Carespanker wrote: »

"I don't want to get ganked" Then learn to get good and fight back?

"But I have no interest in pvp" Then don't do a pvp event then?

"I will quit if someone makes me pvp omg" No one is making you, this is a pvp event for pvpers. Stop trying to ruin it for pvpers because you cant pvp. That is all you need to understand.

S m h, these pvers....

This thread isn't about PvE players going into PvP areas for the event. It is about the OP wanting to force PvE players doing PvE things in PvE areas through PvP choke points so they can gank bunches of PvE players. As near as I can tell is they claim 1v1 isn't a challenge and/or nobody will play with them. Not really sure which.

Carespanker wrote: »

Alinhbo_Tyaka wrote: »

Carespanker wrote: »

"I don't want to get ganked" Then learn to get good and fight back?

"But I have no interest in pvp" Then don't do a pvp event then?

"I will quit if someone makes me pvp omg" No one is making you, this is a pvp event for pvpers. Stop trying to ruin it for pvpers because you cant pvp. That is all you need to understand.

S m h, these pvers....

This thread isn't about PvE players going into PvP areas for the event. It is about the OP wanting to force PvE players doing PvE things in PvE areas through PvP choke points so they can gank bunches of PvE players. As near as I can tell is they claim 1v1 isn't a challenge and/or nobody will play with them. Not really sure which.

Cyrodiil is not a pve zone.

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you delusional pvers lmao.....

Wow. Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

This is not about Cyrodiil, Imperial city or even the event. This is about making forced PvP choke points in what is traditionally PvE areas (like Auridon). Please re-read the thread carefully.

Would not work that way. The reason that there are PvE players in the first place, and by "PvE players" we all usually mean "people who generally do not PvP", is because they don't like the feel of it. It's not the competition--there are PLENTY of obnoxiously competitive people in PvE, that's why you have elitists. It's not the difficulty--again, there are PLENTY of challenges and struggles to be found in PvE, and people engaged in an arms race against new or changed content, and people engaged in trying to be the best at stuff. The one element that is in PvP that isn't in PvE is the aspect of player domination over other players. In PvE, if you challenge an NPC and get owned over and over, you don't get gloated over by your opponent and you don't have some AI running around stroking itself in front of all its buddies over how it pwned you, and teabagging your corpse. You can choose to go lose against this same challenge over and over until you get better without having that challenge mock you and degrade you. It's just a computer, and you can work at it without having to tolerate it crowing at you and insulting your mother. And for some of us who work jobs where we have to deal with horrible customers, or people who have horrible family members they cannot get away from, or other situations where people are forced into contact with the worst people all the time, their game time is a time to relax and not deal with that.

There is NOTHING that can be done to PvP in this game that will ever remove that advantage. PvE is simply less gross to people who don't like obnoxious humans, because while you may encounter nasty players in PvE, you don't HAVE to. You can PvE with friends and completely bypass the obnoxious aspect entirely. You can group with friends and never be in a toxic pug. You can NOT PvP with friends and do that, you will always encounter some turd of a human who has to make it into something unpleasant. No aspect of PvP excludes that possibility.

So I'm guessing it isn't enough for the OP to just be ganking players trying to earn Midyear/Jubilee boxes from quests in Bruma or Cheydenhal, but they want to be able to block players' progress as well? Probably also one of those jackasses who make it impossible to play nice without risking being stabbed in the back for it.

Like the cowardly s'wit who attacked from behind, from stealth, while I was trying to whisper a player from another alliance lying dead on the ground due to said s'wit's handiwork, in a town you can't even flag. Basically the little piece of scamp *** was going around trying to make life miserable for others. What I get for not dropping a colossus on him while he was busy with another player (of course if I had it probably would have killed them both). Of course the coward knew he had no chance in anything resembling a fair fight, especially against anyone who came prepared to defend themselves (I came fully prepared for PvP, there just didn't seem to be anything going on anywhere so I went off to do some town quests for boxes).

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

It is almost as if the Pure PvP Players do not realize they are the minority, ESO is mainly a PvE game, if you do not want to play PvE then you do not want to play ESO, i go play another game with superior combat mechanics if that is all you want.

BackStabeth wrote: »

LoveForElderScrolls wrote: »

xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »

LoveForElderScrolls wrote: »

People here are saying I made this thread because I'm not good at PvP and want to kill PvE players because they are an easy target. false, it will be much harder for me to do PvP because there will be huge groups of PvE players running around trying to kill one or two PvP players that are also grouped. Then why I want this? It's because I prefer doing something in PvP rather than doing nothing because nobody is there to fight. I prefer the challenge of fighting a massive group of players rather than having no challenge. I'm not looking to kill players that don't know how to PvP, I like the challenge of being outnumbered. I also want the PvP aspects of the game to be enhanced and that's why i call for PvE players to join PvP despite the fact PvE players will outnumber me like nothing I have seen before.

Then upload several videos of your 1 v X prowess. That way we can get a better idea of why you cannot find a good fight.

There are plenty of massive zergs with PvE players running around now for you to 1 v X like you are suggesting. So let’s see your experiment in action.

* and don’t be a bad puppy and use your friends to make said videos

Lol why should I prove my 1vx skills? It's not like PvP is bad right now and if pve players don't join PvP I will not enjoy it. this post is here just to make pvp better possibly and if pve players don't want to pvp that's their choice. Plus I used to care about 1vx a lot in the past but now I make my toon just for when I'm fighting alongside my friends and other people.

Personally, I could care less if you prove or do not prove any skills you may or may not have. In the way you have presented yourself, you have given the rest of us more than enough information to formulate unflattering opinions of you. It just so happens that some people are willing to give you the benefit of doubt, and ask for proof of your prowess before they take your own words to mean how you have expressed them. You should be thanking the people who ask, not laughing at them, they at least are giving you an opportunity to show you are not the person you have presented yourself as being.

I would be interested in reading your answer to this question.

PVE players are not equipped with the gear, with the skills, with point distribution or the experience to effectively engage in PvP. This means you literally are looking to fight weaker players so that you have a massive advantage. Do you understand this?

If I were to judge the type of player you are, based solely on what you have said here, it would not be kind. Is this really the person you wish to present yourself as being?

Maybe that is why they want to PvP those who PvE, because they are so bad that they cannot beat anyone else.

My personal opinion is that they are just simply wanting to PK, or to put it another way, they specifically wish to kill players that are not expecting to be attacked, killed or wanting to engage in PvP. They want to make victims of other people, not to engage in anything that might be considered fair, challenging or actual PvP. The OP is not looking for PvP, they are looking to PK. The scenario that the OP puts forth as their idea is a recipe for PKing, not for PvP.

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

I think a useful question to ask is, why isn't Cyrodiil and the Imperial City enough? Are there not enough PvP opportunities? Or are those opportunities unsatisfactory?
What are the problems with existing CONSENSUAL PvP that people are looking for NON-CONSENSUAL PvP by forcibly involving people who have no interest in it?

And I think part of the answer lies in, for example, the controversy of premade BG teams queuing with non-premades. And zergs accused of "unfair" power combinations. PvP is inherently unsatisfying to many people the way it is now in ESO. Maybe address that first.

While I agree with you on the points you made about PvP in it's current form, I don't agree that this is the reason people are looking for Non-Consensual (I like this phrase) PvP, which I call PKing myself.

If the OP were looking for a way to actually improve PvP, they would never have mentioned PVE players. There are a certain number of people who want to engage in non-consensual player killing and that is what interests me in regards to this post. Why? Why do people want to player kill others who want nothing to do with them? That seems like griefing. Suggestions to make an area so that PVE players are not forced to pass through, but that are in the way of their PVE objective, only make it seem that these same people want to kill other players without their express consent but would be happy to consider them being in these areas as consent anyway to absolve themselves of any guilty feelings. That's how it seems to me, but it still really amounts to some people wanting to player kill non consensually. Why is that so attractive to some people? Why do people want to make others their victims, and not wanting a challenge in fighting others who might beat them?

Roztlin45 wrote: »

NO, sorry you can't enjoy a PVP area without doing PVP. Like saying," I want to loot a dungeon but not deal with mods or boss!".

True, but that is not what the OP described or discussed.
They would like to see new PvP zones implemented in regular PvE zones - zones PvE players must pass to be able to continue the story/quest/PvE content. Perhaps because they wish to farm PvE players, but that is up to speculation.
Anyway, this is what the discussion actually is about.

only way this would work is to be able to toggle if you want to pvp otherwise its a bad idea, the game will have to change its name to ganksville

LoveForElderScrolls wrote: »

One of the reasons that PvE players might not be interested in doing PvP is that they don't find other players at their level that is easy for them to kill. By making PvP areas that other PvE players are there they can find other players at their level. If you make PvP areas that other PvE players have to pass by in order to continue doing PvE you can achieve this.

No CP campaign n under 50 campaign, already exists...

IndorilArwynLlethran wrote: »

Threads like this every PVP event
PVP means Player versus Player, so be ready to meet some hostile people not only hungry flowers when you enter the zone. Would be better is ZOS removed PVP event reward from PVE quests.

I am honestly surprised at how many people jump in here without actually reading any of it, and just assume that because we have a PvP event going on right now, that must be what the thread is about - whiny little PvE players who don't want to deal with potentially being killed by others. It is not, not at all. Please go and read what is actually being discussed here before making such assumptions.

BackStabeth wrote: »

While I agree with you on the points you made about PvP in it's current form, I don't agree that this is the reason people are looking for Non-Consensual (I like this phrase) PvP, which I call PKing myself.

If the OP were looking for a way to actually improve PvP, they would never have mentioned PVE players. There are a certain number of people who want to engage in non-consensual player killing and that is what interests me in regards to this post. Why? Why do people want to player kill others who want nothing to do with them? That seems like griefing. Suggestions to make an area so that PVE players are not forced to pass through, but that are in the way of their PVE objective, only make it seem that these same people want to kill other players without their express consent but would be happy to consider them being in these areas as consent anyway to absolve themselves of any guilty feelings. That's how it seems to me, but it still really amounts to some people wanting to player kill non consensually. Why is that so attractive to some people? Why do people want to make others their victims, and not wanting a challenge in fighting others who might beat them?

It's the same reason why people use very expensive cheats in pure PvP games.
They are either hyper competitive and only the win counts, or they need to validate themselves through any means possible cause they don't get that in their real life. Either way they are not the most pleasant kind to have around except you have a clinical interest in them.
If The Division and the concept of Dark Zone has proven anything, it is that such concepts don't work for the majority of players cause there are always those who can only feel good if they make others suffer.
For me that is an easy choice, i do not want to interact in any way with pvp and any game that forces pvp on me is an instant deinstall.
Just my 2 cents

BackStabeth wrote: »

LoveForElderScrolls wrote: »

xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »

LoveForElderScrolls wrote: »

People here are saying I made this thread because I'm not good at PvP and want to kill PvE players because they are an easy target. false, it will be much harder for me to do PvP because there will be huge groups of PvE players running around trying to kill one or two PvP players that are also grouped. Then why I want this? It's because I prefer doing something in PvP rather than doing nothing because nobody is there to fight. I prefer the challenge of fighting a massive group of players rather than having no challenge. I'm not looking to kill players that don't know how to PvP, I like the challenge of being outnumbered. I also want the PvP aspects of the game to be enhanced and that's why i call for PvE players to join PvP despite the fact PvE players will outnumber me like nothing I have seen before.

Then upload several videos of your 1 v X prowess. That way we can get a better idea of why you cannot find a good fight.

There are plenty of massive zergs with PvE players running around now for you to 1 v X like you are suggesting. So let’s see your experiment in action.

* and don’t be a bad puppy and use your friends to make said videos

Lol why should I prove my 1vx skills? It's not like PvP is bad right now and if pve players don't join PvP I will not enjoy it. this post is here just to make pvp better possibly and if pve players don't want to pvp that's their choice. Plus I used to care about 1vx a lot in the past but now I make my toon just for when I'm fighting alongside my friends and other people.

Personally, I could care less if you prove or do not prove any skills you may or may not have. In the way you have presented yourself, you have given the rest of us more than enough information to formulate unflattering opinions of you. It just so happens that some people are willing to give you the benefit of doubt, and ask for proof of your prowess before they take your own words to mean how you have expressed them. You should be thanking the people who ask, not laughing at them, they at least are giving you an opportunity to show you are not the person you have presented yourself as being.

I would be interested in reading your answer to this question.

PVE players are not equipped with the gear, with the skills, with point distribution or the experience to effectively engage in PvP. This means you literally are looking to fight weaker players so that you have a massive advantage. Do you understand this?

If I were to judge the type of player you are, based solely on what you have said here, it would not be kind. Is this really the person you wish to present yourself as being?

If I'm laughing and writing "lol" it's a positive expression that doesn't mean I don't like the person who made me laugh. If PvE players are together in a group or they are fighting other PvE players it doesn't matter if they are not equipped with gear or have the skills. This thread I posted is an idea. I'm not a developer and can't spend all day thinking about making a perfect idea but ideas can be perfected by other people and the developers. For example, when I said if PvE players can kill other PvE players at their level they might like PvP someone else wrote I don't like killing players that much and even if I'm good at PvP it doesn't appeal to me, someone else can suggest to include some other activities in PvP that don't involve killing players but still can be considered PvP.

BackStabeth wrote: »

LoveForElderScrolls wrote: »

BackStabeth wrote: »

LoveForElderScrolls wrote: »

xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »

LoveForElderScrolls wrote: »

People here are saying I made this thread because I'm not good at PvP and want to kill PvE players because they are an easy target. false, it will be much harder for me to do PvP because there will be huge groups of PvE players running around trying to kill one or two PvP players that are also grouped. Then why I want this? It's because I prefer doing something in PvP rather than doing nothing because nobody is there to fight. I prefer the challenge of fighting a massive group of players rather than having no challenge. I'm not looking to kill players that don't know how to PvP, I like the challenge of being outnumbered. I also want the PvP aspects of the game to be enhanced and that's why i call for PvE players to join PvP despite the fact PvE players will outnumber me like nothing I have seen before.

Then upload several videos of your 1 v X prowess. That way we can get a better idea of why you cannot find a good fight.

There are plenty of massive zergs with PvE players running around now for you to 1 v X like you are suggesting. So let’s see your experiment in action.

* and don’t be a bad puppy and use your friends to make said videos

Lol why should I prove my 1vx skills? It's not like PvP is bad right now and if pve players don't join PvP I will not enjoy it. this post is here just to make pvp better possibly and if pve players don't want to pvp that's their choice. Plus I used to care about 1vx a lot in the past but now I make my toon just for when I'm fighting alongside my friends and other people.

Personally, I could care less if you prove or do not prove any skills you may or may not have. In the way you have presented yourself, you have given the rest of us more than enough information to formulate unflattering opinions of you. It just so happens that some people are willing to give you the benefit of doubt, and ask for proof of your prowess before they take your own words to mean how you have expressed them. You should be thanking the people who ask, not laughing at them, they at least are giving you an opportunity to show you are not the person you have presented yourself as being.

I would be interested in reading your answer to this question.

PVE players are not equipped with the gear, with the skills, with point distribution or the experience to effectively engage in PvP. This means you literally are looking to fight weaker players so that you have a massive advantage. Do you understand this?

If I were to judge the type of player you are, based solely on what you have said here, it would not be kind. Is this really the person you wish to present yourself as being?

If I'm laughing and writing "lol" it's a positive expression that doesn't mean I don't like the person who made me laugh. If PvE players are together in a group or they are fighting other PvE players it doesn't matter if they are not equipped with gear or have the skills. This thread I posted is an idea. I'm not a developer and can't spend all day thinking about making a perfect idea but ideas can be perfected by other people and the developers. For example, when I said if PvE players can kill other PvE players at their level they might like PvP someone else wrote I don't like killing players that much and even if I'm good at PvP it doesn't appeal to me, someone else can suggest to include some other activities in PvP that don't involve killing players but still can be considered PvP.

I'm pretty sure you have entirely missed the meaning of every comment that has given good reason why your suggestion is bad. PvP literally means player versus player, if a PVE player is fighting another PVE player that is not PVE and they are not PVE players, that is PvP.

If a PvP player is fighting a PVE player that does not wish to fight other players, that is not PvP that is PK, Player Killing, that is a PKer who is engaging in a none consensual fight. That really just amounts to griefing, or trolling, or toxic behavior.

You have presented yourself as a person who is looking for easy victims, not as someone who is thoughtfully engaged in improving the game for the majority of people, not even for the minority of people. I get the feeling most people engaged in PvP have no desire to Player Kill, to engage PVE players. I get the feeling they are mostly, more interested in a fair fight. What you suggest, not fair at all, not in any way or form.

You don't get it. If pve players are playing in a pvp zone and the majority of the players that they are fighting them are pve players like themselves then it's a fair fight. now there are some small pvp players that are good it doesn't matter anymore.

LoveForElderScrolls wrote: »

BackStabeth wrote: »

LoveForElderScrolls wrote: »

BackStabeth wrote: »

LoveForElderScrolls wrote: »

xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »

LoveForElderScrolls wrote: »

People here are saying I made this thread because I'm not good at PvP and want to kill PvE players because they are an easy target. false, it will be much harder for me to do PvP because there will be huge groups of PvE players running around trying to kill one or two PvP players that are also grouped. Then why I want this? It's because I prefer doing something in PvP rather than doing nothing because nobody is there to fight. I prefer the challenge of fighting a massive group of players rather than having no challenge. I'm not looking to kill players that don't know how to PvP, I like the challenge of being outnumbered. I also want the PvP aspects of the game to be enhanced and that's why i call for PvE players to join PvP despite the fact PvE players will outnumber me like nothing I have seen before.

Then upload several videos of your 1 v X prowess. That way we can get a better idea of why you cannot find a good fight.

There are plenty of massive zergs with PvE players running around now for you to 1 v X like you are suggesting. So let’s see your experiment in action.

* and don’t be a bad puppy and use your friends to make said videos

Lol why should I prove my 1vx skills? It's not like PvP is bad right now and if pve players don't join PvP I will not enjoy it. this post is here just to make pvp better possibly and if pve players don't want to pvp that's their choice. Plus I used to care about 1vx a lot in the past but now I make my toon just for when I'm fighting alongside my friends and other people.

Personally, I could care less if you prove or do not prove any skills you may or may not have. In the way you have presented yourself, you have given the rest of us more than enough information to formulate unflattering opinions of you. It just so happens that some people are willing to give you the benefit of doubt, and ask for proof of your prowess before they take your own words to mean how you have expressed them. You should be thanking the people who ask, not laughing at them, they at least are giving you an opportunity to show you are not the person you have presented yourself as being.

I would be interested in reading your answer to this question.

PVE players are not equipped with the gear, with the skills, with point distribution or the experience to effectively engage in PvP. This means you literally are looking to fight weaker players so that you have a massive advantage. Do you understand this?

If I were to judge the type of player you are, based solely on what you have said here, it would not be kind. Is this really the person you wish to present yourself as being?

If I'm laughing and writing "lol" it's a positive expression that doesn't mean I don't like the person who made me laugh. If PvE players are together in a group or they are fighting other PvE players it doesn't matter if they are not equipped with gear or have the skills. This thread I posted is an idea. I'm not a developer and can't spend all day thinking about making a perfect idea but ideas can be perfected by other people and the developers. For example, when I said if PvE players can kill other PvE players at their level they might like PvP someone else wrote I don't like killing players that much and even if I'm good at PvP it doesn't appeal to me, someone else can suggest to include some other activities in PvP that don't involve killing players but still can be considered PvP.

I'm pretty sure you have entirely missed the meaning of every comment that has given good reason why your suggestion is bad. PvP literally means player versus player, if a PVE player is fighting another PVE player that is not PVE and they are not PVE players, that is PvP.

If a PvP player is fighting a PVE player that does not wish to fight other players, that is not PvP that is PK, Player Killing, that is a PKer who is engaging in a none consensual fight. That really just amounts to griefing, or trolling, or toxic behavior.

You have presented yourself as a person who is looking for easy victims, not as someone who is thoughtfully engaged in improving the game for the majority of people, not even for the minority of people. I get the feeling most people engaged in PvP have no desire to Player Kill, to engage PVE players. I get the feeling they are mostly, more interested in a fair fight. What you suggest, not fair at all, not in any way or form.

You don't get it. If pve players are playing in a pvp zone and the majority of the players that they are fighting them are pve players like themselves then it's a fair fight. now there are some small pvp players that are good it doesn't matter anymore.

No, you don't get it, if a PVE player is actively engaged in fighting another player, willingly, they are not a PVE player they are a PvP player. You are mix and matching meanings to justify previous statements and that isn't going to work here.

PVE plays don't fight PVE players, PvP players fight PvP players. When a PvP player fights a non willing, non consensual PVE player, that is not a PvP player that is a PK player, a player killer in other words who is engaging in non consensual murder of another player.

As well, PVE players would never be evenly matched, not unless they were all maxed out. What you seem to totally miss in suggesting PVE players could fight PVE players is that we already have exactly that, except it's PvP players fighting PvP players. Get it? It already exists.

The other thing you just seem to not understand, is that PVE players do not want to fight anyone, that's why they call themselves PVE players, they are not looking for, nor do the want to engage in fights with other players. Do you understand that? If they did, they would be PvP players not PVE players.

The other thing you seem to miss, totally, is that PVE players not wanting to engage in a fight with PvP players, or other PVE players would avoid PvP areas, you suggest FORCING them through these areas to complete PVE content, what you are really saying is "lets find the fastest most efficient way to totally destroy the player population of ESO" because that's exactly what would happen. It will be all sticks, twigs and crickets.

No.