making money)? IMMORAL AND ILLEGAL!
But sure; cherry pick the one thing that went bad, for your case.
Sorry but you're wrong on a MORAL level. Being a decent human being means not taking advantage of, and not ALLOWING OTHERS to take advantage of people with problems.
Shrugging and saying 'it's legal' is the coward's way of living.
We need to educate the COMPANIES to stop doing this garbage and crate NEW LAWS as civilization progresses. It's kind of what decent human beings do.
I’m getting lost in this conversation are you talking about predatory lootboxes or Crown Crates because they’re both very very different.
Everyone here is defending Crown Crates, not predatory lootboxes.
It also seems like you’re taking this a bit too emotionally.
Crown Crates are lootboxes. Don’t be intentionally dense
Crown Crates are lootboxes. The debate is whether or not Crown Crates are predatory.Tombstone Reads: "Forgot to get good"1 -
Akisohida✭✭✭✭Spaceroamer wrote: »Spaceroamer wrote: »Bradyfjord wrote: »I'm done. I can't understand people who can watch companies take advantage of people with actual problems and say 'Durr! Well, it's not illegal YET! So it's fine!'
Just because something is legal does not mean it's not immoral, or evil, or should not be changed.
You people disgust me. Continue to keep your eyes closed and pretend legal = right so you never have to feel bad for anyone that's not you.
Freaking disgusting.
If you said you didn't like loot crates, or felt they were poor game design or something, I might get behind you. But calling it immoral is wrong. You are confusing your moral compass with the law.
The U.S. acted similarly with alcohol. In the U.S., laws (Prohibition) were made to 'protect' people from the evils of alcohol abuse. These laws didn't help at all.
Now every beer, wine, and spirits manufacturer in the U.S. prints warnings on their labels to educate people of their responsibility. Employers offer support for employees with drinking problems so that they can help themselves. Legally, no one is a victim because there is evidence to suggest that some people are predisposed to having this problem whatever the law may be. This is why Prohibition was repealed. Moral laws are not superior to ethical laws.
Educating people of their responsibilities early in life is the way to go. Some things are addictive, and education is what keeps people from feeling like a victim.
Hey! Guess what?
Murder? Immoral and illegal.
Theft? Immoral and illegal!
False Advertising (IE: Lying, for the purpose of making money)? IMMORAL AND ILLEGAL!
But sure; cherry pick the one thing that went bad, for your case.
Sorry but you're wrong on a MORAL level. Being a decent human being means not taking advantage of, and not ALLOWING OTHERS to take advantage of people with problems.
Shrugging and saying 'it's legal' is the coward's way of living.
We need to educate the COMPANIES to stop doing this garbage and crate NEW LAWS as civilization progresses. It's kind of what decent human beings do.
I’m getting lost in this conversation are you talking about predatory lootboxes or Crown Crates because they’re both very very different.
Everyone here is defending Crown Crates, not predatory lootboxes.
It also seems like you’re taking this a bit too emotionally.
Crown crates ARE lootboxes. They work exactly like lootboxes. The only difference is that you buy fake money with real money.
And that's just a trick to sidestep current laws. In every way, crown crates ARE lootboxes.
You buy them
You open them.
You get random crap on a scale from common to ultra uber rare.
The best items have a low drop rate to 'encourage' people to keep trying to get that skin or item they really really want!
So in what way are crown crates NOT lootboxes?
The point I was trying to make is that Crown Crates aren’t predatory.
If lootboxes are predatory.
And crown crates are lootboxes.
Crown crates != predatory
What? That makes no sense. Parsing error in line 3.
Crown crates are lootboxes.
Lootboxes are predatory.
Therefor, crown crates = predatory.4 -
Contaminate✭✭✭✭✭
✭Contaminate wrote: »Spaceroamer wrote: »Bradyfjord wrote: »I'm done. I can't understand people who can watch companies take advantage of people with actual problems and say 'Durr! Well, it's not illegal YET! So it's fine!'
Just because something is legal does not mean it's not immoral, or evil, or should not be changed.
You people disgust me. Continue to keep your eyes closed and pretend legal = right so you never have to feel bad for anyone that's not you.
Freaking disgusting.
If you said you didn't like loot crates, or felt they were poor game design or something, I might get behind you. But calling it immoral is wrong. You are confusing your moral compass with the law.
The U.S. acted similarly with alcohol. In the U.S., laws (Prohibition) were made to 'protect' people from the evils of alcohol abuse. These laws didn't help at all.
Now every beer, wine, and spirits manufacturer in the U.S. prints warnings on their labels to educate people of their responsibility. Employers offer support for employees with drinking problems so that they can help themselves. Legally, no one is a victim because there is evidence to suggest that some people are predisposed to having this problem whatever the law may be. This is why Prohibition was repealed. Moral laws are not superior to ethical laws.
Educating people of their responsibilities early in life is the way to go. Some things are addictive, and education is what keeps people from feeling like a victim.
Hey! Guess what?
Murder? Immoral and illegal.
Theft? Immoral and illegal!
False Advertising (IE: Lying, for the purpose of making money)? IMMORAL AND ILLEGAL!
But sure; cherry pick the one thing that went bad, for your case.
Sorry but you're wrong on a MORAL level. Being a decent human being means not taking advantage of, and not ALLOWING OTHERS to take advantage of people with problems.
Shrugging and saying 'it's legal' is the coward's way of living.
We need to educate the COMPANIES to stop doing this garbage and crate NEW LAWS as civilization progresses. It's kind of what decent human beings do.
I’m getting lost in this conversation are you talking about predatory lootboxes or Crown Crates because they’re both very very different.
Everyone here is defending Crown Crates, not predatory lootboxes.
It also seems like you’re taking this a bit too emotionally.
Crown Crates are lootboxes. Don’t be intentionally dense
Crown Crates are lootboxes. The debate is whether or not Crown Crates are predatory.
The science says “yeah obviously” with, again, multiple studies saying loot boxes, which Crown Crates are, are predatory3 -
Coppes✭✭✭✭If it’s such a problem give it the alcohol treatment.
Put warning labels on every Crown Crate, after you buy one then another confirmation message comes up telling you are you sure, etc etc.
Add a confirmation saying that ZoS takes no responsibility for your actions.
I honestly surprised my 10 year old sister is more responsible than most adults in this world.
Edited by Coppes on January 30, 2020 7:21PM1 -
Contaminate✭✭✭✭✭
✭Spaceroamer wrote: »If it’s such a problem give it the alcohol treatment.
Put warning labels on every Crown Crate, after you buy one then another confirmation message comes up telling you are you sure, etc etc.
Add a confirmation saying that ZoS takes no responsibility for your actions.
No, the alcohol treatment implies legal obligation to stop providing the harmful service when someone is going overboard2 -
Kahnak✭✭✭✭✭Spaceroamer wrote: »Spaceroamer wrote: »Bradyfjord wrote: »I'm done. I can't understand people who can watch companies take advantage of people with actual problems and say 'Durr! Well, it's not illegal YET! So it's fine!'
Just because something is legal does not mean it's not immoral, or evil, or should not be changed.
You people disgust me. Continue to keep your eyes closed and pretend legal = right so you never have to feel bad for anyone that's not you.
Freaking disgusting.
If you said you didn't like loot crates, or felt they were poor game design or something, I might get behind you. But calling it immoral is wrong. You are confusing your moral compass with the law.
The U.S. acted similarly with alcohol. In the U.S., laws (Prohibition) were made to 'protect' people from the evils of alcohol abuse. These laws didn't help at all.
Now every beer, wine, and spirits manufacturer in the U.S. prints warnings on their labels to educate people of their responsibility. Employers offer support for employees with drinking problems so that they can help themselves. Legally, no one is a victim because there is evidence to suggest that some people are predisposed to having this problem whatever the law may be. This is why Prohibition was repealed. Moral laws are not superior to ethical laws.
Educating people of their responsibilities early in life is the way to go. Some things are addictive, and education is what keeps people from feeling like a victim.
Hey! Guess what?
Murder? Immoral and illegal.
Theft? Immoral and illegal!
False Advertising (IE: Lying, for the purpose of making money)? IMMORAL AND ILLEGAL!
But sure; cherry pick the one thing that went bad, for your case.
Sorry but you're wrong on a MORAL level. Being a decent human being means not taking advantage of, and not ALLOWING OTHERS to take advantage of people with problems.
Shrugging and saying 'it's legal' is the coward's way of living.
We need to educate the COMPANIES to stop doing this garbage and crate NEW LAWS as civilization progresses. It's kind of what decent human beings do.
I’m getting lost in this conversation are you talking about predatory lootboxes or Crown Crates because they’re both very very different.
Everyone here is defending Crown Crates, not predatory lootboxes.
It also seems like you’re taking this a bit too emotionally.
Crown crates ARE lootboxes. They work exactly like lootboxes. The only difference is that you buy fake money with real money.
And that's just a trick to sidestep current laws. In every way, crown crates ARE lootboxes.
You buy them
You open them.
You get random crap on a scale from common to ultra uber rare.
The best items have a low drop rate to 'encourage' people to keep trying to get that skin or item they really really want!
So in what way are crown crates NOT lootboxes?
The point I was trying to make is that Crown Crates aren’t predatory.
If lootboxes are predatory.
And crown crates are lootboxes.
Crown crates != predatory
What? That makes no sense. Parsing error in line 3.
Crown crates are lootboxes.
Lootboxes are predatory.
Therefor, crown crates = predatory.Contaminate wrote: »Spaceroamer wrote: »Spaceroamer wrote: »Bradyfjord wrote: »I'm done. I can't understand people who can watch companies take advantage of people with actual problems and say 'Durr! Well, it's not illegal YET! So it's fine!'
Just because something is legal does not mean it's not immoral, or evil, or should not be changed.
You people disgust me. Continue to keep your eyes closed and pretend legal = right so you never have to feel bad for anyone that's not you.
Freaking disgusting.
If you said you didn't like loot crates, or felt they were poor game design or something, I might get behind you. But calling it immoral is wrong. You are confusing your moral compass with the law.
The U.S. acted similarly with alcohol. In the U.S., laws (Prohibition) were made to 'protect' people from the evils of alcohol abuse. These laws didn't help at all.
Now every beer, wine, and spirits manufacturer in the U.S. prints warnings on their labels to educate people of their responsibility. Employers offer support for employees with drinking problems so that they can help themselves. Legally, no one is a victim because there is evidence to suggest that some people are predisposed to having this problem whatever the law may be. This is why Prohibition was repealed. Moral laws are not superior to ethical laws.
Educating people of their responsibilities early in life is the way to go. Some things are addictive, and education is what keeps people from feeling like a victim.
Hey! Guess what?
Murder? Immoral and illegal.
Theft? Immoral and illegal!
False Advertising (IE: Lying, for the purpose of making money)? IMMORAL AND ILLEGAL!
But sure; cherry pick the one thing that went bad, for your case.
Sorry but you're wrong on a MORAL level. Being a decent human being means not taking advantage of, and not ALLOWING OTHERS to take advantage of people with problems.
Shrugging and saying 'it's legal' is the coward's way of living.
We need to educate the COMPANIES to stop doing this garbage and crate NEW LAWS as civilization progresses. It's kind of what decent human beings do.
I’m getting lost in this conversation are you talking about predatory lootboxes or Crown Crates because they’re both very very different.
Everyone here is defending Crown Crates, not predatory lootboxes.
It also seems like you’re taking this a bit too emotionally.
Crown crates ARE lootboxes. They work exactly like lootboxes. The only difference is that you buy fake money with real money.
And that's just a trick to sidestep current laws. In every way, crown crates ARE lootboxes.
You buy them
You open them.
You get random crap on a scale from common to ultra uber rare.
The best items have a low drop rate to 'encourage' people to keep trying to get that skin or item they really really want!
So in what way are crown crates NOT lootboxes?
The point I was trying to make is that Crown Crates aren’t predatory.
If you stick your head in sand and ignore all of the research on the subject, then sure you can maintain that delusionSpaceroamer wrote: »Spaceroamer wrote: »Bradyfjord wrote: »I'm done. I can't understand people who can watch companies take advantage of people with actual problems and say 'Durr! Well, it's not illegal YET! So it's fine!'
Just because something is legal does not mean it's not immoral, or evil, or should not be changed.
You people disgust me. Continue to keep your eyes closed and pretend legal = right so you never have to feel bad for anyone that's not you.
Freaking disgusting.
If you said you didn't like loot crates, or felt they were poor game design or something, I might get behind you. But calling it immoral is wrong. You are confusing your moral compass with the law.
The U.S. acted similarly with alcohol. In the U.S., laws (Prohibition) were made to 'protect' people from the evils of alcohol abuse. These laws didn't help at all.
Now every beer, wine, and spirits manufacturer in the U.S. prints warnings on their labels to educate people of their responsibility. Employers offer support for employees with drinking problems so that they can help themselves. Legally, no one is a victim because there is evidence to suggest that some people are predisposed to having this problem whatever the law may be. This is why Prohibition was repealed. Moral laws are not superior to ethical laws.
Educating people of their responsibilities early in life is the way to go. Some things are addictive, and education is what keeps people from feeling like a victim.
Hey! Guess what?
Murder? Immoral and illegal.
Theft? Immoral and illegal!
False Advertising (IE: Lying, for the purpose of making money)? IMMORAL AND ILLEGAL!
But sure; cherry pick the one thing that went bad, for your case.
Sorry but you're wrong on a MORAL level. Being a decent human being means not taking advantage of, and not ALLOWING OTHERS to take advantage of people with problems.
Shrugging and saying 'it's legal' is the coward's way of living.
We need to educate the COMPANIES to stop doing this garbage and crate NEW LAWS as civilization progresses. It's kind of what decent human beings do.
I’m getting lost in this conversation are you talking about predatory lootboxes or Crown Crates because they’re both very very different.
Everyone here is defending Crown Crates, not predatory lootboxes.
It also seems like you’re taking this a bit too emotionally.
Crown crates ARE lootboxes. They work exactly like lootboxes. The only difference is that you buy fake money with real money.
And that's just a trick to sidestep current laws. In every way, crown crates ARE lootboxes.
You buy them
You open them.
You get random crap on a scale from common to ultra uber rare.
The best items have a low drop rate to 'encourage' people to keep trying to get that skin or item they really really want!
So in what way are crown crates NOT lootboxes?
The point I was trying to make is that Crown Crates aren’t predatory.
If lootboxes are predatory.
And crown crates are lootboxes.
Crown crates != predatory
What? That makes no sense. Parsing error in line 3.
Crown crates are lootboxes.
Lootboxes are predatory.
Therefor, crown crates = predatory.
Calling something predatory because less than 3% of the population have an issue with gambling addiction does not qualify it as predatory. Call it gambling, give it an ESRB warning and make the game 18+. It's not predatory simply because people with addictive personalities exist.Tombstone Reads: "Forgot to get good"0 -
Kahnak✭✭✭✭✭Contaminate wrote: »Spaceroamer wrote: »If it’s such a problem give it the alcohol treatment.
Put warning labels on every Crown Crate, after you buy one then another confirmation message comes up telling you are you sure, etc etc.
Add a confirmation saying that ZoS takes no responsibility for your actions.
No, the alcohol treatment implies legal obligation to stop providing the harmful service when someone is going overboard
A legal obligation exists because over consumption can kill someone - not because the potential for addiction exists. It's a liability issue, not an ethics issue.Edited by Kahnak on January 30, 2020 7:26PMTombstone Reads: "Forgot to get good"0 -
Coppes✭✭✭✭Spaceroamer wrote: »Spaceroamer wrote: »Bradyfjord wrote: »I'm done. I can't understand people who can watch companies take advantage of people with actual problems and say 'Durr! Well, it's not illegal YET! So it's fine!'
Just because something is legal does not mean it's not immoral, or evil, or should not be changed.
You people disgust me. Continue to keep your eyes closed and pretend legal = right so you never have to feel bad for anyone that's not you.
Freaking disgusting.
If you said you didn't like loot crates, or felt they were poor game design or something, I might get behind you. But calling it immoral is wrong. You are confusing your moral compass with the law.
The U.S. acted similarly with alcohol. In the U.S., laws (Prohibition) were made to 'protect' people from the evils of alcohol abuse. These laws didn't help at all.
Now every beer, wine, and spirits manufacturer in the U.S. prints warnings on their labels to educate people of their responsibility. Employers offer support for employees with drinking problems so that they can help themselves. Legally, no one is a victim because there is evidence to suggest that some people are predisposed to having this problem whatever the law may be. This is why Prohibition was repealed. Moral laws are not superior to ethical laws.
Educating people of their responsibilities early in life is the way to go. Some things are addictive, and education is what keeps people from feeling like a victim.
Hey! Guess what?
Murder? Immoral and illegal.
Theft? Immoral and illegal!
False Advertising (IE: Lying, for the purpose of making money)? IMMORAL AND ILLEGAL!
But sure; cherry pick the one thing that went bad, for your case.
Sorry but you're wrong on a MORAL level. Being a decent human being means not taking advantage of, and not ALLOWING OTHERS to take advantage of people with problems.
Shrugging and saying 'it's legal' is the coward's way of living.
We need to educate the COMPANIES to stop doing this garbage and crate NEW LAWS as civilization progresses. It's kind of what decent human beings do.
I’m getting lost in this conversation are you talking about predatory lootboxes or Crown Crates because they’re both very very different.
Everyone here is defending Crown Crates, not predatory lootboxes.
It also seems like you’re taking this a bit too emotionally.
Crown crates ARE lootboxes. They work exactly like lootboxes. The only difference is that you buy fake money with real money.
And that's just a trick to sidestep current laws. In every way, crown crates ARE lootboxes.
You buy them
You open them.
You get random crap on a scale from common to ultra uber rare.
The best items have a low drop rate to 'encourage' people to keep trying to get that skin or item they really really want!
So in what way are crown crates NOT lootboxes?
The point I was trying to make is that Crown Crates aren’t predatory.
If lootboxes are predatory.
And crown crates are lootboxes.
Crown crates != predatory
What? That makes no sense. Parsing error in line 3.
Crown crates are lootboxes.
Lootboxes are predatory.
Therefor, crown crates = predatory.Contaminate wrote: »Spaceroamer wrote: »Spaceroamer wrote: »Bradyfjord wrote: »I'm done. I can't understand people who can watch companies take advantage of people with actual problems and say 'Durr! Well, it's not illegal YET! So it's fine!'
Just because something is legal does not mean it's not immoral, or evil, or should not be changed.
You people disgust me. Continue to keep your eyes closed and pretend legal = right so you never have to feel bad for anyone that's not you.
Freaking disgusting.
If you said you didn't like loot crates, or felt they were poor game design or something, I might get behind you. But calling it immoral is wrong. You are confusing your moral compass with the law.
The U.S. acted similarly with alcohol. In the U.S., laws (Prohibition) were made to 'protect' people from the evils of alcohol abuse. These laws didn't help at all.
Now every beer, wine, and spirits manufacturer in the U.S. prints warnings on their labels to educate people of their responsibility. Employers offer support for employees with drinking problems so that they can help themselves. Legally, no one is a victim because there is evidence to suggest that some people are predisposed to having this problem whatever the law may be. This is why Prohibition was repealed. Moral laws are not superior to ethical laws.
Educating people of their responsibilities early in life is the way to go. Some things are addictive, and education is what keeps people from feeling like a victim.
Hey! Guess what?
Murder? Immoral and illegal.
Theft? Immoral and illegal!
False Advertising (IE: Lying, for the purpose of making money)? IMMORAL AND ILLEGAL!
But sure; cherry pick the one thing that went bad, for your case.
Sorry but you're wrong on a MORAL level. Being a decent human being means not taking advantage of, and not ALLOWING OTHERS to take advantage of people with problems.
Shrugging and saying 'it's legal' is the coward's way of living.
We need to educate the COMPANIES to stop doing this garbage and crate NEW LAWS as civilization progresses. It's kind of what decent human beings do.
I’m getting lost in this conversation are you talking about predatory lootboxes or Crown Crates because they’re both very very different.
Everyone here is defending Crown Crates, not predatory lootboxes.
It also seems like you’re taking this a bit too emotionally.
Crown crates ARE lootboxes. They work exactly like lootboxes. The only difference is that you buy fake money with real money.
And that's just a trick to sidestep current laws. In every way, crown crates ARE lootboxes.
You buy them
You open them.
You get random crap on a scale from common to ultra uber rare.
The best items have a low drop rate to 'encourage' people to keep trying to get that skin or item they really really want!
So in what way are crown crates NOT lootboxes?
The point I was trying to make is that Crown Crates aren’t predatory.
If you stick your head in sand and ignore all of the research on the subject, then sure you can maintain that delusionSpaceroamer wrote: »Spaceroamer wrote: »Bradyfjord wrote: »I'm done. I can't understand people who can watch companies take advantage of people with actual problems and say 'Durr! Well, it's not illegal YET! So it's fine!'
Just because something is legal does not mean it's not immoral, or evil, or should not be changed.
You people disgust me. Continue to keep your eyes closed and pretend legal = right so you never have to feel bad for anyone that's not you.
Freaking disgusting.
If you said you didn't like loot crates, or felt they were poor game design or something, I might get behind you. But calling it immoral is wrong. You are confusing your moral compass with the law.
The U.S. acted similarly with alcohol. In the U.S., laws (Prohibition) were made to 'protect' people from the evils of alcohol abuse. These laws didn't help at all.
Now every beer, wine, and spirits manufacturer in the U.S. prints warnings on their labels to educate people of their responsibility. Employers offer support for employees with drinking problems so that they can help themselves. Legally, no one is a victim because there is evidence to suggest that some people are predisposed to having this problem whatever the law may be. This is why Prohibition was repealed. Moral laws are not superior to ethical laws.
Educating people of their responsibilities early in life is the way to go. Some things are addictive, and education is what keeps people from feeling like a victim.
Hey! Guess what?
Murder? Immoral and illegal.
Theft? Immoral and illegal!
False Advertising (IE: Lying, for the purpose of making money)? IMMORAL AND ILLEGAL!
But sure; cherry pick the one thing that went bad, for your case.
Sorry but you're wrong on a MORAL level. Being a decent human being means not taking advantage of, and not ALLOWING OTHERS to take advantage of people with problems.
Shrugging and saying 'it's legal' is the coward's way of living.
We need to educate the COMPANIES to stop doing this garbage and crate NEW LAWS as civilization progresses. It's kind of what decent human beings do.
I’m getting lost in this conversation are you talking about predatory lootboxes or Crown Crates because they’re both very very different.
Everyone here is defending Crown Crates, not predatory lootboxes.
It also seems like you’re taking this a bit too emotionally.
Crown crates ARE lootboxes. They work exactly like lootboxes. The only difference is that you buy fake money with real money.
And that's just a trick to sidestep current laws. In every way, crown crates ARE lootboxes.
You buy them
You open them.
You get random crap on a scale from common to ultra uber rare.
The best items have a low drop rate to 'encourage' people to keep trying to get that skin or item they really really want!
So in what way are crown crates NOT lootboxes?
The point I was trying to make is that Crown Crates aren’t predatory.
If lootboxes are predatory.
And crown crates are lootboxes.
Crown crates != predatory
What? That makes no sense. Parsing error in line 3.
Crown crates are lootboxes.
Lootboxes are predatory.
Therefor, crown crates = predatory.
Calling something predatory because less than 3% of the population have an issue with gambling addiction does not qualify it as predatory. Call it gambling, give it an ESRB warning and make the game 18+. It's not predatory simply because people with addictive personalities exist.
The game is already 18+ too. So that’s one step done.1 -
Akisohida✭✭✭✭Spaceroamer wrote: »Spaceroamer wrote: »Bradyfjord wrote: »I'm done. I can't understand people who can watch companies take advantage of people with actual problems and say 'Durr! Well, it's not illegal YET! So it's fine!'
Just because something is legal does not mean it's not immoral, or evil, or should not be changed.
You people disgust me. Continue to keep your eyes closed and pretend legal = right so you never have to feel bad for anyone that's not you.
Freaking disgusting.
If you said you didn't like loot crates, or felt they were poor game design or something, I might get behind you. But calling it immoral is wrong. You are confusing your moral compass with the law.
The U.S. acted similarly with alcohol. In the U.S., laws (Prohibition) were made to 'protect' people from the evils of alcohol abuse. These laws didn't help at all.
Now every beer, wine, and spirits manufacturer in the U.S. prints warnings on their labels to educate people of their responsibility. Employers offer support for employees with drinking problems so that they can help themselves. Legally, no one is a victim because there is evidence to suggest that some people are predisposed to having this problem whatever the law may be. This is why Prohibition was repealed. Moral laws are not superior to ethical laws.
Educating people of their responsibilities early in life is the way to go. Some things are addictive, and education is what keeps people from feeling like a victim.
Hey! Guess what?
Murder? Immoral and illegal.
Theft? Immoral and illegal!
False Advertising (IE: Lying, for the purpose of making money)? IMMORAL AND ILLEGAL!
But sure; cherry pick the one thing that went bad, for your case.
Sorry but you're wrong on a MORAL level. Being a decent human being means not taking advantage of, and not ALLOWING OTHERS to take advantage of people with problems.
Shrugging and saying 'it's legal' is the coward's way of living.
We need to educate the COMPANIES to stop doing this garbage and crate NEW LAWS as civilization progresses. It's kind of what decent human beings do.
I’m getting lost in this conversation are you talking about predatory lootboxes or Crown Crates because they’re both very very different.
Everyone here is defending Crown Crates, not predatory lootboxes.
It also seems like you’re taking this a bit too emotionally.
Crown crates ARE lootboxes. They work exactly like lootboxes. The only difference is that you buy fake money with real money.
And that's just a trick to sidestep current laws. In every way, crown crates ARE lootboxes.
You buy them
You open them.
You get random crap on a scale from common to ultra uber rare.
The best items have a low drop rate to 'encourage' people to keep trying to get that skin or item they really really want!
So in what way are crown crates NOT lootboxes?
The point I was trying to make is that Crown Crates aren’t predatory.
If lootboxes are predatory.
And crown crates are lootboxes.
Crown crates != predatory
What? That makes no sense. Parsing error in line 3.
Crown crates are lootboxes.
Lootboxes are predatory.
Therefor, crown crates = predatory.Contaminate wrote: »Spaceroamer wrote: »Spaceroamer wrote: »Bradyfjord wrote: »I'm done. I can't understand people who can watch companies take advantage of people with actual problems and say 'Durr! Well, it's not illegal YET! So it's fine!'
Just because something is legal does not mean it's not immoral, or evil, or should not be changed.
You people disgust me. Continue to keep your eyes closed and pretend legal = right so you never have to feel bad for anyone that's not you.
Freaking disgusting.
If you said you didn't like loot crates, or felt they were poor game design or something, I might get behind you. But calling it immoral is wrong. You are confusing your moral compass with the law.
The U.S. acted similarly with alcohol. In the U.S., laws (Prohibition) were made to 'protect' people from the evils of alcohol abuse. These laws didn't help at all.
Now every beer, wine, and spirits manufacturer in the U.S. prints warnings on their labels to educate people of their responsibility. Employers offer support for employees with drinking problems so that they can help themselves. Legally, no one is a victim because there is evidence to suggest that some people are predisposed to having this problem whatever the law may be. This is why Prohibition was repealed. Moral laws are not superior to ethical laws.
Educating people of their responsibilities early in life is the way to go. Some things are addictive, and education is what keeps people from feeling like a victim.
Hey! Guess what?
Murder? Immoral and illegal.
Theft? Immoral and illegal!
False Advertising (IE: Lying, for the purpose of making money)? IMMORAL AND ILLEGAL!
But sure; cherry pick the one thing that went bad, for your case.
Sorry but you're wrong on a MORAL level. Being a decent human being means not taking advantage of, and not ALLOWING OTHERS to take advantage of people with problems.
Shrugging and saying 'it's legal' is the coward's way of living.
We need to educate the COMPANIES to stop doing this garbage and crate NEW LAWS as civilization progresses. It's kind of what decent human beings do.
I’m getting lost in this conversation are you talking about predatory lootboxes or Crown Crates because they’re both very very different.
Everyone here is defending Crown Crates, not predatory lootboxes.
It also seems like you’re taking this a bit too emotionally.
Crown crates ARE lootboxes. They work exactly like lootboxes. The only difference is that you buy fake money with real money.
And that's just a trick to sidestep current laws. In every way, crown crates ARE lootboxes.
You buy them
You open them.
You get random crap on a scale from common to ultra uber rare.
The best items have a low drop rate to 'encourage' people to keep trying to get that skin or item they really really want!
So in what way are crown crates NOT lootboxes?
The point I was trying to make is that Crown Crates aren’t predatory.
If you stick your head in sand and ignore all of the research on the subject, then sure you can maintain that delusionSpaceroamer wrote: »Spaceroamer wrote: »Bradyfjord wrote: »I'm done. I can't understand people who can watch companies take advantage of people with actual problems and say 'Durr! Well, it's not illegal YET! So it's fine!'
Just because something is legal does not mean it's not immoral, or evil, or should not be changed.
You people disgust me. Continue to keep your eyes closed and pretend legal = right so you never have to feel bad for anyone that's not you.
Freaking disgusting.
If you said you didn't like loot crates, or felt they were poor game design or something, I might get behind you. But calling it immoral is wrong. You are confusing your moral compass with the law.
The U.S. acted similarly with alcohol. In the U.S., laws (Prohibition) were made to 'protect' people from the evils of alcohol abuse. These laws didn't help at all.
Now every beer, wine, and spirits manufacturer in the U.S. prints warnings on their labels to educate people of their responsibility. Employers offer support for employees with drinking problems so that they can help themselves. Legally, no one is a victim because there is evidence to suggest that some people are predisposed to having this problem whatever the law may be. This is why Prohibition was repealed. Moral laws are not superior to ethical laws.
Educating people of their responsibilities early in life is the way to go. Some things are addictive, and education is what keeps people from feeling like a victim.
Hey! Guess what?
Murder? Immoral and illegal.
Theft? Immoral and illegal!
False Advertising (IE: Lying, for the purpose of making money)? IMMORAL AND ILLEGAL!
But sure; cherry pick the one thing that went bad, for your case.
Sorry but you're wrong on a MORAL level. Being a decent human being means not taking advantage of, and not ALLOWING OTHERS to take advantage of people with problems.
Shrugging and saying 'it's legal' is the coward's way of living.
We need to educate the COMPANIES to stop doing this garbage and crate NEW LAWS as civilization progresses. It's kind of what decent human beings do.
I’m getting lost in this conversation are you talking about predatory lootboxes or Crown Crates because they’re both very very different.
Everyone here is defending Crown Crates, not predatory lootboxes.
It also seems like you’re taking this a bit too emotionally.
Crown crates ARE lootboxes. They work exactly like lootboxes. The only difference is that you buy fake money with real money.
And that's just a trick to sidestep current laws. In every way, crown crates ARE lootboxes.
You buy them
You open them.
You get random crap on a scale from common to ultra uber rare.
The best items have a low drop rate to 'encourage' people to keep trying to get that skin or item they really really want!
So in what way are crown crates NOT lootboxes?
The point I was trying to make is that Crown Crates aren’t predatory.
If lootboxes are predatory.
And crown crates are lootboxes.
Crown crates != predatory
What? That makes no sense. Parsing error in line 3.
Crown crates are lootboxes.
Lootboxes are predatory.
Therefor, crown crates = predatory.
Calling something predatory because less than 3% of the population have an issue with gambling addiction does not qualify it as predatory. Call it gambling, give it an ESRB warning and make the game 18+. It's not predatory simply because people with addictive personalities exist.
It's meant to PREY on people with addictive personalities. Therefor, it's predatory.
Just because you want to us e verbal acrobatics to ignore the problem, does not mean it's not a problem.5 -
Anotherone773✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭This entire argument about crates being predatory is nonsense. It is either people who do not understand how crown crates work( because they never actually researched it or bought any and ASSUMED it was like other games they played) or people who are "havenots" complaining because they cant be the "haves".
Crown crates are not predatory because you can purchase all of the items except 3( current season) with gems. That is about 95% of the items available in this season. 3 mounts cannot be purchased but everything else can be.
Edited by Anotherone773 on January 30, 2020 7:34PM2 -
Kahnak✭✭✭✭✭Spaceroamer wrote: »Spaceroamer wrote: »Bradyfjord wrote: »I'm done. I can't understand people who can watch companies take advantage of people with actual problems and say 'Durr! Well, it's not illegal YET! So it's fine!'
Just because something is legal does not mean it's not immoral, or evil, or should not be changed.
You people disgust me. Continue to keep your eyes closed and pretend legal = right so you never have to feel bad for anyone that's not you.
Freaking disgusting.
If you said you didn't like loot crates, or felt they were poor game design or something, I might get behind you. But calling it immoral is wrong. You are confusing your moral compass with the law.
The U.S. acted similarly with alcohol. In the U.S., laws (Prohibition) were made to 'protect' people from the evils of alcohol abuse. These laws didn't help at all.
Now every beer, wine, and spirits manufacturer in the U.S. prints warnings on their labels to educate people of their responsibility. Employers offer support for employees with drinking problems so that they can help themselves. Legally, no one is a victim because there is evidence to suggest that some people are predisposed to having this problem whatever the law may be. This is why Prohibition was repealed. Moral laws are not superior to ethical laws.
Educating people of their responsibilities early in life is the way to go. Some things are addictive, and education is what keeps people from feeling like a victim.
Hey! Guess what?
Murder? Immoral and illegal.
Theft? Immoral and illegal!
False Advertising (IE: Lying, for the purpose of making money)? IMMORAL AND ILLEGAL!
But sure; cherry pick the one thing that went bad, for your case.
Sorry but you're wrong on a MORAL level. Being a decent human being means not taking advantage of, and not ALLOWING OTHERS to take advantage of people with problems.
Shrugging and saying 'it's legal' is the coward's way of living.
We need to educate the COMPANIES to stop doing this garbage and crate NEW LAWS as civilization progresses. It's kind of what decent human beings do.
I’m getting lost in this conversation are you talking about predatory lootboxes or Crown Crates because they’re both very very different.
Everyone here is defending Crown Crates, not predatory lootboxes.
It also seems like you’re taking this a bit too emotionally.
Crown crates ARE lootboxes. They work exactly like lootboxes. The only difference is that you buy fake money with real money.
And that's just a trick to sidestep current laws. In every way, crown crates ARE lootboxes.
You buy them
You open them.
You get random crap on a scale from common to ultra uber rare.
The best items have a low drop rate to 'encourage' people to keep trying to get that skin or item they really really want!
So in what way are crown crates NOT lootboxes?
The point I was trying to make is that Crown Crates aren’t predatory.
If lootboxes are predatory.
And crown crates are lootboxes.
Crown crates != predatory
What? That makes no sense. Parsing error in line 3.
Crown crates are lootboxes.
Lootboxes are predatory.
Therefor, crown crates = predatory.Contaminate wrote: »Spaceroamer wrote: »Spaceroamer wrote: »Bradyfjord wrote: »I'm done. I can't understand people who can watch companies take advantage of people with actual problems and say 'Durr! Well, it's not illegal YET! So it's fine!'
Just because something is legal does not mean it's not immoral, or evil, or should not be changed.
You people disgust me. Continue to keep your eyes closed and pretend legal = right so you never have to feel bad for anyone that's not you.
Freaking disgusting.
If you said you didn't like loot crates, or felt they were poor game design or something, I might get behind you. But calling it immoral is wrong. You are confusing your moral compass with the law.
The U.S. acted similarly with alcohol. In the U.S., laws (Prohibition) were made to 'protect' people from the evils of alcohol abuse. These laws didn't help at all.
Now every beer, wine, and spirits manufacturer in the U.S. prints warnings on their labels to educate people of their responsibility. Employers offer support for employees with drinking problems so that they can help themselves. Legally, no one is a victim because there is evidence to suggest that some people are predisposed to having this problem whatever the law may be. This is why Prohibition was repealed. Moral laws are not superior to ethical laws.
Educating people of their responsibilities early in life is the way to go. Some things are addictive, and education is what keeps people from feeling like a victim.
Hey! Guess what?
Murder? Immoral and illegal.
Theft? Immoral and illegal!
False Advertising (IE: Lying, for the purpose of making money)? IMMORAL AND ILLEGAL!
But sure; cherry pick the one thing that went bad, for your case.
Sorry but you're wrong on a MORAL level. Being a decent human being means not taking advantage of, and not ALLOWING OTHERS to take advantage of people with problems.
Shrugging and saying 'it's legal' is the coward's way of living.
We need to educate the COMPANIES to stop doing this garbage and crate NEW LAWS as civilization progresses. It's kind of what decent human beings do.
I’m getting lost in this conversation are you talking about predatory lootboxes or Crown Crates because they’re both very very different.
Everyone here is defending Crown Crates, not predatory lootboxes.
It also seems like you’re taking this a bit too emotionally.
Crown crates ARE lootboxes. They work exactly like lootboxes. The only difference is that you buy fake money with real money.
And that's just a trick to sidestep current laws. In every way, crown crates ARE lootboxes.
You buy them
You open them.
You get random crap on a scale from common to ultra uber rare.
The best items have a low drop rate to 'encourage' people to keep trying to get that skin or item they really really want!
So in what way are crown crates NOT lootboxes?
The point I was trying to make is that Crown Crates aren’t predatory.
If you stick your head in sand and ignore all of the research on the subject, then sure you can maintain that delusionSpaceroamer wrote: »Spaceroamer wrote: »Bradyfjord wrote: »I'm done. I can't understand people who can watch companies take advantage of people with actual problems and say 'Durr! Well, it's not illegal YET! So it's fine!'
Just because something is legal does not mean it's not immoral, or evil, or should not be changed.
You people disgust me. Continue to keep your eyes closed and pretend legal = right so you never have to feel bad for anyone that's not you.
Freaking disgusting.
If you said you didn't like loot crates, or felt they were poor game design or something, I might get behind you. But calling it immoral is wrong. You are confusing your moral compass with the law.
The U.S. acted similarly with alcohol. In the U.S., laws (Prohibition) were made to 'protect' people from the evils of alcohol abuse. These laws didn't help at all.
Now every beer, wine, and spirits manufacturer in the U.S. prints warnings on their labels to educate people of their responsibility. Employers offer support for employees with drinking problems so that they can help themselves. Legally, no one is a victim because there is evidence to suggest that some people are predisposed to having this problem whatever the law may be. This is why Prohibition was repealed. Moral laws are not superior to ethical laws.
Educating people of their responsibilities early in life is the way to go. Some things are addictive, and education is what keeps people from feeling like a victim.
Hey! Guess what?
Murder? Immoral and illegal.
Theft? Immoral and illegal!
False Advertising (IE: Lying, for the purpose of making money)? IMMORAL AND ILLEGAL!
But sure; cherry pick the one thing that went bad, for your case.
Sorry but you're wrong on a MORAL level. Being a decent human being means not taking advantage of, and not ALLOWING OTHERS to take advantage of people with problems.
Shrugging and saying 'it's legal' is the coward's way of living.
We need to educate the COMPANIES to stop doing this garbage and crate NEW LAWS as civilization progresses. It's kind of what decent human beings do.
I’m getting lost in this conversation are you talking about predatory lootboxes or Crown Crates because they’re both very very different.
Everyone here is defending Crown Crates, not predatory lootboxes.
It also seems like you’re taking this a bit too emotionally.
Crown crates ARE lootboxes. They work exactly like lootboxes. The only difference is that you buy fake money with real money.
And that's just a trick to sidestep current laws. In every way, crown crates ARE lootboxes.
You buy them
You open them.
You get random crap on a scale from common to ultra uber rare.
The best items have a low drop rate to 'encourage' people to keep trying to get that skin or item they really really want!
So in what way are crown crates NOT lootboxes?
The point I was trying to make is that Crown Crates aren’t predatory.
If lootboxes are predatory.
And crown crates are lootboxes.
Crown crates != predatory
What? That makes no sense. Parsing error in line 3.
Crown crates are lootboxes.
Lootboxes are predatory.
Therefor, crown crates = predatory.
Calling something predatory because less than 3% of the population have an issue with gambling addiction does not qualify it as predatory. Call it gambling, give it an ESRB warning and make the game 18+. It's not predatory simply because people with addictive personalities exist.
It's meant to PREY on people with addictive personalities. Therefor, it's predatory.
Just because you want to us e verbal acrobatics to ignore the problem, does not mean it's not a problem.
It's meant to make money. It's not inherently predatory. I'm not a victim simply because I spent real money on digital products.Tombstone Reads: "Forgot to get good"2 -
Coppes✭✭✭✭I’m honestly thinking right now that people are trying to get Crown Crates removed, not for the people who are addicted, but because they want to directly purchase Crown Crate items. And are using people who addicted to hide behind that reason.7
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