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To stadia or not to stadia for ESO?
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MJallday✭✭✭✭✭
✭i actually cant wait for it to happen. we as users might not have a voice when it comes to things not being availble/slow ping - wait until google start shouting at zos
things might actually start to happen....
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anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Exactly, i prefer physical disks as well. No one really realizes that Microsoft, Sony etc can revoke your digital licenses without cause at any time, so in the end you wasted all that money buying them.
I get your point, yet your physical disk can get damaged, broken, burnt, drowned or simply lost. I understand that in this case it would be YOUR fault and not some company's negligence or bad will, which is psychologically more acceptable, however, considering things objectively, are the chances of the company withdrawing your license for whatever reasons higher than your chances of damaging your disk ? I doubt that...
I mean, all my game cases sit in a shelf above my desk. I won't lose em, I don't mishandle them, and the chances of Microsoft revoking my digital licenses are probably the same if not more likely than my Apartment burning down.
then it's not a valid argument for you, but it may just as well be a valid argument for many people... I know quite a few gamers with a bunch of disks laying open on the floor with the cat rolled up onto them in the middle of pizza boxes :-)i actually cant wait for it to happen. we as users might not have a voice when it comes to things not being availble/slow ping - wait until google start shouting at zos things might actually start to happen....
I can't resist bumping this thread two months or so later... looks, unfortunately, that ping issues are even more prevalent with Stadia than with ZOS.. :-(
Anyone has tried ESO on Stadia and can share their experience ?
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Lady_Linux✭✭✭✭✭bumping threads is a violation of TOS
Clearly, this far into it, the clear answer is not to stadia...Edited by Lady_Linux on January 11, 2020 3:53PMI simply must protest. There are no Penguin avatars for me to use in the forums.
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anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lady_Linux wrote: »bumping threads is a violation of TOS
Except that in this case :
1/ I didn't bump it with a simple "bump"
2/ it makes sense to bump it since concrete experience can be added to it now.Lady_Linux wrote: »bumping threads is a violation of TOS
Clearly, this far into it, the clear answer is not to stadia...
Care to elaborate ?
Have you tried ?
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »Lady_Linux wrote: »
@Lady_Linux
The link below is an interview with Matt Firor. The person who is the president of Zos. He states there will be cross play between Stadia and PC/Mac servers though he does state he is not sure if there will be cross-progression.
https://twinfinite.net/2019/08/elder-scrolls-online-stadia-switch/
I do not see that interview saying if someone needs to buy the game again if they already own it on PC/Mac. However, since it does say there is not cross-progression at the time of the interview it would seem to indicate the accounts would be different so I would not be surprised if a new game needs to be purchased to play it ion Stadia. What happens with Nvidia is not really relevant.
If you can't carry your progress over than Stadia is pretty obsolete already by Shadow Ghost, which does alloy you to progress on your PC games you already own.
Stadia still don't look worth it too me. True it's cheaper. But you what they say about "You get what you pay for" right.
Actually why not try out Nivida GeForce Now Beta?
https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/products/geforce-now/
Which in my Opinion already dwarfs Stadia for free atm. (Provided you can get into the BETA.)
Just stay Stadia is the cloud based equalvant of a console compared to Nividia GeForce Now, and Shadow products. Why pay for a downgrade, and to have to rebuy all your games?
I was just providing the information that is out there. I could care less about the rest. Not sure why you quoted me in this reply as most of what you had to say was not relevant to it.0 -
Siohwenoeht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Exactly, i prefer physical disks as well. No one really realizes that Microsoft, Sony etc can revoke your digital licenses without cause at any time, so in the end you wasted all that money buying them.
I get your point, yet your physical disk can get damaged, broken, burnt, drowned or simply lost. I understand that in this case it would be YOUR fault and not some company's negligence or bad will, which is psychologically more acceptable, however, considering things objectively, are the chances of the company withdrawing your license for whatever reasons higher than your chances of damaging your disk ? I doubt that...
I mean, all my game cases sit in a shelf above my desk. I won't lose em, I don't mishandle them, and the chances of Microsoft revoking my digital licenses are probably the same if not more likely than my Apartment burning down.
then it's not a valid argument for you, but it may just as well be a valid argument for many people... I know quite a few gamers with a bunch of disks laying open on the floor with the cat rolled up onto them in the middle of pizza boxes :-)i actually cant wait for it to happen. we as users might not have a voice when it comes to things not being availble/slow ping - wait until google start shouting at zos things might actually start to happen....
I can't resist bumping this thread two months or so later... looks, unfortunately, that ping issues are even more prevalent with Stadia than with ZOS.. :-(
Anyone has tried ESO on Stadia and can share their experience ?
I don't think ESO has been released on stadia yet. But anything that adds a step for connection will increase ping. In the case of ESO, we don't even know how the chain will look.
At the very least, it may look like:
Player>stadia>Akamai>ESO server
"It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard1 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
How can they? Zos has not even announced a date ESO will be available on Stadia as the best time frame is sometime this year.
Heck, we do not even have answers to the most basic question, will our PC/Mac characters be available if we play on Stadia as Zos has specifically said they have not made a decision about cross save indicating that the accounts could be different.1 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
How can they? Zos has not even announced a date ESO will be available on Stadia as the best time frame is sometime this year.
Heck, we do not even have answers to the most basic question, will our PC/Mac characters be available if we play on Stadia as Zos has specifically said they have not made a decision about cross save indicating that the accounts could be different.
Sorry, I thought ESO was available on Stadia at launch or shortly after. I was probably wrong.
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
How can they? Zos has not even announced a date ESO will be available on Stadia as the best time frame is sometime this year.
Heck, we do not even have answers to the most basic question, will our PC/Mac characters be available if we play on Stadia as Zos has specifically said they have not made a decision about cross save indicating that the accounts could be different.
Sorry, I thought ESO was available on Stadia at launch or shortly after. I was probably wrong.
Yes, you are incorrect and that information has been in these forums as a Scadia thread does come up from time to time. It is readily accessible via Google or any search engine as well.
I find it odd you did not know since you mentioned in this very thread back in November that ESO would not be on Stadia until January at the earliest. Note not January for sure but at the earliest. But it is as it is.0 -
Fermian✭✭✭I was positive about it first. Playing on console now, a performance update would be nice. But the next gen Xbox is also coming...1 -
Lady_Linux✭✭✭✭✭Reports are the controller spins wildly out of control when used without a wired connection... deal breaker for sure...
I figured if i bought the stadia and the thing tanked i would still have a chromecast ultimate and a wireless controller to use for all my gaming but as it turns out their controller only works with other machines if it's wired. I have 7 cats and no patience for any wirted controller. So it's a no to the stadia...I simply must protest. There are no Penguin avatars for me to use in the forums.
BTW, I use arch too1 -
Unseelie✭✭✭✭Stadia as of now is total garbage and has failed to deliver on pre-release promises. I am all for having ESO on as many platforms as possible but would rather not have the dev team split working on Stadia.1 -
wolf486✭✭✭✭Stadia was DOA and being a google product they will pull the plug, success or not.PC/NAMoved onto BDO and GW2 Skyrim, ATS/ETS2, ACNH and the overall goodness of single player games
RIP to the following:
(DC) Tharbûrz gro-Glumgrog - Orsimer -Stamden (lvl 50)
(AD) Vukz - Bosmer - Stamblade (lvl 50)0 -
exeeter702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
How can they? Zos has not even announced a date ESO will be available on Stadia as the best time frame is sometime this year.
Heck, we do not even have answers to the most basic question, will our PC/Mac characters be available if we play on Stadia as Zos has specifically said they have not made a decision about cross save indicating that the accounts could be different.
Sorry, I thought ESO was available on Stadia at launch or shortly after. I was probably wrong.
With all due respect, it seems to me you haven't really done your homework on stadia and it's current status.
Spend any amount of time online reading hands on feedback and following the various points leading up to its launch and you will have your answer.
Spoiler: stadia is a pile of ***.0 -
Bradyfjord✭✭✭✭✭Cut out the middle person when you can. Platforms like Steam and Stadia need to bring something that you can't get otherwise.
I love Steam for their support (however weak) of indie games. I wouldn't have heard of many titles without that kind of platform. You don't need Stadia for ESO.
That's my 2 copper.0 -
Unseelie✭✭✭✭Bradyfjord wrote: »Cut out the middle person when you can. Platforms like Steam and Stadia need to bring something that you can't get otherwise.
I love Steam for their support (however weak) of indie games. I wouldn't have heard of many titles without that kind of platform. You don't need Stadia for ESO.
That's my 2 copper.
I do not think they need any other platforms to support and to have to tune for. It will be enough moving the client forward to PS5 and NeXtBox platforms while continuing tweaking the PC platform. I am hoping that with the new hardware and moving away from older platforms that it will help in the long run and we can get QoL upgrades.1 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭exeeter702 wrote: »
With all due respect, it seems to me you haven't really done your homework on stadia and it's current status.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Anyone has tried ESO on Stadia and can share their experience ?
I wasn't aware there was "homework" to do before posting in these forums.
As of today, ESO is listed among the games available on Stadia. There's no way to know it's not available yet without extensive research which I have no time and no will to do.exeeter702 wrote: »Spend any amount of time online reading hands on feedback and following the various points leading up to its launch and you will have your answer.
How will I know from anyone how ESO works on Stadia if it's not available yet... ?exeeter702 wrote: »Spoiler: stadia is a pile of ***.
How do you know if you haven't tried ?
Simply believing and repeating what you've been reading here and there ? That's what you call "homework" ?
If we were to believe what people write all over the place, including this one, ESO would have been declared a pile of s**t in 2012 and would have died before launch.
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anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I find it odd you did not know since you mentioned in this very thread back in November that ESO would not be on Stadia until January at the earliest. Note not January for sure but at the earliest. But it is as it is.
That's what I had kept in mind : January. And we are like... in January, aren't we ?
I already said I was sorry for my mistake, what more do you want ?
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Lady_Linux✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »I find it odd you did not know since you mentioned in this very thread back in November that ESO would not be on Stadia until January at the earliest. Note not January for sure but at the earliest. But it is as it is.
That's what I had kept in mind : January. And we are like... in January, aren't we ?
I already said I was sorry for my mistake, what more do you want ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBmCJEehYtU I simply must protest. There are no Penguin avatars for me to use in the forums.
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exeeter702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »exeeter702 wrote: »
With all due respect, it seems to me you haven't really done your homework on stadia and it's current status.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Anyone has tried ESO on Stadia and can share their experience ?
I wasn't aware there was "homework" to do before posting in these forums.
As of today, ESO is listed among the games available on Stadia. There's no way to know it's not available yet without extensive research which I have no time and no will to do.exeeter702 wrote: »Spend any amount of time online reading hands on feedback and following the various points leading up to its launch and you will have your answer.
How will I know from anyone how ESO works on Stadia if it's not available yet... ?exeeter702 wrote: »Spoiler: stadia is a pile of ***.
How do you know if you haven't tried ?
Simply believing and repeating what you've been reading here and there ? That's what you call "homework" ?
If we were to believe what people write all over the place, including this one, ESO would have been declared a pile of s**t in 2012 and would have died before launch.
Do you understand at all how exactly stadia has performed at a technical level since google had the audacity to charge money to consumers for it?
When I say homework I'm telling you it would probably be prudent of you to read up about how much of a dumpster fire googles platform is before asking people whether or not a game that is purely online is going to be worth it, when said game hasnt even launched yet, on said games forums. The answer to your question has been answered well beyond these forums all over the tech centered websites.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭exeeter702 wrote: »The answer to your question has been answered well beyond these forums all over the tech centered websites.
Nope. It can't.
My question is "has anyone tried ESO on Stadia ? How is it ? "
The answer is "We cannot answer since ESO is not yet available on Stadia as of now".
I understand that it was a (my) mistake to assume that ESO was already available on Stadia.
Any other opinion on how Stadia is for other games, and what users generally think of it, especially on "tech-centered websites" (what does it have to do with it, since I'm asking for user-feedback), is not relevant and does not interest me. Tech-centered people - not unlike players - love to bash anything and everything just mimicking each other.
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✭✭This game struggles on a I9 9900 cpu, i dont even wanna know what kind of performance there is on a handheld.0 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Lady_Linux wrote: »They are using their servers for the clients, you just "deport" your client.
They'll probably play on the same megaserver than us, and will (at first) be barred from using mods.
I don't think it's worth it, as for now.
I might test stadia for single player games, though.
I think they must be using their own megaservers as well, otherwise you wouldnt need to buy the game over again if they were just using eu and na servers
No, no, no.
You are buying access to the client on Stadia. That would also include receiving a new account with a game key associated with it. You can choose to not use the new account and instead log into your pre-Stadia PC account.
Look at Steam. You can buy the game directly from ZOS. You can also buy a Steam client. Both connect to the same megaservers. I have bought the game from both and currently use the Steam executable to play my non-Steam main account so that I don't have to maintain two local installs. All I have to do is run the .exe and enter my account credentials.
The reason you have to buy the game again is that Stadia needs to make money. One of their sources of revenue is getting you to buy access to individual titles they support on their platform.
My main reason for having no interest in Stadia is that once you start spending on a platform like that, it is hard to leave the platform since you would leave your games behind. Can you even bring your saved game files with you? So if their service is horrible, it becomes hard to leave it for a better service. At least Steam doesn't require additional payments for me to access my games.0 -
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✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »thesoundofwolf wrote: »I feel like I should own my games, incase anything were to ever happen.
Even the digital licensing, sometimes I face issues.
Valid point... for offline games. Yet you're playing ESO... for which, whether you bought a physical copy or not, whether you use a local or a remote computer service, youu're still depending 100% on ZOS servers, and the minute ZOS plugs off the servers, your game is unplayable.
This argument is not relevant in the case on ESO via Stadia.
In order to say the argument isn't relevant, you have to know for a fact that buying ESO on Stadia doesn't make Stadia a necessary dependency of playing ESO. If I decide to ditch Stadia because I feel it isn't worth it, do I take my ESO credentials with me? Or are they stuck in Stadia, like with ESO on Steam?0 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »In order to say the argument isn't relevant, you have to know for a fact that buying ESO on Stadia doesn't make Stadia a necessary dependency of playing ESO. If I decide to ditch Stadia because I feel it isn't worth it, do I take my ESO credentials with me? Or are they stuck in Stadia, like with ESO on Steam?
Like with ESO on Steam... ?
I bought my ESO on Steam but I'm not stuck with Steam... in fact, I can reformat my PC, install ESO from ESO servers, enter my ESO credentials and not install Steam at all, and play all I want... I don't think ESO is Steam-dependent, even for those who bought the game on Steam. I believe (though could be wrong) that Steam could be shut down tonight and ESO-players who bought their game on Steam could still play.
The issue here was a general mistrust of digital games, vs. physical games, which isn't relevant when it comes to a cloud-based / server-based game like ESO.
You're right however to ask wether a Stadia-copy of ESO would be playable outside of Stadia. Good point.
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Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »In order to say the argument isn't relevant, you have to know for a fact that buying ESO on Stadia doesn't make Stadia a necessary dependency of playing ESO. If I decide to ditch Stadia because I feel it isn't worth it, do I take my ESO credentials with me? Or are they stuck in Stadia, like with ESO on Steam?
Like with ESO on Steam... ?
I bought my ESO on Steam but I'm not stuck with Steam... in fact, I can reformat my PC, install ESO from ESO servers, enter my ESO credentials and not install Steam at all, and play all I want... I don't think ESO is Steam-dependent, even for those who bought the game on Steam. I believe (though could be wrong) that Steam could be shut down tonight and ESO-players who bought their game on Steam could still play.
The issue here was a general mistrust of digital games, vs. physical games, which isn't relevant when it comes to a cloud-based / server-based game like ESO.
You're right however to ask wether a Stadia-copy of ESO would be playable outside of Stadia. Good point.
You are wrong. If you buy ESO on Steam today you will not be able to play without Steam. It used to be possible to simply download non-Steam client and use your normal login/password to log through that but since a certain point (was it autumn 2017 or 2018? Can't recall exactly.) the system was changed. All Steam ESO accounts created after this cut off date are not compatible with non-Steam client and will tell you that you have to use Steam version of the game if you try to log in through them.
Mistrust of digital is one thing. And yes, it does not relly apply to MMOs since one day the servers are going to be turned off anyway. But with Stadia you are adding another step that is subject to the same risk. One day Stadia can be shut off (not unheard of from Google to bite the bullet, take the loss and kill off an unsuccessful project) and all your Stadia games will be stuck in limbo. And I'm pretty ceratin Stadia's user agreement is written in such a way that you wouldn't be entitled to any kind of compensation in such event.
With Stadia you are not only risking your games going *poof* one day. You are also risking your whole system going *poof* as well.
And since Stadia positions themselves as a console , I don't think Stadia version of ESO will be playable outside of Stadia.1 -
MEBengalsFan2001✭✭✭✭✭Lady_Linux wrote: »Spending 200$ o a premiere edition and an extra controller seems steep just to try it. Esp since i'll have to buy ESO over again. BUT they are supposed to be using their own servers.
Kinda kills the need for things like steam and epic and other online services.
What say you?
If you want to use a controller and stay on steam get the Nvidia shield.0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »I find it odd you did not know since you mentioned in this very thread back in November that ESO would not be on Stadia until January at the earliest. Note not January for sure but at the earliest. But it is as it is.
That's what I had kept in mind : January. And we are like... in January, aren't we ?
I already said I was sorry for my mistake, what more do you want ?
Seriously? You said January at the earliest which means you were aware that January was questionable.
No, I do not want anything from you. I was just pointing you that you act like you have knowledge yet you get on the case of others over petty differences. Case in point your reply to ArchMikem.
Just looking at this page alone it is more you arguing about peoples comments than attempting to seek answers. Chill out and maybe google ESO on Stadia. Filtering for the past month helps get the more recent and possibly more relevant information.1
